Understanding the US - Again

[vera_k]

Only reason polls are supporting Kamala is because big money lobbies pay for polls that project results they want.

Polls are all within the margin of error at the moment.

But it is true that Trump can perform better than expected like in 2016 because there are no shy KH voters. While for Trump, voters will often hold back their true opinion until the votes are in.

[Mort Walker]

There are some serious questions coming up on Walz. His 33 trips to China, including his honeymoon there & in 2006 he ran a congressional campaign emphasizing cooperation with China.

[KL Dubey]

The "Walz and China" thing seems a non-starter, especially since he has been talking up and down the country about his "China experience/expertise" for many years including the 2018 and 2022 governor elections. It may end up as a benefit, since WI, MI, PA, and many other states have been trading heavily with China and are hit by the trade slump.

One of my friends/former neighbor ("all-american" white guy) did a total of 2 years of teaching English in China, keeps visiting there, and brought back a chinese wife as well. From him I learned that a lot of Americans have made some easy money teaching English in China and Korea.

Now that infirm Bhaidanwa has been replaced by two aggressive Dems a generation younger than him (and Trump), it's possible the likes of Walz are more than ready to juxtapose what he did in China with what Trump has been accused/charged with of doing to people and institutions in his own country. Comparing objectively - Trump has been convicted on 34 felonies and is currently out on bail in multiple other cases. Constant reminders of these things seems to have created a lingering doubt/"questions" in people's minds. That is a big contributor to his low favorability ratings (never crossed 50%), with no apparent sympathy wave after the assassination attempt.

Again - not making any "moral judgement" on any of these things. Regarding this US presidential election, I'm mostly bringing in a fact-based assessment so that BRF does not get infested with Indian-American partisan bickering that is of little consequence to us.

Of course, nobody knows for sure how people will vote on election day. Polls etc work under the assumption that people are not lying/not hiding their true feelings from the pollster.

[Mort Walker]

The PLA learned from Soviets where they began a process of cultivation of an asset. There are several issues with Walz being "sympathetic" to the Chinese while keeping the American friendly face of "human rights in China". Such a person in a position of power would be none too good for India or Indian-Americans.

[Vayutuvan]

Walz is as fake as Harris.

[Mort Walker]

Walz may be very problematic where CCP subsidized his trips, officials attended his marriage in an official capacity & paid for over 60 American guests invited to his Chinese honeymoon. The company Walz & wife setup called Education Travel Adventures, Inc. was financed by the CCP, officials attended his swearing-in ceremony as governor & supported a Walz backed Minnesota NGO. Waltz allowed the CCP to open a Ministry of Public Security Outpost (Chinese secret police station). There were 7 such outposts across the US until April 2023 when the US DoJ began to shut them down.

These are some very serious questions.

[Vayutuvan]

One of my friends/former neighbor ("all-american" white guy) did a total of 2 years of teaching English in China, keeps visiting there, and brought back a chinese wife as well. From him I learned that a lot of Americans have made some easy money teaching English in China and Korea.

I don't understand how this is relevant to anything we are discussing right now. Gratuitous reference to "all-american" and "white" means what, really? Are all "All-american" are white? Are they even all-american? They must have come from somewhere in Europe.

[KL Dubey]

People should look up common terms used in american parlance instead of posting disingenuous questions. I am not here to engage in arguments on candidates. I provide factual information instead of poorly constructed/thought out BS posts.

https://www.newsweek.com/tim-walz-kamal ... ed-1935361
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgewpzyd91o

Common sense would allow the following inference from my little example: If Walz's education business activities were "funded by the CCP" then the many such ordinary people (including many missionaries/church wallahs/others) also "got salary from the CCP" when teaching or doing business there. Many Rep politicians will also be found to have such "connections". And not to mention the massive volume of business connections (US companies small and large operating in China) that come with a $800bn(?)/yr US-China trade. If Walz has any clandestine connections, certainly it should be looked into.

Objectively looking at this - we know that Trump has declared Xi Jinping to be his "really good friend" and has declined to confirm that he will defend Taiwan (according to him, he will only even consider it if Taiwan is ready to pay money for protection). The question arises as to what his "good friend" has done for him and his family that he would leave Taiwan to the CCP. This is not gossip, its gotten to the level of congressional hearings:

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4741 ... a-hearing/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... es-to-ccp/

This article also contains a detailed letter from the Congressional Integrity Project to the US congress speaker, detailing the Trump family's deep links with the CCP. The findings are very detailed, not just some vague "he is a chinese spy" BS.

