Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2010

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Postby Gagan » 28 Dec 2010 01:55

Perhaps this is one reason that KSA has turned to the Pakistan-China nuclear weapons. Because money can actually procure a nuclear weapon. KSA knows that no amount of money will ever procure them a N weapon from India.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Ameet » 28 Dec 2010 02:09

Balochistan's 27 Hindu families seek asylum in India

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 996002.ece

In the latest incident targeting the minority community in Balochistan, unidentified men abducted 82-year-old spiritual leader Maharaja Luckmi Chand Garji and four of his companions on Wednesday.

Three of the men were freed later though Garji is yet to be traced.

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Postby shyamd » 28 Dec 2010 02:17

abrahavt wrote:Add to that the fact that Iran can pretty much shut down the Straits of Hormuz by targetting shipping passing through there resulting in skyrocketing shipping insurance and oil over $200 a barrel which will send the already shaky world economy into a tail spin.

Shutting down Straits of Hormuz is "nothing but empty words".

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Postby shyamd » 28 Dec 2010 02:20

Gagan wrote:Perhaps this is one reason that KSA has turned to the Pakistan-China nuclear weapons. Because money can actually procure a nuclear weapon. KSA knows that no amount of money will ever procure them a N weapon from India.

India offered them the umbrella. Prince Salman visited after proposal, don't know status currently.

Regarding KSA sites: Khamis Mushayt (South KSA near the Yemen border) - they have experimental stuff going on there. Underground bunkers in a mili city north of Riyad (Ghauri II).

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Postby shyamd » 28 Dec 2010 02:25

Gagan wrote:The reason why unkil is not attacking Iran is the following:
1. Iran controls nearly half of the persian gulf which are its territorial waters. They will disrupt shipping and the oil tankers plying there. This accounts for half the world's oil output. India's oil comes from there too.

Oman and Iran have an agreement regarding policing of the Straits. Oman trains the most with Iranian Navy probably, they told Fallon blocking of straits is nothing but empty words.

The Iranians will attack sea ports that the oil tankers dock at in Oman, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, KSA. Even one successful attack will paralyze the whole gulf region. All these are easily within very short range missiles, which Iran has plenty in stock. There is nothing that unkil can do about this threat.

True but thats why 5th Fleet is based in Bahrain, solely for this reason. Add to that covert cells across the GCC, for infrastructure damages. Read my posts on it in the West Asia thread for more details of Iranian intel activity and their plans.

2. Unkil fancies that Ahmedinijad's popularity is on the decline. If the nautanki that went on in the western media and going by the street protests in western cities when the presidential elections were disputed in Iran are any thing to go by, regime change using the democracy option is seen as likely. That will be winning the battle without firing a shot to say the least.

Preventing them going nuclear goes hand in hand with this. Its simple, the US can't afford a war.

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Postby Gagan » 28 Dec 2010 02:40

shyamd wrote:India offered them the umbrella. Prince Salman visited after proposal, don't know status currently.

Saar,
I sure hope what you say is true.
I am surprised India did that! The GoI will probably aver at nuking a country that does a JDAM on India, how will they ever gurantee an umbrella to another country?

shyamd wrote:Regarding KSA sites: Khamis Mushayt (South KSA near the Yemen border) - they have experimental stuff going on there. Underground bunkers in a mili city north of Riyad (Ghauri II).

Saar, I'll post google earth pics in the west asia thread.

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Postby Gagan » 28 Dec 2010 02:44

The Saudis asked for a N Umbrella from India!

All the more reason ...

India needs a N bum series of tests onlee!!!

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Postby CRamS » 28 Dec 2010 02:54

I know this is a TSP thread, and Iran is only relevant to contrast how US treats the threat Iran poses to Israel Vs the threat TSP poses to India.

On last point from me about Iran. Guys, stop kidding yourself. Even a minor hanky panky, forget shutting down straits of Hormuz, from Iran will invite the wrath of US. I would wager to bet that US will invoke morality of the highest order, perhaphs even cite the Bible, as to why nuking & annhilating Iran is a diktat straight from the Lord almighty. Thats the level of support Israel has from US. And thats how US got to be a super power; nip off in the bud, any semblance of a challenge to its might. Right now, except for bluster, Iran has not done anything even remotely provocative. My own view or prediction is that sonner or later Ahmadinejaad will meet his fate, and the more loyal than the king, the TFTA Iranian opposition will assume power and give everyhting US wants. Just witness how the Serbs have fallen in line after being bludgeoned. Same thing will happen with Iran IMO.

