Understanding the US - Again

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 31 Aug 2023 10:06

Cyrano wrote: ↑30 Aug 2023 13:23 VR during the primaries said clearly supports the Monroe doctrine and wants everyone to stay away from Western Hemisphere which presumably includes South America which now has 2 large BRICS countries
Great, I hope he will follow through by closing the hundreds of US bases all over the globe starting with Diego Garcia and cedes it to India.

Cyrano ji,

what about these scum staying away from India where these "democratic countries" and upholders of freedom "everywhere", like the fraud, gates, soreass and omidyar network et al operate with impunity and the assured dedicated support from two "patriotic" pillars, infested with commie, naxal and woke ideology

why doesn't VR have anything to say about the regime change elephant in the room, and moreover, their long standing and hard wired policy of decapitation strikes when the geopolitical and the geo-economics narrative in their desired pockets of influence do not suit their global agendas

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 31 Aug 2023 12:46

The US has over the decades either taken down or vassalized many rising powers, be it Germany, Japan, Russia, EU etc. Now its China's turn. Tomorrow it _will_ be India. There is no need to pose a real and credible threat to the US, you just need to get strong enough to say no a few times and try to do your own thing. Monroe doctrine is but a fig leaf and a very slim one at that.

The US and behind it the UK deep state ie rich colonial families that lord in the house of lords to this day, know this as the only way to live and thrive. Its a heady feeling to be able to pull a few levers and get the world to do your bidding, or trigger colour revolutions, engineer regime changes, make or break huge global corporations, bankrupt entire countries, bomb the hell out of anyone who resists, have a paid media that amplifies and extols whatever you want and so on and so on... The lords aren't giving up anything anytime soon to BRICS or woke EU chicks. (thats why BREXIT was necessary) The Biden regime knows that they need to stamp the mounting resistance to this hegemony with all means avl, and they are doing just that, however stupidly and counterproductively. The whole jungle is under threat when the Simba of the moment goes berserk. India needs to be prepared and vigilant for itself first.

I get a feeling VR only has a naive and vague idea of what he is ta(l)king on, even if he successfully made money as a minor cog in the system. Trump knows a bit more but a pot can call the kettle black only so much, and now he is bearing the brunt of the system ie swamp he set out to fight.

For fellow forum birathers getting too excited, and fighting over "VR should be saying this or that", VR is as Indian and Hindu as Sunak or Mylapore Maami. Just the fact that he is not ashamed or tries to hide his hindu identity is a minor victory of shorts, he is fighting a POTUS election, not "BR Jingo of the Decade" election. Grab the popcorn, observe, dissect, comment and enjoy. Dil pe mat lo yaaron....

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 31 Aug 2023 13:35

Cyrano wrote: ↑31 Aug 2023 12:46 The US has over the decades either taken down or vassalized many rising powers, be it Germany, Japan, Russia, EU etc. Now its China's turn. Tomorrow it _will_ be India. There is no need to pose a real and credible threat to the US, you just need to get strong enough to say no a few times and try to do your own thing. Monroe doctrine is but a fig leaf and a very slim one at that.

The US and behind it the UK deep state ie rich colonial families that lord in the house of lords to this day, know this as the only way to live and thrive. Its a heady feeling to be able to pull a few levers and get the world to do your bidding, or trigger colour revolutions, engineer regime changes, make or break huge global corporations, bankrupt entire countries, bomb the hell out of anyone who resists, have a paid media that amplifies and extols whatever you want and so on and so on... The lords aren't giving up anything anytime soon to BRICS or woke EU chicks. (thats why BREXIT was necessary) The Biden regime knows that they need to stamp the mounting resistance to this hegemony with all means avl, and they are doing just that, however stupidly and counterproductively. The whole jungle is under threat when the Simba of the moment goes berserk. India needs to be prepared and vigilant for itself first.

I get a feeling VR only has a naive and vague idea of what he is ta(l)king on, even if he successfully made money as a minor cog in the system. Trump knows a bit more but a pot can call the kettle black only so much, and now he is bearing the brunt of the system ie swamp he set out to fight.

