Telugu States' News and Discussion

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Postby RamaY » 08 Feb 2015 07:09

Why can't AP give a list of capital structures they want and let center to fund them?

I smell rat with these blanket 20,000Cr demands from CBN. Is He trying to divert some of the money to other projects.?

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Postby Yagnasri » 08 Feb 2015 07:16

AP local BJP people hate TDP and others. Basic BJP people in AP are from RSS. They do not have money etc and have no power. I have not come accross of BJP people coming to support TDP. There is nothng BJP local people can do as of now. They have agreed to division and were promised somethings. So they are left to have nothing. 25 MP seat will go in 2019 unless some careful management of politics are made. I am not advocating money etc. What I am asking is to use brains first. Just ignoring any state be it AP or anyother state is no longer an option. There is serious EJ danger.

20K cr shall not be given. But there can be other non financial benifits can always be given.

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Postby ShyamSP » 08 Feb 2015 10:07

RamaY wrote:Why can't AP give a list of capital structures they want and let center to fund them?

I smell rat with these blanket 20,000Cr demands from CBN. Is He trying to divert some of the money to other projects.?



Numbers* are not important, people will see if Indian government, read BJP, is following Raj Dharma or not. People will blame CBN for that he couldn't secure for state building but main blame will be targeted at BJP unless people didn't watch TVs with BJP leaders pounding on division and making all promises.


*His number 2 years ago before bill is passed is many times the amount he is asking now.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 08 Feb 2015 10:14

RamaY wrote:Why can't AP give a list of capital structures they want and let center to fund them?

I smell rat with these blanket 20,000Cr demands from CBN. Is He trying to divert some of the money to other projects.?


If not mistaken he did the same thing with the ABV govt and succeeded to an extent, then ditched the ABV govt.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby ShyamSP » 08 Feb 2015 10:40

chetak wrote:
RamaY wrote:Why can't AP give a list of capital structures they want and let center to fund them?

I smell rat with these blanket 20,000Cr demands from CBN. Is He trying to divert some of the money to other projects.?


If not mistaken he did the same thing with the ABV govt and succeeded to an extent, then ditched the ABV govt.


You're wrong. check your facts

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Postby chetak » 08 Feb 2015 12:18

ShyamSP wrote:{quote="chetak"}{quote="RamaY"}Why can't AP give a list of capital structures they want and let center to fund them?

I smell rat with these blanket 20,000Cr demands from CBN. Is He trying to divert some of the money to other projects.?{/quote}

If not mistaken he did the same thing with the ABV govt and succeeded to an extent, then ditched the ABV govt.{/quote}

You're wrong. check your facts



@ShyamSP, Sirji,

Here you go.

Knock your self out!

There are hundreds more from where these came. :)

BTW, ditched politicians have long memories.


Sulk and succeed



May 17, 2002

Sulk and succeed

Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Nara Chandrababu Naidu has invented a new political game: sulk and succeed. It is an art India's CEO chief minister has been playing neatly and deftly to his state's economic advantage.

In the last two-and-a-half years Naidu has sulked at the way Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee has handled sensitive issues and the manner in which the premier has dealt with partners in the National Democratic Alliance.

Naidu's Telugu Desam Party, considered the Bharatiya Janata Party's 'most trusted and valued ally,' has often threatened to review its support to the Vajpayee coalition. The TDP has, on at least two occasions, talked of walking out of the NDA. First, during Vajpayee's crisis in March when the Vishwa Hindu Parishad threatened to built a Ram temple at Ayodhya and then in the aftermath of the communal killings in Gujarat.

But, despite his 'grave' threats to the Vajpayee government, Naidu has not withdrawn support. He is unlikely to pull the rug from under the prime minister's feet in coming months because, as both his aides and Opposition politicians point out, Naidu is the one politician who has benefited immensely from every crisis that has loomed before Vajpayee.

"No other NDA partner has exploited Vajpayee as much as Naidu has done. Naidu has managed to get rice, money and investment benefits as a fallout of every crisis Vajpayee has faced. It is a new political game he is playing, but it is a game without principles and morality," says K Ramachandra Reddy, a local Communist Party of India leader in Hyderabad.

No other partner in the NDA has the knack of influencing and winning Vajpayee over the way Naidu does. So much so, TDP leaders privately call him the most successful political bargainer in the country. Naidu's advantage stems from the fact that the TDP, with 28 members in the Lok Sabha, is the second largest partner in the Vajpayee-led NDA coalition.

TDP leaders claim Naidu has the room to demand the maximum out of the NDA government because his MPs are not ministers in Vajpayee's government. When Vajpayee patched together the NDA government in October 1999, many believe Naidu stayed out of the government because he wanted to bargain on economic matters for the benefit of Andhra Pradesh.