Overall - The partisan attitude of some of the Indian-American posters is curious ("Trump is best for India and everything else is fake") , and seems similar to what I see in MAGA-type programming on the internet. It gives a misleading picture to actual Indians reading this forum, thus defeating its purpose.

[KL Dubey]

The letter PDF is somewhat hard to read embedded inside the article, so I'm pasting some sections here. Links embedded in the PDF are not accessible here. Highlights/underlines are mine.

Donald Trump Has Extensive Financial Ties To The CCP

While President Trump was in office, he collected millions of dollars from government-ownedentities in China. Trump properties leased by the Industrial Bank of China, contributed to atleast $5.4 million in business inflows during the Trump presidency. And the former president is clearly well aware of such multi-million dollar updates, bragging that he has “the best tenants in the world.” If this doesn't scream influence peddling, we don’t know what does.

Mr. Trump’s personal business history is filled with overseas financial deals too, and some have involved the Chinese state. He spent a decade unsuccessfully pursuing projects in China, operating an office there during his first run for president and forging a partnership with a major government-controlled company. And it turns out that China is one of only three foreign nations where Mr. Trump maintains a bank account. Not only are his personal and business dealings with the Chinese government certainly shady, but they also raise legal and ethical concerns.

The U.S. Constitution prohibits federal officials from accepting “any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king,prince, or foreign state” without Congressional approval. Ethics experts, who have often focused on the president’s hotel in Washington, D.C., argued that the president would violate the Constitution’s emoluments clause from the moment he took office.

Donald And Ivanka Trump Benefited From Trademarks Approved By The Chinese Government:

Not only does the former president have serious legal and ethical concerns about his business dealings, but so do his children, who held government positions and benefited financially while in office. During their time in office, the Chinese government approved multiple “Trump” family names in trademarks amid negotiations for a new trade deal. In the fall of 2018, Ivanka Trump won initial approval for 16 trademarks applied for two years prior in the midst of Trump’s trade war with China. The Chinese government also approved two “Trump” trademarks, registered at Trump Tower in Manhattan, as negotiation efforts progressed.

Months earlier, China gave Ivanka Trump seven new trademarks across multiple businesses that she applied for after President Trump took office – all approved around the time President Trump committed to keeping a Chinese Telecommunications Company afloat, even though the company has a history of violating American limits on doing business with countries like Iran and North Korea.

Ms. Trump applied for six of the trademarks in March 2017. She applied for the seventh even earlier, in May 2016.Over a year earlier, Ivanka Trump received three trademark approvals in China the same day she and her father dined with Chinese President Xi Jinping. In April 2017, Ivanka Trump’s company had 37 pending trademark applications in ten countries, including China, Indonesia,and the Philippines, covering “the sale of leather goods in China, jewelry in the Philippines, and beauty products in Indonesia.”

According to the LA Times, “on the same day Trump and his daughter dined with Chinese President Xi Jinping at Mar-a-Lago in Florida in April 2017, China awarded her three preliminary trademark approvals for jewelry, handbags, and spa services.

The Trump Family Operated a Web of Over 500 LLCs While In Office

Finally, during his presidency, the Trump family operated a web of over 500 LLCs, which were not subject to external audits or rigorous disclosure requirements. For decades, Donald Trump operated a web of shadowy LLCs used to evade taxes and conceal loans and business interests,possibly including with China. Even during his presidency, Trump’s use of LLCs allowed him to keep much of his financial portfolio outside the public eye. As NBC News reported, “[W]e don't know which foreign assets or bank accounts he owns or where they're located. We don't know how much foreign tax he has paid and to which countries. We can't verify which charities he's funding.”

This is a lot of very concerning questions about the dealings of the former US President. Setting up 500 LLCs with unclear business activities sounds a lot like the corruption strategies of the INC in India (Chidambaram, Pappu, Ahmed Patel et al).

