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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

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Sadanand Dhume in wsj weighs in on the taseer halali.
The End of Jinnah's Pakistan

Nothing we didn't know already but Dhume goes onto explore the options and predicaments particular to the rape class in papistan.
Perhaps Governor Taseer's murder will lead the country's squabbling politicians and scheming generals to come together in a renewed bid to save Jinnah's country from Maududi's vision. Perhaps Pakistani society will be outraged enough to act against the thousands of madrassas that poison the country daily. But if the past is any guide to the future, it may not be a good idea to hold your breath. Jinnah, it can safely be assumed, is spinning in his grave.
yawn. only.
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Likely scenarios will be
1) Aasia bibi in jail for foreseeable future till this settles down or some other crisis take over. The RAPES may try to co opt the very pious to go slow. Anyway the message has reached dus percent and uncle not to mess with the people's wishes :evil: .
2) Hanging her will certainly cause some noises from the kuffr land, all sundry human rights orgs will go into some orgasm in particular as she is of abrahamic faith. That is it. nothing more. pious abduls care only about allah, rest take a hike. ekonomic what is that to a pious abdul when allah takes care of him!

Uncle is more worried about the maal than aisa bibi. unce knows that he is despised by TSPians but still he engages them because of the maal and terror threat. TSPians(RAPES) know how to squeeze money from uncle.
dlagon will also be watching keenly as pious abduls are like drunken monkeys.
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Thank you SSji!

A_Gupta garu, we are not a Vasudhaika Kutumbakam, yet. Until then we will have enemies. It is not possible and right thing to offer human rights to the asuric animals until Dharma wins in this war.

If you disagree that India is on the side of Dharma, you always have the choice to switch the side. But please do not show intellectual poverty by looking for humanism in asuric Pakis.
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Hari Seldon wrote:Sadanand Dhume in wsj weighs in on the taseer halali.
The End of Jinnah's Pakistan

Nothing we didn't know already but Dhume goes onto explore the options and predicaments particular to the rape class in papistan.
Perhaps Governor Taseer's murder will lead the country's squabbling politicians and scheming generals to come together in a renewed bid to save Jinnah's country from Maududi's vision. Perhaps Pakistani society will be outraged enough to act against the thousands of madrassas that poison the country daily. But if the past is any guide to the future, it may not be a good idea to hold your breath. Jinnah, it can safely be assumed, is spinning in his grave.
yawn. only.
Past behavior is a perfect indicator of future when it comes to Islam/ism. So yawn only.
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I think we are seeing the Taseer hit thru the window we are given. Its not like that.

His hit was an ordered hit. And who facilitated it despite warning signs?

I think its the TSPA and its various agencies.
The reason is its a warning to the political class not to get too Westernised.

Pardoning the lady is tantamount to repeal the Nazariya-e-Pakistan that the Army brought in 1972 onwards.

Taseer provided an opportunity to deliver the message without need to cross redlines.
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If that is the case, TSPA can still claim to be the Kabila gaurds in Kakhi dress while extracting Jijya from Unkil.

Wahwaa!!!
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SwamyG wrote:
ramana wrote:They are preparing for Baloch spin away by removing possible military infrastructure.
How did you arrive at this conclusion? I like to see the dots and your connections, for gyan sake.