No other NDA partners have received the largesse the Vajpayee government has bestowed on Naidu in the last two-and-a-half years. Listed here are some of them:

To defuse the crisis the Vajpayee government found itself in when communal riots gripped Gujarat in March and April (this was the second time the TDP threatened to walk out of the alliance), Naidu was pacified with 1.5 million tonnes of rice for Andhra Pradesh. In fact, in the last year, Andhra Pradesh has been the biggest beneficiary of Vajpayee's rice bonanza. Naidu claims he needs huge amounts of rice for the food-for-work programme that his government has launched in the state. Andhra Pradesh produced seven million tons of surplus rice last year.
When the tehelka.com defence scandal hit the government last year, Vajpayee pacified Naidu by gifting Andhra Pradesh the headquarters of the Insurance Regulatory and Development Authority office in Hyderabad.
Among all the states, Andhra Pradesh has been allocated the largest share of funds for rural development. In the last year, the Vajpayee government allocated Andhra Pradesh a whopping
Rs 2,500 crores for rural development.
On Vajpayee's instructions, the aviation ministry granted Naidu Rs 545 crores for the construction of a new international airport at Shamshabad, on the outskirts of Hyderabad.
Naidu lobbied hard and ensured Vajpayee gave an extension in service to his bureaucratic nominee, Cabinet Secretary T R Prasad. The CabSec, who was to retire on July 31, 2001, continues in his post.
Whenever foreign investment requests reach the Vajpayee government in New Delhi, it is Naidu who picks up the most glamorous companies. Microsoft, for example, set up its India Development Centre in Hyderabad.
With aid from the Vajpayee government, Naidu also set up the Indian School of Business in Hyderabad. IBS is affiliated to the Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania, and the Kellogg Graduate School of Management, Northwestern University.
In this year's Budget, Finance Minister Yashwant Sinha considerably cut government subsidies on kerosene, cooking gas and fertiliser prices. But, under pressure from the Andhra Pradesh chief minister, Sinha was forced to roll back to a certain extent from his original decision.
K Yerran Naidu, the TDP's leader in the Lok Sabha, denies the allegation that Chandrababu Naidu has been exploiting the Vajpayee government. "Like every political party and every state government, we have also demanded economic help for the progress of Andhra Pradesh from the Vajpayee government. We have never linked our political support to Vajpayee to corner economic advantages. It is nonsense to say we have been arm-twisting Vajpayee whenever he has been faced with a political crisis," Yerran Naidu told rediff.

The crises brought about by tehelka.com, Ayodhya and Gujarat no longer affect the Vajpayee government's chances of survival. But the TDP has so deftly milked the Centre for cash and kind that it appears it is only waiting for another crisis to hit the Vajpayee government so that it can use it to Andhra Pradesh's economic advantage.

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14 April 2002

BJP TELLS CHANDRABABU TO GET LOST IF HE WANTS SO

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PANAJI (GOA): The Telugu Desam Party's protest at the Bhartiya Janata Party politically capitalising communal carnage of Gujarat by deciding to go for a snap poll brought out in open the trio who matters in taking the real political decisions in the BJP.

The trio consists of Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, Home Minister Lal Krishna Advani and Parliamentary Affairs Minister Pramod Mahajan. They huddled together in a room in the Raj Bhawan here Saturday night for almost an hour holding strategic session and talking to TDP Chief and Andhra Chief Minister Chandrababu Naidu.

The clear message given to Naidu is to go ahead and bring down the Vajpayee Government if he wants to hoist the Congress in power if the next Lok Sabha elections are forced in this manner. A top BJP source said the party wanted this to happen a couple of months later but it will not bend backward to sack Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi or scuttle the Assembly's mid-term poll decided to seek the people's fresh mandate.

Watching the drama were all those invited for a banquet hosted in the honour of the Prime Minister by Goa Governor Mohd Fazal. Even BJP President Jana Krishnamurthi was among the spectators and Vajpayee did not even stop to tell him about the outcome of his telephonic conversation lasting nearly 20 minutes as he sped away in the car.

The trio swiftly moved to an ante room as soon as the dinner was over and Mahajan picked up the phone just after ten minutes of conversation among themselves to call up Naidu in Hyderabad. The call over, they could be seen from distance talking among themselves and then it was a long call by Vajpayee himself.

While none of them were ready to say anything, sources close to Advani said Naidu has been told in firm terms by Vajpayee that his TDP will be responsible for any breakup of the National Democratic Alliance (NDA) in power at the Centre and that he should see the wisdom that any hasty decision would help none but the Congress to come to power if the government falls and there is a mid-term Lok Sabha poll.

