Telugu States' News and Discussion

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Postby ShyamSP » 17 Aug 2014 18:54

^^^ Where is he building gas chambers' city? Targetted "Jews" will buy lands around it in speculation.

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Postby Hari Seldon » 17 Aug 2014 18:56

Chandrababu Naidu is bitter, tears into UPA over Andhra division

Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister N Chandrababu Naidu is bitter. He has severely criticised the UPA government for the mess his state finds itself in, alleging that the residuary Andhra Pradesh has been put at a great disadvantage in terms of finance and sharing of resources by the "unilateral" and "faulty" bifurcation of undivided AP.

Naidu has alleged, "They (UPA government) did not consult anybody. They did it unilaterally."

"A careful reading and analysis of the (Andhra Pradesh Reorganisation) Act reveals that it was the principal source of unfair and unjust treatment to both successor states, with the residuary Andhra Pradesh being the worst sufferer," a white paper released by Naidu on Sunday on the 'Impact of State Reorganisation' said.

"Some of its provisions are having and would continue to have adverse impact in the short term as well as the medium term on the residuary Andhra Pradesh," the white paper said.

Naidu, who is the first chief minister of residuary AP, had earlier issued white papers on crucial subjects like irrigation and finance post bifurcation.

Highlighting that he had made elaborate efforts to promote Brand Hyderabad during his tenure as Chief Minister of undivided AP, Chandrababu said it requires Rs.four to five lakh crores to build another city like Hyderabad for (new) Andhra Pradesh.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Rony » 17 Aug 2014 19:55

Is this " I will be be worse then Hitler" comment directed towards Andhras for intimidation propaganda purposes or towards attracting Razakar Muslims ( they after all like Hitler for what he did to Jews) ? Irrespective, this KCR idiot and his son and daughter need to keep their mouth shut if they don't know what/how to speak

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 17 Aug 2014 20:09

Rony_> it is better that they merge with INC and expose thier true colours. He can never rule, like Kejriwal he can do only darnas.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Supratik » 17 Aug 2014 20:11

Modi should start reading up on Art 356.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Rony » 17 Aug 2014 22:04

So just days after KCR calls Modi a Fascist, he says he will be worse than Hitler ? This buffoon is becoming worse than Kujriwal

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 18 Aug 2014 01:03

Rony tweet this in reply to KCR

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Rony » 18 Aug 2014 03:41

will do ramana garu

Revanth Reddy again exposes the charade of household survey in telangana.


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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Muppalla » 18 Aug 2014 11:36

Rony Garu, what is ur Twitter id

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby SwamyG » 18 Aug 2014 11:44

I do not understand KCR. He got what he wanted, a state for himself (even it is named in a twisted way) and he has the power. His kids are in a good position in the party; all he has to do is now rule it good. People would have appreciated even if he had become a benevolent dictator. People are used to such leaders in desh. Why spoil the party for his kids.

If his kids had any sense, they would put him in a mental hospital and take over the party and rule it as best as possible.

This survey is the most dangerous thing happening, and I wish Modi really did something about this. It does not matter if it is state or central issue; such a dangerous survey cannot be held. WTF do they need bank account details?

At some level in America, some of the Universities charge less tuition for in-state students than out state. But that is at the time of admission, and nobody is forced to give out sensitive information. KCR needs to be locked up pronto.

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Postby Rony » 18 Aug 2014 16:53

Muppalla wrote:Rony Garu, what is ur Twitter id


@infosureshom. Mostly non-active on twitter

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby pradeepe » 18 Aug 2014 16:54

You can choose to give what info you want. We chose not to participate at all.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby ShyamSP » 18 Aug 2014 18:01

pradeepe wrote:You can choose to give what info you want. We chose not to participate at all.


Yes court said giving details or participating is optional. As I suggested to my relatives one can give survey people generic details like name, age, etc without any deeper personal and financial details and send them away.