For fellow forum birathers getting too excited, and fighting over "VR should be saying this or that", VR is as Indian and Hindu as Sunak or Mylapore Maami. Just the fact that he is not ashamed or tries to hide his hindu identity is a minor victory of shorts, he is fighting a POTUS election, not "BR Jingo of the Decade" election. Grab the popcorn, observe, dissect, comment and enjoy. Dil pe mat lo yaaron....

small nitpick, Cyrano ji

mylapore maami is not Hindu

despite cynical but piously articulated amriki assertions of "shared values" and all other misanthropic, and hypocritical "democratic" claptrap, India remains alone but within reach of the sharp teeth and fanged maw of the amriki geopolitical machine and the only way to maintain distance and safety, India should grow economically and militarily

our systemic, and socio cultural complexities makes for great difficulty in regime change agendas (but not impossible, remember how khujli was parachuted into dilli), unless they are able to foist some gora blood to occupy the top of the food chain

remember how the accursed eyetalian once held sway over India's industrial levers of power and the free run those pasta swilling mafia goombahs had to access the PMO, as well as, to the members of his family, including their relatives and practically lived in the PM's residence, giving direct instructions and orders to the obsequious babooze

those were the happy days of of the likes of sn@mpr0gett!, and qu@ttr0cch!

the BIF goras yearn for the return of those halcyon days

BTW, even if VR makes it, he will just be the glorified errand boy, just like mylapore maami, and the deep state will ensure that. If they took out JFK,........., anything else is mere child's play for them

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 31 Aug 2023 14:54

Chetak ji,
India is the wild card whose rise has surprised many and many more are still ignorant within and outside. Russia they thought was a diseased bear that they could kick for fun but its mauled them badly. Today's China is a creation of the west and is more fraudulent than anyone cares to admit. EU is a gone case. India's best bet is to let the west and china go at each other and deal with whatever remains after, with Russia and perhaps a Gaullian-Chiraquian France.

VR is an interesting psyops show for the moment.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 31 Aug 2023 23:44

India == USA given the civilizational interlinks. This is unlike any other in the history.

Anglosphere made that bargain with the Empire. We sacrificed and embraced English. This is almost like Potter vs Voldemort. That kind of sacrifice intertwines the souls and the rest is still playing out.

VR is one glaring expression of it.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 31 Aug 2023 23:49

@V_Raman gaaru, I don't get it.

bala · Post by **bala** » 31 Aug 2023 23:57

The US election candidates are clearly marked - Trump and Biden. The question marks are on the VP candidate. Mylapore mami is rank incompetent with very little brain power to articulate anything of substance. If Vivek becomes VP of Trump then things look quite bright for their victory. Both Trump and Vivek have identical outlook on the world stage, China will be screwed to oblivion. India has to wait to formulate its plan/strategy to take advantage of such an outcome.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 01 Sep 2023 00:11

Hmm will Sept see Maami becoming POTUS?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Sep 2023 09:37

The most problematic thing is how the open truth of Biden being a walking robot with little to no comprehension of things around him is not even being talked about in the MSM of the US. Another problematic thing is how the same gangs are covering the UKN war. Till 2022, the UKN is the most corrupt nation in Europe, and suddenly, it is the frontline democratic nation whose leader (Joker) is the new Winston Churchill. The seamless way it was done did not abide by the world. The MSM of the US now acquired the ability to manipulate public opinion in a far more sophisticated way unseen in history. Not suitable for the world.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 01 Sep 2023 12:20

Yagnasri wrote: ↑01 Sep 2023 09:37 The most problematic thing is how the open truth of Biden being a walking robot with little to no comprehension of things around him is not even being talked about in the MSM of the US.

That's "not a bug, it's a feature" -- ie. that's deliberate on the part of US media, who are all in the hip pocket of the rulers and their deep state. These media have really shown how illusory America's freedoms are, when the supposedly "free press" all line up to act like chamchas. It's now so excruciatingly brazen that most Americans have largely lost faith in their media. I see numerous comments from American posters under our Indian media youtube channels, praising some of the independent commentary that comes out of our Indian news shows. Same thing from Canadian posters too. Clearly there's an opening available for India media to help fill the current vacuum.

Another problematic thing is how the same gangs are covering the UKN war. Till 2022, the UKN is the most corrupt nation in Europe, and suddenly, it is the frontline democratic nation whose leader (Joker) is the new Winston Churchill. The seamless way it was done did not abide by the world. The MSM of the US now acquired the ability to manipulate public opinion in a far more sophisticated way unseen in history. Not suitable for the world.