[Vayutuvan]

Overall - The partisan attitude of some of the Indian-American posters is curious ("Trump is best for India and everything else is fake") , and seems similar to what I see in MAGA-type programming on the internet. It gives a misleading picture to actual Indians reading this forum, thus defeating its purpose.

As opposed to

Overall - The partisan attitude of some of the Indian-American posters is curious ("Harris is best for India and everything else is fake") , and seems similar to what I see in woke-type programming on the internet. It gives a misleading picture to actual Indians reading this forum, thus defeating its purpose.

[Mort Walker]

More partisan nonsense being spouted here in the name of factual information. Yes, Trump & family have dealings with Chinese, but he also served as POTUS, therefore it is nothing new.

The question is of Walz’s connection to the CCP without him being a large international investor over a period of nearly 30 years. From initial reports, Walz is simply not a Sinophile promoting understanding, but a politician who appears to be in the CCP’s pocket.

On another note, the Biden-Harris administration is conspicuously silent on the Bangladesh genocide of Hindus when they didn’t wait a millisecond to criticize India about CAA. It’s even more troubling when Harris herself is half Indian & travelled to India during her youth.

Kamala, Who is Half-Indian, Fails to Speak About Hindu Massacres in Bangladesh

[Vayutuvan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shyamala_Gopalan

Personal life
In the fall of 1962, at a meeting of the Afro-American Association—a students' group at Berkeley whose members would go on to give structure to the discipline of Black studies, propose the holiday of Kwanzaa, and help establish the Black Panther Party—Shyamala met a graduate student in economics from Jamaica, Donald J. Harris, who was that day's speaker.[14] According to Donald Harris, who is now an emeritus professor of economics at Stanford University, "We talked then, continued to talk at a subsequent meeting, and at another, and another."[14] In 1963, they were married without following the convention of introducing Harris to Shyamala's parents beforehand or having the ceremony in her hometown.

and the following bit about Mr. Gopalan himself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._V._Gopalan

He started as a stenographer/typist or something. The he rose through the ranks (babu in the mold of British Civil Servants). Shyamala G marrying Harris seems almost like the movie "MIssissippi Masala". My experiences nor my daughter's are not same as either the Rsohan Seth character in that movie nor late PV Gopalan ji and his daughter Shyamala.

Rising through the ranks, Gopalan was later empanelled and served as Joint Secretary to Government of India in the Ministry of Labour, Employment and Rehabilitation.[12] He was later deputed to the government of Zambia and lived in Lusaka as Director of Relief Measures and Refugees in 1966 during the Zimbabwean War of Independence,[12] to help Zambia manage an influx of refugees from Southern Rhodesia

Actually this gets worse.

[Vayutuvan]

Wikipedia article of Shyamala Gopalan biopage said that Mr. Gopalan made her do Home Science as that would be helpful when she gets married and becomes a housewife. That is either removed or moved to another page. Shyamala G was sent to Berkeley with Mr. Gopalan's own money. She did not get a scholarship as was the case in those days. It was sort of easy to get a scholarship especially if you went to a convent school and went to an elite college in Delhi. Shyamala G. did both. Interestingly, Kamala Harris claimed that she her liberal and progressive views were due to the influence of her granddad PV Gopalan ji.

Lot of self-aggrandizement going on here. Walz is no different. Obama was the same. His dad went to Patrice Lumumba University, Oxbridge, came to the US, married (while he had a wife back home in Kenya) a white woman, had a few children and left her to bring up the kids on her own.

[AkshaySG]

Kamala, Who is Half-Indian, Fails to Speak About Hindu Massacres in Bangladesh

One can hardly expect anyone from the US to speak for India, Let alone in a situation they cooked up themselves. But that doesn't surprise me because it's expected

The dissappointing thing is we ourselves haven't spoken up, the GOI or MEA hasn't taken the words massacre or genocide, We have not raised this issue through the full extent of our diplomacy nor military grandstanding
Besides some mid level BJP spox nothing but normal condemnation type language has been heard.

If this was anything relevant to the West every single social media /celebrity /news channel would have started toeing line with coordinated media blitzes, hashtags and PR.

[KL Dubey]

Let readers come to their own conclusions about the US election dynamics.

What I provided is only factual information, not all kinds of poorly educated opinions on "which presidential candidate will be better for India". This seems the obsession of a small number of posters here who have derailed the thread.

