Telugu States' News and Discussion

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 02 Mar 2015 18:10

SandeepA wrote:TDP is going to town with its campaign that AP got an unfair deal. BJP is not even making the right noises anymore. AP will be a lost cause soon, no party will want have anything to do with the BJP for a long time. Almost everyone in my extended family/friends voted BJP/TDP in 2014 now I am the only supporter left!

was just now watching the TV. Only the TDP POV is being pushed. no reps from to talk for the BJP side. With such a hostile press, why would the BJP even bother.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 02 Mar 2015 18:29

chetak wrote:was just now watching the TV. Only the TDP POV is being pushed. no reps from to talk for the BJP side. With such a hostile press, why would the BJP even bother.

Why not sirji. All media house owners have side businesses and all of them have invested (RE) in new capital region of AP. If there are no central dole outs, the new capital will go under hammer, so as the media barons investments, so they are all aiming at Modi/BJP.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 Mar 2015 19:01

Rony wrote:^^

That may be true in BRF world but not in real world. If you want to see whats happening in real world, listen or read Telugu media (if you can read or understand Telugu that is). BJP has completely lost the perception game here. Of course since BJP had no base in the first place in AP, it may not hurt much in short term.Before BJP is considered morally superior to Congress at least among some middle classes. Now, the perception is going even in moral sense that BJP=Congress=Delhi which wants to hinder Andhra's growth. This is even in pro-BJP hindutva people.All these chankian explanations and some grand strategy by BJP in Andhra is just a hot gas. The BJP leaders in the state are incompetent. Had they had such brains, BJP would not be in this situation in the first place. Without strong BJP local leadership, Central BJP tactics can take you only so far. Had anyone seen Venkayya's press conference ? That is the state of BJP. I see even seasoned gurus think thats its intentional fall guy roll. lets hope it is for BJP's and our blood pressures sake . But i think he genuinely goofed up and the press conference accurately captures the state of BJP in AP.

There is not a single genuine Telugu media. BJP is at zero and it is still zero. They are playing a game of PK being messiah and his clout is working kind of smoke screen

Unfortunately everyone is back to putting their caste lines blurrs over issues even when they all bash center. For example, PK fans and TDP supporter clashed at Benz circle in Vja. Finding a neutral guy is very difficult. There are scores who say, center has to give the sops but they should ensure the credit should not go to CBN. These lines will be exploited best.

Even though on paper there is support for grand capital in Guntur dt, but the real feelings are very different in non-Kamma groups in AP. It is a fact and when you confront with stats folks may relent and say yeah yeah but same old red lines are working. The capital may come up grand as CBN is taking as a prestige but it could be 2004 redux after grand HYD buildup.

PK as a catalyst and VN as fall guy is the game being orchestrated. Come on we all know VN can beat anyguy with his words on anyday and his pathetic press conf tell the story.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 02 Mar 2015 19:06

Rony wrote:^^

That may be true in BRF world but not in real world. If you want to see whats happening in real world, listen or read Telugu media (if you can read or understand Telugu that is). BJP has completely lost the perception game here. Of course since BJP had no base in the first place in AP, it may not hurt much in short term.Before BJP is considered morally superior to Congress at least among some middle classes. Now, the perception is going even in moral sense that BJP=Congress=Delhi which wants to hinder Andhra's growth. This is even in pro-BJP hindutva people.All these chankian explanations and some grand strategy by BJP in Andhra is just a hot gas. The BJP leaders in the state are incompetent. Had they had such brains, BJP would not be in this situation in the first place. Without strong BJP local leadership, Central BJP tactics can take you only so far. Had anyone seen Venkayya's press conference ? That is the state of BJP. I see even seasoned gurus think thats its intentional fall guy roll. lets hope it is for BJP's and our blood pressures sake . But i think he genuinely goofed up and the press conference accurately captures the state of BJP in AP.

no offense, saar but a few points.......

The state and it's affected folks will have their points of view, right or wrong and that will carry the maximum weight, because they are the only ones who will vote and make the difference.

It's also sure that the BJP will not surface in the state again in any effective way. This is thanks to naidu and as per his plan to subdue the BJP and keep it under his control for his purposes. With his narrow margin of victory, he seems to have failed miserably and also shot himself in the foot.

But it's also equally true that the center has it's POV and that has to prevail under the circumstances. The scamgress had purposely emptied the coffers and left a bare cupboard for the BJP following it's scorched earth policies.

The country has to recover form the excesses of the scamgress and everyone has to tighten the belt. in this era of prudent and pragmatic financial management, naidu's stone age thinking has no place. Whose father, what goes, if AP does not have a singapore like capital?? Which other state has one??

No one in the center will take on debt to please naidu who recklessly and without consulting anyone waived off loans when there was no need to do so. No one even asked for the waiver. It would have been understandable if there was drought or some other exacerbating situation but it was just to ensure his own survival at the cost of other people's money.