Shutting down a ground troop base(Sui Ctt) in a territory suffering insurgency(Baloch) is de-facto evacuation.
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So this is how mainstream religion responds to extremist violence?
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011 ... m_reli.php
know the excuses already. The cowardly assassin, Mumtaz Qadri, who murdered Governor Taseer in Pakistan was an outlier, a freak, a weirdo, and we atheist ******** better not try to demean religion by associating a rogue individual with it. Can we spit in contempt on an entire culture instead?Taseer was buried in his home town of Lahore. The 66-year-old was assassinated yesterday by Mumtaz Qadri, one of his police bodyguards, after he had campaigned for reform of the law on blasphemy. Qadri appeared in court, unrepentant, where waiting lawyers threw handfuls of rose petals over him and others in the crowd slapped his back and kissed his cheek as he was led in and out amid heavy security.
Yeah, Qadri must be a despised outcast and entirely unrepresentative of what the moderates believe.
To be showered with rose petals for gunning down a defenseless man you were hired to protect…it sounds like Islamic Paradise.
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This is the wrong time to punish Pakistan
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a549737c-1845 ... z1ADoEyYLB
No party wants elections right now, with the country in the midst of hyperinflation and riots in the streets over shortages of fuel, electricity, gas and other essentials. The economy is in virtual freefall after the International Monetary Fund stopped a payment of $3.5bn of its $11.3bn loan to Islamabad – a decision that followed the government’s failure to push through parliament a general sales tax and a tax on agricultural incomes demanded by the IMF as part of a much-needed reforms package.
The budget deficit has soared to 6 per cent in spite of a 4 per cent target for the current financial year. It is expected to increase further to 8 per cent before the year is out. Corruption, chronic mismanagement and a lack of political will have fuelled the crisis. There have been four finance ministers in the space of three years.
The IMF withdrawal is likely to lead other big lenders such as the World Bank, the Asian Development Bank, the US, Japan and the European Union to halt or delay payment of their promised loans and aid. Donors have said they will not bail out Pakistan unless reforms are implemented first. Equally dangerous is that political chaos will encourage efforts by the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban and al-Qaeda to enlarge the territory under their control in Pakistan’s tribal areas. That is already happening. A government trying to survive is not the best morale booster for those at the front line against the extremists. Meanwhile, there has been a spate of foiled terrorist attacks across Europe. Dozens of would-be plotters arrested in Britain, Germany and last week in Sweden and Denmark over a plan to massacre the staff of a Danish newspaper all have large or minor links to groups based in Pakistan.Those links are becoming ever more complex. A suicide bomber who killed himself in Stockholm in December as he was trying to explode a bomb among Christmas shoppers was of Arab origin, but was linked to Pakistan-born British extremists in Luton, England. Senior US officials said recently they had warned Islamabad that any successful terrorist strike in the US that could be traced back to Pakistan would have instant and enormous repercussions. The international community cannot afford to let Pakistan – a nuclear-armed state critical to securing Afghanistan and the region – fail or go down the tubes. Western capitals cannot do much to calm the political factionalism, but continued economic assistance and a loud public declaration of that by key western donors are urgently needed. A resumption of IMF money would send a crucial positive signal. Even more dangerous than a political meltdown would be large-scale, directionless unrest on the streets due to further price rises. International economic support could help stabilise the political crisis; inaction can only benefit the extremists.
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The international community cannot afford to let Pakistan – a nuclear-armed state critical to securing Afghanistan and the region – fail or go down the tubes. Western capitals cannot do much to calm the political factionalism, but continued economic assistance and a loud public declaration of that by key western donors are urgently needed.
^ This is the essence of Paki nonsense!

AGupta ji, tell me what would be your choice?

- Remove nukes from Paki hands, so it can self-destruct
- Provide economic/military aid to Pakistan so it can take rest of the "vasudhaika Kutumbam" to the drain along with it.
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That is exactly how TSP lives to fight another day. Somehow, the time has never come to punish Pakistan. And, anybody who doesn't want Pakistan to be punished (whatever that means) hasn't explained why letting a Pakistan 'fail or go down the tubes' would be anymore dangerous or disastrous than what it already is.
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ramana wrote:Shutting down a ground troop base(Sui Ctt) in a territory suffering insurgency(Baloch) is de-facto evacuation.
And, if per PA, it was the Indians who were helping the Baloch from their hundreds of consular offices in Southern Afghanistan, what does this evacuation mean ?
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Perhaps the western nations who are at peace and amidst prosperity want to maintain the status quo of the lives they lead.
To let pakistan fail, they risk the resultant anarchy reach their shores.

It seems that the need to resurrect pakistan goes beyond their need to have a counter against India. Both the west and pakistan know it. The reason for this is that Pakistan has gone up the ladder and is now a pain in the neck for the west as opposed to being a pain for India alone.
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RamaY wrote:Thank you SSji!

A_Gupta garu, we are not a Vasudhaika Kutumbakam, yet. Until then we will have enemies. It is not possible and right thing to offer human rights to the asuric animals until Dharma wins in this war.