Local daily Herald Editor Rajan Narayan directly confronted the Prime Minister as he was rushing to get into the car, asking him as to what is going to happen in Gujarat. Vajpayee, however, remained tight-lipped. He, in fact, did not speak to any of the assembled BJP leaders either.

Insiders say the BJP is already apprehensive of its vote bank shrinking fast as seen from the recent Assembly elections and as such it wants to revive its own agenda that has given it so many seats in Parliament. All the same, the BJP does not want to take the blame for breaking up the NDA and as such it is just waiting for any of the major allies rock the NDA boat. It will be seen as the BJP being the victim and not culprit of breaking the alliance.

As the insiders point out, the BJP is least concerned as to the vote banks of other allies or about their views at the cost of its own base that is required to be revived as fast as possible. When Advani told the party's national executive on the second day of its 3-day session that ended here on Sunday that there is no reason to be apologetic about the BJP's own ideological moorings, he was giving the diktat to get ready to canvass the BJP agenda to get back the votes that it has lost in trying to pursue the policy of appeasement of the NDA allies.

It will be no more so, though the BJP will keep harping on not ditching the NDA or its common minimum programme and thus put the blame on others if they desert the NDA. That itself will give a clear message to its party cadres that the BJP is no longer going to play soft in advancing its agenda that it had put on the backburner for the sake of the unity of the NDA coalition. END

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A time to introspect
Paranjoy Guha Thakurta
Tuesday, May 18, 2004

A time to introspect

It would be inaccurate to look at the support that Mr Chandrababu Naidu's received as something borne out of sheer naivete. This section of the Indian elite genuinely believed he was a role model for the country's future politicians. Yet, all the money that Mr Chandrababu Naidu received from New Delhi by arm-twisting the outgoing National Democratic Alliance did not help him win the support of his people.


THOUGH like all Indian politicians, he always claimed he was with the poor and the downtrodden, Mr N Chandrababu Naidu has paid a stiff price for his espousal of economic policies that helped the well-off. His political opportunism certainly did not help him after nine years as Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh. Those who had felt the pulse of the majority of the people living in southern India's least developed State were not in the least surprised by what happened. On the other hand, there were many who were simply astonished at the manner in which Mr Chandrababu Naidu's Telugu Desam Party and its ally, the Bharatiya Janata Party, were summarily thrown out by the State's voters.

In the latter category are individuals who were obviously taken in by the media hype surrounding a person who claimed he was the most "computer-savvy" and "forward looking" Chief Minister . This category would include most businesspersons (including representatives of multinational corporations) and sections of the media (especially the English language media and specifically, the financial media) that had lauded Mr Chandrababu Naidu as some sort of a demi-god among the chattering classes.

True, Mr Chandrababu Naidu's media management skills were excellent. But it would be inaccurate to look at the support he received from chambers of commerce and the financial dailies as something borne out of sheer naivete. This section of the Indian elite genuinely believed he was a role model for the country's future politicians. There were indeed some who were gullible enough to fall for his public relations pitch. However, this section that worshipped Mr Chandrababu Naidu sincerely hoped his strategy of wooing foreign investors and the World Bank would work wonders for Andhra Pradesh's economy.

Yet, all the money that Mr Chandrababu Naidu received from New Delhi by arm-twisting the National Democratic Alliance headed by Mr Atal Bihari Vajpayee did not help him win the support of his people. Cyberabad, he claimed, would be shining like never before. Yet, among those who voted against the TDP Government were not just the rural people of the State who had been reduced to penury by four successive years of drought. The poor of the twin cities of Hyderabad and Secunderbad were evidently not particularly impressed with the claims of a transparent, efficient and corruption-free government.

Unlike his father-in-law, N. T. Rama Rao, who had initiated a scheme to provide rice at Rs 2 a kg, Mr Chandrababu Naidu had argued strongly against populist programmes, which he felt were economically not sustainable. Such arguments may have been applauded in seminars and conferences conducted by industry associations and chambers of commerce.

However, the logic of cutting subsidies was hardly appreciated by poor farmers of the State, certainly not by the families of the hundreds of farmers who reportedly committed suicide over the past few years. Mr Chandrababu Naidu's decision to hike power prices was clearly resented by many in the State. He had also increased water tariffs and bus fares.

His successor Mr Y. S. Rajshekhar Reddy has now promised free power to farmers. What this strategy would do to the State's debt burden remains to be seen. But the new Chief Minister certainly believes free electricity will not lower his popularity rating.

It is also evident today that Mr Naidu could not address the aspirations of the people of the Telangana region. We all become more intelligent by hindsight, but there is something to be said about Mr Chandrababu Naidu's political opportunism that was deliberately ignored by large sections of the media. Some of his flip-flops are worth recounting.