Now contrast that with "support" India gets from US regarding TSP's evil machinations against India. Its a tragic joke. Sure US govt spokesman will spin with the straight face that they opposes TSP terror against India, that is if at all someone is bold and honest enough to draw attention to that. And US answer will be, we will facilitate a peace process between India & TSP to resolve the "dispute over Kashmir". And we all know what "resolution" means. Enough said.

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Postby Gagan » 28 Dec 2010 03:07

CRamS saar,
In the end economic integration, economic dependence is the main driver of geostrategy.

Guess who wins that game India or China? I take it that Pakistan is an entity not worthy of discussion.

Ultimately it is going to be India China = =.

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Postby Mahesh_R » 28 Dec 2010 03:48

Raghavendra wrote:Over 25 Pakistani Hindu families seek political asylum in India
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_ov ... ia_1486816


Guru's,

I keep wondering why GOI will never take these isses as human rights violations and show the world happenings in TSP...
we keep hearing these news day in and day out...but never heard on the global platform...

take the case of TSP..it makes a big issues of ever small issue in cashmir...

do we see any reason why GOI is not talking up this issue in UN ?

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Postby A_Gupta » 28 Dec 2010 03:54

Mahesh_R wrote:do we see any reason why GOI is not talking up this issue in UN ?


Taking it to the UN means that the GOI takes the UN really seriously. Which it really does not.

In any case, the Indian stance w.r.t. Pakistan is based on the Panchatantra story, according to which introducing a third party into a conflict, even as a mediator, is very dangerous. You can find the story as that of the monkey and the two cats.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Ameet » 28 Dec 2010 04:28

I guess these really can be considered "good taliban" right?

Taliban kidnap 23 Pakistanis in show of strength

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/27 ... -strength/

Intelligence officials and tribal elders say the Pakistani Taliban have kidnapped 23 tribesmen who recently met the army chief.

Taliban spokesman Azam Tariq says the abductions are a warning to civilians that the militants are still strong in South Waziristan, despite an ongoing military offensive.

The abductees were part of a group that welcomed army chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani to South Waziristan Dec. 7.

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Postby Vinu » 28 Dec 2010 04:34

US missiles kill 18 in Pakistan

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/us-missiles-kill-18-in-pakistan-2170127.html#

Pakistan officially protests the strikes, saying they violate its sovereignty and anger tribesmen whose support it needs to fend off extremists. But Islamabad is widely believed to secretly support the strikes and provide intelligence for at least some of them.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12081937

But recent leaked diplomatic cables on the Wikileaks website suggest that Pakistani officials privately condone such strikes


Might be only bad Talibs are the prey to the national bird..

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Postby Gagan » 28 Dec 2010 04:41

Seriously, I wish people wouldn't post news of US missiles killing people in Paqistan. That happens everyday.

We need to post news like "Noon today, and the national bird has still not blessed anyone in paqistan"

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Postby shyamd » 28 Dec 2010 05:38

CRamS wrote:I know this is a TSP thread, and Iran is only relevant to contrast how US treats the threat Iran poses to Israel Vs the threat TSP poses to India.

On last point from me about Iran. Guys, stop kidding yourself. Even a minor hanky panky, forget shutting down straits of Hormuz, from Iran will invite the wrath of US. I would wager to bet that US will invoke morality of the highest order, perhaphs even cite the Bible, as to why nuking & annhilating Iran is a diktat straight from the Lord almighty. Thats the level of support Israel has from US. And thats how US got to be a super power; nip off in the bud, any semblance of a challenge to its might. Right now, except for bluster, Iran has not done anything even remotely provocative. My own view or prediction is that sonner or later Ahmadinejaad will meet his fate, and the more loyal than the king, the TFTA Iranian opposition will assume power and give everyhting US wants. Just witness how the Serbs have fallen in line after being bludgeoned. Same thing will happen with Iran IMO.

iranians supposedly miss the Shah. The Shahanshahi's will get back to power if the US has its way. Hence why there is a quest for the N Bum, it would cement the ruling leadership of Iran, just like how 98 cemented India as a powerful player.