If you disagree that India is on the side of Dharma, you always have the choice to switch the side. But please do not show intellectual poverty by looking for humanism in asuric Pakis.
One has to know what intellectual poverty is in order to recognize it.
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ramana wrote:Shutting down a ground troop base(Sui Ctt) in a territory suffering insurgency(Baloch) is de-facto evacuation.
But why would the PA withdraw from Sui?
The baloch haven't upped the ante militarily.
Maybe the pakistani army relocated to a different area, they might be having trouble finding water in that area.
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:mrgreen:

A_Gupta-ji, I agree!
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SSridhar wrote:But, all of those Pakistanis (very few of them though) who at some point or the other speak up on such issues, are otherwise terrorists when it comes to India. That, we cannot and should not forget.
Certainly not - we cannot forget that they remain enemies. In these few flashes of humanity we see that the enmity was not necessary, and not inevitable, but a result of most of the choices they made, none of which they made under any kind of compulsion.
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A_Gupta wrote:
SSridhar wrote:But, all of those Pakistanis (very few of them though) who at some point or the other speak up on such issues, are otherwise terrorists when it comes to India. That, we cannot and should not forget.
Certainly not - we cannot forget that they remain enemies. In these few flashes of humanity we see that the enmity was not necessary, and not inevitable, but a result of most of the choices they made, none of which they made under any kind of compulsion.
I'd argue that it was inevitable given the doctrine of porkistan. The "necessary" part is then redundant. JMO.

I'd also argue that it is these very "few flashes of humanity" that prevents decent civilized folks from pulling the trigger when it can do most good. And therefore, such flashes, as noble as they may seem, are counterproductive and hurt the "humanitarian" in the long run. As a case in point, it is my opinion that if India has kicked out every single moslem post-partition of India, there most assuredly would have been many more innocent hindu and sikh lives lost. And i'd bet that most on this forum, in hindsight today, would agree that India would have been better off. That "humanitarian" (or should i say Gandhi-an) gesture is going to cause even more atrocious losses to India in the long run. To further buttress my point, i'll recall stats that were posted on this forum some time ago which showed how hindus have been systematically wiped out in porkistan and the abomination to your east. Had these hindus in the '50's been brought back into an eretz india, their progeny would still be alive and prosperous.

Again, IMO. Polite disagreement with your take on this issue. Shalom.
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If they made those choices that they made, under no compulsion of any kind, then it is their choice, isn't it? then why those unnecessary tears at their demise?
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ramana wrote:They are preparing for Baloch spin away by removing possible military infrastructure.
How did you arrive at this conclusion? I like to see the dots and your connections, for gyan sake.


Shutting down a ground troop base(Sui Ctt) in a territory suffering insurgency(Baloch) is de-facto evacuation.
Or it could be that the insurgency has wound down to all-time low and is only being hyped up by TSPA to extract $$?
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Prem wrote:This is the wrong time to punish Pakistan
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a549737c-1845 ... z1ADoEyYLB
I think this assassination had ended US complacency about the reliability of the Pakistani Army - namely, that the Army will not let jihadis get hold of nukes - if Steve Coll is typical.
Pakistan’s Personnel Reliability Programs, as they are known in the nuclear security trade, involve not only evaluating the suitability of bodyguards for governors but also the management of the country’s swelling stockpile of fissile materials and nuclear bombs. Taseer’s betrayal should give pause to those officials in Washington who seem regularly to express complacency, or at least satisfaction, about the security of Pakistan’s arsenal.
The problem, as I see it, is that with the new Republican House of Representatives, the ongoing reshuffle of Obama's personnel, the difficult economic situation, etc., the Obama administration is going to be slow in dusting off its Plan B, for what to do if Pakistan is going irretrievably fundamentalist. And so the US will dither around, continuing its existing policy of pay-outs to Pakistan, instead of having the sharp focus and undivided attention of the top leadership.
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Gagan wrote:No Taseer didn't marry Tavleen.
They just spent one week together.
They would have probably met a few times thereafter.