Coming to BJP, it may be silent on this because side effect of this "anti-Andhrolla" survey is to enumerate Muslims also so they can weed out illegals later.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby SaiK » 18 Aug 2014 18:43

is aug 19 a holiday? meaning people can't reach offices on that day? just checking to know if some of the remote folks asking for holiday is genuine.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Muppalla » 18 Aug 2014 20:19

The survey is so much watered down in GHMC area. It has nothing that is useful anymore other than knowing if you are SC/ST or OBC. I spoke to my dad and brothers.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby vipins » 18 Aug 2014 22:34

SaiK wrote:is aug 19 a holiday? meaning people can't reach offices on that day? just checking to know if some of the remote folks asking for holiday is genuine.

Its holiday for state govt services but cable services,broadband services,cab services,,bus services etc are not available on 19th.Even private companies have declared holiday on 19th.

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Postby Muppalla » 18 Aug 2014 23:11

On the face of events, TRS government perfectly looks like a Tuglaq government.

Most of his actions are being called by courts and getting nullified. He created this 19th as something where everyone is travelling. In HYD all folks from rural TG left to their native places. For last 4 days there is labor shortage. :). No buses, trains are available as every ticket is sold out. Folks call their relatives living as far as Mumbai etc to get to home to fill a piece of survey.

All this is in the name of weeding out fake ration cards that are meant for lower economic strata (not castes).

Why KCR has to do all this drama and hangama when he is losing out to courts?

The answer is not that simple. This white card stuff (introduced during YSR times) is the most corrupt stuff. A lot of non-deserving ones got this white cards by fake certificates etc. YSR was very generous because all these have made him darling of masses. For KCR who has to now run a government that has " no friendly deficit filling center " has to do something to reduce the costs. If he does straight he will lose his popularity and the anti-Andhra popularity based TG-unity that he has built. TG social stuff will unravel. So he has to use his unity making anti-Andhra stuff as regular as possible. Hence he introduced the nativity clauses initially and propagated massive unrest from media that he is really doing anti-Andhra. He perfectly knows that in the end he has to remove such clauses. He did remove all that nonsense finally because courts have watered down.

The real Tuglaq moment is he did not even add questions like "Do you have white card", "do you personally think you need to have white card" :). So the multi-crore survey is as good as dud. Some meaning is there like number of gas connections, electricity usage, social groupings, land holdings are still there.

The folks are enjoying long holidays - Independence day, sat, sun, Krishnashtami, maha survey day.

The future fear
It is now very much clear that he will always add anti-Andhra stuff to everything he do and then courts will strike down those clauses. The population hasn't called the bluff and they are not so good at that like other states. They are enjoying the nice anti-Andhra rhetoric+undoable actions. Though the courts strike down most of them think Andhras are being thrown out. Kaamwaali bai asks when are you going back to your desh :). Really desam is the word.

KCR will be under real pressure to deliver a TG that has subtracting Andhra components which was his promise. As he cannot do this, there will be pressures to do riots on Andhras or do something to show. Per some I know, the central IB and other intel forces have been beefed up to max to watch every move of KCR. Any real incident will pull the plug on the government.

Also, it seems he promised that he will remove ban on naxals and they are asking him when? He cannot even do this too.

There will always be an end to negative campaign to achieve goals. The goal of TG separate state could also be achieved with positivity but no one has every tried it. Andhra bashing is what used overtly (KCR) and covertly (TG-BJP and TG-INC).

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Vayutuvan » 18 Aug 2014 23:55

SwamyG wrote:At some level in America, some of the Universities charge less tuition for in-state students than out state. But that is at the time of admission, and nobody is forced to give out sensitive information. KCR needs to be locked up pronto.

SwayG: While I utterly oppose any kind of "ethnic" targeting by KCR, what you said above re. the US universities is not true.

Parents have to submit their tax papers every year to the university to claim in-state. They also should be resident for > 6 months (i.e. state needs to be the primary residence of the parents). If need-based aid is required, every aspect of parents' finances (they have to proved with tax papers, mortgage papers, parents' own student loans and the history of payback, any alimony paid or received, how many other kids are in university and how these other children are being financed - everything), if the applicant has worked/working anywhere, what are their account balances etc. If one does not need financial aid of any kind and the university is private, then parents can get away by submitting the least amount of information, namely copies of tax papers which contain one's social security numbers from which everything can be accessed by the authorities if required.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Vayutuvan » 19 Aug 2014 00:10

Muppalla wrote:Also, it seems he promised that he will remove ban on naxals and they are asking him when? He cannot even do this too.