Now contrast that with "support" India gets from US regarding TSP's evil machinations against India. Its a tragic joke. Sure US govt spokesman will spin with the straight face that they opposes TSP terror against India, that is if at all someone is bold and honest enough to draw attention to that. And US answer will be, we will facilitate a peace process between India & TSP to resolve the "dispute over Kashmir". And we all know what "resolution" means. Enough said.

US interest in TSP is not the same as India's. Yindu's know that. Its only recently since the US is target to those machinations that target India also, US & India have a small alliance on TSP. But India shouldn't be relying on the US on TSP, India should be flexing covert muscles, but sadly India has none (also doesn't look like they are interested in having covert muscle).

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Postby Karna_A » 28 Dec 2010 05:57

Unkil will not attack Iran since if Iran is taken out, no one in ME will buy American weapons.
Iraq and Iran were 2 reasons for KSA, Kuwait, UAE etc. buy US arms. Iraq is already gone.
Since 1991 on an average US export sales are 40-50 billion a year(2010: 30 billion direct and 25 billion FMS)
That's 1 trillion in 20 years.
Unkil needs Iran more than Iran needs Unkil, as ME is the biggest US Military customer.

A Nook Iran is in India's interest as the chances of Iran using on TSP are greater than on Israel.
Jundullah is an eye Es Eye front that is used to kill a few Iranian Revolutionaty Guards whenever pressure on TSP becomes great by Unkil for their other transgressions.
During the 1998 massacre of Iranian diplomats, Iran would have attacked Taliban but Taliban threatened to Nook Iran. No guesses where the nooks would have come from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Irani ... fghanistan
http://articles.cnn.com/1998-09-15/worl ... s=PM:WORLD


Gagan wrote:The reason why unkil is not attacking Iran is the following:
1. Iran controls nearly half of the persian gulf which are its territorial waters. They will disrupt shipping and the oil tankers plying there. This accounts for half the world's oil output. India's oil comes from there too.
The Iranians will attack sea ports that the oil tankers dock at in Oman, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, KSA. Even one successful attack will paralyze the whole gulf region. All these are easily within very short range missiles, which Iran has plenty in stock. There is nothing that unkil can do about this threat.
2. Unkil fancies that Ahmedinijad's popularity is on the decline. If the nautanki that went on in the western media and going by the street protests in western cities when the presidential elections were disputed in Iran are any thing to go by, regime change using the democracy option is seen as likely. That will be winning the battle without firing a shot to say the least.

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Postby SSridhar » 28 Dec 2010 06:31

Pakistan asks India to keep up promise of cotton export
Pakistani textile mills not only require the contracted amount of cotton from India, but a liberal gesture in the form of additional raw cotton as well. . . .

Addressing a press conference here, All-Pakistan Textile Mills Association vice chairman Shahzad Ali Khan pointed out that India exported only one lakh bales out of the contracted quantity of 10 lakh bales. What the industry needed was not just the entire contracted amount, but an additional quantity. India had so far exported about 30 lakh bales of cotton to other countries and was in a position to assist the Pakistani textile industry.

Urging India to “help a neighbour,” Mr. Khan expressed the hope that the remaining quantity of nine lakh bales would be shipped at the earliest.


Why Pakistan has suddenly become a neighbour that should be helped by India when Pakistan continues with its terrorist attacks against that country ? IMO, the fatal mistake made by us is to continue to have trade etc with tha country as though everything is normal.

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Postby Guddu » 28 Dec 2010 06:51

B.Raman incorrectly indicates that
"There are five centres of power in Pakistan today: The Executive, the legislature, the judiciary, the Army and the terrorists inspired and led by Al Qaeda. That is the reality confronting the world."
http://ramanstrategicanalysis.blogspot.com/

Its more accurate to say "There are five centres of power in Pakistan today: The Executive terrorists, the legislature terrorists, the judiciary terrorists, the Army terrorists and the pure terrorists inspired and led by Al Qaeda. That is the reality confronting the world."