Who will be good, better, and best for India? The answer is - India, its leadership, and its policies towards external competition/interference/etc. Not anyone else.

The US policy towards India will always be one of competition and undermining our foundational capabilities, while continuing to engage in "mutually beneficial" cooperation. This is not much affected by a President. The relationship (whatever it may be) - is much deeper than a president.

[KL Dubey]

Overall - The partisan attitude of some of the Indian-American posters is curious ("Trump is best for India and everything else is fake") , and seems similar to what I see in MAGA-type programming on the internet. It gives a misleading picture to actual Indians reading this forum, thus defeating its purpose.

As opposed to

Overall - The partisan attitude of some of the Indian-American posters is curious ("Harris is best for India and everything else is fake") , and seems similar to what I see in woke-type programming on the internet. It gives a misleading picture to actual Indians reading this forum, thus defeating its purpose.

One thing: poster "Vayutuvan", I am not interested in any personal debate here. However, do not plagiarize my posts by pasting them and changing a few words to upend their meaning. I will not take very kindly to this. I hope - but can no longer assume - that you are capable of writing your own posts, so please take note. Again, it is interesting that people are imitating my posts and replying to almost every one of them - but I have already said that I am really NOT flattered by this kind of "attention".

[AkshaySG]

Although on a much lesser scale than Biden it seems that age is catching up to Trump this campaign. One thing you could never accuse him of is "low energy" and yet in the last few weeks it's precisely what has come across as

He is doing way less events than his own VP candidate and significantly less than Kamala, Despite having a supportive platform in Elon's Twitter he stays hidden away on Truth Social with minimal reach.

The clever comebacks and statements which galvanized his base in 2016 and gotten him such a hardcore following seem missing and there is much more random rants which leave his own voter base confused.

Add to this the fact that RFK Jr is taking away more Repub votes than Dems and it doesn't look too good for him.

Again it's early days and the campaign looked comfortable for Hillary at this time in Aug too however she faced a much more energized Trump willing to take risks

[Roop]

People aren't voting for Vance, they're voting for Trump. He's MAGA, he has the base.

and

Only reason polls are supporting Kamala is because big money lobbies pay for polls that project results they want.

All the polls were saying Hillary would beat Trump - but reality proved otherwise.

Two excellent points, I agree with you on both.

Kamala's running mate looks like a recycled version of Hillary's running mate Tim Kaine.
Hard to tell the 2 men apart physically - they must have been grown in adjacent test tubes.

Actually, appearance-wise (forgetting about substance for a moment), I think Walz is a more skilled campaigner, he appears comfortable and at ease in front of a crowd. I never got the same impression with Kaine. But Walz's actual policies in Minnsota were absolutely crazy, which was never true of Kaine.

Harris had the choice of picking one of three reasonable candidates (Shapiro from PA, Kelly from AZ, Bashear of KY) but she had to go for Tampon Tim ??? The ONLY reason that makes sense here is the modern left-wing Dem party's pandering to the Islamist / jihadi vote.

As far as the mainstream media are concerned -- what to say about them! They are thoroughly shameless of course, wall-to-wall non-stop PR for the Dems, but it's questionable how much effect they have on the voters. Certainly voters under 40 care more about what Joe Rogan / Tucker Carlson / Meghyn Kelly say than the babblings of Morning Joe, Joy Reid or the NYT Editorial Board.

[Mort Walker]

Kamala, Who is Half-Indian, Fails to Speak About Hindu Massacres in Bangladesh

One can hardly expect anyone from the US to speak for India, Let alone in a situation they cooked up themselves. But that doesn't surprise me because it's expected

The dissappointing thing is we ourselves haven't spoken up, the GOI or MEA hasn't taken the words massacre or genocide, We have not raised this issue through the full extent of our diplomacy nor military grandstanding
Besides some mid level BJP spox nothing but normal condemnation type language has been heard.

If this was anything relevant to the West every single social media /celebrity /news channel would have started toeing line with coordinated media blitzes, hashtags and PR.

