India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[V_Raman]

IMO - India will be in conflict with USA - in a decade or maybe two. We better be ready...

[Amber G.]

Meanwhile noticing..
So far some Indian American groups like @IAMCouncil@sikh_coalition & H4HR haven't condemned Trump's sharing an anti-Indian rant. Instead some choose to target us!

And like clockwork @mehdirhasan takes time to RT a fringe group who daftly cries about an old post where about appropriated Heritage's "Project 2025" to share


They care more about feeding their ecosystem than Indians or Americans or Indian-Americans. Here is one disgusting individual:

[Amber G.]

RFK Jr: "A Democratic senator claimed it's mathematically impossible to have a drug drop by 600%. I said, 'Well, if the drug was $100 and it raises to $600, that would be a 600% rise. If it drops from $600 to $100, that's a 600% savings.'"

Trump: "Right"

[A_Gupta]

RFK Jr: "A Democratic senator claimed it's mathematically impossible to have a drug drop by 600%. I said, 'Well, if the drug was $100 and it raises to $600, that would be a 600% rise. If it drops from $600 to $100, that's a 600% savings.'"

Trump: "Right"

500% rise (a 100% rise is a doubling, a 200% rise is a tripling…, a 600% rise is a seven-folding).
And the savings % claimed is utterly ridiculous.

[S_Madhukar]

https://x.com/_TheUnknown007_/status/20 ... 06516?s=20

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What many Indians forget is that India US relations have been declining steadily since 2020, after Galwan. It was after Galwan that the Indian government realised that the Americans ultimately wanted India to fight China. That was one of the main reasons the US supported India through investments after 2014. Their long term plan was to build India into a force capable of confronting China, while the US would fight a hybrid war in the background, similar to what it is doing today in Europe through the Russia Ukraine conflict.

Once the Americans realised after Galwan that India would not fight China on their instructions, relations began to deteriorate from their side. After that, pressure increased under the Biden administration.
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Saar not that I want a conflict but if the Han tucked their tails between their legs and fired a dozen generals what are we to do ? And how did the great Unkil media let it slip away, they could have stood by us like they did with NaPakis… Our current government does not inhale the white stuff they supply to Kstanis, Ukr and others.
And how about GE engines ?
Problem is this admin knows clock is ticking on their debt that could soften the $ hence like you said this Eyeran business has been another try.

Reports are that 20 C17 worth of equipment has arrived in Pukestan partially to aid the US convoy but also repair or replace other equipment Bakis lost in the previous Op. Once again they will sit in those bases while we will be handicapped in our Baki thrashing ability. We have given NaPakis breathing space to sell themselves completely to Unkil.

[Manish_Sharma]

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Mostly agree. The difference is this. The Biden Administration people played a very sophisticated game of Good Cop (Jake Sullivan, NSA) and Bad Cop (Anthony Blinken, SOS) to manipulate India. When steps were taken to undermine or pressurize India it was done quietly, away from the limelight, so that the GOI knew what was going on but most of the public was unaware. When more escalation was needed they would step it up to a level that received social media & MSM attention-- such as staging the Agro-Dalal Protests, openly accusing India of trying to assassinate Khalistanis, etc. But they always had their hand on the control to "dial it back" appropriately-- if India complied ........

Reading this part a bunch of memories of events during biden term which i thought i had forgotten went through my mind like a film...

Biden-obama-clintons have been more Stealthy but very very sinister & dangerous to Bharat i think compared to loud barker Trump (who has actually awakened lot of Hindus that usa is enemy)
But under Democrats it becomes B2 bomber Stealthy, while under भौंका trumpp it has become Loud & visible like B52

1st visit of NaMo at start of Biden term was a damp squib, I remember he had a media address with vp kamala not Biden. I remember videos of jerks like kkr jeering at Nationalists... taunting on Howdy trumpp event

Later suddenly there was a news of NaMo suddenly at Vatican when Biden was at Vatican & NaMo issuing invite to argentanian pope... again lots of jeering on why invite pope during Catholic usa president only..

Also some months back somebody pointed that during Biden term we were forced to buy 250b$ worth treasuries... out of which 90B$ worth Nirmala ji sold as a slap to usa when all dogs of trump admin were barking & that diluted trump teams aggression.

Also 2nd visit of NaMo during Biden was much more welcoming than 1st. But during that visit obama gave a nasty interview in which he said how he 'used his connection with Modi to make Modi sign Paris accord on environment', as if obama was explaining himself for hobnobbing with a terrible person like Modi!