Taseer was married all the time to his wife in pakistan.
See this link: http://www.sify.com/news/salman-taseer-s-indian-link-news-national-lbetajcbbfc.html
Salman Taseer, governor of Pakistan's Punjab who was assassinated on Tuesday, had an all-too-real India connection: he married and divorced Indian journalist Tavleen Singh and had a British-born son Aatish, who grew up in India and has authored a novel dramatizing a son's search for a father.

Salman Taseer came to India in March 1980 to promote a laudatory biography of Pakistan's leader Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. According to columnist Khushwant Singh, Taseer met Tavleen Singh at the Oberoi hotel where he stayed and fell in love with her. The two married briefly, but fell apart swiftly, leading to much bitterness.
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The guy has just the impeccable CV to his credit to be a successful future Jihadi Leader in Pakistan.

He is a police commando by training, he killed a blasphemer and he proudly says that he did so to protect his deen and religion, he will undergo what most pakistanis will see as an unjust prison sentence, he will come out with a Hafiz prefix to his name.

Only fame and fortune await him in Pakistan.

I can see Hafiz Sayeed, Iliyas Kashmiri, Masood Azhar, etc have a rival in making already.
and a far better one than Mushraff for all his outspokeness who in all probability wouldnt have directly killed any soul

Qadri is going to become president of pakistan in the near future
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Has Kayani or anyone of significance in the armed forces commented on Taseer's assassination? I haven't been able to find anything.
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No he hasnt and thats why I posted that Taseer assassination is a hit ordered by the Army.
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Arjun wrote:
Gagan wrote:No Taseer didn't marry Tavleen.
They just spent one week together.
They would have probably met a few times thereafter.

Taseer was married all the time to his wife in pakistan.
See this link: http://www.sify.com/news/salman-taseer-s-indian-link-news-national-lbetajcbbfc.html
Salman Taseer, governor of Pakistan's Punjab who was assassinated on Tuesday, had an all-too-real India connection: he married and divorced Indian journalist Tavleen Singh and had a British-born son Aatish, who grew up in India and has authored a novel dramatizing a son's search for a father.

Salman Taseer came to India in March 1980 to promote a laudatory biography of Pakistan's leader Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. According to columnist Khushwant Singh, Taseer met Tavleen Singh at the Oberoi hotel where he stayed and fell in love with her. The two married briefly, but fell apart swiftly, leading to much bitterness.
Arjun, It looks like e of those marriages of convenience. Did he divorce his Paki wife before he married T Singh?
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After the series on IFS.........here is the link of pak mutts. :mrgreen:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/menik/sets ... 152538822/
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http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archiv ... ounter_wi/
FYI, Steve Clemons of the New America Foundation, recounts his one encounter with Salman Taseer.
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So far paki army has ordered 2 hits on prominent personalities in TSP and both were Shia.
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ramana wrote:Arjun, It looks like e of those marriages of convenience. Did he divorce his Paki wife before he married T Singh?
No...but is that unusual for a Paki? Anyway here is the most detailed account (from here: http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?240187) I could find on the relationship, clearly Salman was quite a cad !!
That, in short, is the case of Aatish Taseer: his father Salman Taseer is presently governor of Pakistan’s Punjab. His mother Tavleen is Sikh and a well-known journalist who writes regularly for The Indian Express. His parents separated soon after their short-lived liaison, met up briefly in London and then went their own ways. Aatish was brought up by Tavleen’s parents and spent his childhood with his Sikh cousins. The discovery of his being different from them makes amusing reading. One afternoon playing with his cousins he went to a quiet corner of the garden to empty his bladder. A cousin who joined him to do the same stared at Aatish’s penis with awe and wonder. He came back to announce to his assembly of uncles and aunts: "Aatish ka susu nanga hai!" They broke into hysterics. He was the only boy in the family who had been circumcised. He was Muslim.

Stranger to History is a personalised study of Muslim identity in different countries: Britain, Turkey, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India. The only thing they have in common is the passion to restore Islam to what its founder Prophet Mohammed had in mind by destroying its enemies today as they perceive them, notably the US, Israel and Britain. Their methods of achieving this end are determined by their own internal problems. In between analysing responses given to him, Taseer interposes his own problems with his father betraying his mother’s trust. The reader should know something about their family background.