Absolutely agree. The problem is the US, and in particular the Biden-Harris administration, has gone out of its way to criticize India on legislation (passed in parliament & deemed constitutional) regarding the CAA & minority status in India. Yet when genocide and the very real ethnic cleansing of 12M Bengali Hindus is imminent, they have remained painfully silent. Arnab Goswami is right about this being a deep state objective in order to destabilize India. It should also be asked of Harris if Rahul Gandhi visited, in personal or any capacity, WH officials or US government offices prior to India's national elections.

The last time any western celebrity said anything about the massacre of Bengali Hindus was in 1971 by the late great George Harrison. The level of intellect & artistic skill in the west has noticeably declined from over 50 years ago.

[vijayk]

Hindenburg is posting something on probably Adani

[sanman]

But Walz's actual policies in Minnsota were absolutely crazy, which was never true of Kaine.

Harris had the choice of picking one of three reasonable candidates (Shapiro from PA, Kelly from AZ, Bashear of KY) but she had to go for Tampon Tim ??? The ONLY reason that makes sense here is the modern left-wing Dem party's pandering to the Islamist / jihadi vote.

As far as the mainstream media are concerned -- what to say about them! They are thoroughly shameless of course, wall-to-wall non-stop PR for the Dems, but it's questionable how much effect they have on the voters. Certainly voters under 40 care more about what Joe Rogan / Tucker Carlson / Meghyn Kelly say than the babblings of Morning Joe, Joy Reid or the NYT Editorial Board.

The United States of Socialist Radicals -- USSR -- is Old Wine In A New Bottle.

ie. the acronym seems familiar, and only the the geography has changed

The state propaganda machine is familiar, the restrictions on freedom of speech & thought are familiar, the ruling kleptocracy-plutocracy are familiar, the state religion is familiar, the security state is familiar.

Welcome to Sovietized America.

Seems like a variant of an old novel:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_i ... igh_Castle

[sanman]

Well known US politician who happens to be Hindu is getting put under the scanner and surveilled for daring to speak out:



She's been added to a Terror Watchlist, so that every time she boards a flight, 3 Air Marshals will be there to monitor her.

And she's actually served in the military over there, unlike Kamala - just imagine.

[drnayar]

Well known US politician who happens to be Hindu is getting put under the scanner and surveiled for daring to speak out:

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She's been added to a Terror Watchlist, so that every time she boards a flight, 3 Air Marshals will be there to monitor her.

And she's actually served in the military over there, unlike Kamala - just imagine.

We just about know now who all the 'deep state' is .. obammer for one.. the demo leadership seems completely corrupted

[AkshaySG]

Absolutely agree. The problem is the US, and in particular the Biden-Harris administration, has gone out of its way to criticize India on legislation (passed in parliament & deemed constitutional) regarding the CAA & minority status in India. Yet when genocide and the very real ethnic cleansing of 12M Bengali Hindus is imminent, they have remained painfully silent.

True but again expecting anything besides toeing and the "state dept/CIA/Pentagon" line from prominent American politicians is a fools game

Folks here say Kamala has been silent but how much have we heard from Vivek Ramaswamy, Usha Vance or Nikki Haley for that matter?

They may be marginally more vocal in situations that align with their political interests (being against Islamic Terrorism or Illegal Immigration) but won't dare go against US strategic interests for Hindus and we should stop expecting them too.

[bala]

The DNC with full backing of the Deep State is worse than Cheenland CCP. They have turned entire US into two camps, with hatred on full display for everyone in the world to see. It is quite sickening to see such bullying of Tulsi Gabbard. Her true hindu dharma is to the fore and the Abrahmic tribes are out to destroy her. Pathetic to say the least.

[KL Dubey]

Yes, these are the kind of national/American issues that Indian-Americans should be considering as they prepare to vote.

As a matter of fact, it was the Dems in the JFK-LBJ presidency who opened the gates to immigration of Indians and other Asians, which is the root reason that there are 5 million Indians generally prospering in the US. This was not out of "goodness of heart", but rather the realization that they needed to capture the best talent/workforce from other countries on a long-term basis rather than just lucking out with the brainpower spoils of WW2.

Anyway, the Dems traditionally consider Indian-Americans as part of their votebank. In presidential elections, the vast majority of Indian-Americans have voted for Dem candidates mainly on pan-American issues. In recent history, the USCIS under the Trump administration brought H1 and green card processing to a grinding halt leading to years and decades of backlogs, which caused consternation in many Indian-American families.

