North Korea conducts underground nuclear test

[hnair]

NoKo is a complete chinese stooge, and has the chinese nuclear umbrella which has deterred the south and the US for so many years.

You are quite off the mark here. The Chinese have almost zero influence in North Korea. The last time North Korea tested a nuke, the Chinese moved the 39th Group Army (one of their two most-modernized group armies) to the Sino-North Korean border.

The current test was Kim's last shot to let people within his country know as to who is the boss. The middle ranks of North Korea's armed forces realize the basket case that their country is. Expect a civil war in North Korea within the next decade.

North Korea depends on China for electricity, oil and money, and on South Korea for food. So what is stopping the two countries from creating a trade blockade and eliminating Kim and his stooges?

20 million refugees.

China has zero influence in Pakistan too. Where they able to stop a bunch of lathi weilding girls from closing down that lucrative massage parlor? The 20 million NKo refugees will flow into the richer (and more familiar) place across their border - South Korea. Refugees know their refuge and certainly China is never the top country for **any** refugees anywhere.

China keeps its two dogs on a tight leash - Pakis and NKoreans. This test was planned and discussed over Mah Jong a long time back in Beijing.

[Tilak]

I dont expect unkil to do that ,although such efforts of bringing of bringing everyone under the npt,ctbt.. are always going on as we hear in media, but, India?.. no chance,
specially a nuke deal with India is not meant to bring it under such umbrella,
and after nuke deal ,nothing stops India in nuke arena

May be you want to read this.. its called "Presidential Determination" which should be signed by President of US annually, on which US side of the Nuclear deal is contingent on. If the POTUS declines to issue it, it will lead to termination of "United States-India Nuclear Cooperation Approval and Non-proliferation Enhancement Act, signed on October 8, 2008 by External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee and his counterpart Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice"

Presidential Determination #2008-26 signed by George Bush - (9/10/2008) [PDF]
@ US House of Representatives (Committee on Foreign Affairs)

....
.....
In addition, pursuant to the authority vested in me by the Consitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Henry J. Hyde United States -India Peaceful Atomic Energy Cooperation Act of 2006 (Public Law 109-401),

I hereby determine that :


4) India is working actively with the United States for the early conclusion of a multilateral treaty on the cessation of the production of fissile materials for the use in Nuclear weapons or other nuclear devices. (FMCT)

5) India is working with and supporting United States and international efforts to prevent the spread of Enrichment and reprocessing technology to any state that does not already possess full-scale, functioning enrichment or reprocessing plants; (PSI)

6) India is taking necessary steps to secure nuclear and other sensitive materials and technology , including through
a)....
b) harmonization of its export control laws, regulations, policies, and practices with the guidelines and practices of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) and the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG);
c) adherence to the MTCR and the NSG in accordance with the procedures of those regimes for unilateral adherence; (MTCR)

and btw who are the first clients in selling nuke plants,fuel to India, .. russia,& france.

Vendor\Vend"or\, n. [See Vender.]

A vender; a seller; the correlative of vendee.

since 2-3 yrs I have seen on brf that some people behave as if living in fool's paradise ,just one or two events here and there and they start making disproportionate conclusions like that keeping India in the same bracket as noko,iran,pakistan is just as foolish as it could be in international diplomacy.

Come again.. did you say "Living in Fools Paradise"? .. BTW.. Congrats! it took "2-3 years" too early.. for you to .

:AOT:

[Philip]

Too true,now China is warning the west about a naval spat if a naval blockade of NoKo takes place.It is a subtle warning that China too could come to NoKo's assistance if it is attacked.AS was with the Korean War,China WILL come to Dear Leader Kim's aid if the regime is in danger of being overthrown militarily by the South or the US.China's two "attack dogs" are Pak and NoKo.

