Telugu States' News and Discussion

[Dasari]

Dasarigaru, You know Tenneti Vishwanadham?
wow!!!

Ramana garu, how can any Vizagite forget Tenneti for what he has done to the city. His slogan of 'Visakha ukku.. Andhrula hakku' reverberates even now. We have a beautiful beach/park, near kailasagiri on the way to Bhimili, named after him. Although i was in AVN college at that time, I was very disappointed when he lost the MP elections to Dronamraju in 1977, not able to capitalize the emergency wave. We can't blame him as Congress won 41 of 42 seats in the state, except N Sanjiva Reddy from Nandyala. Now look what the mafia has done for showing that kind of loyalty.

[RamaY]

Dasari garu,

States share in Central taxes for 2014-15 is Rs 2,91,546 crore. Looks like AP got 15-16K crore from this as its share (looks proportional based on population, contributions etc.,)

Out of the 125K crore revenues, 25K crore from loans.

Real revenues of AP state are about 95K crore. I wish GoAP limited its budget to that amount without adding new loans.

Cost of running the govt as is itself is cost 85k crore.

Govts should do a thorough HR reorganization so the existing govt employees are realigned based on new priorities.

Lets see...

[Rony]

[ramana]

Dasari, Thanks. He was my uncle's brother on mother's side.

[Yagnasri]

Any news on location of High Court??? I am looking to settle in AP in a place where HC is there.

[Rony]

Sikhs seek Security for Youth in Telangana State

Seeking adequate security for the Sikh community residing in the city and stop police harassment of young community members, Central Committee of Gurudwara Saheb urged the State government to safeguard the interests of community. Addressing a press conference on Wednesday, Central Committee of Gurudwara Saheban Telangana State S Gurcharan Singh alleged that innocent Sikh youth were being targeted and attacked by leaders of a political party.

Nearly 40 educated Sikh youths has been arrested and have been leveled with serious charges by the police, he said. He said that Sikh community, which has been living in the city for about 200 years, is known for maintaining communal harmony and peace. However, a series of communal riots have been taking place in the abutting areas of Sikh Chawni in Kishanbagh area for the past four months. CCGSTS General Secretary S Inderjeet Singh Tuteja said that Sikhs were law abiding citizens, but they are being harassed by personnel from the twin police commissionerates.

“They are framing false cases against the Sikh youth and ruining their lives. Sikhs are being deliberately targeted by miscreants to trigger communal violence,” he alleged. “Since the last few days, communal tension is being built in Kishanbagh areas by few miscreants with their unruly vehicle driving, passing provoking comments, hurting the religious sentiments, using of vulgar and filthy language against Sikhs. However, no action is being initiated against them,” he said. He said that two days ago, a couple of Sikh youth returning from office were attacked by a mob with sticks and stones, leaving them grievously injured.

Though the incident took place right in front of Charminar MLA Syed Pasha Quadri, all his staff including security personnel and gunman remained spectators to the violence, Inderjeet alleged and added that even the Bahadurpura police initially refused to file a case against the attackers. Later, the intervention of Sikh community leaders forced the police to book cases against the culprits, Inderjeet pointed out.

[Dasari]

The SRK commission gave two shocks to the ruling TDP govt that bent on building a mega city in the populaous fertile agricutlrupral belt if vja-gtr. There is no doubt that the ruling party deliberatelyleaked news about vijayawada cspital either to influence the committee or benefit the real estate mafia cashing on speculation. However the committee had completely different view from the beginning and very firmly against Vja capital. The state may go ahead against the committee recommendation but this may give an opening for center to escape from their obligations. This being a deliberate strategy by center cannot be ruled out.

The second shock is the distribution of the government institutions such as high court and various directorates across the state. This may please the far flung distrcts diminished the capital to be a mere location that consists of assembly hall and secretariat. As a result they allocated a mere Rs 1500 crores to build the administrative capital at danukonda in Prakasam dist.