Mr Chandrababu Naidu became a member of the Andhra Pradesh legislative assembly for the first time in 1978 on a Congress(I) ticket. He served as a minister in the state government between 1980 and 1983 before quitting the Congress(I) and joining the TDP that had then just been founded by NTR. Few today remember the fact that Mr Chandrababu Naidu had stood staunchly behind Indira Gandhi's younger son and Ms Sonia Gandhi's brother-in-law Sanjay Gandhi many months after the 19-month Emergency had ended in March 1977.

Mr Chandrababu Naidu turned against his father-in-law and broke the TDP after NTR had served a fourth (and last) term as Chief Minister. His political stature rose rapidly after he became the convenor of the United Front coalition that came to power in New Delhi after the May 1996 General Elections. However, after the outcome of the February 1998 elections became known, Mr Chandrababu Naidu demonstrated his opportunism by ditching the UF almost overnight.

The former Congressman claimed the very existence of the TDP depended on it continuing to oppose the Congress. Although he stood to alienate nearly 20 per cent of the voters of AP — mainly Muslims and Christians — Mr Chandrababu Naidu aligned the TDP with the BJP after bidding farewell to the Left parties who had aligned with him. In the September-October 1999 Lok Sabha elections that were conducted simultaneously with the Assembly elections in the State, the TDP returned to power but with a reduced majority.

Thereafter, he went on an even bigger publicity binge. He met Mr Bill Gates in the US, invited him to his state capital. He welcomed another American Bill (Clinton). He set up the high-profile Indian School of Business and became the first Chief Minister to head a State government in India that obtained a Rs 2,200-crore loan from the World Bank, that too, despite the economic sanctions that were imposed in the aftermath of the May 1988 nuclear tests. However, none of these actions appear to have made a positive impact on the electorate of Andhra Pradesh.

Mr Naidu had, on many occasions, asserted the TDP's "independence" from the BJP on issues such as Ayodhya. He kept underlining the fact that his party was not a part of either the Vajpayee Government or the National Democratic Alliance. Yet that did not stop him from arm-twisting the "friendly" regime in New Delhi for more funds for calamity relief and for procurement of rice. This did not seem hypocritical to him.

The Andhra Pradesh Government represented before the Eleventh Finance Commission that it should not be "discriminated" against vis-à-vis less developed States for having "performed" well — that is, by bringing down the rate of growth of population in the State and by improving education and health-care facilities.

However, even if Mr Naidu was successful in this regard, clearly large sections of the electorate expected much more from him. In this regard at least, his situation is comparable to that of the former Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister, Mr Digvijay Singh, whose party had to pay a price for his government's unpopularity not only in during the December 2003 assembly elections but also this time round during the Parliamentary polls.

Time and again, the TDP sought to highlight its secular credentials by opposing the points of view expressed by those in the Vajpayee Government on the 2002 communal riots in Gujarat. In April 2002, the TDP formally called for the ouster of Mr Narendra Modi as Chief Minister of Gujarat.

The TDP had also protested loudly in Parliament when the Government tried to introduce a Bill seeking to ban cow slaughter all over the country in August 2003. Were the minorities in Andhra Pradesh then satisfied with Mr Chandrababu Naidu's secular credentials? Even if they were, they do not appear to have voted for him and his party.

While campaigning in his state, Mr Chandrababu Naidu sought to temper his pro-rich image. He talked about his Janmabhoomi scheme as a programme of community participation to build projects in rural areas.

He clearly did not succeed in convincing his constituents about the efficacy of the scheme. One should not write off Mr Chandrababu Naidu's career at this juncture. He has many years left in politics. But he certainly needs to introspect hard.

(The author is Director, School of Convergence, International Management Institute, New Delhi and a journalist with over 25 years of experience in various media — print, Internet, radio and television. He can be contacted at paranjoy@yahoo.com.)

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby ShyamSP » 08 Feb 2015 12:44

Google search gives that NDA including TDP completed term and fought 2004 elections and BJP and TDP split in 2005 when Jesus lady in control with house-slave PM. Where is the case of ditching ABV government.

By the way TDP and BJP don't share same ideology to be like conjoined parties. They are free to work together or go separate ways.

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Postby chetak » 08 Feb 2015 12:52

ShyamSP wrote:Google search gives that NDA including TDP completed term and fought 2004 elections and BJP and TDP split in 2005 when Jesus lady in control with house-slave PM. Where is the case of ditching ABV government.

By the way TDP and BJP don't share same ideology to be like conjoined parties. They are free to work together or go separate ways.


You said that I was wrong and asked for proof which I gave it to you.

The proof is conclusive on the political character of naidu. ABV was an universally acknowledged gentleman politician. How much of the money and other things that were forcibly wrested from the center by naidu actually reached the people is also well known.