Salman Taseer’s father was a minor literary celebrity in pre-Partition days. He married a Scandinavian (or maybe English). As often happens in cases of mixed marriages, Salman turned out to be a very handsome young man who had no problems seducing good-looking women. He was also a great admirer of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and hitched his wagon to the rising star in Pakistani politics. He wrote a highly laudatory biography of his hero and came to Delhi with his publisher to promote his book in March 1980. They stayed at the Oberoi Hotel where Tavleen met him.

Tavleen is the granddaughter of Sardar Bahadur Bajamber Basakha Singh, one of the principal builders of New Delhi, including the North Block of the Secretariat. He lived next door to us on Jantar Mantar Road and was my father’s closest friend. We saw him almost everyday. He also stayed with me in London. When Tavleen met Salman, she was in the prime of her youth and extremely attractive. A fair game for our Lothario from Pakistan. Though married with children, he had no compunction in seducing Tavleen. They hit it off and spent the whole week together. Tavleen became pregnant. She wrote to him in Lahore and toyed with the idea of aborting her pregnancy. He dissuaded her from doing so. He rented a flat for her in London. He joined her for a while. But his ardour had abated. He had more affairs, including one with an Indian film star whose name is not revealed by Aatish. Tavleen sensed the romance was over and returned to Delhi much embittered by her experience. Some of it washed on her son. Salman was unfazed and remarked that he had left his foreskin in India but brought the body back to Pakistan.

As might be expected, Aatish had a disturbed childhood. At school in Kodaikanal he spelt out his view of his father to his counsellor. She asked: "How do you feel about your father today?" He replied: "Nothing. I mean the man is obviously a shit. He abandoned my mother with a baby to bring up on her own. Everyone has shitty people in their lives."

Meanwhile, Salman Taseer had his ups and downs. Under Bhutto he prospered. He turned to business and made a tidy killing. He acquired a large house, yet another wife, drank Scotch, ate ham, bacon, pork and lived it up. When Bhutto fell and was hanged, General Zia-ul-Haq put him in jail. The only book he was allowed to read was the Quran. He admitted he read it front to back and back to front but found nothing in it for him. When General Musharraf was forced to resign and Zardari took over, his fortunes were again in the ascendant. He is now governor of Pakistan’s Punjab. His son Aatish met him before that. He was welcomed by his stepmother and step siblings but his father remained aloof and cold. He never wanted to see him again.
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U.S., Pakistan stumble in private talks over drones (Montreal Gazette)
The offer was made by U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates during a trip to Islamabad in January 2010 but talks have failed to gain traction, with Pakistan privately voicing concern about what it says are exorbitant prices and a snail-pace delivery timeline.
The Pakistani official said the United States quoted a price well above market value for the surveillance drones and is stipulating that it may take up to three years for delivery.
Gates offered Pakistan 12 Shadow drones, manufactured by AAI Corporation, a unit of Textron Systems. They are not the weaponized versions being used by the CIA to track and kill al-Qaida and Taliban insurgents in Pakistan but are used strictly for surveillance and intelligence gathering.
"We require primarily attack capability, not just surveillance. They should enhance our capability. Why are they providing us a capability which we already have?" a senior Pakistani security official told Reuters.
Lieutenant Colonel Elizabeth Robbins, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said there was "no set timeline from the start of discussions to a final decision."
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ramana wrote:quote="Arjun"No Taseer didn't marry Tavleen.
Salman Taseer came to India in March 1980 to promote a laudatory biography of Pakistan's leader Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. According to columnist Khushwant Singh, Taseer met Tavleen Singh at the Oberoi hotel where he stayed and fell in love with her. The two married briefly, but fell apart swiftly, leading to much bitterness. Arjun, It looks like e of those marriages of convenience. Did he divorce his Paki wife before he married T Singh?