Is the US planning a naval blockade of N.Korea? China seems to think so and expects a naval clash between NoKo and SoKo warships if it happens. If such a blockade takes place ,or even forced inspection of NoKo merchantmen,then all bets are off on the likelihood of a spat.NoKo has earlier warned Japan too about inspections.What Obama should really do is to completely ignore NoKo's latest N-test.What does it prove? Nothing that one didn't know earlier,that NoKo was a (primitive) nuclear power,that possessed some rocketry that not always worked,but had mastered short and medium range rockets that could hit Japan.In fact Japan has more to fear from China's N-missiles than NoKo! Giving NoKo such importance and giving the heebie-jeebies to the Paacific Rim nations is playing into Dear Leader Kim's hands.Perhaps that's what the US wants so that the headless chicken states allied to the US start ordering wholesale US arms! War is good for busines and rumours of war almost as good.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Korea.html

Chinese boats fear naval clash between North and South Korea
Chinese fishing boats have begun pulling out from the disputed maritime border between North and South Korea amid heightened fears that tensions between the two countries could precipitate a naval clash in the coming days.

[John Snow]

" Elementary Dr. Watson"

Noko is a malliable buffer state for PRC, against Japan, and Unkil via South Korea.

Only Indian leadership will keep quiet when buffer states like Tibet, Nepal Burma Fall into the orbit of enemy. Thanks to IG atleast we have Sikkim.

With out NoKo and TSP PRC loses a lot of leverage with unkil and cant brow beat India.

some folks come here to BRF and tell us that PRC is upset with NoKo, please go back and continue to browse insted of posting.

[Samay]

I dont expect unkil to do that ,although such efforts of bringing of bringing everyone under the npt,ctbt.. are always going on as we hear in media, but, India?.. no chance,
specially a nuke deal with India is not meant to bring it under such umbrella,
and after nuke deal ,nothing stops India in nuke arena

May be you want to read this.. its called "Presidential Determination"
Come again.. did you say "Living in Fools Paradise"? .. BTW.. Congrats! it took "2-3 years" too early.. for you to .

:AOT:

^^now that is called writing without thinking,I know about such formalities that US president has to do every year, my point was that India cannot be put in the same league as nk,pigs and iran,but you are posting links to prove that it could be,shows too much influence of US diplomacy on people and not the real picture, like john snow is pointing out in above post.,and is suggesting something in his last sentence for such people.
who cares(not evn noko) whether any bushy,obama signs a presidential determination or not, we could say that nuke deal was a final certificate that proves that India is not in that league or in the league of others(npt regime), and its now free to act in its own way hence nuke deals with russia ,france etc(of course americans will be paid their due)

[Samay]

" Elementary Dr. Watson"

Noko is a malliable buffer state for PRC, against Japan, and Unkil via South Korea.

Only Indian leadership will keep quiet when buffer states like Tibet, Nepal Burma Fall into the orbit of enemy. Thanks to IG atleast we have Sikkim.

With out NoKo and TSP PRC loses a lot of leverage with unkil and cant brow beat India.

some folks come here to BRF and tell us that PRC is upset with NoKo, please go back and continue to browse insted of posting.

correct
what we see is not the true picture, diplomatic actions are not the final type of actions, either they point out in one infinite or to other but they never determine the true course of action, eg like that on pigs after 26/11.

[Gerard]

Photos show activity at NKorean missile site: US

US satellite photos have revealed vehicle activity at a site in North Korea suggesting the regime may be preparing to launch a long-range ballistic missile, two US defense officials said on Friday.

[John Snow]

Again Jim M the NBC pentagon correspondent downplayed based on his sources in DOD, saying nothing new nothing to worry, all NoKo is doing is trying to get some more attention, nothing to worry except if NoKo gives the bum to terrorists or transfers the knowledge.

{ thanks Xerox khan they (terrorists) have the knowledge but are just looking for collection material} how blind can the Obama admin be?

[Samay]

Again Jim M the NBC pentagon correspondent downplayed based on his sources in DOD, saying nothing new nothing to worry, all NoKo is doing is trying to get some more attention, nothing to worry except if NoKo gives the bum to terrorists or transfers the knowledge.