The promises were made by the scamgress in parliament, solely to push through their bifurcation agenda. Foolishly the BJP supported it just like they supported the land acquisition bill, for mere and dubious electoral gains, and are now trying against great opposition to amend it. All this was done with Modi not in the picture. He has a very different agenda and thinking which was not understood by naidu when he dug himself into a 60K crore hole all by himself.

Why would Modi carry on with foolish and damaging false electoral promises made by the opposition and that too, an evil and corrupted party that engineered the bifurcation that was vehemently opposed by the state's own parliament, and a party that has sucked the country dry for over 60 years now??

If there was spare money, the center would have helped a reasonable guy but naidu is not reasonable and is demanding tens and tens of crores without wanting to account for it and that massive ego is just out to build a memorial for itself with grandiose and improbable plans of a singapore like capital without the discipline of singapore.

If you have indulged in compulsive populism you have to pay up some time for the folly. for naidu, such a time has come. AP should blame him or ask him to explain, beg forgiveness from farmers and take back the 60K crore waiver. He then will have all he money that he needs.

Who is suffering in AP?? are they suffering like people who are having difficulty for daily living in the northeast or in ladakh?? with grim shortage of essential commodities, daily violence and very very poor social indicators?? What naidu is demanding in cash is more than the budget outlay of all the seven northeastern states together and this, he wants for a CAPITAL??

naidu has PM ambitions. in his mind, such an egoistic person as he is, he must be thinking that if a mere chaiwalla can become PM then he, naidu should be much more acceptable by right and he could overawe Modi by his sheer royal presence.

after some such reckless talks with Modi, he found it very difficult to even get an appointment with the PMO.

His bullying of the ABV govt worked because ABV was a gentleman and naidu, most certainly, was/is not one. He also thinks that because of his cyberabad works, he is a superior CM and there is no one like him in the country. he continuously tom toms his work in hyderabad and the shock of how he lost the elections because of his neglect of the farmers has been his nightmare all through out his days in the wilderness.

Solution as per him was, 60K crore ka karza maaf kar do immediately, and build himself a memorial capital called naidu nagar and he will get moksha and go straight to heaven.

Ticket cost (first class) for heavenly trip to be borne by other people onlee.

It is only a very rich state or one with a very foolish CM who can forgo 60K crores. The state people must decide which statement is true.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Mar 2015 22:04

In 2004 I had a thread called "Naidunomics" which in the main explored why he concentrated economic development on Hyderabad only and left the rest of the state go to ruin. Off course people got upset at the thread.. Now we see history repeating itself.

But let him carry on. By denying BJP any foothold in the state he has made AP irrelevant to them. They have better chances in TG, Karnataka and TN. Kerala doesn't look too bad either.

Krishna-Guntur is an odd region: has the wealthiest agriculturists, top industrialists, top writers, intellectuals, top movie business interests.

On the other hand has top Naxals and Commie leaders. Its the nursery for Justice party types show stoked DMK ideology in TN. Which in turn stoked LTTE.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 02 Mar 2015 22:06

Muppalla wrote:
Rony wrote:^^

That may be true in BRF world but not in real world. If you want to see whats happening in real world, listen or read Telugu media (if you can read or understand Telugu that is). BJP has completely lost the perception game here. Of course since BJP had no base in the first place in AP, it may not hurt much in short term.Before BJP is considered morally superior to Congress at least among some middle classes. Now, the perception is going even in moral sense that BJP=Congress=Delhi which wants to hinder Andhra's growth. This is even in pro-BJP hindutva people.All these chankian explanations and some grand strategy by BJP in Andhra is just a hot gas. The BJP leaders in the state are incompetent. Had they had such brains, BJP would not be in this situation in the first place. Without strong BJP local leadership, Central BJP tactics can take you only so far. Had anyone seen Venkayya's press conference ? That is the state of BJP. I see even seasoned gurus think thats its intentional fall guy roll. lets hope it is for BJP's and our blood pressures sake . But i think he genuinely goofed up and the press conference accurately captures the state of BJP in AP.
There is not a single genuine Telugu media. BJP is at zero and it is still zero. They are playing a game of PK being messiah and his clout is working kind of smoke screen

Unfortunately everyone is back to putting their caste lines blurrs over issues even when they all bash center. For example, PK fans and TDP supporter clashed at Benz circle in Vja. Finding a neutral guy is very difficult. There are scores who say, center has to give the sops but they should ensure the credit should not go to CBN. These lines will be exploited best.

Even though on paper there is support for grand capital in Guntur dt, but the real feelings are very different in non-Kamma groups in AP. It is a fact and when you confront with stats folks may relent and say yeah yeah but same old red lines are working. The capital may come up grand as CBN is taking as a prestige but it could be 2004 redux after grand HYD buildup.

PK as a catalyst and VN as fall guy is the game being orchestrated. Come on we all know VN can beat anyguy with his words on anyday and his pathetic press conf tell the story.