Tulsi is outspoken, and her comments on the defense and national security apparatus might have rankled at the core of the so-called "deep state". It's possible others have been undeservingly listed over the years: the TSA "quiet skies" program spans Obamudu-2, Trump, and Bhaidanwa sarkars. But its election season and a public figure getting listed is of course a political soundbite.

[bala]

Folks here say Kamala has been silent but how much have we heard from Vivek Ramaswamy, Usha Vance or Nikki Haley for that matter?

They may be marginally more vocal in situations that align with their political interests (being against Islamic Terrorism or Illegal Immigration) but won't dare go against US strategic interests for Hindus and we should stop expecting them too.

The DNC has more Indian origin people. What happened to their Dharma and sense of Shraddha to do the right thing. Why are they choking on thier own spittle so to speak. Ro Khanna, Krishnamurthy and other high profile DNC people have gone into deafening silence. Nothing so far. Kamala has disavowed her Indianess and she thinks she is more "black" than the native American Black folks (who actually despise her phoniness and fake accent). Kamala is with the Jihadi group within DNC. I admire Tulsi Gabbard, an ex DNC member, for using her Dharma and Shraddha to speak out. It takes guts to take on the establishment.

[KL Dubey]

The DNC with full backing of the Deep State is worse than Cheenland CCP. They have turned entire US into two camps, with hatred on full display for everyone in the world to see. It is quite sickening to see such bullying of Tulsi Gabbard. Her true hindu dharma is to the fore and the Abrahmic tribes are out to destroy her. Pathetic to say the least.

I think this is overstating things quite a lot.

She herself says its because of the comments she made on the workings of US national security and defense, not related to her Hindu faith. If the "deep state" is acknowledged as an entity essentially independent of the elected sarkar, then its clear they will back anyone anytime anywhere that serves their purpose. It's not a Dem- or Rep-supporting entity.

Harris and Walz are certainly part of the establishment politics/system and will be expected to be answerable for all the characteristics/actions of the establishment.

Trump has made a mark on the electorate because he says he is not part of that system and is a true nationalist. However, after coming to power in 2016 his actions appear to suggest mainly pure self-interest packaged as nationalism. In 2020 he got a "no thanks" message from the electorate. Now in 2024 he is back with the same plank - but if the trackers are to believed, people's excitement towards that is now overall lukewarm relative to 2016. Its like calling old girlfriends from failed relationships years later inquiring about the possibility of a hookup again

[bala]

I think this is overstating things quite a lot.

No it is not. I think you are confused. The Deep State has an agenda which does not restrict themselves strictly with the US. Those elected to office in the US are concerned about their Nation and rightly so. I would expect them to be concerned about their nation. The agenda of Deep State and nationalist might overlap in certain areas but the Deep State has other ideas which strictly have nothing to do with nation theory.

The Republicans are more patriotic towards their nation than the DNC cabal. Trump did not sway to the Deep State as far as NATO/Russia/Ukraine went. He followed his own agenda. In the Middle East he took out the Jihadi ISIS groomed by Obummer/Clinton. Kamala is a clueless person, and she will nod her head for whatever the Deep State dictates because she does not know otherwise.

As far as immigration is concerned the US should treat it as a perk. The DNC notion of immigration is more jihadi immigrants and of course South America which is a mixed bag. Some immigrants are hard working like those from mexico and others want a dole. Many immigrants form China are benefitting and they overwhelm other groups collectively. All ASEAN country immigrants are actually ethnically Chinese. The Social security system is going to be overburdened by the geriatric immigrant parents very soon. The DNC is not for merit based immigration vs Republicans are more towards merit based. Moaning about green cards and queues is pointless because it is a perk and not a right per se.

[AkshaySG]

The DNC has more Indian origin people. What happened to their Dharma and sense of Shraddha to do the right thing. Why are they choking on thier own spittle so to speak. Ro Khanna, Krishnamurthy and other high profile DNC people have gone into deafening silence. Nothing so far. Kamala has disavowed her Indianess and she thinks she is more "black" than the native American Black folks (who actually despise her phoniness and fake accent). Kamala is with the Jihadi group within DNC. I admire Tulsi Gabbard, an ex DNC member, for using her Dharma and Shraddha to speak out. It takes guts to take on the establishment.