Most politicians are like this onlee. JJ, mamta, MSY, patnaik, mayawati, pawar, uddav thakeray, omar abdullah, mehbooba etc are prime examples. If they would have won more seats and NaMO did not have a majority on his own, all of them would have done to NaMO what naidu did to ABV. All of them have the same political character onlee

naidu is what he is. he has not changed one bit. His father in law's ghost may have many interesting things to say.

My last on this.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Dasari » 08 Feb 2015 22:44

I don't condone BJP's flip flop on AP reorg bill. But if you apply their core slogan of fiscal discipline, this is no surprise. It is foolish to start a grand capital at the outset when the state is so cash starved. The credibility of special status demand is completely undermined when on one hand the state dishes out Rs 60000 crore for unprecedented loan waiver and on other hand wants to build a lavish capital.

What the state requires for next 10-15 years is a place for his employees to do the admin work. May be a capital with less than Rs 5000 crore is what is required. Nothing more. Swallow the false pride of rivaling Telangana/Hyderabad in every aspect. First bring the state finances in order by focusing on revenue generation. So the most critical piece for AP state is special status, at least some part of the state. The next one to attack is the completion of Polavaram. Grand capital can be the result of a very successful state but grand capital cannot result in successful state.

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Postby ramana » 08 Feb 2015 22:50

Dasri garu very clear thinking there.
I believe SEZs and Special Status are there or on way.
I also believe the increase in petrol taxes is to get financial stability.
Polavaram is he river linking project and should be pitched as early pickings for NaMo's plan.

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Postby chetak » 08 Feb 2015 23:38

scamgress, knowing what was coming (and hoping to lay the ground for 2019), followed a scorched earth policy and left the kitty empty, along with plenty of landmines like pending issues of coal, power, gas, environment, land acquisition, and what else not. Naidu could have lessened his burden greatly and easily by not doing the loan waiver. It was very foolish of him. His last electoral debacle seems to be playing on his mind too.

Who is naidu making the grand capital for?? Himself perhaps, to prove that he can make another hyderabad-cyberabad clone?? on a much grander scale??

There are other more deserving states in desperate need for special status and have been waiting for a much longer period.

solemn promises have been made in other states too.

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Postby ShyamSP » 09 Feb 2015 02:32

chetak wrote:scamgress, knowing what was coming (and hoping to lay the ground for 2019), followed a scorched earth policy and left the kitty empty, along with plenty of landmines like pending issues of coal, power, gas, environment, land acquisition, and what else not. Naidu could have lessened his burden greatly and easily by not doing the loan waiver. It was very foolish of him. His last electoral debacle seems to be playing on his mind too.

Who is naidu making the grand capital for?? Himself perhaps, to prove that he can make another hyderabad-cyberabad clone?? on a much grander scale??

There are other more deserving states in desperate need for special status and have been waiting for a much longer period.

solemn promises have been made in other states too.


BJP has done more dramas the scamgress. What Naidu is doing for state is irrelevant as it is Center bailing out on responsibility. Nobody cares Congress as it doesn't exist in AP any more so next culprit is BJP.

If BJP doesn't do much, it leaves no choice for TDP but leave the Government. (This can termed ditching the government unlike before 2004 where TDP is outside supporter only)

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Postby Vayutuvan » 09 Feb 2015 02:48

ramana garu: Any news on river linking? That is a project that can change the face of India, provided any negative ecological impact is mitigated. Otherwise the GreenPeace types will go to town with Medha Patkar and Susanna A. Roy, Aruna Roy, and other Magsasay and man booker winners in tow or the other way round.
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Postby ramana » 09 Feb 2015 04:12

In Dec near Eluru I saw the Polavaram canal excavation going on. Its cavernous canal.

The rest they are working on project report. Needs lots of funds to finance. Most likely by floating infrastructure bonds in New York.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 09 Feb 2015 07:12

Eluru is in W. gOdAvarai, IIRC.

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Postby RamaY » 09 Feb 2015 07:16

Yep, Eluru is HQ of WG dist. Ramana ji you should check google earth/maps to see the network of Polavaram canals.

Mahatma YSR dug all the canals first to get the contractors work (and associated bribes) even though the projects themselves are suffering decades of delays.

Some say, what can we use the Dams without canals... So there you have YSJ supporters.
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Postby Hari Seldon » 09 Feb 2015 07:16

^Yup. Distt capital of W godavari zilla.

Moi too saw the polavaram canals last month, on a road trip to Rajmundhry and back.

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Postby Muppalla » 09 Feb 2015 07:25

Polavaram is a game changer as it links Krishna and Godavari rivers. The Krishna district will not see pure Krishna water after polavaram completes. It will be a mix of Krishna and Godavari rivers.