{ thanks Xerox khan they (terrorists) have the knowledge but are just looking for collection material} how blind can the Obama admin be?

THEY AREN'T BLIND

[John Snow]

ok Bind

[Gerard]

Editorial - Unreasonableness in hardline responses to N. Korea

The most dangerous of these arguments is the one promoting South Korea nuclear armament with the logic of “stopping nukes with nukes.” A few days ago, Liberty Forward Party lawmaker Park Sun-young openly raised the need for nuclear capabilities for self-defense purposes. One wonders if she said this having considered the catastrophic effects an arms race on the Korean Peninsula would bring. On Monday, the day of the nuclear test, South Korean Minister of National Defense Lee Sang-Hee raised a flap by talking about “responding to nuclear weapons with nuclear weapons” in a meeting of the National Assembly’s National Defense Committee. And in a meeting of the National Assembly‘s Foreign Affairs, Trade and Unification Committee yesterday, Foreign Minister Yu Myung-hwan said he thought, “We need to seriously discuss the issue of our (nuclear) sovereignty too.”

[Gerard]

North Korea threat triggers calls for stronger Japanese military

[Gerard]

The North Korean nuclear test: The Japanese reaction

[Gerard]

What if North Korea were the only nuclear weapon state?

A world with North Korea as the only nuclear power would be a rather uncomfortable place, but the world in which it is the ninth nuclear weapons state is even more uncomfortable.

[Tilak]

I dont expect unkil to do that ,although such efforts of bringing of bringing everyone under the npt,ctbt.. are always going on as we hear in media, but, India?.. no chance,
specially a nuke deal with India is not meant to bring it under such umbrella,
and after nuke deal ,nothing stops India in nuke arena

^^now that is called writing without thinking,

Yes indeed.. you were .

I know about such formalities that US president has to do every year,

As in

I dont expect unkil to do that.... but, India?.. no chance, specially a nuke deal with India is not meant to bring it under such umbrella,

my point was that India cannot be put in the same league as nk,pigs and iran,but you are posting links to prove that it could be,shows too much influence of US diplomacy on people and not the real picture

Is this some kind of Samay's Fatwa(ie. "cannot") now. (or could they act in which ever way the situation demands ?, if they choose to).. But Oh!.. I will concede that.. not everybody is a Oracle/Insider who formulates the policy of everchanging US administrations, vis.a.vis a person who sees the "real picture" .

Remember lessons from Tarapur

The U.S. has entered into some twenty-five 123 agreements with various countries, including the one concerning Tarapur. The Tarapur agreement concluded in 1963 was unique in that it guaranteed supplies of enriched uranium fuel from the U.S. for running the Tarapur reactors for their entire life. However, after 1978 the U.S. did not supply fuel saying its domestic legislation (under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act) prevented it from doing so. India argued that Tarapur was an inter-governmental agreement and hence it had to be honoured by the U.S. But to no avail. However, later, the U.S. allowed France to supply fuel to India. Subsequently, the USSR (now Russia) and even China supplied fuel for Tarapur.

The lesson from the Tarapur episode is that the U.S. breached with impunity even a cast-iron guarantee it had furnished. Considerable bitterness grew between the U.S. and India and extended to many other areas beyond the nuclear one.

who cares(not evn noko) whether any bushy,obama signs a presidential determination or not, we could say that nuke deal was a final certificate that proves that India is not in that league or in the league of others(npt regime), and its now free to act in its own way hence nuke deals with russia ,france etc(of course americans will be paid their due)

Now from somebody who sees the "real picture" to "who cares" - is quite an exhibition of downhill skiing..

[IndraD]

Again Jim M the NBC pentagon correspondent downplayed based on his sources in DOD, saying nothing new nothing to worry, all NoKo is doing is trying to get some more attention, nothing to worry except if NoKo gives the bum to terrorists or transfers the knowledge.