Why should he, he is allowed 4 at time anyways, RAPE are not so liberal to give up on such values.
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http://ahmadiyyatimes.blogspot.com/2011 ... aseer.html
Two years ago extremists attacked the police training centre outside Lahore that is home to the Punjab Elite force, the province's best-trained police commandos. This week a member of that same force – Qadri – was responsible for killing Taseer.
I think this was the news-item about the attack:
http://www.zeenews.com/news570999.html
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Guys, is there any substance to this circus or is it MMS and Co's attempt to show how secular and righteous they are? I though UN or was it interpol who identified a Paki for this particular attack?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

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Sadler wrote:Had these hindus in the '50's been brought back into an eretz india, their progeny would still be alive and prosperous.
Sadler, what happened was that the migration of Hindus/Sikhs out of West Punjab happened in 1947 (Punjab there was a total exchange of populations). In East Bengal , that was a slow ongoing process and the 1970/71 events sent a huge surge across and the remnants in Bangladesh still continue to make their way across.

In Sind, it didn't happen right during 1947, but shortly after when the Mohajirs from India moved to Sind and the troubles for the Sindhi Hindus started and roughly 1 year later and after that the Hindu population moved to India.

Another thing to consider is that many of the Dalits in West Punjab converted to Christianity (the Aisia Bibis and the other Christians being harassed , murdered, raped etc and in Pakistan are all Dalits). That is the choice Dalits made to stay in Pakistan , because being Hindu there wasn't tenable. A poor choice I'd say , maybe they should have become Muslims. They are now being persecuted for being Christian. See despite all the protestations of equality and egalitarianism, nearly all Islamic societies, especially Pakistan is highly unequal and very tribal and your station of birth largely determines your life. Not much social mobility etc.

It is ironic that in India where despite the stereotypes, the caste strictures have loosened tremendously and "lower caste" /"dalit"/"disadvantaged background" because of democracy is a viable means of social empowerment and mobility, in Pakistan, the "caste" system morphed and merged perfectly into an Arabized tribalism into a pitiless social structure that is deeply oppressive and fundamentally cruel.

Think of this Aisia Bibi case. She fetched water from a well, some of her fellow laborers insulted her/humiliated her calling her "unclean" (was she "unclean" because she is Dalit or Chrisitian or both and the Muslims feel "cleaner") and the rest is history.. resulting in the death of Salmaan Taseer.

It is amazing how this works in Islamic societies. In Iran, the Zorastrians and Jews are "unclean" and socially segregated , barred for schools and public pools,societies etc, consigned to the margins doing absolutely menial and degrading jobs (like the Christian Dalits in Pakistan, largely consigned to manual scavenging of human waste).. for eg most of the waste cleaners /gargbage collectors/recyclers are Copts in Egyt. There was an entire NYT article on that when the Swine Flu hit egpyt and the effects on the copts when they ordered all their pigs to be killed.

Bad enough as it is, there is no social mobility possible for those minority groups because in Islamic states , that is forbidden for non muslims by religious law!.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

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Check out this picture in NY Times
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/201 ... log480.jpg

Look carefully the policeman on the right (next to the raised hand),he has the police beret on and is wearing the badge in the cap. Look at his expression and his countenance when he listens to the rantings of Malik Qadri after his appearance at court when he shouted out his justifications.

The face truly is the index of the mind.

Well, there it is folks. GLllllllllluuuuuuuuuuurrgggggggg.. That is the sound of the Pakistan in the process of getting flushed down the toilet like a piece of turd.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

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Water supply to agricultural lands in lower Punjab has been suspended for 15 days due to the scarcity of water in canals. Water level has decreased to 34,000 cusecs at Taunsa, the major water source for land irrigation in southern Punjab.

Meanwhile, unscheduled power outages have increased to around eight hours in urban areas and 10 to 12 hours or even more in some of the rural areas making it difficult to irrigate land through tube wells.

The Express Tribune, January 6th, 2011.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

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CRamS wrote:Guys, is there any substance to this circus or is it MMS and Co's attempt to show how secular and righteous they are? I though UN or was it interpol who identified a Paki for this particular attack?
Yes it was UN.

( I think the congress has totally lost it after CWG/2-G hammering it has been receiving from the opposition mainly BJP )
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

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What is the support level amongst this rabble supporting Qadri to unilaterally Nuking India?

Ironic that Taseer and his ilk built the bomb the rabble want to use.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

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A_Gupta wrote:PS: the source of Indian problems also becomes clear to me. The mullahs have their indian counterparts in Hindu and nationalist garb.

:roll:
Pleej to report to Mullah Dilbullah to get your vija stamped and bottles of scotch searched for contraband.
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