Well with 4-5 newspapers and 4-5 channels they cover pretty much whole AP. People are still avid readers of newspapers and watchers of TV and are well aware happenings day-today. Unlike English media, they weren't in general critical of Modi or BJP but now that BJP friendliness that the Telugu people and media had is gone

There is even more support to CBN now than during elections. BJP ditching TDP and going to Jagan will put permanent nail on BJP head if they venture that way. Until TDP and YSRCP are there, there is no scope for any central party to come to AP as they can showcase to people Congress and BJP are the same. It is BJP choice if they want AP in their hat or with opposition, mostly third front. Another new dynamic which never existed is that TDP may support Congress if BJP screws AP. With Congress gone from competition in the state level, TDP may feel safe to lend support at Center to take care of AP interests.

If BJP gets affected in states where it peaked in seats, it may not return in 2019.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 02 Mar 2015 22:44

chetak wrote:Karnataka and TN are in the sights of the BJP. Don't know how much success they will have but they certainly won't muddy the waters and cut their own throat by driving the investment out of these to states to neighboring "special status" AP

What I don't understand is that why should companies of only the neighboring states be interested? There are large construction companies in MH, or WB for example who might be in the running too, especially if their home market is saturated with several contractors who are going after a shrinking pie in a mature market. Same with NCR, Haryana, Punjab, Gujarat as well.

I am missing something. Also, why can't one state compete with the other just like that happens in the US? May be I will have to go through the center and state lists.

I don't understand the excise tax part (and Octroi). What are these and how the money earned used? Is it a hold over from some british era rules or planning commission babugiri?

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 03 Mar 2015 00:17

RamaY: One question I have. Wouldn't 2-3 crop cycle destroy the nutrients in the land that much faster?

So reducing water requirements to take out 2 crops from 30 K acres will help take out one crop out of the 60 K acres. Are you accounting for water requirements of a mega capital of 30k acres? Both in terms of personal use (at the minimum potable water plus additionally for toiletry and cleaning oneself up) and industrial usage. If it is water neutral, you have removed 30k acres of highly fertile land from the basket. Where will be water for 2-3 crops for the rest 60-90K acres? Crops need to be rotated as well as some land needs to remain fallow for a year or so after so many years - IIRC it is about every 3-5 years - also to keep the land renew itself.

Anyway one looks at it, developing any geography superfast will come with a whole bunch of socio-economic problems. This is being seen in China. I hope CBN doesn't fall into the trap that he can develop a Singapore in AP. Singaporean model does not work for a state the size of AP and its geography.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 Mar 2015 00:44

MatrimC garu,

I don't think nutrients will deteriorate if there is proper crop management. People are growing crops for hundreds of years.

You are right, I was doing a simple math. Didn't take city use into consideration for people are using water where they are now (yes they can migrate). But my math is very simple.

Nothing wrong in planning for large cities or even a Bhavya-Capital that CBN is envisioning.

The issue is him demanding central funds for it (claiming losses to Hyderabad) and creating false friction/disappointment in peoples minds. There is no winner in that approach.

If I were him, I will create the plan (looks like in progress), land-regularization (next phase) and then seek Central funds for key Govt buildings (~4-5000 Crores). Then make the city grow organically as per the plan.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Mar 2015 00:59

Karnataka and TN have IT companies. CBN knows how to promote IT based on previous experience. So looks like his focus on those two states.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 03 Mar 2015 02:59

Looking fwd to 'Rudrammadevi 3D' releasing this summer.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ente ... 431976.cms

Some eye candy won't hurt, IMO...

Oh, and here's the trailer itself...
https://t.co/YmuWvwZZ04

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 03 Mar 2015 03:19

ShyamSP wrote: Well with 4-5 newspapers and 4-5 channels they cover pretty much whole AP. People are still avid readers of newspapers and watchers of TV and are well aware happenings day-today. Unlike English media, they weren't in general critical of Modi or BJP but now that BJP friendliness that the Telugu people and media had is gone

There is even more support to CBN now than during elections. BJP ditching TDP and going to Jagan will put permanent nail on BJP head if they venture that way. Until TDP and YSRCP are there, there is no scope for any central party to come to AP as they can showcase to people Congress and BJP are the same. It is BJP choice if they want AP in their hat or with opposition, mostly third front. Another new dynamic which never existed is that TDP may support Congress if BJP screws AP. With Congress gone from competition in the state level, TDP may feel safe to lend support at Center to take care of AP interests.

If BJP gets affected in states where it peaked in seats, it may not return in 2019.

Regarding media, take out E-TV and some minor stuff, most of them have anywhere from 10% to 75% Jagan's money. Just like Modi does not have 100% grip, even CBN does not have yet. Lot of posturing only going on.