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Postby Yagnasri » 09 Feb 2015 08:27

Most of you do not understand the sense of hurt due to insults of the TRS for 10 years. Yes logically it is stupid to have a grand capital etc rubbish. But it is not logical ideas that win votes. It is emotions. Emotions are being fanned to have a grand capital and that is all. Loss of Chennai long back and now Hyd will all the insults seems to have forced the leaders to make a grand capital ( and loot in the process).

BJP need to give whatever it has promissed during division. If was promissed by MMS and BJP leader both together in RS voting particularly. Jetlee was also there. He can not now say there is no money and other orguments. NM also promissed that he will not abandon AP. What he did for that last many months for AP. Even a new railway division was not given.

I am not advocating any money. But tax and other benifits can be given. Mumbai Delhi industrial carridor etc can also be done as Nellore to Srikakulam costal carridor etc.

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Postby ramana » 09 Feb 2015 08:59

Yagnasri you have banking background. Everything is money. Either to center or state. Lets see. In meantime build up everything.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 09 Feb 2015 09:45

Narasapuram was wg capital AFAIK. eluru must be eg's capital. Rajamundry is in eg and not the capital nor is kaki nada which is also in eg, right?

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Postby ShyamSP » 10 Feb 2015 23:15

RamaY wrote:ShyamSP garu,

I know your valid bitterness against Modi Sarkar for not giving the sops that were promised to AP during state bifurcation.

CBN wants to build a new capital with 1,00,000 crore cost and want center to fund most of it. I disagree with this crazy idea without hesitation.

I would rather GoI spend this 1L crores to finish Jalayajnam projects (in combined AP+TG) to the end and also setup 5-10 national educational/research institutes in new AP state.

I always argued to put national programs above regional programs. Lets not use BJP's failure in Delhi to blame Modi for everything else. To me all Bharatiyas are same. I will spend the money (at least for next 5yrs) in building national projects based on pure cost/benefit analysis.

Make In India is a policy issue and GoI and states must encourage industries to setup shops in india by carefully tweaking the tax regime like they did in automobile sector. GoI should limit its role in developing necessary infrastructure.


Number are negotiable. When CBN is doing investments from state funds any Center help will relieve state from other burdens. Sheer amount of new industrial areas require huge state investments too along with social/political projects such as loan-waiver. For TDP is is hard lesson from 2004 so it can't ignore political/social projects/subsidies, regardless whether we view such things as waste of money.

Jalayagnam sponsored YSR criminal enterprise. Pouring more money is like pouring into Yagna Homam. Other than Polvaram and a few other projects, it is best to slowdown or defer rest.

As for tax-tweaking, special status will do the same and even that is not given.

Main problem is BJP built trust-deficit already which will bite when time comes. Delhi elections showed Core-vote block is not enough to win seats.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 11 Feb 2015 03:59

matrimc wrote:Narasapuram was wg capital AFAIK. eluru must be eg's capital. Rajamundry is in eg and not the capital nor is kaki nada which is also in eg, right?


Sorry my recollection is all wrong. For the record (posting from Wikipedia)

West gOdAvari: ElUru and narsApuram are the loksabha constituencies. Eluru is the district HQ.

East gOdAvari: kAkinADa, amalApuram, and rAjamunDry are the loksabha constituencies. kAkinADa is the district HQ.

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Postby Yagnasri » 11 Feb 2015 09:24

ramana wrote:Yagnasri you have banking background. Everything is money. Either to center or state. Lets see. In meantime build up everything.


The issue is what AP is going to with money needed for crating a viable state. It means it need to have infrastructure, investment for creating industry, manufacturing, Trading facilities like sea ports and so on. I feel AP should create a Development Board immediately. Create SPV for establishment of mafufacturing hubs, industrial estates, Software parks etc. Build the roads etc on BOT mode. Advantage for AP is there is a clear 4 lane road on the entire coast. It can be connected with 4 lane roads to all major ports now under development.

Nellore is next to Madras. Ananthapur is next to Bangalore. There is 24 hours power in AP. So if serious efforts are made to create manufacturing hubs, software hubs in these areas, lot of jobs will come here for the said two cities which are already over crowded and costly to create/do any business.

Already TN is going ahead with SPVs for infra and I am personally involved in this. It pains me to see this idiot CBN going with same kind of stupidity now mixed with YSR level corruption and robinhood welfare rubbish. He is fast becoming a curse on Telugu people.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 11 Feb 2015 11:03

One thing I asked and got no response was CBN is also quite involved in the AP division because of his plan to benefit in both states if the division happened. He gave a letter agreeing to the division. Yet how is he the CM of Andhra Pradesh? How come no one is taking him to task? And whats with the skull cap and all that?

