General Elections 2014 : RESULTS thread

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Postby member_22539 » 26 May 2014 08:44

^He might not have independent standing, but he also is privy to big secrets, which is evident by the way he got his wife killed and nothing happened to him. On top of all that, he got them to have him reelected.

So, he is not gonna sink like those boot-lickers buzzing around the gandhi family.

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Postby Vikas » 26 May 2014 12:18

Is Tarar babe now going to move in with ST as he is widower and no longer a minster anymore ?

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Postby merlin » 26 May 2014 12:59

VikasRaina wrote:Is Tarar babe now going to move in with ST as he is widower and no longer a minster anymore ?


Well... Congress is not in power...

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Postby SwamyG » 27 May 2014 06:29

UP was won with the help of 1.75lakhs RSS volunteers.
http://5forty3.in/2014/05/welcome-to-th ... hindustan/

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Postby Kakkaji » 27 May 2014 06:34

SwamyG wrote:UP was won with the help of 1.75lakhs RSS volunteers.
http://5forty3.in/2014/05/welcome-to-th ... hindustan/


And our own niranji was one of them. 8)

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Postby Muppalla » 27 May 2014 06:54

manju wrote:http://www.thestatesman.net/news/56565- ... s-tdp.html
Hyderabad, 25 May

YSR Cong MP joins TDP

YSR Congress MP Mr SPY Reddy today joined the TDP dealing a body blow to the party, which is yet to recover from its shock defeat in the Andhra Pradesh elections.



Kakkaji wrote:Does this not invite disqualification under the anti-defection law? :-?


suryag wrote:
This is apparently the reason
Senior TDP MLA Yanamala Ramakrishnudu too made it clear that YSRCP can't impose a whip as it is just registered party but not recognised political party. This is said to be opening doors for many more leaders to join the legion. Looks like, Jagan is going to bore the brunt of his leaders. - See more at: http://www.gulte.com/news/27292/30-YSRC ... rpCG8.dpuf



Two days ago it was Nandyal MP. Today it will be Kurnool MP. YSR is down by two and TDP reached 19 :). Larger than Shiv Sena in NDA.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 27 May 2014 11:27

Gus wrote:so, he does not have any standing to question this arrangement.

Exactly. So his whining that "even I was was not allowed blah blah" sounds totally self-serving. May be the guy is smelling blood in the water is thinking of making a run for the top dog position in the party which would be an overreach for this philandering midget even going by cong(I) leadership standards. We want congi to be under Sonia leadership for one more election cycle at least so that no decent congi would touch NG dynasty with a barge pole.

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Postby pankajs » 27 May 2014 20:11

Mehran Zaidi ‏@mehranzaidi 37m

All 4 crore Shias Muslims in India have voted heavily for BJP says Maulana Kalbe Jawaad

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Postby Rahul M » 27 May 2014 20:17

meanwhile major clash b/w TMC BJP supporters in sandeshkhali area of sunderban. around 20 people injured with desi bombs and bullets.

bjp continues to attract large number of leaders and workers from other parties, this time from TMC. they gained another panchayat.

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Postby SaiK » 27 May 2014 20:26

Anyone thinks BJP did not make an impact on KL is wrong!
Of course not significant enough.. the chief warlord fighting was between kangrez and commies.

these are the places bjp made a huge impact in terms of vote share:
kasargod
kozhikode
palakkad
pathanamthitta
TVM [significant]
Thirussur

mallapuram - hard core muslim league

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Postby devesh » 27 May 2014 20:43

It is amazing to me that even Bengal, KL, and TN are getting a saffron toehold while T and SA remain firmly with regional parties: TDP, YCP, TRS. I hope 2019 will be different.

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Postby Sridhar K » 27 May 2014 21:08

There are quite a few posters of Modi's swearing in our area in Chennai which hardly had an BJP presence. Some of the posters were torn as well due to the Rajapakse invite as well.