On that front he may be between a rock and hard place. "pedda kODalu manchidi anTE chinna kODaluku kOpam chinna kODalu manchidi anTE pedda kODaluku kOpam". He is damned if he doesn't lift the ban and damned if he does. If he doesn't lift the ban there is a possibility that the naxals might eliminate him. We have a long of history of this in AP. CBN escaped, one attempt on Sripada Rao failed and the second succeeded. There were other ministers who were eliminated. If he does lift, then the center would not hesitate to pull the plug as it (the center) is waiting for any wrong policy moves from his government (IMHO and all that).

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Dasari » 19 Aug 2014 05:49

If you listen to the press conference of Revant Reddy that Rony has posted above, Revant Reddy presented a piece of video/audio of KCR's conference with district collectors and other admin staff. There was one collector( I guess mehabub nagar) who asks KCR to postpone the survey as there are many migrants that are out of state. He lashed at the collector saying that there are no migrants ( compared to what he used to say during T movement), and opened his big mouth after saying that he didn't want to say this out loud but reveals the reason behind the survey anyway. First he said that he made sure that no andhra collectors or MRO officers or any other andhra sympathizers attended this conference. Therefore, he was implying, that he can take liberty to reveal the secret . He basically said that by doing this survey and every harassment possible, all the duplicates (another derogatory word he used against andhrites) will panic and leave Hyderabad and Ranga Reddy area. His strategy is that simple.

Shockingly, KCR was achieving his goal when CBN said that he wanted to move the temporary capital to Vijayawada. Moving the temporary capital to Vijayawada is fine but giving the reason as harassment from KCR, and giving wrong message to rest of andhrites in Hyderabad played right into his hands. I've a feeling that KCR and his ilk celebrated privately when CBN made that statement. Since then CBN retracted from his statement saying that he will continue to rule from Hyderabd for the next 10 years.

So the point is that KCR's game plan is simple. Whether courts (after prolonged period) act against him or not is secondary, as long as people of coastal origin panic and leave, and his supporters get a cynical satisfaction and project it as a political victory.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Muppalla » 19 Aug 2014 07:08

Dasari wrote:as long as people of coastal origin panic and leave, and his supporters get a cynical satisfaction and project it as a political victory.


That highlighted part is most important and that is his base. Any alteration to that base he could become a zero in that state.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Rony » 19 Aug 2014 17:03

Got this from Facebook. Supposedly this is what pasted on a door for survey

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Rony » 19 Aug 2014 18:25

Telangana: Fears of exclusion, ethnic profiling as KCR govt's survey kicks off

The Telangana government's insistence on a comprehensive household socio-economic survey has triggered apprehension of exclusion among residents of twin cities of Hyderabad and Secunderabad and other Telangana districts too. Chastened by the strong political and public reaction to the nativity question it raised, the government is less open about the subject now, but it appears to be pushing through its agenda a secretive manner.

The real intention of the government comes clear in the last columns of 21, 22 and 23 in a special box under the header 'Division I' which clearly seeks to elicit information on the nativity of the survey targets. The special box has a headline specifically mentioning "the details of those who migrated from other states". The questions asked are: 21. From which State have you come? 22. Language spoken, and 23. Year of migration.These three questions are seen as an attempt to delineate people of Andhra origin from others on the basis of their nativity.

The questions in the survey raise several questions:

1. Why does the government want to know which state the people have come from and since when are they living in their present location? What does the government do with the reply to the 23rd query on the ‘year of migration’?

2. Why does the government want to know the bank account number when they are anyway linked to Permanent Account Numbers and CIBIL and when the government already has the data?