Also between 2 type of followers (Indians)
A.) Democrat followers
B.) Trump followers

There's a HUGE DIFFERENCE with some exceptions

a) Clinton-Obama-Biden 's supporters STICK with them no matter how much Dems inject poison in Bharat's veins they'll never ever criticize Dem leadership but instead post some bland formal plastic statements of state department or usa embassy how much India means as a trusted partner to usa to brush aside all the mischief of Dems govt THEiR LEFTIST LIB Loyalty is supreme, they pretend to be Bharat lover but actually carry agenda of Madeline Albright phrase "cap, roll back, and eliminate"

b) Indian Trump supporters have turned thoroughly against him eversince the start of his 2nd term (Of course with few exceptions) SHOWING THEIR PRIORITY is Bharat...

I remember during hillary vs Trump campaign you had posted 18 incidents where clintons injured Bharat but clinton supporters never ever criticised clintons even on that BUT had resorted to 'so what? Look immoral behavior of hillary opponents.."

So भौंका Trump is good in a sense that he has awakened people that usa is enemy

While Democrats are like a silent Stealthy Indonesian Krait snake

[uddu]

Arnab Goswami Gives A Reality Check To Donald Trump Over 'Hellhole' India Banter
As emphasized by Arnab Goswami, the Indian government has condemned a social media post posted by Donald Trump that called India a "hellhole," calling the remarks "inappropriate" and "in poor taste." Trump published a four-page copy of comments made by conservative podcast presenter Michael Savage on Wednesday, criticizing the US Constitution's guarantee of citizenship to all individuals born in the nation. The article falsely claimed that Indian immigrants lacked English competence and accused them of not employing white native-born Americans in the IT sector without providing any proof. The US president's comments were denounced as "obviously uninformed, inappropriate, and in poor taste" by Randhir Jaiswal, a spokesman for the Indian foreign ministry. Trump's sparring with India contrasts with decades of attempts by US presidents to avoid conflict and foster ties with the biggest democracy in the world, which US strategists have viewed as a counterweight to competitor China.

[Manish_P]

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loud barker Trump (who has actually awakened lot of Hindus that usa is enemy)

But under Democrats it becomes B2 bomber Stealthy, while under भौंका trumpp it has become Loud & visible like B52
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Nice analogy, Manish Ji.

This is the way i will remember it henceforth.

Democratic party logo - Donkey



Republican party logo - Elephant

[Manish_Sharma]

....
loud barker Trump (who has actually awakened lot of Hindus that usa is enemy)

But under Democrats it becomes B2 bomber Stealthy, while under भौंका trumpp it has become Loud & visible like B52
...

Nice analogy, Manish Ji.

This is the way i will remember it henceforth.

Democratic party logo - Donkey



Republican party logo - Elephant

[chetak]

My point exactly, Manish_Sharma ji.


There was pushback that caused him to recant and right what they told him was the wrong


The commies in India, masquerading as "historians" have never ever recanted the BS and crap they have written about India and her Hindu civilization


do you really think that romilla thapar and her ilk do not know that they spew utter and unmitigated crap


She has tenure at some foreign university and she marches to the tune of their drummer


And the congi govts of those days past, treated them like state assets and showered them with honour, money, protected jobs and glory


JNU, jamia and AMU still turnout such cookie cutter "historians" on an assembly line basis, using public funds

Why would brits pushback & pressure to expose their own Churchill as: "worse than hitler"

Who has wherewithal to force anyone to dilute the evilness of Hitler compared to Churchill?

To most brits Churchill is hero..

Leftist historians would anyway never favor hitler

Manish_Sharma ji,


His venal, and pathological greed to hold on eternally to the "Jewel in the crown", and his blind, xenophobic, racist driven, bigoted, and communal hatred for India and the Indians has been widely documented

The huge amount of money made from colonising India, as well as the fact that some of the current crown jewels were taken from India, is one of the reasons some historians say the colony became known as the 'jewel in the crown'.

Winston Churchill : his times, his crimes -- Tariq Ali

A coruscating portrait of Britain’s greatest imperialist

The modern Churchill cult is out of control, closing down debate and encouraging support for twenty-first-century wars. The wartime leader has become a household god for many, preserving an antiquated vision of Britain still shared by all three parties. Yet, was he anything more than a plump carp happy to swim in the foulest of ponds to defend the Empire?

Churchill himself never bothered to conceal his passionate defence of the British Empire or its attendant racism. On a more personal level, his complacent self-belief influenced his every step and frequently tripped him up. As the head of the British Navy during the First World War, he was responsible for a series of calamitous errors that cost thousands of lives. His attempt to crush the Irish nationalists left wounds that have yet to heal. His attacks on striking workers in Glasgow and Tonypandy, his posturing when calling in the army to burn two anarchists in London’s East End, his vicious propaganda during the General Strike were not forgotten or forgiven.

Even during the war against Germany, the most revered period of his career, Churchill’s crimes abroad continued, including the brutal assault on the Greek Resistance, the Bengal Famine that cost over 3 million Indian lives, the all-out assault on civilians in Dresden and Hamburg, and the insistence on the use of nuclear weapons in Japan.