Yes, and with Biden being a puppet on the throne, the actual ruling class get maximum freedom to run the show on their own terms.
I'm sure Victoria Nuland and her fellow NeoCons appreciate Sleepy Joe's rubber stamp on whatever they do.
With Dhritarashtra on the throne, the Kauravas can more freely run amok.

Notice how Nikki Haley especially went out of her way to spar with Ramaswamy during the debates.
She's likewise singing for her supper, given that she's a loyal sepoy to the NeoCons.
I could see hints of that, ever since 2016 when the Neocon-affiliated Bush-Cheney clan asked her to endorse their candidate over Trump at the Republican National Convention. She has no chance of winning, as the Trump base really doesn't like her.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 05 Sep 2023 05:10

Interesting analysis from Sham Sharma:

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 07 Sep 2023 04:07

bala · Post by **bala** » 08 Sep 2023 01:34

^^^ The trouble with US media is they think they are absolutely right all the time and the other guy is wrong. I have news for these a-holes. They have the brain of a dolt, they would fail any decent IQ test but their arrogance precedes their puny brains.

Shri Thanedar is an Indian American business person, author, and politician serving as the U.S. representative from Michigan’s 13th congressional district. A member of the Democratic Party in the US, Thanedar also served as a state representative in the Michigan House of Representatives from 2021 to 2023. During his recent visit to India as part of a US Congress delegation, Thanedar, along with the delegation, attended the Independence day celebrations at Red Fort and met Prime minister Narendra Modi, with whom he shares a personal relationship.

The Congressman also talks about growing bipartisan support for India in the US Capitol and how the US now considers India as a strategic partner to counter China and Russia's aggression. Thanedar also talks about his personal life and his journey from a Belagavi boy who had to work odd jobs at the age of 14 to support his family to becoming a lawmaker in the United States.

He talks about social media, western media perception of India, since they have no first hand experience or actual prolonged stay in India. This is all part of Britshit strategy of tarnishing India - starting with look at poor impoverished nation, dirty, filthy, stone-age beliefs. This wanton suppression of India's growth and aspirations extends to the phony crooks who ruled India in their name. The US has some sympathy for India since they were in the same boat as India vis-a-vis the Britshits.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 08 Sep 2023 03:00

Mehdi Hassan is a Muslim first and foremost. His visceral deep-rooted hatred for Hindus and Hinduism is evident from any media segment where he covers a Indian that is a Hindu (or appears to have a Hindu viewpoint).

bala · Post by **bala** » 08 Sep 2023 04:03

To understand US, is to really understand what the deep state is up to. They decide the flow of conversation in the media. MSNBC is an echo chamber of the deep state. The previous election was rigged in favor of Biden by the deep state, no matter how it is spun. They are going after the republicans since the Deep state does not want it near power centers. The Deep state favored candidates who would follow their diktats. Nixon had Kissinger (of deep state) embedded in the US Govt, then Reagan had many members who secretly were the deep state within. Republicans like George Bushes were beholden to the deep state and that is why they got elected. Billy boy clinton was amenable to China stealing US stuff (instigated by the Deep state wing of China, yes deep state is all nations of the world). Obama was propped up by the Deep state, he doubled the US debt from 10T to 20T. Now Deep state is trying to thrust mylapore mami (she has zero capability to govern) and truly control the US.

The deep state is the MIC of the US, the shadow treasury of the US, the shadow financier of many wall street companies and much more. They engineered the Lehman brother meltdown of the US. Clinton increased the qualification for loans to 10% down instead of 20%, Bush said screw it they can take loans of 125% value with zero down, then they repackaged these loans into smaller investable chunks with insurance cover (CDS-credit default swap). They do not see India favorably. The deep state was in charge of the Britshit loot of India and the loot by other colonizers like French, Dutch, Spaniards, Portuguese, etc. Their modus operandi is to create chaos worldwide and quietly loot resources of nations, hence all the color revolutions. The break up of Soviet Union was a godsend event for them.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 08 Sep 2023 04:50

krithivas wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023 03:00 Mehdi Hassan is a Muslim first and foremost. His visceral deep-rooted hatred for Hindus and Hinduism is evident from any media segment where he covers a Indian that is a Hindu (or appears to have a Hindu viewpoint).