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Postby ShyamSP » 27 May 2014 21:20

devesh wrote:It is amazing to me that even Bengal, KL, and TN are getting a saffron toehold while T and SA remain firmly with regional parties: TDP, YCP, TRS. I hope 2019 will be different.


I know you wish contrary to what is reality and lay out some unrealistic political map for Telugu states.

Incidentally I just finished 3 hour discussion with a political leader that confirms some of my off lines analysis.

TDP is less likely to die. Best bet for BJP is to work with TDP to break and collapse YCP and TRS.

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Postby Shanmukh » 27 May 2014 22:10

SaiK wrote:Anyone thinks BJP did not make an impact on KL is wrong!
Of course not significant enough.. the chief warlord fighting was between kangrez and commies.

these are the places bjp made a huge impact in terms of vote share:
kasargod
kozhikode
palakkad
pathanamthitta
TVM [significant]
Thirussur

mallapuram - hard core muslim league


Actually, compared to 2004 (BJP's best performance in KL), the difference has not been huge this time. Except in Kasargod and Thiruvananthapuram, the rise of BJP vote has been fairly small, and in Palakkad, compared to 2004, the BJP actually lost votes (from 147K to 136K). In 2004, the BJP got 10.4% of the total vote, contesting 19/20 seats in KL. In 2014, the BJP won 10.4% of the vote contesting 18/20 seats. So, the rise of the BJP vote, if anything has been fairly marginal.

Both Ponnani and Malappuram are hardcore IUML seats, and the party has considerable influence in Kozhikode, Kasargod and Palakkad too. The Left will have to die before the BJP rises in Kerala. As of now, the Left holds the Hindu vote.

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Postby Rahul M » 27 May 2014 22:13

^^ those stats might be explained by change in religious demographics ?

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Postby Shanmukh » 27 May 2014 22:18

devesh wrote:It is amazing to me that even Bengal, KL, and TN are getting a saffron toehold while T and SA remain firmly with regional parties: TDP, YCP, TRS. I hope 2019 will be different.


KL is still a distant dream for the BJP. TN and WB are real growth areas. TN has a capable party president, so I will be interested in seeing how he consolidates his influence in south TN. TN also has a huge floating vote (this is mainly the vote of the national parties and it has been hovering between the AIADMK and the DMK, based on circumstances). If BJP can get the bulk of the national vote, it will have about 10-15% of the vote on its own. From there to the state Assembly will be the job of the state unit.

In T, the BJP can rise if the INC or the TRS die. In both T, and SA, the current election was a very emotional one, so I would not take these results as reflective of anything except the sentiment on which it was fought. In T, I want to see how the TDP develops. Given the political considerations involved between SA and T in TDP, it will be interesting to see CBN manage the growth of his party in another state.

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Postby Shanmukh » 27 May 2014 22:26

Rahul M wrote:^^ those stats might be explained by change in religious demographics ?


If demographic changes were responsible, the changes should have been pronounced in Malabar where the Hindu population is shrinking rapidly (roughly 2-3% loss in percentage terms in every district every decade). Except in Palakkad, the BJP vote (absolute vote) actually rose, so I am not sure if demographic changes can explain much. In all honesty, I don't think the BJP has yet made a dent in the votebanks of either the Left or the Congress (BJP can take the Indic Christians from the Congress, and the Hindu vote from the Left). It is just managing to take the floating vote. The votebanks are too entrenched and the BJP has no really strong leader who can take either Cong. vote or the Left vote. Even Modi has not been able to break the Left stranglehold on Hindu OBC/Dalit vote in KL.

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Postby SaiK » 27 May 2014 22:31

Rahul M wrote:^^ those stats might be explained by change in religious demographics ?

you bet! mom can reflect the influx by way of early morning change from regular temple bells to AoA calls. even the hard core agraharams of palakkad is infilterated!

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Postby Rahul M » 27 May 2014 22:33

never fails to surprise me how much caste matters in one marxist bastion, while it is completely irrelevant in another.
what is the way forward to breakdown these barriers ?