Postwar, he continued to cause harm in Iran and Kenya.

His is a terrible record, amply documented in Tariq Ali’s indictment.

[bala]

While Democrats are like a silent Stealthy Indonesian Krait snake

Great post Manish ji!

People like Rajiv Malhotra have been battling other snakes in Harvard and elite institutions and published snakes in the ganga book. The entire Ukraine saga is one snake like venture by the US mainly Dems.

DJT has blown all the pretense cover of the US deep state operators including CIA, Pentagon, State Dept. Everything is quite transparent and the world sees the naked greed of the US. India has to wake up to the actual reality and not pretend that US is some kind of a friend, hardly true. When you are ascending on the scale of nations in the world you have to watch out for big boy games since they can cripple you somehow.

[Amber G.]

Donald Trump just posted this on Truth Social.

No words!

[Amber G.]

Hegseth says “the U.S. military should win the Nobel Peace Prize every single year” -What a pathetic clown.

[Manish_P]

Donald Trump just posted this on Truth Social.

No words!
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What is this supposed to mean... that he has just discovered filters?

[putnanja]

Donald Trump just posted this on Truth Social.

No words!
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What is this supposed to mean... that he has just discovered filters?

He had mentioned in another tweet earlier that he will clean up that lake. Maybe he is posting after the lake was cleaned, which is like a local city corporation job!

[Amber G.]

^^^ Also he forgot... the clouds (and the some of the ducks) are same in both the pictures..(poor photoshop/AI of an earlier photo - now pointed out from the Bush's time .... )

[Amber G.]

11 Planes now

[Amber G.]

Just sharing:
Thomas P (TOM) Logan @TokyoTom2020
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Note: Critical international response to the White House Correspondents Dinner (#WHCD) incident and post-facto “ #ReichstagFire” political implications:

The international press has been quick to frame the White House Correspondents' Dinner shooting as a potential "Reichstag moment," with several non-American outlets expressing skepticism about how the incident will be leveraged for political gain by Trump, his party and core supporters.

Foreign Media Skepticism (Last 4 Hours)

• Le Monde (France): A lead editorial suggests the incident is being "meticulously staged" to justify a broader crackdown on domestic political opposition. The analysis notes that while the trauma is real, the speed with which the administration pivoted to "enemies within" rhetoric suggests a prepared response.

• Der Spiegel (Germany): Using the most direct historical parallels, commentators have questioned whether this represents a "Washingtoner Reichstagsbrand" (Washington Reichstag Fire). The skepticism centers on the immediate call for emergency decrees and the suspension of standard legal oversight following the shooting.

• El País (Spain): Reports focus on the "transactional use of tragedy," noting that the incident provides a convenient distraction from recent setbacks in the Middle East and domestic economic pressures.

• The Guardian (UK): Coverage emphasizes the "security-industrial complex" of the administration, suggesting the shooting will be used to permanently "fortify" the executive branch against judicial and legislative scrutiny.

The prevailing sentiment in these original-language reports follows three distinct lines of skepticism:

The "Pre-Written" Script:

Observation that the political messaging—targeting specific "radical" groups—emerged before the shooter was even fully identified.

The "Bargaining Chip" Theory:

In Asia, particularly in Taiwan (United Daily News), there is concern that a "shaken" administration might use the domestic crisis as an excuse to pull back from international commitments, focusing instead on internal "purification."

The "Basket Case" Narrative:

Across European outlets, the shooting is cited as final proof that the U.S. has devolved into a "failed state" where even the most secure elite gatherings are subject to the same chaos as rural schools.

[Amber G.]

also: CbsNews:

The shooting happened on the level above the ballroom where the White House Correspondents Association dinner was.
I don't think people hearing about this -- or even those of us in the room -- realized how far from the president, VP and other guests this incident was. It was on another floor, up some stairs and several sets of security away.
Because the Washington Hilton's hotel and other public spaces were open for other functions, the entire building wasn't secured by the Secret Service, just the specific areas where the WHCA dinner was held, law enforcement officials told
@CBSNews

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POTUS, VP, SOS, Speaker of the House -- all were there ... with this kind of Security!

[Amber G.]

This does not making America great again.:


News from Science: U.S. President Donald Trump has fired all 24 members of the National Science Board, the body that oversees the National Science Foundation. Many science advocates see it as the latest step by his administration to erode—some would say destroy—the independence of the 76-year-old research agency.

[Amber G.]

America’s favourite Field Marshal, Asim Munir;s Pakistan, is also on the list? How is this possible after the great global rise of Pakistan?
(The Department of State has paused the issuance of immigrant visas to nationals of 75 countries, .. whose immigrants have a high rate of collecting public assistance at the expense of the U.S. taxpayer. Nonimmigrant visas, including tourist and student visas, are not impacted by this pause.)

[uddu]

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