3. The questions under 'Division – B' regarding religion and caste are surely a cause of embarrassment. What if two generations in a family are married into different castes and the progeny cannot identify himself with one caste? Of course, democracy and electoral politics in most parts of India hover around religion and caste, what is raising many an eyebrow is the question on whether the government trying to identify and nurse newer constituencies?

4. In the same 'Division-B', column 6 deals with information on the gas connections. Supposing, two brothers are staying as a joint family, they will have to furnish the details of their respective families, though under one address, as separate units and can show separate connections. However, it applies only if the cooking is done separately. But if the kitchen is the same, the surveyor is asked to treat it as one family unit. This is causing confusion among joint families.

5. The government is insisting that all the members of every family must be present at home during the survey and if there is anybody who is absent, the family will have to produce a proof of that person’s credentials. What if a father cannot flash an evidence to prove that his son is employed in Indian Army and serving elsewhere?

6. The Greater Hyderabad Municipal Corporation commissioner has issued a statement asking people to keep Xerox copies of 18 different documents to be submitted to the surveyors. The long list includes receipts of property tax, water tax, LPG supply, bank passbooks, Adhar card, caste certificate, birth certificate, registration certificate of vehicles, ration card, voter ID, mobile phone bill, PAN card, property documents, etc. There is every possibility of some people not having voter ID. What if the family head doesn't have a voter ID or an Aadhar card? What does the government do with the copy of a birth certificate?

7. Most people may not have bank passbooks, because many banks are not issuing the same after online banking and mobile banking have become the order of the day. Many would not have mobile phone bills, as most users are saving on the bill amount by avoiding printed bills. Some service providers don’t even issue electronic bills and some put an asterisk asking people not to print the same to minimize deforestation. How do they produce copies of these?

8. What happens to wage-earners who cannot afford to skip work and don’t have a permanent address? Would they never be counted as being alive? Would the survey encompass defence quarters and military areas and inpatients of hospitals?

A myriad other doubts like these are bothering the people in the state. Though the government is contemplating a single-day survey to avoid any intentional duplication of enumeration by mischief-mongers, it is very unlikely that the process can be complete in just one day. Also, it is not clear whether the government is capable of imparting training to all the surveyors in just one week.

The state government is proposing to complete the computerization of the data by 4 September and is likely to launch another massive activity to crosscheck the veracity of the details provided by the people. While the official explanation is that is intended at enlisting the people for extending the government benefits and schemes to the needy, the real motive remains suspect.


Narendra Modi government-Telangana face-off likely on household survey

A face-off between the Centre and the Telangana government seems to be imminent as the Home Ministry may intervene in the 'Intensive Household Survey' to ascertain the details of 84 lakh families in the state.

A senior Home Ministry official said the Central government is seized of the matter and keeping close eye on the situation arising out of the survey that began this morning as it has raised suspicion among the people of Seemandhra origin.

"Appropriate intervention will be made by the Home Ministry at an appropriate time, if necessary," the official said.

The Central government was expecting that the situation in Telangana, particularly in Hyderabad, where tension is high, will calm down and no violent incident will take place. "We hope that good sense will prevail and the Telangana government will not do anything that will escalate tension," the official said.

Dismissing allegations that the survey is aimed at identifying Seemandhra natives, Telangana Chief Minister K Chandrasekhar Rao said on Sunday that the exercise is intended to ensure that benefits of government schemes reached the targeted sections.

According to the "Check Slip" posted on the website of Greater Hyderabad Municipal Corporation (GHMC), data is sought about the number of family members in a household, water tap connection, property tax assessment, LPG and electricity connections, bank account, Aadhaar card, caste certificate, birth certificate, disability, vehicles and land owned.

The Telangana government has also defied the Centre's directive on special powers related to law and order in Hyderabad vested with the governor.

The Chief Minister had dubbed the Home Ministry's order as a "fascist act" and dashed off a letter to Prime Minister Narendra Modi asking him to rescind it.


Telangana's Mega Survey Flawed, Say Many Upset Residents

Towards the end of the one-day exercise, however, questions have been raised about the authenticity, accuracy and usefulness of the data that has been collected today, primarily because of the way the survey was conducted.