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Postby SaiK » 27 May 2014 22:59

Make RSS model in deep KL robust.
Provide an economic aspect to the robustness.
Create NGOs modeled based off the RSS model.
Establish deep routed social structure infliction in interceptor pattern for firang funds.
Monitor funds source from external sources with 50% tax [chased behind org level - hawala etc, not individual gelf resource].
Make sure land reforms, RE sector cater to demographics of population, especially considering religious indoctrinations.
Job based/idling taxation - if you don't have a regular job, tax all their funds at 50%
Provide more funds to improvement of yindoo establishments - temples stays away from gov. this is the land of Gods!
provide infrastructure to enable advancement of society only by such standardizations
baseline strategy - change the ideology (marxism)
remove or drastically reduce socialism from the governance model - not free rice, reduced price rice, etc.. base it on economic conditions, not by caste/policy/or by census etc. Kerala census is fraud!! so, conduct RSS census data, and nail them at grass roots
provide alternate path to mainstream nationalism - do these ways of living.. only way to perform is get a job [no free cocononuts or jackfruts can resuce their lives]
bottom line, tax everyone who does not have a job! idle tax, by sharing of coconuts or rice yields or whatever their source of income is. tax them at 50% for not participating in captialism! :twisted:

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Postby Victor » 27 May 2014 23:26

Nice that BJP is getting some experienced goon cadre from left parties in WB. They will be needed in future elections to show TMC how goonery is practiced

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Postby Shanmukh » 27 May 2014 23:28

Rahul M wrote:never fails to surprise me how much caste matters in one marxist bastion, while it is completely irrelevant in another.
what is the way forward to breakdown these barriers ?


I don't know, Rahul M saar. However, time is running out, at least for Malabar. Unless something is done to reverse the drastic fall of Hindu population in Kasargod, Kannur, Wayanad, Kozhikode and Palakkad, we are going to have a southern Kashmir. Now, Suraj saar will disagree with me here, saying that Kerala's Abrahamics have a lot of tolerance, but I am not so sure. That may have been true once, but Islamic supremacism is spreading rapidly. Particularly Malabar is being rapidly Islamised with huge inflow of money from the Gulf, and the Hindus don't have the ability to resist on a long term. Both demographically, and economically (due to Gulf money), Hindus of Malabar are losing rapidly. I am seeing a steady stream of migration of younger Hindus to Karnataka from the Malabar. .

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Postby SaiK » 27 May 2014 23:38

^it looks like an SOS call here! KL pandit redux!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar_Rebellion
heading dire straits! needs wiki update nageshks

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Postby ramana » 28 May 2014 01:30

Saral, One last task is still pending.
We need to bring closure to the GJP threads. The link below is the final data.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6770&start=400

Please do crunch the numbers and post here for closure.

Thanks,

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Postby ramana » 28 May 2014 03:28

muraliravi, I went back to your min and average of all March 2014 surveys. They were 179/213 for BJP only. I then tabulated the max of all surveys. It comes to 255.
About 28 short of the actual figure. Of this UP gave 13.

So all these underestimated the TsuNaMo by every measure.
And need to acknowledge Amit Shah's great work.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 28 May 2014 09:01

ShyamSP wrote:TDP is less likely to die. Best bet for BJP is to work with TDP to break and collapse YCP and TRS.

I like that. Then 3rd one to be collapsed would be TDP itself as long as the party doesn't grow horns(kommulu molvakapOtE). If it does, CBN will be history this time around. No more comebacks for him in 2024 or 2029 after losing 2019. There could be a last woman standing - Mamta or Jaya - for a true two party system. I am assuming here that Powar is less now.

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Postby Saral » 28 May 2014 10:47

ramana wrote:Saral, One last task is still pending.
We need to bring closure to the GJP threads. The link below is the final data.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6770&start=400

Please do crunch the numbers and post here for closure.

Thanks,

ramana


Obvious that the Tsunamo was under-estimated. Will post sometime next week.