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Postby Pranav » 28 Dec 2010 08:24

Gagan wrote:You have to understand the problem from India's POV. India is still a developing country. When facing Pakistan exported terror and its behaviour against India, India is actually facing the expression of its 3.5 masters.


True. But we ought not blame others if our kleptocrats' relentless looting and malign neglect of military affairs leaves the nation poverty-stricken and militarily weak.

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Postby Sri » 28 Dec 2010 12:48

SSridhar wrote:Pakistan asks India to keep up promise of cotton export
Pakistani textile mills not only require the contracted amount of cotton from India, but a liberal gesture in the form of additional raw cotton as well. . . .

Addressing a press conference here, All-Pakistan Textile Mills Association vice chairman Shahzad Ali Khan pointed out that India exported only one lakh bales out of the contracted quantity of 10 lakh bales. What the industry needed was not just the entire contracted amount, but an additional quantity. India had so far exported about 30 lakh bales of cotton to other countries and was in a position to assist the Pakistani textile industry.

Urging India to “help a neighbour,” Mr. Khan expressed the hope that the remaining quantity of nine lakh bales would be shipped at the earliest.


Why Pakistan has suddenly become a neighbour that should be helped by India when Pakistan continues with its terrorist attacks against that country ? IMO, the fatal mistake made by us is to continue to have trade etc with tha country as though everything is normal.


Sridhar Sir,

I like this news 'Item'. Let them wait for cotton na....

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Postby ArmenT » 28 Dec 2010 13:06

X-posting from Indian Economy Thread:

Bombay Stock Exchange launches Sharia Index
Before you think this is a bad idea, this sounds like it is targeted to get Gulf money invested in India. Guess it is better to get them to invest in stocks instead of wahabi madarassas.
The Bombay Stock Exchange (BSE) in the Indian city of Mumbai has launched a new index which consists of companies that meet the Islamic legal code.

The Tasis Shariah 50 was formed using guidelines from an Indian Shariah advisory board.

Studies have found that most Muslims in India are excluded from the country's formal financial sector.

That is because Islamic law does not allow investment in companies that sell goods like alcohol, tobacco or weapons.

Neither does it allow investment in companies that derive significant profit from interest.

The index is intended to be the basis for other Shariah-compliant financial products.
...
BSE Managing Director and Chief Executive Madhu Kannan said that the new index would attract Islamic and other "socially responsible" investors both in India and overseas.

And the best part.....
"The BSE has the largest number of listed Sharia-compliant stocks in the world," said Shariq Nisar, director of research and operations at Tasis.

"All Muslim countries of the Middle East and Pakistan put together do not have as many listed Sharia-complaint stocks as are available on the BSE." :twisted:

Read that and weep Pakis!

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Postby shravan » 28 Dec 2010 13:43

Blast in Karachi University 15 Injured

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Postby Narad » 28 Dec 2010 15:09

^^^
I hope our pious biraders dont target our LMU nextime!!! :(( :(( :((

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Postby shravan » 28 Dec 2010 18:20

16 killed in four U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan

ISLAMABAD, Dec. 28 (Xinhua) -- At least 16 people were killed in four consecutive U.S. drone strikes Tuesday afternoon in Pakistan's northwest tribal area of North Waziristan, reported local media.

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Postby shiv » 28 Dec 2010 19:10

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-12/28/c_13667772.htm

At least 16 students were injured in a blast that went off Tuesday afternoon at the Karachi University in Pakistan's southern port city of Karachi, reported local Urdu TV channel DAWN.

According to the report, the blast took place at a cafeteria in the campus. The bomb was planted under a tree near the cafeteria where there were many students were having lunch.

All the injured have been rushed to nearby hospital and the blast site has been cordoned off by police following the explosion.

Investigation about the blast is underway. No one or group has claimed responsibility for the blast.

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Postby Vivek_A » 28 Dec 2010 19:42

If you thought that the nutty nation would be a little less nutty now that shrill is no longer the editor..

You'd be wrong.