BJP is just not there anywhere in the ecosystem of AP. Even if there are some niceties for Modi, it hardly translates to votes. The niceties come and go. Interesting point is both BJP and CBN talks to Pawan Kalyan (who cannot even keep the count of his wives or even a constant wife) as some super man of AP. Who the hell is he and why both TDP and BJP making him big? He goes to Guntur and talks to so called affected farmers and then meets CBN. Now they do a drama of getting back to farmers taking CBN's message as though CBN is not meeting them regularly. Hilarious stuff. Similarly he is to meet Modi along with CBN on budget issues. Give me a break. Is he some Bal T of AP or what? That is what seems to me a big fishy stuff in AP politics. The whole thing looks to me like some match fixing with all stuff like fall guys etc.

When the whole media, state are angry with non allocation of "promises", Jagan is quite and no statement as though he is counting number of crores that ED attaches at regular intervals.

BJP is not going with Jagan for sure otherwise why would they warn CBN against even " thinking about Donakonda as capital ". I see the whole move as something afoot to create a complete vacuum with TDP Vs nothing in the state politics. That nothing is where via this super man Pawan Kalyan, BJP want to ride 2019. This is kind of nice for CBN too as catching up to a level of win for new hotchpotch conglomeration of BJP is not easy. For BJP anything greater than zero with a hopeful future is a win. No congress or no YSRC.

If this all confusion does not end and solidify towards stability, Congress will again revive from Andhra Pradesh.

Couple of wild rumors on twitter - (1) JP may merge into BJP with a ministry at center. (2) KCR is not well and his family wants to merge TRS into BJP.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 03 Mar 2015 08:23

Yellow man's burden

http://ecdn.andhrajyothy.com/Files/2015 ... 504151.jpg

http://epaper.andhrajyothy.com/news?cat ... y=20150303

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 03 Mar 2015 08:42

^^^^^^^^
The folks from AP will know best, the actual ground situation. no one says that the BJP will or will not align with this or that party. It's just that their options are open to counter naidu and it's easy to see the BJP options for causing damage to naidu, just like naidu himself is doing to others.

naidu is crying hoarse publicly because he himself, by his ego, has foolishly boxed the AP state into a corner with all escape routes closed. people will realize this on their own and soon too.

The grand capital scheme is a real estate scam and for the many folks who are happy , there will be many more who had invested in the wrong place and are now very unhappy with naidu. The backlash will be his alone to bear.

his incompetence has resulted in this mess, the trigger was the 60K crore loan waiver. No world bank or japanese consortium will touch his govt with a barge pole and he has also queered the pitch for at least, the one or two govts that will follow him.

naidu has failed to game the situation correctly because of his over confidence in his "ability" to manage the BJP. As per him, hud hud was a godsend excuse and very valid reason for the BJP to throw all rules and regulations into the wind and simply gift him tens of thousands of crores for his personal use. This is like omar abdullah saying that he needed 15 lakhs per household for the rehabilitation after the floods and additional money for the state as well.

In this day and age, if folks have not invested in insurance for flood or cyclone damage in areas known to be affected by such phenomena, why should the center or state foot the bill?? The returns to the BJP for special treatment as demanded by naidu is too meagre for them risk pissing off other states with similar demands. Weighed in the national balance, silence is the best option for the BJP.

The AP and J&K damage survey and assessment was done by professional agencies and their realistically assessed amounts agreed to by the center and only that amount was to be given to the affected states. the state govt would have also, for sure, deputed it's own reps, during such an assessment to protect it's own interests. Modi personally visited both states immediately to get a sense of the damage for himself. This amount given by the center was for emergency rebuilding of public services and infrastructure only. In the case of BPL or slums the state govt bears a moral responsibility to rebuild and that should be done immediately on SOS basis but for well earning folks with plenty of other options why would the govt, (center or state) do that??

Insurance is there for that very single reason only. The govt of the day can at best, instruct the insurance companies to be quick and generous in their payouts by relaxing some conditions but beyond that what further is expected??

If low IQ morons in bangalore, kerala, sitting squarely and safely on the very solid and safe Deccan plateau, can insure their houses for every calamity, including against earthquakes, why would not affected folks do the same in coastal areas and flood prone areas??

I strongly suspect that a vast majority of the houses and buildings in the affected areas are already so insured and naidu, like omar is simply playing to the gallery with dangerous consequences.

If naidu is so interested in welfare, then why not simply raise petrol/diesel prices by 15-20 rs per liter in the state, jack up municipal, house and building taxes, raise alcohol and tobacco prices by 300 %, entry & commercial taxes by 300% and explain politely to the people and convince them as to why he had to do it. He will get enough money.

Didn't 'mother" teresa succeed famously (and even win a nobel!!) by convincing poor people that their salvation lay in personal suffering?? naidu can also easily do the same, save his state simultaneously and also win himself a nobel in the process. Aren't his own, self confessed, project management skills legendary??

Does he not have the b@lls to bite the bullet or does he simply want only other people (center and BJP) to bite his bullets??