His family came from Hyderabad in AP/Telangana.

The worst freakout I've ever seen from Mehdi Hassan was when he was talking to General Michael Flynn in an offside at the Republican National Convention. Flynn was genuinely polite and friendly to Hassan, but his policy views on fighting terrorism triggered Hassan so badly that he began hopping around like a child having a nervous breakdown. You have to actually see that clip to believe it.

Vivek vs Hassan feels like Proxy War - and Hassan is easily outmatched.

I really don't like GE, NBC's real parent company, for their internal political subculture that gives a podium to trash like Hassan.
Other than getting fighter engine technology from them, I really wish India wouldn't have anything to do with them.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 08 Sep 2023 14:38

Congressman Thanedar seems like a reasonable guy. I hope he realises someday that he was wrong to say when he went to the US _he had nothing_.

He had masters level education of a good enough quality that he could get accepted by an American University for a PhD program and succeed. An education that someone even so admittedly poor could afford.

I hope he also realises someday that he also had Bharatiya culture that has shaped him to not just claim rights but also fulfill duties and give back to society ityadi...

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 08 Sep 2023 15:08

Well said, Cyrano ji.

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 21 Sep 2023 15:16

https://baptistnews.com/article/christi ... -religion/

If you’ve been paying attention to the news over the last six years, you’ve probably noticed the phrase “Christian nationalism” being tossed around with increasing frequency. This is due to the fact that there has been a surge in the number of people who identify as Christian nationalists. Their influence as a voting bloc has wielded huge influence on the direction of politics in the United States.

Put simply, Christian nationalism is “the belief that the American nation is defined by Christianity, and that the government should take active steps to keep it that way.” This might seem pretty straightforward, but the reality is Christian nationalism is an extremely complex organism that cannot be easily defined. For example, I dedicated an entire episode of Season 3 of my podcast to the interconnectedness of QAnon and Christian nationalism.

Therefore, I want to begin by discussing the history of Christian nationalism in the United States because, in spite of the recent press, Christian nationalism has deep roots in American history. After we have explored all the various permutations of Christian nationalism, we’ll explore the current incarnation and why it is so seductive to an increasingly large portion of the population.

The term was coined by John L. O’Sullivan, editor of United States Magazine and Democratic Review in 1845. According to John Wilsey, whom I interviewed for my podcast, Manifest Destiny imports four elements from Christianity: Providence, moral regeneration, millennialism and mission.

For example, Manifest Destiny undergoes a shift in the early 1900s after World War I when Woodrow Wilson creates the League of Nations. Wilson described the League of Nations as a covenant where the United States would be the elder to the world, spreading Christian civilization and making the world safe for democracy.

For the average person, proof of American exceptionalism was demonstrated when the United States entered World War I.

The addition of American troops turned the tide against the Central Powers of Germany, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire and Bulgaria and were a big reason they ultimately were defeated. As a nation that was predominantly Christian, this reinforced a sense that God ultimately would allow for the United States to be the dominant nation in the new world order.

In other words, the American victory in World War I reinforced the belief among the general population that the United States acts as a political extension of God’s will.

By the time you get to World War II and the Cold War, another iteration of Christian nationalism has emerged, this time against what is characterized as a godless communism and the evils of the Soviet Union. This is when “under God” is added to the Pledge of Allegiance and “In God We Trust” is made the national motto in 1956 thanks to President Dwight Eisenhower, who was regarded by many as America’s pastor.

During this period, there’s a huge civil religious awakening, where America views itself as God’s chosen people with a divine mission to export American democracy and American ideas of liberty all over the world.

What’s critical with all these versions of Christian nationalism is that they all assume inevitable progress. The United States will continue to grow to become the greatest nation on earth with the greatest citizens on earth because we are a Christian nation God has chosen to lead the world. Interestingly, this belief undergoes a massive revision among conservative evangelicals in the late 1970s.

The version of Christian nationalism we’re living with today is known as the Christian America Thesis, which emerged in 1977. It appears with the publication of a book called The Light and the Glory by Peter Marshall and David Manuel. They argue that not only did God choose America, but America is a new Israel. This book is wildly popular and is published around the same time Jerry Falwell, Tim LaHaye and several others formed the Moral Majority in opposition to policies of the Carter administration.