Residents in several localities of Hyderabad complained that people who seemed not to have been adequately briefed were sent to collect data. "A young girl came to my house to do the survey. She could not understand the columns and what was to be done and I had to do it myself," said a senior resident of Secunderabad.

In many places, people complained that they hadn't been told what documents they needed to keep handy.


Jayanand, a public sector employee, waited at his home as he had been told that enumerators would go door-to-door. He later learned that, "they were just sitting in one corner and asking people to come and give details."

Jayanand also alleged that those conducting the survey in his area did not check or verify documents. "So you can say anything and get away with it," he said.

Prem Kumar, who works as a cleaner for a tanker, had the same report from Ambedkar Nagar. "Even if I am a backward class person, I could declare myself a Scheduled Caste and just change my father's name and create a new identity," he alleged.

Yet another person said a booklet meant to be filled in by those conducting the survey was handed over to residents, who then made their own entries.


About 3.69 lakh government employees and volunteers were assigned to survey 85 lakh households and 99 lakh houses in the state. Some volunteers reportedly quit because they were not paid for the work.

There were also reports that some government employees deputed for the survey sub-contracted their task to other people not qualified to handle the job.


Pawan Kalyan, Vijayashanthi refuse to provide details for Telangana survey

Actors turned politicians Pawan Kalyan and Vijayashanthi refused to provide details to enumerators for the Intensive Household Survey in Telangana on August 19.Reportedly, the enumerators, who went to their residences, said that they would again visit their residences to collect details.
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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby deejay » 19 Aug 2014 18:35

^^^ Sorry, to jump in here. This was troubling me from the beginning. How in the world would they complete a complicated Survey in a single day in entire Telangana?

Operationally and logistically this would be a challenge in a month long exercise even with trained manpower. Stats gurus could best reflect on the difficulties when one needs a survey like Census and a survey of a Sample. Again, what will be the confidence on data so collected?

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Postby ShyamSP » 19 Aug 2014 18:44

After this survey issue went to court, TRS government chickened out and said survey is optional. So details collected may not be all authentic except may be from poor who may have been scared that if they didn't give their ration cards would be cut.

Going by what small sample of people in Hyderabad gave, details collected are already there with government. Voter, Aadar, PAN, Gas, state governement ration, registration records etc cards, whose info government has in their database already, can give more correct information than this.

If at all they want to weed out fake ration cards, which is what for government said it is doing survey, all they have to do is reissue ration card say from white color to pink color and in the process verify all documents and reject the fake cards.

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Postby ShyamSP » 19 Aug 2014 18:55

deejay wrote:^^^ Sorry, to jump in here. This was troubling me from the beginning. How in the world would they complete a complicated Survey in a single day in entire Telangana?

Operationally and logistically this would be a challenge in a month long exercise even with trained manpower. Stats gurus could best reflect on the difficulties when one needs a survey like Census and a survey of a Sample. Again, what will be the confidence on data so collected?


1 family/household took 10-15 mins just to give details on name, age, sex of members and caste and native place.
They opted out to give other details.

For all details and to show documents, it takes at least may be 1/2 hr going by what they put as Survey sample paper on online.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Muppalla » 19 Aug 2014 19:01

As long as TG psyche does not forget the nativity stuff as a core identity of TG state, there will be no change to their lives or to their region.

The survey is total dud. They noted few points and it is just done as a face saver. They did not take back the forms. No questions absolutely about nativity at all.

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Postby fanne » 19 Aug 2014 19:17

Guys and I thought gults were smart!!
I believe for the next 10 years lets forget Bihari or Sardarji jokes, I think TG jokes will be the flavor!! It is mindboggling to see this in this age and time. Plus if BJP or Shri Krishna Reddy ji is not willing to fight this maglomanic, time to get another leader. This is dharamyudha at this time. Wether you win or loose, live or die, this dude has to be countered. Expose his corruption, ill gotten wealth etc.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Virupaksha » 19 Aug 2014 19:52

i filled out the survey. Frankly, it did not have any details by which one's nativity can be determined (except through cross checking with aadhar).