Utter delusion to think that American born and brought up folks will put Dharma and Shraddha above national interests.

It doesn't matter which party has more if the actions are the same.. You can cry about 8-10 Indian American dems and ignore the 6-7 Republicans but that doesn't make it any less true.

Its all the same whether it's Tulsi, Vivek, Kamala, Ro or anyone.. The only time they will remember their "Indianess" is when it helps them politically and aligns with what their voters want to hear

Better to recognize that Americans or any other country for that matter will act in their own interests and fight your own battles than hoping for crumbs in the form of one tweet or statement which makes no difference on the ground anyway

[KL Dubey]

I admire Tulsi Gabbard, an ex DNC member, for using her Dharma and Shraddha to speak out. It takes guts to take on the establishment.

It is quite possible that she drew upon her dharmic faith in making choices. At the same time, saying that she'd be "honored to be Trump's running mate" indicates a need for more maturity. Perhaps she is just trying to survive, which is legitimate - but let's not get carried away.

As explained in many of our texts, dharmic thought/efforts/actions should not be wasted on supporting adharmic people and ideas. Both the American political sides can hardly be said to have any kind of dharmic orientation, despite whatever acrobatics people like Ramaswamy come up with to fit in/suck up to a white, Xtian voter base. Tulsi will have to do the same, which is itself adharma.

Even if Ramaswamy or Gabbard became the VP of USA under Trump, they will be subjected to 4 years of abuse/slights/taunts from Trump as well as the "religious" and "redneck" voter base of the Rep party...and of course 4 years later neither of them will have any chance of being nominated as the president candidate for 2028. It's a different matter if a more "centrist' Rep party evolves at the national level, but that seems unlikely now.

Due to grassroots efforts by Indian/Hindu groups, there are many states (Dem or Rep leaning) in which local/state leaders of both parties have healthy respect for our dharma and culture without needing to have any "Hindu" political candidates. The Hindu US community is still small, and we should cultivate support from the rest of society wherever we can get it, instead of being focused on one person/party. Beyond that, only a robust adoption by Americans of Sanatan Dharma will open the way. Many other sects than ISKCON need to strike root and expand here. Simply having money - without numbers of people - leads to only limited influence.

Perhaps folks like Ramaswamy and Gabbard - and any practising Hindus in the Dem and Rep parties - should support those things.

[KL Dubey]

I think this is overstating things quite a lot.

No it is not. I think you are confused....

The Republicans are more patriotic towards their nation than the DNC cabal...

Trump did not sway to the Deep State as far as NATO/Russia/Ukraine went.....

As far as immigration is concerned the US should treat it as a perk....

I left some of the statements in your post above. I think a deeper level of understanding is required here. The above are sweeping and generalized statements which do not reflect reality and actual events.

[Mort Walker]

Absolutely agree. The problem is the US, and in particular the Biden-Harris administration, has gone out of its way to criticize India on legislation (passed in parliament & deemed constitutional) regarding the CAA & minority status in India. Yet when genocide and the very real ethnic cleansing of 12M Bengali Hindus is imminent, they have remained painfully silent.

True but again expecting anything besides toeing and the "state dept/CIA/Pentagon" line from prominent American politicians is a fools game

Folks here say Kamala has been silent but how much have we heard from Vivek Ramaswamy, Usha Vance or Nikki Haley for that matter?

Correct. Only Tulsi Gabbar has. That said, Harris is the sitting vice president who is part of the current government that has commented on human rights in the region. It would be politically beneficial for the Biden-Harris administration, including the State Department to condemn this genocide.

[KL Dubey]

From a possible Indian perspective (not Indian-American):

One impact of the Dem party could be to dramatically whittle down/destroy the impact of the "white" and the "X-men" on US society in a much shorter time, through their several votebank hunts such as DEIA, LGBTQIA+ rights, BLM, proliferating Islam within the US, porous borders, and others. Non-whites in the US - who will be a full national majority before 2050 - and who are of diverse cultures and faiths - will need to assert themselves.

For example, the state of GA is probably a white-minority state by now. In the 2020 census, only 50.1% whites and large numbers of blacks/latinos, and rapidly expanding asian population.