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 03 Mar 2015 11:44

ramana wrote:Karnataka and TN have IT companies. CBN knows how to promote IT based on previous experience. So looks like his focus on those two states.

The very same states from where the BJP is trying to further it's own agenda and will stand to lose heavily in terms of goodwill and electoral gains?? Karnataka is eminently doable for the BJP and in TN, it hopes at best, to push forward substantially incrementally.

naidu actually wants to develop competing industrial centers close to chennai and bangalore without ruffling ANY feathers??

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 03 Mar 2015 17:18

I see lot of posturing on loan waiver scheme here. That is just a political promise by wily CBN. The reality is 85 per cent Andhra Pradesh farmers ineligible for loan waiver which means the burden on the state because of that scheme is exaggerated.So using that as a excuse to beat CBN/deny funds won't fly around.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 03 Mar 2015 18:04

Rony wrote:I see lot of posturing on loan waiver scheme here. That is just a political promise by wily CBN. The reality is 85 per cent Andhra Pradesh farmers ineligible for loan waiver which means the burden on the state because of that scheme is exaggerated.So using that as a excuse to beat CBN/deny funds won't fly around.

even the reduced 20K (?) crores is not affordable as a giveaway at this stage.

what's the crying need for the bhavya "naidu" capital?? Whose father what goes, if the capital grows organically like all other cities in India??

apart from naidu, who else is clamoring for such a "singapore" capital??

Why not clearly declare landholder particulars in the proposed region of the capital??

with the center willing to fund required/essential buildings why the persistent demand for tens of thousands of crores??

sampat · Post by **sampat** » 03 Mar 2015 18:57

Hari Seldon wrote:Looking fwd to 'Rudrammadevi 3D' releasing this summer

Oh, and here's the trailer itself...
https://t.co/YmuWvwZZ04

Anushka looks stunning in traditional attire. She is the reason I started watching Telugu movies

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 03 Mar 2015 20:06

Breathtaking Kakatiya arts in simhasan and sword! Very very special indeed.

More jewelry could have been apt. Long time back, I saw a pic of very graceful royalty from Mysore.
Can't find now, but some similar pics.
http://article.wn.com/view/2013/10/23/M ... _Purnaiah/
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/23 ... 648529.jpg
http://www.kamat.com/database/pictures/21304.htm

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 04 Mar 2015 02:54

chetak wrote:even the reduced 20K (?) crores is not affordable as a giveaway at this stage.

Giveaway by whom ? AP govt did not ask the center to waive off the loan. That money is coming from AP's own budget.

chetak wrote:what's the crying need for the bhavya "naidu" capital?? Whose father what goes, if the capital grows organically like all other cities in India??

Irrelevant ! BJP and Modi himself in Tirupati promised Central assistance for formation of capital. His exact words are something like "We will help in making AP capital similar to Delhi". Nobody is expecting a Delhi like capital but if its not possible to keep promises, then the central govt should come and tell pointedly that they cant keep the promises they made and they were just election gimmicks. Some people may feel sad initially but they will get used to BJP = Congress after sometime.But it is these "we will help we cant help" like confusing and contracdictory statements which is making people nervous. Clarity is what is being asked here.

chetak wrote:apart from naidu, who else is clamoring for such a "singapore" capital??

Many actually . Just look at the Andhra twitterati or letters to editors in telugu newspapers. Wherether its right or wrong is a different matter.

chetak wrote:Why not clearly declare landholder particulars in the proposed region of the capital??
with the center willing to fund required/essential buildings why the persistent demand for tens of thousands of crores??

I personally am against a grand capital but the crux of the issues i feel is lack of clarity from both sides. TDP is not being honest about what it means to be a "singapore like capital". BJP is not being honest about what it can actually deliver and what it cannot and and its communication with AP people is pathetic.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 04 Mar 2015 04:33

ramana wrote:In 2004 I had a thread called "Naidunomics" which in the main explored why he concentrated economic development on Hyderabad only and left the rest of the state go to ruin. Off course people got upset at the thread.. Now we see history repeating itself.

But let him carry on. By denying BJP any foothold in the state he has made AP irrelevant to them. They have better chances in TG, Karnataka and TN. Kerala doesn't look too bad either.

Krishna-Guntur is an odd region: has the wealthiest agriculturists, top industrialists, top writers, intellectuals, top movie business interests.

On the other hand has top Naxals and Commie leaders. Its the nursery for Justice party types show stoked DMK ideology in TN. Which in turn stoked LTTE.

highly educated, successful, ambitious. but also extremely "fractious". and powerful "egos" as well.