{ thanks Xerox khan they (terrorists) have the knowledge but are just looking for collection material} how blind can the Obama admin be?

Those who need to be worried (in direct range of bum) are genuinely worried (SoKo & Japan)

[harbans]

For all the good intentions that proponents of global nuclear disarmament, fact is that verifiable complete disarmament is close to an impossibility. IIRC when the Chemical Weapons Ban convention came out and countries encouraged to declare their stockpiles, there was a shock amongst experts when India declared the largest or second largest Chemical weapons stockpile (pl correct me if i am wrong) very faithfully. But does that mean India faithfully declared and destroyed their stockpiles, or other nations underdeclared and destroyed only part of their stockpiles.

Even if global disarmament comes into force, Pakistan will stock away a few dozen nukes and relevent material to initiate a cold start to rev or assemble devices in little to no time in case of a crisis with India. No country is faithfully going to declare their complete assets. Only goody goody countries like India will faithfully declare and account every bit to the last mg of radioactive material..

Rather than work for complete global disarmament, there must be a way to bring radical change in the way countries that possess them behave and think. The only 2 countries that use nuclear weapons as a blackmail tool are NK and Pakistan. Both are controlled by China and are extremely good allies of Beijing. I can still see that NK can be tamed, specially if the great leader has a stroke or two more. If China is pressured hard, maybe there are slim chances of denuclearization occurring.

Else the chance we hve to take, is allowing these 2 countries to run their course and becoming failed states. No amount of 4 letter treaties can box the nuclear genie back inside the bottle. JMT/

[Purush]

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCr ... SWBT011299

WASHINGTON, May 29 (Reuters) - Initial U.S. testing to determine whether North Korea fired a nuclear device on Monday proved "inconclusive," said a U.S. official on Friday.

Trying to downplay the test publicly so that they don't have to take action.

[Gerard]

there was a shock amongst experts when India declared the largest or second largest Chemical weapons stockpile (pl correct me if i am wrong) very faithfully.

Actually India had a tiny, laughable stockpile - just 1044 tons of sulphur mustard probably leftover from the Raj era, discovered after India's original declaration that it did not possess CW.

[Gerard]

US 'opposes' nuclear North Korea

"We will not stand idly by as North Korea builds the capability to wreak destruction on any target in the region or on us," Mr Gates added.

[ShauryaT]

Harbans: I am of the view that with the advent of NoKo on the nuclear scene, the proliferation from TSP and India pursuing a nuclear arsenal, nuclear weapons have actually become a liability for the west, as it limits their conventional military dominance.

I will not be surprised, if the west starts pursuing a strategy of disarmament (even if not complete), in the name of elimination.

Any sign of weakness from the US to extend its nuclear umbrella in the pacific, will trigger a reaction in SK and Japan, who have the capability to go nuclear, very quickly, especially Japan.

Watch for Iran next and then a chain reaction into Saudi Arabia, with TSP help. Umrao Jaan's dream of an ICBM in the front yard and a nuclear bum in the backyard, has frightening visibility on the horizon.

[satya]

If West doesn't take action against NoKo's nuke program in near future then probably BMD (missile defense ) has become the new nuke and again it will differentiate haves & havenots something nuclear weapons did till not so long ago . I don't know how effective current BMD program in west is but surely Western strategists do know that allowing NoKo will open a lot of flood gates for nukes in other regions specially ME and if they let it happen then they certainly will have a fall back plan and one of those plans could potentially involve BMD as the central point .

[Gerard]

North Korean nuclear program sign of 'dark future,' Pentagon chief says

[Gerard]

'China Has Lost Face' over North Korea

[Gerard]

North Korea, the dead land

[Gerard]

U.S. ‘Likely’ Could Intercept North Korean Missile

“I believe we have a reasonable chance” of an intercept, Charles McQueary, director of operational test and evaluation, said in an interview ... “I’d put it ‘likely’ -- than ‘highly likely’ -- as opposed to putting it ‘unlikely,” he said on his last day in office

[Gerard]

North Korea Preparing to Fire ICBM

North Korea has developed and produced parts and bodies of long-range missiles at Sanumdong. It manufactured the body and other parts of the long-range rocket launched April 5 at the complex, moved them to Musudan-ri in North Hamkyong Province via train, reassembled the parts, and fired the rocket from the launch site in Musudan-ri.