Here we have a perfect example of the nutty nation's nuttiness. It starts with the usual "911 was a zionist staged drama"..and then it gets nutty..

Distorting Taliban and Islam
Published: December 28, 2010
Zaheer Bhatti
My gut feeling that 911 was a Zionist staged drama, like many global analysts, had sprung from the manner in which the supposedly hijacked planes crashed into the Twin Towers in Manhattan, and the other one rammed into the impregnable Pentagon building with consummate ease and complete impunity.
Nine years later, the US has been made to play the sucker as if by remote control by the Zionist lobby, destabilising a whole region without ever going into the abject failure of its security apparatus, if indeed it were an embarrassing security lapse and not the century’s greatest conspiracy. Even to a layman with average common sense, the inability of the Homeland Security to affect an air force scramble after the first strike, and the manner in which the Twin Towers came down vertically, in the same manner as the Oklahoma high-rise demolition, tells the actual story. With this and many other cogent theories pointing to a pre-planned escapade, neither the 9/11 Commission report, nor any explanation to the world by the US till this day, has been considered necessary. Why?
Osama Bin Laden, earlier touted as the hero of the oppressed in the Islamic world and a resistance leader, betrayed his moorings soon, as he failed to pre-empt or frustrate the US/NATO excuses to strike at Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That Cheney and Rumsfeld soon after Bush Jr’s return to office, had declared Osama dead in the Tora Bora assault during the early Afghan campaign is another story, since he is brought back whenever need be with a video or audio released invariably through Al-Jazeera, to warrant the warming of another theatre of American choice. Al-Jazeera, is a TV channel predominantly owned by Indians, and Rupert Murdoch long known to be in the Indian camp with his commercial stakes, explains the reason and viability of these releases through that channel alone.

Ms Clinton herself during a meeting with Pakistani anchorpersons last year, had confirmed private security agencies working for the security of US personnel in Pakistan, while our characterless political divide has been vividly exposed by the infamous, yet lethal WikiLeaks. Blackwater covert activities were authorised during the Musharraf era, as was the formation of TTP by the US, as revealed by Van Madison, an American journalist, in a recent report. The noted journalist is under threat from the FBI and CIA, ever since this revelation.
The writer is a freelance columnist.

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Postby arun » 28 Dec 2010 20:34

X Posted from the Pakistan Role in Global Terrorism thread.

Citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan being tried by brotherly UAE for indulging in a spot of IT, not of the Information Technology type but rather of the Islamic Terrorism type.

AFP via Dawn:

UAE tries two Pakistanis on Qaeda links: report

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Postby surinder » 28 Dec 2010 21:13

Prem wrote:Should the CIA Turn Against Pakistan's Spies?
http://www.tnr.com/blog/foreign-policy/ ... tans-spies
... As much as Langley may now despise the Pakistanis, we are still wedded to them[/b]. And a bad marriage here is much, much better than an acrimonious divorce.


Why are the amirkhans "wedded" to the ISI? Why this constraint?

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Postby Cosmo_R » 28 Dec 2010 21:16

^^Mahesh_R

I keep wondering why GOI will never take these isses as human rights violations and show the world happenings in TSP...
we keep hearing these news day in and day out...but never heard on the global platform...



I suspect that these people will be granted 'tourist visas' rather than asylum. They will come to India and disappear. That seems to be GoIs preferred method. I would guess that it has to do with being 'secular'. Their reasoning is that it would open the floodgates to Ahmediyas and whatnot to also request asylum (remember Keralite Muslims in Karchi who wanted back?).

Rahul would be forced to do another ==.

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Postby arun » 28 Dec 2010 21:53

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan self- claimed to have been created as a safe haven for the Muslims of the Indian sub-continent , Muslims kill Muslims for following different interpretations of Islam not just at a sectarian level but at a sub-sectarian level or maybe even at a sub-sub-sectarian level :roll: .

In Karachi, Sunni Muslims of the Hanafi Deobandi school (SSP) and Sunni Muslims of the Hanafi Barelvi school (ST) kill each other. Not sure though where the J-e-M fits in this Islamic doctrinal hair-splitting scheme of things. Sunni Salafi’s?