K-G elites can be more accurately compared to Italian city-state elites of Renaissance/pre-Renaissance.

geographically also, Italy a very close parallel. the Coastal geography creates powerful trade/mercantile interests with fertile land and large population centers that are economically productive. What allowed Mazzini and Garibaldi to unite Italy in spite of the fractious elites? I suspect we have some lessons to learn there. JMTP.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 04 Mar 2015 04:43

^^

Isn't Italian also called the "Telugu of the West" ?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 04 Mar 2015 05:00

Krishna-Guntur as Italy of the east sounds just about right. We will soon have a similar proportion of Hindus in both districts as we have in italy and a similar proportion of Christians too. Guntur in particular is hammered from both sides - 15% Muslims and maybe 20% Christians. And this is the heart of Andhra culture. Good luck to the Andhra folks with the CBNs & Jagans. That the whole Christianisation (Italianisation!) of Guntur-Krishna was engineered by an EJ priest under the guidance of an Italian mafia queen just about completes the irony.

You can say what you like about KCR's politics, but at least, he is not beholden to the EJs. He is taking them out of the game with cold ruthlessness. While, on the other hand, CBN can't stop proselytisation at Tirupathi or drawing of crosses in front yard of the TTD or universities.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Mar 2015 05:20

Looks like that statue to Soniaji should have been raised in K-G area!

member_28533 · Post by **member_28533** » 04 Mar 2015 05:21

Concept - so Brilliant, Execution - such a disappointment.

Dont need to see entire movie but the special effects suck and so does the acting.

Will turn out to be another major dissapointment like the "Sri Rama Rajyam" movie.

Seems no body other than SS Rajamouli can direct good periodicals.. Simple reason - lack of attention to technical details.

Hari Seldon wrote:Looking fwd to 'Rudrammadevi 3D' releasing this summer.
Oh, and here's the trailer itself...
https://t.co/YmuWvwZZ04

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 04 Mar 2015 08:02

Rony wrote:I see lot of posturing on loan waiver scheme here. That is just a political promise by wily CBN. The reality is 85 per cent Andhra Pradesh farmers ineligible for loan waiver which means the burden on the state because of that scheme is exaggerated.So using that as a excuse to beat CBN/deny funds won't fly around.

Unless he is disqualifying them based on some obscure technicalities, this can't be less than $50k. But if he does, it not a bad thing for the state as there is no way AP state can afford to write off $50+k loans.

In all the responses by BJP to the allegations, I hear conciliatory and reassuring comments from BJP leaders when it comes to Polavaram and special status but not much on capital city funding. This should give a hint on where the centre stands on this.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Mar 2015 08:30

They'll not fund capital. Polavaram is funded and it's coming from a different vehicle. Special package will come for UA and Seema. Everything in AP will be PPP and BOT model. CBN is capable. This thing is just not about Budget. I am not convinced

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 04 Mar 2015 09:37

Rony wrote: Giveaway by whom ? AP govt did not ask the center to waive off the loan. That money is coming from AP's own budget.

news to me that AP budget has 20K crores to spend on the loan waiver.

Obviously, the center will not waive off any part of the loan. It's entirely the matter of naidu.

What the needless waiver does is that it reduces for AP, the room to maneuver and brings in a lot of constraints. To remove such constraints and continue "investments", naidu wants funding from the center. In effect he wants the center to take the hit for the loan waiver and additionally give him more money to splurge on his next election. Is there anything that he has offered in return??

If there was no waiver, he would have an additional 20K to invest in the future of the state, he would have strengthened his position vis a vis the center, reinforced and prioritized a serious, businesslike approach and created a solid positive impression in the minds of Indian and foreign investors and removed all perception that he was funding his own survival as first priority and not the rebuilding of the shattered state. The needless waiver has given the impression that the new state will be run like another UP under mulayam or worse.

Like in UP and other mismanaged states, if the father gets anything free from the state govt today, rest assured that the same father's son will wind up paying heavily for it in the near future.

naidu's much vaunted reputation is mostly hogwash. it is based mostly on performance in an environment of easily accessible and unaccountable money. By blackmailing ABV, he got a lot of money from the center. Some he no doubt, spent on the erstwhile AP but whatever happened to the rest?? If the farmers kicked him out, where exactly did he spend so much money?? surely, all of it was not spent on hyderabad??

India is in no position to have the Modi govt involved in any sort of scams like the MMS govt was. If it happens again, we will be sunk internationally and for a very long time to come. The center is extremely apprehensive about this and from the precautions/controls the govt has adopted it is obvious that they will not allow anyone else also to do such things. When large sums of money are floating around one never knows who will do what.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 04 Mar 2015 10:05

chetak wrote:
Rony wrote: Giveaway by whom ? AP govt did not ask the center to waive off the loan. That money is coming from AP's own budget.
news to me that AP budget has 20K crores to spend on the loan waiver.

Obviously, the center will not waive off any part of the loan. It's entirely the matter of naidu.

What the needless waiver does is that it reduces for AP, the room to maneuver and brings in a lot of constraints. To remove such constraints and continue "investments", naidu wants funding from the center. In effect he wants the center to take the hit for the loan waiver and additionally give him more money to splurge on his next election. Is there anything that he has offered in return??