[Gerard]

More North Korean Nuclear Tests "Quite Possible," Says Senior U.S. Official

[Gerard]

A spokesman for the DPRK Foreign Ministry issued a statement on Friday as regards the UNSC's threat to put additional sanctions against the DPRK, terming its successful nuclear test a violation of the UNSC Resolution 1718.

http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm

Over the past several decades, the DPRK has made every possible effort for the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, but the U.S., instead of seeking a substantial removal of nuclear threats, has steadily increased the level of pressure upon the DPRK and it has eventually brought even the six-party talks to collapse in wanton violation of the principles of respect for the sovereignty and sovereign equality, the underlying spirits of the September 19 Joint Statement, over the DPRK's launch of satellite, the universally recognized right of each state, the statement noted, and said:

At present, some countries were shocked at the news of the DPRK's second nuclear test. But an exceptional act has its exceptional reason.

The recent nuclear test conducted by the DPRK is the 2054th one on the earth.

The five permanent members of the UNSC have conducted 99.99 percent of all the nuclear tests.

Those countries have posed the biggest nuclear threats to the world. But they took issue with our first nuclear test, which was conducted in October 2006 as a self-defensive measure to cope with increased nuclear threats by the U.S., terming it a "threat to the international peace" and adopted the sanctions resolution against the DPRK. This is exactly the UNSC Resolution 1718.

This resolution fabricated by the hypocrites has immediately invited a total rejection by the DPRK and we still do not recognize such resolution.

The UNSC with such a record produced the "presidential statement" on April 14 putting in question only the satellite launched by the DPRK for the peaceful purpose and put into force the sanctions under its Resolution 1718 on April 24 only to cause an unbearable insult to the dignity of our people and gravely infringe upon the sovereignty of the DPRK.

The DPRK is neither a signatory to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty nor to the Missile Technology Control Regime or MTCR. Such being the case, it has a right to conduct as many nuclear tests or missile launches as it wants in the event that the supreme interests of the state are infringed upon. Such self-defensive measures do not run counter to any other international law.

The UNSC has committed such unprecedented crime as the wanton infringement upon the right of a sovereign state to explore outer space for peaceful purposes and, instead of repenting of it, it is proactive in its outcry to cover up its crime. Under these circumstances, the DPRK, at this point, would like to draw a clear line of confrontation which will help clearly state who is to blame for the future unpredictable development of the situation.

First, the UNSC is involved in its high-handed act which will never be tolerated and it is the part of the self-defensive measures of the DPRK to respond to this with its own nuclear test which we had already made public to the world. There is a limit to our patience.

It is none other than the U.S. and other forces courting the U.S. favor who should be held entirely responsible for driving the situation to such a pass as they took the DPRK's peaceful satellite launch to the UN to launch a condemnation campaign.

It is what they said to the DPRK that a satellite launch belongs to an independent right of a sovereign state. But, after our actual satellite launch, they took sides with the U.S. in its move to condemn the DPRK.

Those countries remained silent when the large scale nuclear war exercises such as Key Resolve and Foal Eagle joint military exercises took place in the depth of the Korean peninsula. But, When the DPRK was compelled to conduct a nuclear test as a self-defensive measure, they are united in their voice, condemning it as "a threat to the regional peace and stability".

It means that they do not like the DPRK to possess what they had already put in place. In the final analysis, they mean small countries should obey big countries. The DPRK, though small in its territory and population, has self-confidence and grit that it is a politically and militarily strong country.