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Postby pankajs » 28 May 2014 12:16

MP Congress Leaders Blame Rahul for Party's Failure

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/ ... 249044.ece
BHOPAL: Growing dissent against Rahul Gandhi’s leadership has begun causing fissures in the Madhya Pradesh Congress, with several party leaders assigning blame for the party’s disastrous defeat to the Gandhi scion.

Party leaders here questioned the competence of the Congress vice-president and said that along with anti-incumbency and inflation, he was one of the major reasons behind the party’s dismal performance.

The party leaders, requesting anonymity, said Rahul’s inability to understand the ground realities, scant interactions with state party leaders, arrogance and impulsive ventures lacking proper planning had weakened the party.

“It has been more than 10 years since Rahul became active in the Congress. Can you cite a single achievement of his? Rather than doing things that would benefit the party, his actions have weakened it.”

“Inspired by the suggestions of his coterie like Meenakshi Natarajan, he introduced the process of elections in the NSUI and Youth Congress.”

“Due to this, both the organisations crumbled as rivalries flourished. The NSUI and Youth Congress members used to play a major role in booth management during the polls, but this time they were not seen,” a city-based party functionary said.

One of Rahul’s major shortcomings, according to state Congress leaders, was his reluctance to engage with them. “During campaigning, he would alight from his helicopter, get into the waiting car, address the rally and then leave for Delhi.”

“He wouldn’t even notice or acknowledge the presence of many of the leaders, who had waited for him for hours. Rather than talking and taking useful inputs from these leaders and workers, he chose to believe in Delhi-based leaders who, just like him, were not aware of the ground realities,” a senior state party leader, who is presently in Delhi, said.

The party workers are of the opinion that Sonia Gandhi needs to accept that Rahul has failed.

“We have been talking to our colleagues in other states and they too feel that Rahul needs to take a backseat and let his sister, Priyanka Gandhi-Vadra, lead the party. However, bringing Priyanka in would be tantamount to admitting that Rahul has failed.

“Party leaders want to remain in Sonia’s good books and are afraid to tell her that Rahul has failed,” a former Union Minister said.

He added that until accountability was fixed at the top, the Congress would continue to falter.

“This whole hue and cry over the 2014 polls will go on for another month and then the party will start focusing on the Assembly elections that are scheduled to be held this year. Unless and until a major shift in power takes place at the top, do not expect the party to bounce back,” he added.

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Postby Singha » 28 May 2014 16:11

and their solution to the rahul problem is to let priyanka run it :rotfl:
let us welcome it strongly. for this will ensure the congis will go down more. the BSP, SP et al will tear up the remaining pieces.

a sikular pre-poll alliance between ADMK, BSP, SP, TMC, TRS, YSRC, NCP, RJD and BJD would likely be the most deadly threat to BJP in 2019, with either Behenji or Amma projected as the PM candidate.

and you know even the individually weaker deccan sultanates were able to band together and destroy Vijaynagara.

eternal vigil and proactive attack is a must.

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Postby Virendra » 28 May 2014 17:03

nageshks wrote:Now, Suraj saar will disagree with me here, saying that Kerala's Abrahamics have a lot of tolerance, but I am not so sure. That may have been true once, but Islamic supremacism is spreading rapidly. Particularly Malabar is being rapidly Islamised with huge inflow of money from the Gulf, and the Hindus don't have the ability to resist on a long term. Both demographically, and economically (due to Gulf money), Hindus of Malabar are losing rapidly. I am seeing a steady stream of migration of younger Hindus to Karnataka from the Malabar.

Abrahmic (in)tolerance is a tricky variable that behaves according to the strength and opportunity.
It is not wise to say that they are always tolerable and always intolerable.
Till it suits them, they are tolerating. When they can afford to be intolerable, they become so.

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Postby Vikas » 28 May 2014 17:16

^ This is all myth created by media.
Who are these anon. congress workers who are complaining against Rahul ? Must be BJP workers.