Going by the previous state divisions, there are no surprises here in fund allocation although people hoped that this time it would be different due to sheer injustice done to AP for electoral gains. The road to recovery and the rebuilding process will be painfully slow. Now this gives tremendous lever for YSRCP to become relevant until next elections. At least, the commission recommended a special economic status (a tax haven) to AP for the next 5 years. I hope that at least this recommendation is fulfilled.

[bhavani]

The SRK commission gave two shocks to the ruling TDP govt that bent on building a mega city in the populaous fertile agricutlrupral belt if vja-gtr. There is no doubt that the ruling party deliberatelyleaked news about vijayawada cspital either to influence the committee or benefit the real estate mafia cashing on speculation. However the committee had completely different view from the beginning and very firmly against Vja capital. The state may go ahead against the committee recommendation but this may give an opening for center to escape from their obligations. This being a deliberate strategy by center cannot be ruled out.

The second shock is the distribution of the government institutions such as high court and various directorates across the state. This may please the far flung distrcts diminished the capital to be a mere location that consists of assembly hall and secretariat. As a result they allocated a mere Rs 1500 crores to build the administrative capital at danukonda in Prakasam dist.

Going by the previous state divisions, there are no surprises here in fund allocation although people hoped that this time it would be different due to sheer injustice done to AP for electoral gains. The road to recovery and the rebuilding process will be painfully slow. Now this gives tremendous lever for YSRCP to become relevant until next elections. At least, the commission recommended a special economic status (a tax haven) to AP for the next 5 years. I hope that at least this recommendation is fulfilled.

But the problem is SRK commission left the final option to AP GOvernment. Naidu is not paying any heed to anybody now. YSRC is very weak now, around 29 MLA's are keeping away from Party activities. They are ready to jump in a moments notice.

In stead of declaring a formal Capital, Naidu is going ahead with land acquisition for outer ring road and inner road. Since AP no capital level infrastructure, once he starts creating it, everybody will move there. Even Jagan is ok with it now and Some Semma factionists are showing up in Vij in the last few months.

APSEB new HQ is also under works in Vij and all the AP staff will move there from Hyd by 2015. CBN wont declare a capital, Every office will move there and it will become the capital

[Yagnasri]

Mafia queen and Ahmad Patel, Panabaka Lakshmi has acquired huge lands in Prakasham district before division. Hence the deep power of mafia wants capital in Prakasham.

[ShyamSP]

Mafia queen and Ahmad Patel, Panabaka Lakshmi has acquired huge lands in Prakasham district before division. Hence the deep power of mafia wants capital in Prakasham.

Looks like they fixed where Congress wanks bought lands and to make it work they did this committee. Good thing is INC or its stooges didn't win at Center or in the state.

Better to go with Center of the state as Capital region as TDP government decided.

Sivarama Krishna report looks like mental report. At one side he says decentralized approach where you don't need massive lands and on the other side he wants massive land at Danakonda for capital.

The report's decentralized logic is also screwed up. It is like putting a school with Headmaster office in Danakonda, teachers office in Vizag and students classroom in Tirupati. That is not decentralization.

PS: It is Donakonda not Danakonda. Maybe 95% AP people might never heard of that name also. It has no road, rail, or social connectivity. It also has water problem to sustain any new economic development.

[Rony]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donakonda

The recommended capital of AP

[Vayutuvan]

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It is interesting that the "modern" woman questioning the SDRE is shown to be a redhead. The man is obviously an SDRE.