Second, we solemnly demanded that the UNSC make an apology for its crime of having seriously encroached upon the sovereignty of a sovereign state in gross violation of the Space Treaty and that it withdraw all its previously-crafted, unfair resolutions and decisions. Such a demand still remains in force.

As long as the Permanent Five alone invested with veto power and nuclear weapons have the mandate to identify what constitutes a "threat to international peace and security", the UNSC is not supposed to bring their own acts of intimidation into question indefinitely.

As long as the UNSC fails to respond to the DPRK's just demand, the DPRK will not recognize any resolution and decision of the UNSC in the future, too.

Third, if the UNSC will make further provocative actions, this will inevitably lead to the DPRK's approach towards adopting stronger self-defensive counter-measures.

The end of the Cold War worldwide works only between big powers, but a Cold War still persists on the Korean Peninsula.

The UNSC-crafted UN Command itself is a signatory to the Korean Armistice Agreement.

Any hostile act by the UNSC immediately means the abrogation of the Armistice Agreement.

The world will soon find out how the army and people of the DPRK will stand up against the high-handed and get-it-alone approach of the UNSC in defending its dignity and sovereignty.

The U.S. is keen on using a catchphrase "Carrot and stick."

It would be better for the "Donkey" of the U.S. Democratic Party to lick the carrot.

[Sanjay M]

North Korea Preparing to Fire ICBM

North Korea has developed and produced parts and bodies of long-range missiles at Sanumdong. It manufactured the body and other parts of the long-range rocket launched April 5 at the complex, moved them to Musudan-ri in North Hamkyong Province via train, reassembled the parts, and fired the rocket from the launch site in Musudan-ri.

More North Korean Nuclear Tests "Quite Possible," Says Senior U.S. Official

We Indians should not laugh too much at the Western discomfiture over NKorea, since Pyongyang has already proliferated missile delivery technology to Pakistan, and could proliferate more such technology in the future, which could adversely affect India's security.

The only way to stop the nuclear blackmailer state North Korea is to destabilize them from within. Perhaps SKorea should dig its own tunnels northward under the DMZ, to send agents into the North to foment revolution.

[Virupaksha]

We Indians should not laugh too much at the Western discomfiture over NKorea, since Pyongyang has already proliferated missile delivery technology to Pakistan, and could proliferate more such technology in the future, which could adversely affect India's security.

The only way to stop the nuclear blackmailer state North Korea is to destabilize them from within. Perhaps SKorea should dig its own tunnels northward under the DMZ, to send agents into the North to foment revolution.

For Indians, we have been cooked by the ayatullah westerns in tango with nuclear blackmailer. Now is the time for some body else to be cooked.

In short, for us the damage by nuclear blackmailer has already been done. Not much more damage can be done. We have been given a free luxury executive class ticket to watch this show along with free popcorn and drinks. Let us enjoy the show. We are pure on lookers right now, with not much role we can play anyway.

[negi]

Gurulog I had a query regarding NoKo and TSP proliferation cartel.

As per general consensus Pakistan tested HEU-235 based designs in 1998 and at least one Chinese Pu based design ; however the NPA blogs and other open source sites say that NoKo device is a Pu device hence imho chances of PRC being directly involved are more than direct TSP assistance.

Having said that it is very much possible that PRC might have used Pakistan (Photochor's NW )as a proxy to procure and provide the necessary maal to NoKo , remember post 1993 (M-11 fiasco) how PRC used NoKo to provide marraging steel and other components critical to BM's to TSP .

All in all is NoKo's test basically a test of some new Chinese design (which lizard wishes to validate) or some cold war era relic handed to NoKo for needling unkil ?

[Keshav]

It would be good to revisit this topic: the destruction of a Syrian nuclear reactor which (although some have suspected) had ties to North Korea, either financially or physically.

http://warincontext.org/2008/04/25/edit ... r-reactor/

[John Snow]

AOA

I sincerely pray to Allah the all mighty (PBUH) that TSP tests a ICBM very very soon. TSP is no more Indian problem its a world wide problem child. Inshallah they continue to behave the Paki ways and never refoprm.