Unlike previous versions of Christian nationalism, which looked toward the future, the Christian America Thesis looks to the past. They argue America has lost its way and needs to be taken back for God.

Modern Christian nationalism is obsessed with the Revolutionary War period. The leaders of this movement often describe how the Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution were evangelical Christians who came to this land because of their deep Christian faith. Proof of this dedication is the fact that the United States won the war against the British. This victory was so statistically improbable given the power of the British Army that the only way the Americans could have won was because God was on their side.

Of course, this belief that the Founding Fathers were evangelical Christians is a fiction. Most of the Founding Fathers were Deists.

Thomas Jefferson is a great example of this perspective. Jefferson created his own version of the Bible where he took a scalpel and cut out any portion of the New Testament where miracles occurred.

They have unknowingly confused the Christian religion with Christian nationalism. In fact, in the last six years, a shocking trend has occurred where there are an increasing number of people who identify as evangelical Christian, but have no connection to the Christian religion itself. Similar to Judaism as a cultural identity, Christianity has become a cultural identity for many who see the United States as the center of their worship.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 27 Sep 2023 15:04

The biggest threat to Monroe doctrine comes from Canada, the new Pakistan of the western hemisphere.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Sep 2023 20:15

auntie nuland was in a panic just after the military coup in niger unfolded. She was caught absolutely unprepared and was powerless to change the course of the fast unfolding events

The military coup in niger was followed military coups in mali and burkina faso that were similarly inspired by popular uprising of mass anti-colonial sentiment.

The african countries may have woken up to the fact that India is a safe bet, as compared to the cheenis and the whiteys, especially given the scenario, both during and post the pandemic

BRICS is being viewed with grave concern by the US, the 5*eyes coalition and the EU. amrika's geostrategic purchase to dictate the sovereign policy of foreign states is increasingly being marginalized and also limited—particularly in south africa and the regions surrounding this geography.

france has taken a huge hit because of the coup in niger, seriously damaging its ego, reputation and wounding the gaelic cultural norms, striking at its economy, as well as, diminishing its strategic reach in the region. This geopolitical and geo-economic vacuum left behind is likely getting filled, probably with influence from the BRICS related players

The amerikis too, have huge investments in the region which are now under direct threat

India is the weakest (major) link currently in the BRICS.

It looks like the US, and the 5eyes coalition may have made a concerted bid to cull India out of the BRICS, and reorient Indian objectives away from BRICS and align them closer with those of the amriki led polar grouping. Two birds with one stone seems to be the play, when G20 is factored in

bumbling justinder and his naively premature fireworks display in parliament may have just put paid to those plans with his inept handling of the inauguration of the planned festivities.....

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Sep 2023 06:56

Cyrano wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023 14:38 Congressman Thanedar seems like a reasonable guy. I hope he realises someday that he was wrong to say when he went to the US _he had nothing_.

He had masters level education of a good enough quality that he could get accepted by an American University for a PhD program and succeed. An education that someone even so admittedly poor could afford.

I hope he also realises someday that he also had Bharatiya culture that has shaped him to not just claim rights but also fulfill duties and give back to society ityadi...

He is and he is heading the Hindu American Caucus along with Krishnamurthy.
There are two or three other Congressmen.
No Rona Khanna or other Kachoris.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 28 Sep 2023 18:48

https://twitter.com/MeghUpdates/status/ ... 1697692776
US Assistant Secretary of Defense says Ukraine, like Iraq and Afghanistan, is a laboratory for the study of military innovation for the US Army.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 28 Sep 2023 21:38

That would make Ukrainians what.... lab rats ?

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vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 04 Oct 2023 20:45

Both political parties in US have gone rougue.

Within party they are not allowing any FoE to debate.
Democrats are fascists when it comes to FoE.
The Republicans debates are a joke. They brought couple of Democrats to moderate debates. They threatened to ban Vivek and Chris Chritie if they have a debate on Fox. The debates are a farce.