[Dasari]

Here is 187 pages of Siva Rama Krishnan Report

While SRK commission plunged the state into a new controversy, he suggested a funding of Rs 460,000 crores for integrated development of AP. I don't know why and where the central govt gives this kind of funding. Here are some sample estimates he provided:

Infrastructure around capital city - Rs 27097 Crores
Assembly hall, Secrretatirat and Raj Bhavan - Rs 2032 Crores
8 Railway projects - Rs 7305 Crores
Roads and Highways - Rs 20000 crores
Air port development - Rs 10,200 crores
Directorates - Rs 6685 crores
High Court and other courts - Rs 1271 crores

Here is a tv9 report:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty-qY0UrR68[/youtube]

[a_bharat]

It should have been a no-brainer to select the capital city for AP. If only Vizag hadn't been in an extreme corner of the state, it would have been the capital. That leaves VJA-GTR to be the only logical choice for the capital.

[Dasari]

It should have been a no-brainer to select the capital city for AP. If only Vizag hadn't been in an extreme corner of the state, it would have been the capital. That leaves VJA-GTR to be the only logical choice for the capital.

I agree that VJA-GTR is the right place for capital city, once Vizag is ruled out. But the question is why is Vizag ruled out. If an archaic excuse like central location is the reason, then the pandora box is opened, and naturally other questions like the one raised by SRK commission comes.

First of all they should not have formed this commission and should have left everything to state. Can center follow everything given in the report, including significant financial aid? Did the commission come out with anything that is already not known? At this stage, it will be suicidal for the govt to get away from vja-gtr capital. However after all this negative exposure, if they don't distribute the govt, they will face huge backcash from both Rayalaseema and Uttara Andhra regions. So mega capital at vja-gtr is out of question. Also it is very clear that this is a long drawn out process both in terms of political struggles and the paucity of funds. I can see this becoming a central issue for the next elections.

[chetak]

It should have been a no-brainer to select the capital city for AP. If only Vizag hadn't been in an extreme corner of the state, it would have been the capital. That leaves VJA-GTR to be the only logical choice for the capital.

I agree that VJA-GTR is the right place for capital city, once Vizag is ruled out. But the question is why is Vizag ruled out. If an archaic excuse like central location is the reason, then the pandora box is opened, and naturally other questions like the one raised by SRK commission comes.

First of all they should not have formed this commission and should have left everything to state. Can center follow everything given in the report, including significant financial aid? Did the commission come out with anything that is already not known? At this stage, it will be suicidal for the govt to get away from vja-gtr capital. However after all this negative exposure, if they don't distribute the govt, they will face huge backcash from both Rayalaseema and Uttara Andhra regions. So mega capital at vja-gtr is out of question. Also it is very clear that this is a long drawn out process both in terms of political struggles and the paucity of funds. I can see this becoming a central issue for the next elections.

central funds may not be so easily forthcoming.

No one has forgotten how the devious naidu and greedy TDP raped the previous ABV govt.

[Rony]

No one has forgotten how the devious naidu and greedy TDP raped the previous ABV govt.

And how did they 'raped' previous ABV govt ?

[Aditya_V]

For those who don't understand why Vizag is ruled out, think about connectivity with Ananthapur, Kurnool or Naidu's own Kuppam constituency.

[Yagnasri]

Further security wise it would be better not Vizag which has serious security installations. Vizag can be developed as a new Cyber City and even film city. Basic problem is even not Delhi is not allowing people of AP to decide their future capital. After 4 capitals in 65 years no one is coastal district wish to give anything to Rayalaseema as capital only to lose it after it was developed as the cost and money of coastal district. The shameful manner in which Chittor, Kadappa, Karnool politicos behaved during division agitation they have no right now to ask for capital in Rayalaseema.

If Delhi imposes something on behest of Mafia queen and D4 club of B.J.P. on AP now, it is doing something very very bad once again and this time the wound may be rather deep to forget and forgive. NM promised to help AP during elections and I am sure he will stop the present drama to benifit Mafia queen and Ahmad Patel actively aided by D4.

The talk of functioning from different areas is also applicable to entire India. Why have SC in Delhi. Shift it to Ananthapur to Srikakulam. Give RBI and other institutions to say Odissa or Assam. Entire software industry to say Chattisgarh or Rajasthan. Shift Tourism Ministry to Kashmir or Himachal Pradesh. Instead of giving sermons to AP, Delhi to practice the divided capital first for entire India and then talk.