Three killed, three injured in sectarian killings in Karachi

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Postby brihaspati » 28 Dec 2010 22:02

Karachi is a lot more than just sectarian hair-splitting. Its the hot bed of southern separatists, Baloch agents, and a key transit point in the drugs trade. Nowadays anyone wanting to cover up their trafficking, smuggling, crime network - can claim to be a pure ideology rebel group. Such a religious cover gives great legitimacy even to openly admit drugs trade as part of fund raising and corrupting the youth of El-shaddai. Most academics and the media and almost all politicians in societies ta the receiving end will immediately extend the cover of justification based on supposed lack of development and deprivation and legitimate perceptions of historical trauma.

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Postby arun » 28 Dec 2010 22:16

^^^ Granted that violence in Karachi also has an ethnic dimension with the Mohajir, Pashtuns and Baloch’s squaring off not to mention sub-ethnic violence with two factions of the Mohajirs squaring off.

:wink: But surely in an Islamic Republic that has named itself as the “Land of the Pure” it would not be possible for those draping themselves in the mantle of Islam albeit with a different arrangement of sequins to indulge in drug smuggling under the cover of Islam?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby A_Gupta » 28 Dec 2010 22:38

As this thread lurches towards its 72, it is appropriate to point to something from Muhammad Iqbal's speech to the Muslim League in 1930, that also belongs in the Trash Can.

I therefore demand the formation of a consolidated Muslim State in the best interests of India and Islam. For India, it means security and peace resulting from an internal balance of power; for Islam, an opportunity to rid itself of the stamp that Arabian Imperialism was forced to give it, to mobilise its law, its education, its culture, and to bring them into closer contact with its own original spirit and with the spirit of modern times.


It belongs in the Trash Can, because in the 80 years since, we have seen this Consolidate Muslim State first deconsolidate (1971) and then embrace rather than remove the stamp of Arabian Imperialism.

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Postby jrjrao » 28 Dec 2010 23:33

This apparently transpired at a recent event at the Council on Foreign Relations:
The tone of the question was startlingly hostile – not what one expects in the hushed, tony recesses of New York’s Council on Foreign Relations, perhaps the preeminent foreign-affairs think-tank in the United States and one whose membership is a virtual "Who’s Who" of the American foreign policy elite. The questioner, a highly respected former government official, was visibly angry. "When," he demanded to know, "are we going to do something about Pakistan? We’re providing them with billions per year in assistance, and yet they refuse to take action against terrorist safe havens on their territory, and their intelligence service provides support to insurgents who are killing American troops. Just how much longer are we going to remain patient?"

The gentleman’s sentiments were hardly new, but they reflect a view which is gaining wider currency in the US, to include both Congress and the Executive branch. They are an indication of the wide gulf in perspective which divides the US from its putative Pakistani ally, and serve as a stark warning for the future. In the words of one of my fellow panelists speaking before the Council, "We are only one successful car bomb away from an abrupt breach in our relations with Pakistan, and a radically different approach [in US policy]." In short, the status quo in US-Pakistan relations is like a ticking time bomb.

But then, this is an article by Robert Grenier, a "former CIA potty chief in Isloo", who like other such chiefs, has drunk that loo's Paki coolade:
So, what should the US do?....

Second, the US must strongly encourage the Afghan government to re-channel Indian assistance and shift the Indian presence in a transparent way designed to allay Pakistani fears. This does not mean that Afghanistan should reject a relationship with India from which it clearly benefits, but it should manage the relationship in a way which does not appear to threaten Pakistan. This is simple prudence, and an Indian government more devoted to enlightened self-interest would be willing to cooperate.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby James B » 29 Dec 2010 00:02

AoA

TSP thread reached its 72. Time to close the thread. IB4TL.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby KrishG » 29 Dec 2010 00:06

AoA! 72 reached! IB4TL! :D

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Atri » 29 Dec 2010 00:10

AoA.. 72 reached..

Jeehard.. Kaboom.....

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Rupesh » 29 Dec 2010 00:17

AoA... AK Phyrrrrrr, :D

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Vinu » 29 Dec 2010 00:27

IB4TL! :)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Chandragupta » 29 Dec 2010 00:38

IB4TL! Lungi Dance!


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