RNC is also intent on preventing any "non-sanctioned debates" in order to protect its debate monopoly. Yesterday, the RNC shut down a joint segment on Fox between @VivekGRamaswamy and @ChrisChristie, where there would have been — without question — more substantive debate in the first 5 mins than both RNC debates combined.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 05 Oct 2023 05:23

Some excerpts from a good article on why we need to constantly reevaluate our relationship with US and never get comfortable that 'the superpower' is courting us. It will take decades to proof once economy from being influenced by these institutions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/04/opin ... onize.html

The U.S. Has a New Set of Tools for Bullying the World

The greatest collateral damage from last year’s Russian invasion of Ukraine has been to various Western European members of NATO, which suddenly find their national interests subordinated to those of their strongest ally.

The cost has been high. In Germany’s case, the International Monetary Fund and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development predict that it will perform worse this year than any other advanced economy.

Wolfgang Streeck wrote recently in American Affairs magazine, Germany is being asked to participate in “an economic war that is to some extent also a war against Germany itself.”

A study this past summer by the European Council on Foreign Relations found large majorities, 62 percent continentwide, would wish for Europe to remain neutral should the United States and China ever enter into conflict over Taiwan. Yet last April, when President Emmanuel Macron of France urged his fellow Europeans to preserve their “strategic autonomy” in Sino-American matters and avoid getting swept up in “a logic of bloc against bloc,” he was rebuffed, not just by American politicians but also by certain of his European allies.

What has changed to give American preferences the power of binding imperial fiat?

Over the past two decades, the United States has made use of a novel, often mysterious set of tools for rewarding those who help it and punishing those who cross it.

Henry Farrell of Johns Hopkins and Abraham Newman of Georgetown. Their book published last month, “Underground Empire: How America Weaponized the Global Economy,” reveals how the United States benefits from a set of institutions built up late last century as neutral means of streamlining global markets.

These institutions include the dollar and the bank-messaging system known as Swift,

It helps that the rise of the internet has made the United States home to much of the wired world’s circuitry and infrastructure, including, in our time, some of the major cloud computing centers of Amazon Web Services, Microsoft and Google.

The United States now has the ability to survey and influence the world’s communications and supply chains, should it choose to.

It has taken the ingenuity of four presidential administrations to build the global economy into a U.S. strategic asset, to be used against (primarily) Iran, China and Russia.

The Trump administration wielded American network power with gusto, consummating a plan to disrupt the Chinese phone giant Huawei. As Mr. Farrell and Mr. Newman detail in their book, Huawei’s London-based bank, HSBC, was pressured to share data with the United States. That data generated evidence leading to Canada’s arrest of Huawei’s chief financial officer in Vancouver in 2018. In a separate case the next year, the State Department sought to bribe an Indian sea captain who was suspected of delivering a shipment of Iranian oil, urging that he surrender his ship to a port where it could be impounded.

Under President Biden, the United States has broken yet another fiduciary tradition that used to bind it back in the days before Sept. 11. It arranged to freeze not only Afghanistan’s modest $7 billion central bank reserves in the wake of its retreat from that country, but also, with the help of its allies, Russia’s reserves (dozens of times as large) in the wake of the 2022 invasion. The United States now also proposes to spend some of these reserves on what it deems worthier ends: compensating Sept. 11 victims in the first case, rebuilding Ukraine in the second.

American policymakers have weaponized the world economy in a way that is hard for democracies to register, let alone influence.

The authors hint they would not be half so worried about these regulatory means if only they served worthier ends — say, fighting climate change instead of protecting American hegemony.

Countries that have the most reason to fear the United States have responded by trying to construct alternative arrangements. Over the past year and a half, Russia has shown a resilience in the face of an all-out economic war that China and Iran are likely to use as a model. By contrast, those countries that are friendliest to the United States — Switzerland a decade ago, Germany today — have suffered for not yet having bomb-proofed their economies against the American economic weapon.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 05 Oct 2023 21:43

https://twitter.com/aravind/status/1709950851073372521

The coming recession, economic reset, and de-globalization.

The US has primed the world's economy for a massive recession. The US is waiting for an economic event to happen in China that will cause it. The recession will cause massive civil and political issues for countries like Russia and China. Of course, the world will suffer, too. But Russia and China will be weakened once for all. Balkanization of Russia is also possible. China may get into war to save face, but the collapse of the CCP and massive crash of China is inevitable. Once that happens, the US needs a lot of cheap labor to quickly build up manufacturing capablity and capacity to replace China. Countries like India and other places are, of course, there. But this time, the US will try to domestically produce what it invents and consumes. That's why the US is now being filled with migrants in hundreds of thousands. They all will be of great use as new low paid labor in the new de-globalized economic order the US will build, centered around itself.