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Postby Muppalla » 12 Feb 2015 08:01

Dasari wrote:I don't condone BJP's flip flop on AP reorg bill. But if you apply their core slogan of fiscal discipline, this is no surprise. It is foolish to start a grand capital at the outset when the state is so cash starved. The credibility of special status demand is completely undermined when on one hand the state dishes out Rs 60000 crore for unprecedented loan waiver and on other hand wants to build a lavish capital.

What the state requires for next 10-15 years is a place for his employees to do the admin work. May be a capital with less than Rs 5000 crore is what is required. Nothing more. Swallow the false pride of rivaling Telangana/Hyderabad in every aspect. First bring the state finances in order by focusing on revenue generation. So the most critical piece for AP state is special status, at least some part of the state. The next one to attack is the completion of Polavaram. Grand capital can be the result of a very successful state but grand capital cannot result in successful state.


Let us assume that this state is not bifurcated and there is no need for new capital. Would that give the state enough revenue to not beg center? Both the states are reeling under revenue deficits of gigantic proportions. The bloody hell started the day NTR became CM with populist Rs2 kilo rice. The competitive populism continued till date with farmer loan waiver by CBN and 48% salary increases to employees by KCR.

AP enjoyed the story of spending more and grabbing more from center under congress tent or coalition tent. The whole reason why the two central parties colluded to divide the state and make two monkeys to jump up and down.

If CBN rebels against BJP or not who cares and BJP never said it will give all that AP needs in first hundred days. Show the fiscal discipline then the promised funds come in trenches. But non-fund policy stuff will be given as a priority. Scores of industrial corridors, roads, institutions are given approval. Even the waterways are given with approval to AP corridor as first phase. The CM was sent to shop for his state in Davos etc. Utilize the investment vehicles and grow. Don't beg too much. On one side the communities boast of wealth of the east but on other side keep begging.

The whole wait for central funds is like " allah (means bifurcation) ke naam pe dhe dhe ra baaba". There are ways to raise the revenues. Increase the petrol price, excise taxes and collect them properly.

The capital fund will be given by center as bear minimum that is needed for running the government and not to build a Singapore. For that it has to do BOT.

The days of blackmail are over and this is a new reality that the country's regional parties have to live. CBN has capability to do better job and he is doing it as well.

Be a man and behave like a CEO of AP again. Cut the government employees, computerize it, remove subsidies, putt tolls all over and get the revenues. Andhras are filthily rich. :)

The only thing they really should fight with center if polavaram is not delivered in time and lobby for more industrial packages.

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Postby Yagnasri » 12 Feb 2015 08:20

He will never win elections if he believe like a CEO. That is the problem. Good governance and reasonable welfare measures has to go hand in hand in AP. Not one at the cost of another. C.B.N. had to win the elections and promissed son moon and entire galaxy to people. Now trying to do rubbish all over the place. As I posted earlier state will become viable only if it support enterprise. Not speculation.

BJP will get the blame in the end as entire AP is left to rot by its central leadership. Venkayya do not care for AP at all. Nirmala Sitaraman whose husband is the chief Adviser to CBN is also not doing much for AP. I do not mean money wise. I mean creating some good educational institutions etc. AP sorely needs them. At present CBN is selling education shops though his minister P Narayana. No public spending is there on education is there. Same is health care. Also being sold by people like P Narayana. It is widely seen that CBN abandoned many areas of AP like Rayalaseema and allowing Jagan to grow back.

From the start I suspected that CBN is not Gondalf but Saroman. Battle for Telugu lands yet to start.

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Postby a_bharat » 12 Feb 2015 08:45

ramana wrote:One thing I asked and got no response was CBN is also quite involved in the AP division because of his plan to benefit in both states if the division happened. He gave a letter agreeing to the division. Yet how is he the CM of Andhra Pradesh? How come no one is taking him to task? And whats with the skull cap and all that?

Remember, CBN went to polls in 2004 on Samaikya Andhra plank and lost to YSR + TRS combo. In 2009, he thought he could win in alliance with TRS and switched to separate-T stance and lost again. In 2014 elections he went with the message that INC, TRS, and YSRCP all colluded to divide the state in an unjust manner to destroy TDP; that plus alliance with Modi helped him win the polls; Modi himself made lots of promises to AP but is not currently seen to be a man of his words (at least in AP).

CBN's supporters see him as someone working against all odds; his critics see him as the same old CBN, fast losing the support of the voters.

What is there to be surprised of the skull cap thing -- even BJP CMs do it. CBN anyway is from the psecular side, but is flexible enough to do business with BJP when it suits him.

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Postby Altair » 12 Feb 2015 13:02

There are couple of things which are holding up. BJP and RSS have asked few members of their choice to be in TTD Board. This was rejected by CBN.
Secondly, there are couple of leaders(Xn) whom Center wants CBN to get rid off. CBN rejected this as well.
KCR obliged one such request and got DyCM removed and also made all appointees to Govt bodies to be made only after the intelligence agencies gave a go ahead.