If there was no waiver, he would have an additional 20K to invest in the future of the state, he would have strengthened his position vis a vis the center, reinforced and prioritized a serious, businesslike approach and created a solid positive impression in the minds of Indian and foreign investors and removed all perception that he was funding his own survival as first priority and not the rebuilding of the shattered state. The needless waiver has given the impression that the new state will be run like another UP under mulayam or worse.

Like in UP and other mismanaged states, if the father gets anything free from the state govt today, rest assured that the same father's son will wind up paying heavily for it in the near future.

naidu's much vaunted reputation is mostly hogwash. By blackmailing ABV, he got a lot of money from the center. Some he no doubt, spent on the erstwhile AP but whatever happened to the rest?? If the farmers kicked him out, where exactly did he spend so much money?? surely, all of it was not spent on hyderabad??

Despite what you criticize, it was well known across AP that Capital and Polavaram would be done by Center. Loan-waiver was his political promise to come to power. You can say anything in the hindsight. First and foremost thing was to win. Once he won he fulfilled political promises he made. It is Center and BJP that failed AP. They are not keeping up with their promises but doing more noise.

This is reflected in, in the US lingo, approval ratings from AP - CBN's has gone up a lot and Modi's has gone down to may be <5%.

There are rumors/plans to do statewide protests against Centeral government. things may get messy going forward.

member_28533 · Post by **member_28533** » 04 Mar 2015 10:27

ShyamSP wrote: Despite what you criticize, it was well known across AP that Capital and Polavaram would be done by Center. Loan-waiver was his political promise to come to power. You can say anything in the hindsight. First and foremost thing was to win. Once he won he fulfilled political promises he made. It is Center and BJP that failed AP. They are not keeping up with their promises but doing more noise.

This is reflected in, in the US lingo, approval ratings from AP - CBN's has gone up a lot and Modi's has gone down to may be <5%.

There are rumors/plans to do statewide protests against Centeral government. things may get messy going forward.

I believe center should meet CBN half-way here.. Polavaram is a very genuine demand and should be seen through, wonder why that is not being granted.. special tax zones if not special status to entire state should be opened up in areas with marginal existing infra so that other states will stop cribbing. And there needs to be better communication all the way down to people - local BJP MPs & MLAs are pretty much doing a useless job and so are the spokespeople.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 05 Mar 2015 08:18

Muppalla wrote:They'll not fund capital. Polavaram is funded and it's coming from a different vehicle. Special package will come for UA and Seema. Everything in AP will be PPP and BOT model. CBN is capable. This thing is just not about Budget. I am not convinced

AP capital to be built in Public Private Participation mode
http://timesofap.com/politics/news/ap-c ... -mode.html
...
During a marathon Cabinet meeting on Wednesday, it was decided that the Andhra Pradesh government would raise finances for construction of its capital city and to overcome the revenue deficit through Public Private Participation (PPP), mode, indigenous and foreign investments.
...
Mr Naidu will seek a level playing field the development of AP on par with other states that have been granted special category status and have been given other benefits. “It was decided to give more responsibility to Union ministers i.e. M. Venkaiah Naidu of the BJP and Sujana Chowdary of the TD to follow up with the Centre for doing justice to AP in terms of financial allocations, special incentives and granting special category status.”

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 05 Mar 2015 10:05

ShyamSP wrote:
Muppalla wrote:They'll not fund capital. Polavaram is funded and it's coming from a different vehicle. Special package will come for UA and Seema. Everything in AP will be PPP and BOT model. CBN is capable. This thing is just not about Budget. I am not convinced

AP capital to be built in Public Private Participation mode
http://timesofap.com/politics/news/ap-c ... -mode.html
...
During a marathon Cabinet meeting on Wednesday, it was decided that the Andhra Pradesh government would raise finances for construction of its capital city and to overcome the revenue deficit through Public Private Participation (PPP), mode, indigenous and foreign investments.
...
Mr Naidu will seek a level playing field the development of AP on par with other states that have been granted special category status and have been given other benefits. “It was decided to give more responsibility to Union ministers i.e. M. Venkaiah Naidu of the BJP and Sujana Chowdary of the TD to follow up with the Centre for doing justice to AP in terms of financial allocations, special incentives and granting special category status.”

sirji, no one here is against AP per se. There are many against naidu.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 05 Mar 2015 10:06

ShyamSP wrote:
Muppalla wrote:They'll not fund capital. Polavaram is funded and it's coming from a different vehicle. Special package will come for UA and Seema. Everything in AP will be PPP and BOT model. CBN is capable. This thing is just not about Budget. I am not convinced

AP capital to be built in Public Private Participation mode
http://timesofap.com/politics/news/ap-c ... -mode.html
...
During a marathon Cabinet meeting on Wednesday, it was decided that the Andhra Pradesh government would raise finances for construction of its capital city and to overcome the revenue deficit through Public Private Participation (PPP), mode, indigenous and foreign investments.
...
Mr Naidu will seek a level playing field the development of AP on par with other states that have been granted special category status and have been given other benefits. “It was decided to give more responsibility to Union ministers i.e. M. Venkaiah Naidu of the BJP and Sujana Chowdary of the TD to follow up with the Centre for doing justice to AP in terms of financial allocations, special incentives and granting special category status.”