[harbans]

Actually India had a tiny, laughable stockpile - just 1044 tons of sulphur mustard probably leftover from the Raj era, discovered after India's original declaration that it did not possess CW.

Thanks, i must have misread somewhere. However some googling shows there are 3 categories of CWs.

By 2005, from among the six nations that had declared possession of chemical weapons, "India was the only one to meet its deadline for chemical weapons destruction and for inspection of its facilities by the OPCW", the journal points out.

In April 2003, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) Director General Rogelio Pfirter stated that India, the United States, and Russia will "have destroyed the percentage of munitions and chemical agents that they have committed themselves to reduce under the (1993 chemical weapons) convention." By November 2003, India had destroyed 45% of its declared Category 1 stockpile, thus meeting in advance the deadline set by the CWC. By the end of 2004, India had destroyed 1.7 metric tons of toxic waste that it had declared as Category 1 chemical weapons, all of its declared Category 2 chemical weapons, and all 1,558 of its Category 3 chemical weapons. Between 2004 and 2006 India experienced some difficulties with its CW destruction process that ultimately obliged it to seek an extension to its deadlines. In December 2006 the OPCW granted India an extension of its final deadline for the destruction of all of its Category 1 chemical weapons to 28 April 2009. The most recent public update on progress came on 28 January 2008 when the Indian government announced that it had succeeded in destroying 93 percent of its Category 1 stockpile.[17] On the basis of current schedules India will be the third nation to completely and verifiably destroy all of its chemical weapons and associated facilities. Nevertheless, the sophistication of India's domestic chemical industry would allow it to rapidly reconstitute a significant chemical weapons capability, if it chose to do so.

http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/ ... index.html

[shiv]

We Indians should not laugh too much at the Western discomfiture over NKorea, since Pyongyang has already proliferated missile delivery technology to Pakistan, and could proliferate more such technology in the future, which could adversely affect India's security.

Nonsense. India's sitution cannot get much worse. Our security has already hit rock bottom. I would be happy to have the US for company and sincerely hope that NoKo proliferates wildly and hands nuke tech weapons to every goddam maniac on earth.

It will never make India "more unsafe". It will only make the US more unsafe. Why would India and Indians want to protect US security when the US has shown no such sensitivity to Indian security?

[harbans]

^^ I agree with Shivji. India is already as unsafe as it gets. We've succumbed numerous time in the last decade to nuclear blackmail. In Kargil, 2002, various bomb blasts, then in Mumbai. Pakistan has gotten away by saying any retaliation/ strike/ breadown of Pakisatan/ attack by anyone on Paki nuke sites will lead to an attack on India with nukes. They have already recieved various missiles which effectively cover most Indian cities. So India is unsafe. Now the really ironic thing is IF there is more proliferation from NK/ Pakistan it will adversely affect US and Western security badly..and once that happens they will act and understand India better. (Remember we don't have leaders that can act, and looking at the liberal/ WKK establishment so well entrenched, it is unlikely we will see leadership that can make things safer).

[Prem]

Onlee think we should pray is for Japan and South Korea to go Nuclear at full speed with Persians and Arabs joining same time or latter.
Wonder if IRA related group needs Nuke to negotiate their freedom from opression by UQ?

[Anujan]

N. Korea Seen Moving Missile to Launchpad

North Korea, which launched a long-range missile over Japan in April, appeared Saturday to be moving another one to a launchpad.

The missile recently spotted on a cargo train resembled the Taepodong II missile that North Korea launched over northern Japan into the Pacific Ocean on April 5, an unnamed official told Yonhap, the South Korean news agency.

[Philip]

Thanks to Dear Leader Kim,we can now test our own ICBM citing NoKo as a danger to India as the west is making such a hullabaloo over NoKo's firework display.After all NoKo has sold its missile tech to Pak,so we have a definite reason to be alarmed.