After having been subjected to 300+ years of European colonial exploitation, we need to understand and admit that the root cause of many of these problems is the European/white mentality of superiority/control over others. A constructive change/take-down of this mentality - through political processes and elections - is better than civil war. Many Dem-leaning whites already subscribe to this change. Similarly, Indian-Americans will need to position themselves and sanatan dharma to be a leading part of the future in the US, rather than suck up to the old establishment in a reactive/short-sighted manner.

Once this happens, the US society and government will no longer be viable to function according to the 1776 model of a monolithic, effectively monocultural, hegemonic/global state. Once the US society becomes highly heterogeneous - and also no longer occupying the top spot in everything globally - there will no longer remain the resources and will to do "regime changes", intervene in global conflicts, nor even influence continental Europe (where white/Xtian control is already receding).

[bala]

Utter delusion to think that American born and brought up folks will put Dharma and Shraddha above national interests.

No worries. I am not holding my breath for anyone will use Dharma and Shraddha, though it may knaw them in the back of heads now and then. That is power of Dharma/Shraddha for any human being.

It doesn't matter which party has more if the actions are the same.. You can cry about 8-10 Indian American dems and ignore the 6-7 Republicans but that doesn't make it any less true.

Bhai sahab you started crying about Vivek et al. I just pointed out the same for the other side. We are even. No need to cry for either of them.

Its all the same whether it's Tulsi, Vivek, Kamala, Ro or anyone.. The only time they will remember their "Indianess" is when it helps them politically and aligns with what their voters want to hear

True. So you need to temper your own stmts regarding either of them.

Better to recognize that Americans or any other country for that matter will act in their own interests and fight your own battles than hoping for crumbs in the form of one tweet or statement which makes no difference on the ground anyway

I would expect the same for Indian Politicos too. Bother about their own interests and nations. Immigrants to the US are just riding on a perk. Their children born in the US are different. Like Russell Peters says he thinks like a Canadian/White because he was born there, not Indian.

Remember our opinions don't matter for the US election. We have to deal with whoever the American people elect and hedge our interests appropriately.

[KL Dubey]

Folks here say Kamala has been silent but how much have we heard from Vivek Ramaswamy, Usha Vance or Nikki Haley for that matter?

And for that matter, why has JD Vance not added her to his "childless cat lady" list ? Cat got his tongue

As for Tulsi-behn, I do have much respect for her - but I hope that Trump's choice of someone like JD Vance (over someone like her) as running mate is a sobering realization of why karmayoga should never be used to align with/support adharmic people and ideologies. Same goes for "Chatur" Ramaswami.

PS: "Dharmic" does not signify religious views, unlike the "momin-kafir" concept in some peaceful religions.

[bala]

Dharma has its origin in Rta which is cosmic order, similar to how stars and planets in the cosmos behave in some order. Dharma is the equivalent for Jiva which is deemed by Shri Krishna as "higher power" of the Brahman. Shraddha is also the voice in your head that tells you whether what you are doing is right or wrong. Of course your Ahankar can override such a voice. Even an axe murderer gets the same voice in head but due to his Ahankar conditioning axemurderer.

So above two have no religious connotation, it is universal and terms in Sanskrit.

[KL Dubey]

The DNC has more Indian origin people.

Just curious - how do you know that ? I could not find the current DNC roster.

I did find the 2016-2020 roster: https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/upl ... MPLE.0.pdf

I couldn't find a single Indian/Hindu name in the entire list of leadership/members/officers/at-large members. There is one Sheikh Rahman but he is a Bangladeshi from GA, and one A J Durrani from TX (not sure if he is of Indian descent). This roster was compiled after Tulsi left the vice-chair position.

[Vayutuvan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_i ... igh_Castle

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Very interesting book, but a little hard to understand what PKD was trying to say.

[Vayutuvan]

One thing: poster "Vayutuvan", I am not interested in any personal debate here. However, do not plagiarize my posts by pasting them and changing a few words to upend their meaning. I will not take very kindly to this.

Mirror Mirror on the Wall
Who is the fairest of them all?

(I readily agree that I plagiarized the above from Brothers Grimm)
(Also from Shakespeare once before)

I changed a couple of words to show that that kind of boilerplate language can work for various situations. I under no illusion that I am writing some great prose/poetry here on BRF. It is not required even.