As long as private enterprises invest on their own without any promise from govt to pay them back in terms of any bonds or loans other instruments, it is fine. Basically, the rest of the state should not be burdened for the extravagance.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 05 Mar 2015 20:38

Folks from Guntur (and AP in general),
Can you please take a look at this?

http://dayspringchildrenshome.blogspot. ... urney.html

Your thoughts welcome.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 06 Mar 2015 01:21

Muppalla wrote:They'll not fund capital. Polavaram is funded and it's coming from a different vehicle. Special package will come for UA and Seema. Everything in AP will be PPP and BOT model. CBN is capable. This thing is just not about Budget. I am not convinced

ShyamSP wrote:
AP capital to be built in Public Private Participation mode
http://timesofap.com/politics/news/ap-c ... -mode.html
...
During a marathon Cabinet meeting on Wednesday, it was decided that the Andhra Pradesh government would raise finances for construction of its capital city and to overcome the revenue deficit through Public Private Participation (PPP), mode, indigenous and foreign investments.
...
Mr Naidu will seek a level playing field the development of AP on par with other states that have been granted special category status and have been given other benefits. “It was decided to give more responsibility to Union ministers i.e. M. Venkaiah Naidu of the BJP and Sujana Chowdary of the TD to follow up with the Centre for doing justice to AP in terms of financial allocations, special incentives and granting special category status.”

As I said in my prev posts, this whole thing going on as protests against budget etc is just smokescreen. It is not about AP interests (they are fine ) and it is about politics.

As I predicted, PK is now going for fast on to death for farmers of Guntur.

. Jagan and its echosystem is being replaced permanently by this catalyst called PK. The TDP may say egoistically that there is no threat or problem. The whole fight against BJP is not about budgets but about an alternative ecosystem that replaces the INC-Jagan is being manufactured. As BJP is still a discredited party in AP due to bifurcation, it still playing " let it continue for some more time ...." but here is my buddy who should not be touched and let him keep the seats warm

.

It will be either TDP Vs nothing or TDP Vs BJP in 2019.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Mar 2015 02:59

chetak wrote:This certainly will not help naidu's popularity.

Telangana firm bags Andhra Pradesh capital project

Hyderabad: Hyderabad-based Satya Vani Projects and Consultants Private Limited (SVPCPL) has bagged the contract to prepare the master plan of the temporary capital of Andhra Pradesh. ... . “Satya Vani was finalised based on its technical qualifications. It executed several projects both in India and abroad,” Mr Rao said.

Mr. Satyanarayana, MTech structures, IITM, could very well be hailing from that area. He might want to re-locate his company to new capital of AP from Hyderabad - TS's loss is AP's gain. That - getting back at TS by inducing TS based businesses to /relocate to AP - is what some AP people wanted, didn't they? Why would CBN's popularity suffer if he is catering to the needs of AP business community who have a strong (strangle?) hold on the Gunturu-Vijayawada-Tenali-Bapatla area?

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Mar 2015 03:06

chetak wrote:jagan may be contained only and only if naidu behaves, otherwise jagan may easily be let loose to sort out naidu who was badly humiliated by jagan's baap YSR. With the threat of prison shackles off and the existing EJ support to jagan, naidu will find it very hard to tackle the BJP.

In the end BJP has to deal with Jagan's EJ corps. As long as CBN does not turn EJ himself, he is like the known (hindooo) devil to the unpredictable (uncontrollable) (christian) angel AKA Jagan.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Mar 2015 03:15

kmkraoind wrote:... the new capital will go under hammer, so as the media barons investments, so they are all aiming at Modi/BJP.

"development of near and dear through crony capitalism" and "development of populace across all economic strata" are mutually exclusive goals.

In the long run it is better for BJP to not go off their publicly stated agenda of "sab ka saath sab ka vikas". By appeasing special interest groups/lobbies/pairavikars they can gain gain a small tactical advantage but then they would be playing to the stereotype BJP is no different from Cong(I) or TDP.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Mar 2015 03:33

ramana wrote:... top writers, intellectuals, top movie business interests.
...
On the other hand has top Naxals and Commie leaders.

intersection between these two subsets is very large.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Mar 2015 04:53

ShyamSP wrote:There are rumors/plans to do statewide protests against Centeral government. things may get messy going forward.

telangANa agitation redux? AU, SVU, Loyola College students/unions will be involved just like the OU unions? But they were roundly criticized for wanting to get out from under the yoke of KG money bags.