This was my theory too ... Don't know if it works.

It might in US because most migrants to US are hard working South Americans where as migrants to Europe are all from Islamists who exploit free stuff.

What do you guys think?

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 05 Oct 2023 21:56

Loosely coupled with the outside world and tightly integrated within.

Putin anticipated a good bit of this and Russia has so far survived a war imposed by NATO that no single country could have survived.

The US would be scratching it's head with a burning stick if it attempts any more sanctions and regime changes and the massive backlash on USD may actually be led by Bharat.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 06 Oct 2023 02:01

vijayk wrote: ↑05 Oct 2023 21:43 https://twitter.com/aravind/status/1709950851073372521
The coming recession, economic reset, and de-globalization.

The US has primed the world's economy for a massive recession. The US is waiting for an economic event to happen in China that will cause it. The recession will cause massive civil and political issues for countries like Russia and China. Of course, the world will suffer, too. But Russia and China will be weakened once for all. Balkanization of Russia is also possible. China may get into war to save face, but the collapse of the CCP and massive crash of China is inevitable. Once that happens, the US needs a lot of cheap labor to quickly build up manufacturing capablity and capacity to replace China. Countries like India and other places are, of course, there. But this time, the US will try to domestically produce what it invents and consumes. That's why the US is now being filled with migrants in hundreds of thousands. They all will be of great use as new low paid labor in the new de-globalized economic order the US will build, centered around itself.
This was my theory too ... Don't know if it works.

It might in US because most migrants to US are hard working South Americans where as migrants to Europe are all from Islamists who exploit free stuff.

What do you guys think?

Hard working immigrants in US are unfortunately rarely a good tax base. They have zero skills outside of hard manual labor. Once they get their PR, they tend to go back to social security checks. You must’ve heard about New York school system overwhelmed by immigrants.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 06 Oct 2023 03:03

vimal wrote: ↑06 Oct 2023 02:01
Hard working immigrants in US are unfortunately rarely a good tax base. They have zero skills outside of hard manual labor. Once they get their PR, they tend to go back to social security checks. You must’ve heard about New York school system overwhelmed by immigrants.

Absolutely incorrect. They are a good tax base and study after study, including the one's from conservative think tank have shown this. You are talking as if 'manual labor' has zero relevance and is all hog wash. Care to say how much a plumber, electrician, or even a good day laborer makes in construction?

https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-a ... istrations

https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/nor ... eigh-costs

https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... 5%20places.

Also, US system is does not incentivize just sitting on your bum and expecting a paycheck from social security.

https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-entitle-us ... 20benefits.

If the schools are overwhelmed then build more schools then. This is a problem which will not be solved in just an year or two.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 06 Oct 2023 03:05

vijayk wrote: ↑05 Oct 2023 21:43 https://twitter.com/aravind/status/1709950851073372521
The coming recession, economic reset, and de-globalization.

The US has primed the world's economy for a massive recession. The US is waiting for an economic event to happen in China that will cause it. The recession will cause massive civil and political issues for countries like Russia and China. Of course, the world will suffer, too. But Russia and China will be weakened once for all. Balkanization of Russia is also possible. China may get into war to save face, but the collapse of the CCP and massive crash of China is inevitable. Once that happens, the US needs a lot of cheap labor to quickly build up manufacturing capablity and capacity to replace China. Countries like India and other places are, of course, there. But this time, the US will try to domestically produce what it invents and consumes. That's why the US is now being filled with migrants in hundreds of thousands. They all will be of great use as new low paid labor in the new de-globalized economic order the US will build, centered around itself.
This was my theory too ... Don't know if it works.

It might in US because most migrants to US are hard working South Americans where as migrants to Europe are all from Islamists who exploit free stuff.

What do you guys think?

What is the time frame here. Are we looking at a global recession in the next 1,2, 5, 10 years?

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 06 Oct 2023 03:48

How will the US be immune to a recession in China ..it will spark a recession in US itself !!..the two economies are so intertwined that no manner of decoupling can help in the next 10 years at least.

The US itself is prone to balkanisation. has anyone gamed that scenario ?

But it is unlikely China would break up ..granted the CCP could lose power or devolve itself into a new form.