[Dasari]

Let us not attribute lame excuses why Vizag is not capital. Mumbai and New Delhi have lot more security instllations than Vizag will ever have.In terms of central location, the distance from itchapuram to Guntur is not much different from the distance between Anantpur and Vizag. I guess who cares about itchapuram? In any case, why do we dance around and try to obfuscate the facts. ViJA-GTR dominated by real esate brokers, capitalists and large landlords dominates AP politics. Naturally the capital will be at Vijayawada. it will be delusional to think otherwise. SRK clearly saw the dominance of the two districts and they wanted to change it, but being a commission couldn't express as bluntly as I did. That is why the report is so confusing, except the main message of no capital in VJA-GTR area.Otherwise they would have suggested conversion of forest land around amaravthi or nuzividu, and build the capital in VJA area. So there we have - an administrative capital will come in VJA-GTR area no matter what.

[SagarAg]

The fourth capital of the Andhra people will be Vijayawada-Guntur. Decision taken. #TwitterBuzz

[Yagnasri]

^Expected line if it is true. There will be agitations organised against this in Rayalaseema by Jagan supporters and complains of non development in Rayalaseema will be there. It will be like a daily serial.

[ramana]

See the parallels to Telangana Movement.

The Hindu Book Review on Pre-History of Shiv Sena

Link

Shiv Sena’s pre-history

Suhas Palshikar

A research work dating back to the 1970s traces the roots of regionalism in Mumbai

THE EMERGENCE OF REGIONALISM IN MUMBAI — History of the Shiv Sena: Sudha Gogate; Popular Prakashan Pvt. Ltd., 301, Mahalaxmi Chambers, 22, Bhulabhai Desai Road, Mumbai-400026. Rs. 495.


Suhas Palshikar

Politics of regionalism in India has always attracted attention for a variety of reasons. Regionalism may be seen as an unavoidable consequence of democratic contestations during the process of nation-building within a diverse society. Therefore, it is necessary to understand the factors that shape regionalism and the character of regional politics. The issues of language, material resources and identity are often intricately woven in the politics of regionalism. Shiv Sena represents one particular expression of such regional politics and therefore, has been a subject of scholarly attention right from its early days.

In the mid-seventies, a scholar of Sociology undertook her Ph.D. research on this phenomenon. The book under review is the outcome of that research. The author, Sudha Gogate, did not have the opportunity to revise her dissertation for purposes of publication since she passed away in 1987. This book therefore, is a doctoral dissertation written in 1978 and has neither the benefit of the author’s subsequent revisions nor the advantage of being brought up-to-date. In spite of this limitation, this book has a very valuable relevance for those who want to understand Shiv Sena’s rise and also to those who want to address the complex issue of linguistic and regional identity in the context competitive politics. While existing works on Shiv Sena attempt to depict the working of the Sena, the personalities involved and the social composition of its activists in early years, etc., this work has a distinct advantage. It introduces us to the pre-history of Shiv Sena.

Marathi mind

The researcher has meticulously gone through contents of large-circulation Marathi newspapers of Mumbai in order to test the hypothesis that the rise of Shiv Sena was based on a sense of injury and ‘relative deprivation’ (sense of being deprived of a group’s rightful share in material and symbolic resources) among the Marathi people of the city. While the researcher seems to be mildly sympathetic to the sense of injury, she has presented here not her assessments and views, but a narrative of what was going on in the ‘Marathi mind’ during much of the decade of 1960s. She argues that those sentiments of unease, injury and deprivation constituted the normative support the Shiv Sena could muster in its early years.

