India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[Jay]

I'm not sure what India would get by publicly saying that US's treatment of this matter is "unjustified and unreasonable". Trump sees this as evidence that he's hurting India and will not cede his place. Trump only responds to threats to his power and the more he sees the other side as "begging" the more he will apply pressure.

[Rudradev]

It's a well thought-out diplomatic statement for a very wide variety of audiences, including other governments across the world and other actors in the US establishment (who might actually know a thing or two about diplomacy).

By the standards of diplomatese, an official public statement saying that the position of a foreign government is "unjustified and unreasonable" is as strongly condemnatory as you are ever likely to see in peacetime. It indicates that India sees any compromise with the US' stated position as unachievable, and therefore, India refuses to give an inch under the present circumstances.

The one person who is NOT part of the intended audience is Trump. India clearly regards any pronouncements from him as beneath contempt, so he is free to interpret and react to the statement in any way he likes-- it won't change India's position.

[Jay]

It's a well thought-out diplomatic statement for a very wide variety of audiences, including other governments across the world and other actors in the US establishment (who might actually know a thing or two about diplomacy).

We seem to still play by the old rules even when the old rules here left the station. Who are we trying to impress with this "pleading" tone? Even the highly stuffed euro tard politicians have shed their diplomatic tone as this is highly ineffective with the power we are negotiating with. Show this idiot the money and/or the power/influence we can bring to the table to be effective. This groveling will lead to more groveling in the future.

[Tanaji]

What power/influence can India bring to the table in this fight? Its a genuine question, not a rhetorical one.

I dont think we have any cards. The slightest action against NRIs and H1Bs will cause them to vocally protest against GoI and this will be amplified by our own politicians to bring the current government down.

[Rudradev]

What power/influence can India bring to the table in this fight? Its a genuine question, not a rhetorical one.

Harsh Madhusudan has some practical ideas.



Most of them are not about what to bring to the table in this particular event-- options for an immediate response are always limited when an economy 7X your size starts a fight with you out of the blue. Rather, they are about what India can do to strengthen its position after slamming the door on any kind of deal with America in the present circumstances.

The slightest action against NRIs and H1Bs will cause them to vocally protest against GoI and this will be amplified by our own politicians to bring the current government down.

Action by whom?

[bala]

Unfortunately most language models have a subtle anti India bias . Cannot emphasize enough the need for having indigenous models .

The issue is RAG - retrieval augmented generation. These are glorified look up tables which have the content. The content is written by somebody with a US viewpoint. The LLMs just regurgitate whatever is in the lookup.

An Indian LLM will also use such RAGs unless someone takes the time to correct the information. The problem is India does not have sufficient material written from the Indian perspective including things like Sanskrit/Vedas, etc. Unless this topic is addressed the world will continue to see such bias.

[uddu]

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