I have objections to questions about caste and bank account numbers. I skipped them. They collected the property id details.

There is a lot of apprehension in general populace. The survey straight out says that the survey will be used for rooting out beneficiaries.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby bhavani » 19 Aug 2014 20:00

ShyamSP wrote:
deejay wrote:^^^ Sorry, to jump in here. This was troubling me from the beginning. How in the world would they complete a complicated Survey in a single day in entire Telangana?

Operationally and logistically this would be a challenge in a month long exercise even with trained manpower. Stats gurus could best reflect on the difficulties when one needs a survey like Census and a survey of a Sample. Again, what will be the confidence on data so collected?


1 family/household took 10-15 mins just to give details on name, age, sex of members and caste and native place.
They opted out to give other details.

For all details and to show documents, it takes at least may be 1/2 hr going by what they put as Survey sample paper on online.


You forgot to mention the huge number of enumerators they have enrolled to do this survey. My Sister who works as a Prof (She has a PHD and is about to leave India for Post doc work in Finland) in a College in Hyderabad was also an enumerator. She started her work at morning 6AM and till 7-8PM. She just reached home. They were working in batches of 4 enumerators each. Security is provided by couple of 4th year engineering students. :rotfl: :rotfl:

It seems some of the enumerators faced some angry folks, It seems when they were going through an apartment complex, floor by floor and by number in an Order, Some of the residents approached them to take their details first as they had some urgent work. When they said that they cant skip the order, the folks started abusing the enumerators and one of the them was crying and the police were called.

BTw most of these enumerators are from Andhra like my sister. most of the folks who performed by the survey were not even briefed once and did not even understand the columns in the survey.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby ShyamSP » 19 Aug 2014 23:06

bhavani wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:1 family/household took 10-15 mins just to give details on name, age, sex of members and caste and native place.
They opted out to give other details.

For all details and to show documents, it takes at least may be 1/2 hr going by what they put as Survey sample paper on online.


You forgot to mention the huge number of enumerators they have enrolled to do this survey.


10 mins is real data point from 1 family surveyed who gave partial info only. Ringing the bell, household person responding, coming from gate into house, and exiting may add additional minutes.

How many people surveyed across is different and for us to calculate and extrapolate on how much time it would take to collect all.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby SriKumar » 20 Aug 2014 03:15

deejay wrote:^^^ Sorry, to jump in here. This was troubling me from the beginning. How in the world would they complete a complicated Survey in a single day in entire Telangana?

Operationally and logistically this would be a challenge in a month long exercise even with trained manpower. Stats gurus could best reflect on the difficulties when one needs a survey like Census and a survey of a Sample. Again, what will be the confidence on data so collected?
deejay mian....I am of the same opinion. Taking a survey for practically every household in a city in one day would be a major challenge even with trained manpower and good logistics. Getting technical details about one'e life is a complex thing...it appears simple but when you have so many people with different circumstances, backgrounds, jobs, residences, it can get very complicated. The state govt. has gone to amazing lengths for this survey....dragged a lot of people from out of state into state, moved people out of city to their native towns/villages, no buses.....shut down the state for a day.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Dasari » 20 Aug 2014 06:29

The official reason for survey is that there are only 84 lakh families in the entire state but there are 91 lakhs white cards. Now the survey reveals that there are at least 1 crore families with 4.5 crore population and another 23% to be counted in Hyderabad. If the unofficial objective of scaring the andhrites is not served, can't the the official objective of reducing white crds boomerang on the govt? Also, if the survey shows that AP and T population is same, who benefits from it? Is there a hidden agenda behind it? Or does it show that census grossly underestimating population? Perhaps in future the threat and scare of being discriminated and left out can be a tool to get counted.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby SwamyG » 20 Aug 2014 07:19

matrimc wrote:
SwamyG wrote:At some level in America, some of the Universities charge less tuition for in-state students than out state. But that is at the time of admission, and nobody is forced to give out sensitive information. KCR needs to be locked up pronto.