Any Congress leader worth his salt knows that Rahul G has innovative ideas and he is the glue that holds the country together. He is young and time is on side. He will learn.
His secular credentials are impeccable and he is the perfect PM material.

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Postby vinod » 28 May 2014 17:23

BJP's victory this time has been spectacular but come 2019 there will be real fight.

Hindus had consolidated cutting across castes. The traditional view of BJP being an upper caste party has been torn to shreds. This needs to be built upon otherwise we will end up what we were before 2014 and this 5 years will be a mere blip in history. I hope BJP and RSS top brass are aware of this and not resting on the success achieved so far. 2014 success needs to be the norm in the future.

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Postby fanne » 28 May 2014 17:59

And the most important warning, 2019 will not will won on 'performance' of modi sarkar, though it will be the necessary condition but not the sufficient one. Two ways to win - strengthen yourself (by expanding social base, I do not see an Yadav minister) and then weeken your enemy (proxies, not letting them unite, genuine corruption cases etc.). It will be a miss if Modi sarkar 'pardons' apposition past corruptions on some high moral ground, it will then be no different than condoning corruption (same as MMS, he was personally not corrupt, but chose to look the other way). Moreover, this government is not of 'some' people, follow Raj dhrama, India's interest and Hindu Dharma interest with extreme prejudice.

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Postby SRoy » 28 May 2014 18:27

fanne wrote:And the most important warning, 2019 will not will won on 'performance' of modi sarkar, though it will be the necessary condition but not the sufficient one. Two ways to win - strengthen yourself (by expanding social base, I do not see an Yadav minister)
and then weeken your enemy (proxies, not letting them unite, genuine corruption cases etc.).
It will be a miss if Modi sarkar 'pardons' apposition past corruptions on some high moral ground, it will then be no different than condoning corruption (same as MMS, he was personally not corrupt, but chose to look the other way).
Moreover, this government is not of 'some' people, follow Raj dhrama, India's interest and Hindu Dharma interest with extreme prejudice.

108+
Add to the list:
1. We must not assume a 'wave' in 2019 to return insane number of seats from the heartland. These states are still under medieval regimes, there is a limit to which central schemes can benefit.
2. The govt. must not appear to be soft / accommodating to Pakis. Test would be handling of mid intensity terror attacks. In spite of NaMo wave there is still a BJP core voter base that votes based on ideology.

Its extremely crucial that results on economic fronts are supplemented with expansion in newer areas.

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Postby sudarshan » 28 May 2014 18:32

WRT the heartland, wouldn't a clean-up of the Ganga yield big dividends all through UP and Bihar? I'd say this is a low-hanging fruit to show-case performance and gain goodwill. Tackle industrial pollution, and also indiscriminate dumping of bodies and organic matter. And do this right now, in the honeymoon period, when there is popular support as well. Expectations are that Modi is going to make the Ganga like the Sabarmati front.

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Postby SRoy » 28 May 2014 18:35

^^
Sir asking peasants to admire TFTA riverside promenade on empty stomach will not do.

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Postby member_28025 » 28 May 2014 18:37

sudarshan wrote:WRT the heartland, wouldn't a clean-up of the Ganga yield big dividends all through UP and Bihar? I'd say this is a low-hanging fruit to show-case performance and gain goodwill. Tackle industrial pollution, and also indiscriminate dumping of bodies and organic matter. And do this right now, in the honeymoon period, when there is popular support as well. Expectations are that Modi is going to make the Ganga like the Sabarmati front.


And above all, connect with the people all the time. Make sure they understand what BJP has done for them, not once but over and over again. In short, brain-wash them into chanting the NaMo mantra.

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Postby vinod » 28 May 2014 18:45

AAP & Congress would be shouting corruption against every project that NaMo govt implements. The more successful and high profile ones will be the ones most targeted. So, transparency and end results will be the ones that matter most. If the end results are there, shouts of corruption would be dismissed by the voters. So, complete implementation is the key to second NaMo term.


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