Russia would retain its federal structure., its consolidation has already begun to avoid any such eventuality.

The US has actors in play for balkanising countries like China, India and Russia. , but i wonder whether its own system would be able prevent such an eventuality right at home !!

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 06 Oct 2023 04:36

Jay wrote: ↑06 Oct 2023 03:03
vimal wrote: ↑06 Oct 2023 02:01
Hard working immigrants in US are unfortunately rarely a good tax base. They have zero skills outside of hard manual labor. Once they get their PR, they tend to go back to social security checks. You must’ve heard about New York school system overwhelmed by immigrants.
Absolutely incorrect. They are a good tax base and study after study, including the one's from conservative think tank have shown this. You are talking as if 'manual labor' has zero relevance and is all hog wash. Care to say how much a plumber, electrician, or even a good day laborer makes in construction?

https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-a ... istrations

https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/nor ... eigh-costs

https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... 5%20places.

Also, US system is does not incentivize just sitting on your bum and expecting a paycheck from social security.

https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-entitle-us ... 20benefits.

If the schools are overwhelmed then build more schools then. This is a problem which will not be solved in just an year or two.

I would consider Electrician and Plumber as skilled tradesmen not manual labor.

Where will the funds for building new schools come from if each year millions just cross over the borders illegally?

S_Madhukar · Post by **S_Madhukar** » 06 Oct 2023 05:00

I doubt US will be making pins and needles that China could at mass scale at devastating consequences for its environment and demographics… seems subcontinental Trojan commies have infiltrated deep and primed it for a future Yankee rate of growth

the same illegal migration that was absorbed in India without much incident until now at drip drip rate is being burst into the mainland for all to see. This will lead to a schism that might not heal so fast. All these ethnicities might in future overwhelm local areas creating mini Latin Americas etc creating a new have it all techno elite and a large have nothing ethnic conclave. While India’s fault lines could be exploited we are still very much the same civilisation with ancient memories… not sure where America will derive that as it heavily depends on institutions that are now compromised.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 06 Oct 2023 09:29

vimal wrote: ↑06 Oct 2023 04:36
I would consider Electrician and Plumber as skilled tradesmen not manual labor.

Where will the funds for building new schools come from if each year millions just cross over the borders illegally?

Yeah whatever your definition is, it still falls under manual labor. Why are you asking me where the funds would come from? If they can send $50b a year to ukraine then can certainly have funds to do what they want domestically, provided they actually want to do it.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 06 Oct 2023 10:13

Jay wrote: ↑06 Oct 2023 09:29
vimal wrote: ↑06 Oct 2023 04:36
I would consider Electrician and Plumber as skilled tradesmen not manual labor.

Where will the funds for building new schools come from if each year millions just cross over the borders illegally?
Yeah whatever your definition is, it still falls under manual labor. Why are you asking me where the funds would come from? If they can send $50b a year to ukraine then can certainly have funds to do what they want domestically, provided they actually want to do it.

Why are you replying to my posts? Nobody asked you to butt in with your JNU jhollachap logic. You obviously don’t care where the funds come from and ok with millions pouring in through international borders. What Paki lahori logic stuff you smoke daily to come up this crap.

brvarsh · Post by **brvarsh** » 06 Oct 2023 10:21

Like dissolves like, water mixes with water, west defends west. Expecting US government to call out Canada is expecting Moon to have water, even if they know it is there, drawing it requires a lot of effort. The only way US will side with India is when it is no more India vs Canada instead India vs Trudeau. Lets have strong in roads in their conservative party, shift Hindu & non Khalistani voters to side with conservative party, though such an experiment failed in US.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 06 Oct 2023 10:39

brvarsh wrote: ↑06 Oct 2023 10:21 The only way US will side with India is when it is no more India vs Canada instead India vs Trudeau

America is currently run by Leftists, who have ideological affinity with fellow Leftist Trudeau.

Leftists have succeeded in creating a cross-border North American Union of sorts, and will not part ways from each other.

Have you ever noticed that any time US govt issues new indictments against Trump, then Canada's state-sponsored Lefty media immediately crow about it? Lefties backing Lefties in full Lefty solidarity.

Only way to confront Canadian ruling Lefties is to also push back against US ruling Lefties.
Must support anti-Woke conservatives (aka. normal people) in both countries.