This work looks at news reports, editorial comments and readers’ letters in the Marathi newspapers published from Mumbai related to issues of job opportunity, migration of non-Marathi people, non-use of Marathi language in the public sphere, etc. What would strike the reader today is the fact that when Shiv Sena was formed, a feeling of deprivation already existed among the educated sections of the Marathi community of Mumbai. Bal Thackeray and Shiv Sena were of course enterprising enough to give that feeling a concrete political expression. But if they had not seized the initiative, the issue would have been addressed by some other organisational vehicle. In fact, as this work shows, an organisation called Maharashtra Hitwardhini had already made its appearance.

This research, for the most part, does not try to establish if ‘objectively speaking’ the Marathi people were discriminated against or not in the Mumbai of the 1960s. Its emphasis is more on the subjective perceptions of the Marathi people.The social-cultural atmosphere of Mumbai of that time is the key factor to understand how and why Shiv Sena and regionalism came to exist in Mumbai. During the protracted struggle for the formation of the Marathi speaking state, one key issue of contestation was the city of ‘Bombay’. While Guajarati speaking people had staked a claim to Mumbai, some prominent citizens of Mumbai were toying with the idea of making the city a separate politico-administrative entity. In response, the pro-Maharashtra agitation spent lot of intellectual energy and political acumen on arguing that Mumbai belongs to Marathi people. While public figures like Atre were making strong and populist political arguments why Mumbai should belong to Maharashtra, economists like D. R. Gadgil were part of those seeking to make a cogent socio-economic argument in favour of the Marathi view point. The Communists were also arguing that given the Marathi character of the working class of the city, it was a product of and so belonged to the linguistic community from which most workers came.

Newspapers’ role

In this sense, the issue of Mumbai was already there in the consciousness of the Marathi middle class. In addition to this, one of the most difficult and repressive moments during the agitation — the firing on demonstrators — took place in Mumbai. Subsequent to the formation of Maharashtra in 1960, the discourse of Marathi pride and control over Mumbai by Marathi people continued. The newspapers in the city played an important role both during the movement and after the formation of the state. This research work very effectively (though mostly unintentionally!) brings out this dimension of the shaping of Marathi identity politics. Many have retrospectively realised that the vigour and bite of Thackeray’s language had a close resemblance to that of Acharya Atre, the stalwart of the Samyukt Maharashtra Movement who also ran a popular Marathi daily, Maratha . But more than that, the writings in Maratha —editorials in particular — which are referred to in this book, may be seen as precursors to the language of pride, identity and resistance that Shiv Sena and Thackeray popularised later. Not only that, as this book reports, in 1964, Atre had announced his intention to start a new youth organisation which was to be named as Shiv Sena! His offices were located in the building named as Shiv Shakti. In this sense, both a feeling of deprivation and an expectation that united action by the Marathi people was necessary, already existed for quite some time before the formation of Shiv Sena in 1966. The belated publication of this book would help readers appreciate that the rise of regionalism and of Shiv Sena was a development shaped by both the history of the formation of the Marathi-speaking state and the politics of Mumbai city after 1960.

Note the timing of mid 1960s. In retrospect Telangana sentiment is also an expression of regionalism.

[ShyamSP]

See the parallels to Telangana Movement.

The Hindu Book Review on Pre-History of Shiv Sena

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Note the timing of mid 1960s. In retrospect Telangana sentiment is also an expression of regionalism.

TRS/KCR expressed a lot of times they will be like Shiv Sena. Of course with some peeversion towards other Telugu people and fetish for Nizam.

[Rony]

TRS/KCR expressed a lot of times they will be like Shiv Sena. Of course with some peeversion towards other Telugu people and fetish for Nizam.

Those highlighted parts are a contradiction.ShivSena is a Maratha Hindu Nationalist organization which agitated against Non-Marathas (South Indians to begin with and Hindi people later on ). Shiv Sena never agitated against people of Vidarbha for example and asked them to get out of Mumbai. Infact SS is against a separate Vidarbha state as it does not want to divide the maharashtra state. In that respect, it is closer to TDP stand in united AP.TRS on the other hand was agitating against Telugu people onlee. It has no problem with either Muslims or anyone else. SS even in its grotesque form would never be a dhimme, the reason why i respect it inspite of its maratha regionalism. TRS is nothing but a dhimme + anti-Andhra. A SS eqvivalent in Telugu lands would be either TDP adopts more Hindutva or TRS abandons its nizam/dhimme fetish and its anti-andhra attitude even while espousing Telangana regionalism. Neither of the options will happen anytime soon.