SwayG: While I utterly oppose any kind of "ethnic" targeting by KCR, what you said above re. the US universities is not true.

Parents have to submit their tax papers every year to the university to claim in-state. They also should be resident for > 6 months (i.e. state needs to be the primary residence of the parents). If need-based aid is required, every aspect of parents' finances (they have to proved with tax papers, mortgage papers, parents' own student loans and the history of payback, any alimony paid or received, how many other kids are in university and how these other children are being financed - everything), if the applicant has worked/working anywhere, what are their account balances etc. If one does not need financial aid of any kind and the university is private, then parents can get away by submitting the least amount of information, namely copies of tax papers which contain one's social security numbers from which everything can be accessed by the authorities if required.

What is incorrect? Tuition fees being different for different people based on in-state (or reciprocity) or giving out sensitive information. If it is the later, when I say they are not forced - I mean that the individual is not forced to attend an University. Hence the parents do not have to give the information, like the 'survey' where one is expected to provide the answers whether one likes or not.

If there is anything more, we can take this to nukkad, OT dhaaga. thankz.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby member_28674 » 20 Aug 2014 23:48

Heard this through grapevine..

Apparently TS's self proclaimed first family is looking at clean governance for atleast the first half of its tenure. Strict implementation of rules is a high priority.

Though only high profile instances are being given press. Ayyappa society buildings razed also included those of a Cabinet minister in the TS government. Even a cabinet ministers engineering college is one of the colleges not included for the counselling this year.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby RamaY » 21 Aug 2014 00:29

pkiran wrote:Heard this through grapevine..

Apparently TS's self proclaimed first family is looking at clean governance for atleast the first half of its tenure. Strict implementation of rules is a high priority.

Though only high profile instances are being given press. Ayyappa society buildings razed also included those of a Cabinet minister in the TS government. Even a cabinet ministers engineering college is one of the colleges not included for the counselling this year.


Possible, that's why I am think KCR can be an useful idiot for Yindu forces.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby ShyamSP » 21 Aug 2014 01:08

Dasari wrote:The official reason for survey is that there are only 84 lakh families in the entire state but there are 91 lakhs white cards. Now the survey reveals that there are at least 1 crore families with 4.5 crore population and another 23% to be counted in Hyderabad. If the unofficial objective of scaring the andhrites is not served, can't the the official objective of reducing white crds boomerang on the govt? Also, if the survey shows that AP and T population is same, who benefits from it? Is there a hidden agenda behind it? Or does it show that census grossly underestimating population? Perhaps in future the threat and scare of being discriminated and left out can be a tool to get counted.



http://archives.eenadu.net/08-20-2014/H ... m=break144

Survery is 107% successful in some districts :rotfl: 400% correct. it is not <100% success but 107% success.

They wanted to survey and cut cards from 15 lakh families in Hyderabad. Now they found there are 20 lakhs families in Hyderabad.

Instead of cutting, now government will be forced to cover more people as there are 107 people instead of 100 people expected.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Dasari » 21 Aug 2014 08:59

The recently announced AP budget of Rs 1,11,000 crores includes Rs 29000 crores of grants and aids from center. That is incredible as I don't recall center ever giving that kind of aid to any state in a single year. On top of this, the center has to put some money for Polavaram and the new capital city. If AP can pull this out, this will be an incredible achievement considering the state has real income of only Rs 60,000 crores. Leaving aside the improbable grant from center, on the expenditure side the budget is very realistic and honest. There is only Rs 5000 crores for loan waiver, not the Rs 35000 crores that is required, and none for capital city. In that respect, this is very commendable budget resisting the temptations of popularism.

However, if the center doesn't give that Rs 29000 crores, not only it creates unsustainable deficit but also makes the entire planned allocations of loan waiver of Rs 4000 crores and several social programmes including JNNURM will vanish in thin air.

By each day, the Rs 11 crore budget of 1953 by Tenneti Visawnadham looks lot better than this. Thank you mafia, we will remember you life long.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 21 Aug 2014 19:16

Dasarigaru, You know Tenneti Vishwanadham?
wow!!!


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