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Postby Yagnasri » 12 Feb 2015 13:17

We can never hope CBN to have any vision. Only headstrong and arrogant.

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Postby ShyamSP » 12 Feb 2015 13:21

Altair wrote:There are couple of things which are holding up. BJP and RSS have asked few members of their choice to be in TTD Board. This was rejected by CBN.
Secondly, there are couple of leaders(Xn) whom Center wants CBN to get rid off. CBN rejected this as well.
KCR obliged one such request and got DyCM removed and also made all appointees to Govt bodies to be made only after the intelligence agencies gave a go ahead.


Those rumors don't make sense.

RSS and BJP man is the minister of Devadaya Shaka. TTD/Tirupathi is CBN own place so why should he give control? Infact if RSS wants it they should ask Simhachalam board control which, from recent news, was suggested by Collector (maybe a psec guy) to sell 8K acres land. Visakha is also happening place and its own contituency.

As for the second point, can you give who those leaders are?

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Altair » 12 Feb 2015 13:36

TTD/Tirupathi is CBN own place so why should he give control?

Are you for real? Tirupathi is not the property of CBN for him to give control to anyone. All RSS is asking is more decentralizing of the most powerful temple in India. There is a huge gujju population who visit the temple and donate a lot. They are also actively in many volunteer works on the hills. Is it too much to ask?
There are few Xn ministers in CBN cabinet who are very much into EJ activities. They must go. Its either carrot for now or a huge danda later. CBN chose the later unlike the other "moon" who acted wisely.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Dasari » 17 Feb 2015 07:33

If this is true, we need to wonder what does BJP stand for? Somehow I think this is wishful thinking from TRS. In spite of everything they uttered, the fact that they get easy access to Modi is itself very puzzling.

TRS may join Team Modi; Kesava Rao, Kavita to get Union jobs

Speculation was rife in political circles that the Telangana Rashtra Samiti would join the NDA government at the Centre, even as Chief Minister K. Chandrashekar Rao had a one-on-one meeting with Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Sources told this newspaper that Mr Rao met Mr Modi without any aides on Monday evening, triggering widespread speculation that the meeting was to lay the groundwork for the TRS formally joining the government at the Centre.

During his earlier meetings with Mr Modi, Mr Rao had always taken his aides and senior leaders with him.

There are also rumours that TRS secretary general K. Kesava Rao and Mr Rao’s daughter and MP, Ms K. Kavita, will be made Union ministers if the CM decides to join NDA.

The TRS, however, officially dismissed suggestions that the meeting had any political connotations. Senior leader B. Vinod telling this newspaper that the only agenda was development of Telangana. “Rest is all mere speculation,” he said.

A party source said that Mr Rao was unlikely to join the Union Cabinet before GHMC elections where MIM, an ally of the TRS, is a strong contender.

Kavita, on her part, has dismissed such speculations every time the issue has cropped up.

A senior TRS leader told Deccan Chronicle said that he had checked with the CM’s aide about the speculations and he dismissed the reports as “figment of imagination”.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Hari Seldon » 17 Feb 2015 07:53

^TRS votes in rajya sabha needed to pass (or fail) many important bills. Same with ADMK, BJD, NCP et al. No surprises there.

Joining NDA etc does seem like musharraf sourced reporting, however.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby a_bharat » 20 Feb 2015 21:23

N Chandrababu Naidu ‏@ncbn 2h2 hours ago
Thankful to the Ministry of External Affairs for choosing me to lead the Indian delegation to China from April 1st to 6th. Honoured!

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Rony » 22 Feb 2015 18:29

A full scale Christian conversion of Tirupati is going on.Check at the video links from ABN and NTV in the below report. Whether Hindus like or not, a Christian jihad is going on in Tirumala. CBN is not upto the task. Andhras will suffer because of their own follies. But where is the VHP and Bajrang Dal ? This is the right place to break some legs.I am surprised there is no alarm bells ringing yet in nagpur. If Andhras are incompetent in slowing down EJ menace, they need help and intervention, even forceful intervention. This is not just a Andhra issue anymore.

Evangelism rocks Tirumala Tirupathi Devasthanams (TTD) again

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Altair » 23 Feb 2015 17:01

Can we have a BRF meet in Hyderabad/ Vijayawada? I have a feeling, This budget session will be very interesting.Lot of sparks will fly. Would be nice to meet during the time. I can arrange a nice resort in Hyderabad for dawat-e-hind.. :twisted:

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Hari Seldon » 23 Feb 2015 17:24

^^moi is all in for a br meet in hyd... :)

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Altair » 23 Feb 2015 17:36

Hari garu ,
Please start a thread for BR Hyderabad meet.


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