[ramana]

Rony, If you step back you can see that KCR and his family have taken over a regionalism movement for their own purposes. Left to itself it would have evolved in Shiv Sena format. However KCR is afraid to lose power to Congress or BJP in that order. Hence his embracing MIM.
So its KCR that is the problem and not Telangana.

[Rony]

So its KCR that is the problem and not Telangana.

Agreed

[ShyamSP]

^^^
Rony,
Model wise they are *like* Shiv Sena. They copied regionalism ideology and goondaism.

[Rony]

History literally comes back to life

Call it coincidence or design, river Krishna is back to some historical significance. Andhras built Amaravati, on its banks, as capital city way back in 3 Century BC and now with the report on Sivaramakrishnan Committee on capital is out, the government has sent enough feelers that the Vijayawada, Guntur, Tenali and Mangalagiri (VGTM) region will be a suitable location for capital.

Incidentally, VGTM, if decided, probably happens to be the 13 capital location of Andhras who had their first capital here centuries ago. Andhras were never at peace as far as the capital city is concerned. As per known history referred in the ancient Sanskrit Indian text Aitareya Brahmana (800 BC), the journey of the Telugu speaking people that began with Assaka Maha-Janapada settlement between Godavari and Manjeera rivers in southern India served as the first capital of Andhras.

The capital was then shifted to Dharanikota (present Amaravati) during 2 century BC to 2 century AD under Satavahana rulers who ruled most of the country from here. It was then shifted by Ikshvaku dynasty to Vijayapuri (Nagarjunakonda) on the banks of Krishna in the same century. The capital was again shifted to Kanchipuram in Tamil Nadu during Pallava rule from 4 to 6 century. Later, it was Kodur, Kapotapuram, Vengi and Vinukonda which served as capital cities during the rule of Bhihatpalayanas, Anandagotrikas, Salankayanas and Vishnukundins.

The seventh capital took shape at Warangal during the rule of Kakatiya and Chola dynasties for a robust 600 years. Then was the golden era of Srikrishnadevaraya’s Vijayanagara empire with Hampi in Karnataka as capital during which period Telugu was regarded as the best of the languages in the country. However, the capital for Andhras was torn between Hampi and Golconda/ Hyderabad followed by Madras Presidency under the British till Independence.

Later, the separatist Telugu movement by the legendary Potti Sriramulu and Tenguturi Prakasam Pantulu led to the first Andhra state on linguistic basis with Kurnool as capital in 1953. Later, the same was merged with Hyderabad after the Nizam dynasty gave in to the Indian government in 1956. While Hyderabad remained as the capital city of Telangana post division of the Andhra Pradesh in February, 2014, the rest of the region which retains the original name is scouting for the capital city.

However, historians opine that selection of VGTM for capital is more of the political convenience than a historical significance. “Historically Andhras or Telugu people had many capitals under several dynasties. The region near Amaravati is just a political decision and no historical perspective to it,” said Professor of History V. Ramakrishna of Hyderabad Central University.

[RamaY]

^ Thanks Rony garu!

Was reading Adivi Bapiraju books & was thinking the same. The capital moved to kings location instead of kings occupying existing capital. Something to think about!

[Rony]

^^

It is quite similar to shifting of capitals in Chinese history along with the change in dynasty - Anyang, Beijing, Luoyang, Nanjing, Xian etc

Meanwhile, TV 5 says Vikuntapuram village near Amaravati (Guntur district) on the banks of Krishna will be the capital of Andhra Pradesh. Assembly, Raj Bhavan, Secretariat will be located at Vikuntapuram .Vikuntapuram is famous for its Venkateshwara Temple.Govt lands present adjacent Vikuntapuram . It is also located within 50 KM from Vijayawada and Guntur towns.Plan is to set up High Court at Mangalagiri (Guntur district). Second option for the capital is Agiripalli village in Krishna district.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3au_To ... 2FH4cE4RKw

[RamaY]

Rony Garu,

Its same throughout Bharatiya history. The Dilli fetish started with (naturally) the Asuras. Earlier too Asuras were fascinated with Amaravati, which isn't their natural capital.

Amaravati, Moolasthana, Lankapura, Ayodhya, Magadha, Indraprastha and so on...

It is also good thing for new Chakravartin for he is at his natural socio-political network instead of managing already entrenched power-network (like Lutyens).

That's why Modiji is saying, he was a Gujarati in Japan and Moorkh burkas or Buradarajans can't get it!

[ShyamSP]

History literally comes back to life

However, historians opine that selection of VGTM for capital is more of the political convenience than a historical significance. “Historically Andhras or Telugu people had many capitals under several dynasties. The region near Amaravati is just a political decision and no historical perspective to it,” said Professor of History V. Ramakrishna of Hyderabad Central University.

This area is always a gravitational center for Telugu people. It is center in many aspects - geographical, cultural, financial, agricultural, intellectual, aritistic aspects. Political convenience is how and why all other Capitals formed. You can't beat gravity. Gravity wins finally.

[Supratik]

Vijaywada will be new capital.

https://in.news.yahoo.com/andhra-prades ... .html?vp=1

[Rony]

This area is always a gravitational center for Telugu people. It is center in many aspects - geographical, cultural, financial, agricultural, intellectual, aritistic aspects. Political convenience is how and why all other Capitals formed. You can't beat gravity. Gravity wins finally.

Isn't the Vijayawada-Guntur-Tenali-Mangalagiri area historically called Kammanadu/Kammarashtram ? May be its not politically correct now a days to use that word and instead we come up with English acronyms like VGTM. My understanding is the word Kamma (similar to the word Hindu) initially signified a geographical area and inhabitants of those area before it acquired a casteist meaning. Because of the Buddhist influence and many people adopting Buddhism > area came to be known as Kamma (From Sanskrit Karma/Pali Kamma )> Then people from that area came to be known as Kamma > The name stuck even after people re adopted Vedic lifestyle > Centuries later, it acquired a caste meaning when modern caste system came about.

[RamaY]

^ Not correct Rony garu.

Pls read Adivi Bapiraju novels on Satavahana, Ikshwaka times (200BC-600AD).

Kamma is a caste (family tree) with origins in Brahmin/Kshatriya/Sudra roots. Kamma probably came into existence only in past 6-700+ yrs.

By similar logic, we must call Telangana Doranadu and Seema Reddinadu.

This anti-Kamma thing is half self-made and half induced enemity by others.

[Rony]

RamaY garu, you are right the Kamma caste is relatively new. But the word 'Kamma' predates the caste and it signified geographical area before that , no ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kammanadu

[Yagnasri]

In fact people say most of the business in Coimbatore were created by them. Lot of Naidus there.

[RamaY]

RamaY garu, you are right the Kamma caste is relatively new. But the word 'Kamma' predates the caste and it signified geographical area before that , no ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kammanadu

I see the reference to inscriptions. But Satavahanas, Ikshwakus and Vishnukundinas all are Brahmins or Brahmana-Kshatriyas.

We need to find the root of the word Kamma.

[RamaY]

I hope they take one of those ancient temples near Vijayawada, Guntur areas and make a capital around that with Krishna River as backdrop.

Imagine a Central Park kind of thing within 1Sq KM connected with nallamala forests using green corridors (50-100 mtrs) like sudarshana chakra and Krishna River flowing thru the city.

Let's see what they will come up with....