Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2010

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 15 Jan 2011 00:45

ManuT:

Exactly. This proposal to talk to the terrorist lynch-pin TSPA shows many-a desparation to buy peace with TSP at any cost. If the current spectacle is not humiliating enough, any attempt to give more legitimacy to TSPA will only result in them making more obnoxious demands to India.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Jan 2011 02:08

Poakudupilate Post Polishing!! .

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Jan 2011 02:08

="James B"]Diary of a Social Butterfly from TFT
. Mummy’s mummy’s mummy’s mummy was born here. And so was I and I’m staying. I’ll be proud to stand alongside Papa Salman Taseer Shaheed.”

A true Poak knows , onlee mummy, mummy 's mummy were born there, Father's father's father's all came from Arapia or many carvamen dropped by to extend their lineage !! No doubt every fatherly visitor want his and this "Pakistan Khappe".
Najaray e Poakland, One Night Stand.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Jan 2011 03:45

Kiya Bolta Tu?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Jan 2011 05:38

anupmisra wrote:Kiya Bolta Tu?

Flippin heck. That is a fantastic piece of animation.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jan 2011 06:28

James B wrote:Diary of a Social Butterfly from TFT

So, the RAPEs are feeling the heat.

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 15 Jan 2011 06:36

In the Wash. Post, David Ignatius writes from Nayee Dilli. It is an brief but interesting read, save for the usual bit of equal-equal condescension. The good thing is that the billis and babus in Dilli have concluded, as Ignatius reports, that PakiSatan is beyond repair, and is hopeless to talk to, and so it is pointless to hector India to do anything about it.

India and Pakistan on the brink
By David Ignatius
Friday, January 14, 2011
Link

Everything is going right these days for India, except for one big problem: It is living next to a Pakistan that is coming apart politically, and Indian leaders insist with a tone of resignation that there's nothing they can do about it.

Starting with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, top Indian officials know that their booming democracy is endangered by the growing chaos across the border. They say that they're willing to revive back-channel negotiations with Islamabad to resolve the long-festering problem of Kashmir. They favor confidence-building measures to reduce the risk of war between these two nuclear-armed nations.

And then, in the next breath, Indian officials insist that such positive steps won't make any difference. The Pakistani military doesn't want any reduction in tensions, they argue. The civilian government is crumbling and incapable of making a deal. Even Singh, long an advocate of better relations with Pakistan, is said to have concluded that hopes for better relations are "wishful thinking."

<begin equal-equal>
Welcome to the world's most dangerous zero-sum game. The sad fact is that India and Pakistan, separated at birth in 1947, are locked in what seems like a blood feud. You hear the same language of suspicion in prosperous New Delhi that you do in embattled Islamabad.

This is a problem that might seem ripe for U.S. mediation. Washington has close ties with both countries, after all, and it could act as an honest broker on issues such as Kashmir, which is ruled by India but claimed by both countries. But Indians say that American intervention could just make matters worse - poisoning public opinion against any deal that emerged.

The Indians watch Pakistan's political instability with grim resignation. The root problem, they argue, is that the Pakistani military is unwilling to sever its links with Islamic terrorists. Until the Pakistanis break this insurgency, they will be at its mercy. Dialogue with India won't make any difference, they insist.

"The last thing we want to see is Pakistan slide into instability," says one top Indian official, but he cautions that there is little that India or America can do. "It's Pakistan's internal problem. And that, we can't fix."

As India celebrates its own economic success, there is a slight tone of South Asian schadenfreude about Pakistan's troubles. "There is one school of thought that says, 'If they [the Pakistanis] are committing suicide, then you don't have to murder them,'" the top official concedes. "But the consequences of that are horrible."

I came away from these discussions feeling that Indian leaders are being shortsighted: If Pakistan descends further into violence and chaos, India will suffer from the fallout. And with these two bitter rivals, there is always the risk of nuclear war. If I were a newly prosperous Indian, I'd want to help my ailing neighbor as a matter of self-protection.

But try making that argument to Indian officials. "You have to recognize that some problems can't be solved," counsels one prominent Indian. Officials here don't want American mediation, and they think outreach to Pakistan won't do any good. Meanwhile, the South Asian tinderbox keeps on getting hotter.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Jan 2011 06:53

I found an interesting YouTube channel by a girl called Yayasmin. This girl seems to have a Packee father and Swedish mother - she has 120 videos - many about Poakland - including a series of 15 or 20 videos on a visit to Poakistan for a RAPE wedding.

It seems to me that wealthy Pakis have sown their oats far and wide in Yoorope, Yamreeka etc and they have played/are playing a huge role in keeping alive the "romance" of Pakland.

In anycase the following video gives the glimpse of the real Paki SDREs. They are actually eating rice to boot. The RAPE Pakistan has given the impression that he comes from a wealthy civilized land where everyone is tall , fair, well fed and everything is well developed. This is true for about 0.05% of 180 million Pakis. You can see some of those 180 million in this video.

The point of posting the video here is that India too has such people - but they get to vote. They elect a person who may bribe them with sari, hooch or a TV set. But when that moron gets elected - he purports to represent their interest by setting aside 1 crore for them. He embezzles 90 lakhs and they get 10 lakhs.

In Pakistan - these SDREs have no voice at all. Period. What you hear is only a RAPE voice. Pakistan has to have a huge makeover even to get to the level of India even if you say that India is far from perfect. And the people who have a grip on power in Pakistan will not allow that to happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BX5KkU8h0I

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Jan 2011 07:06

Afghan journalist Bashir Ahmad Gwakh on the extremism that permeates the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Being lectured by an Afghan on the matter of religious extremism should dent the much ballyhooed honour and dignity of Pakistan nicely

:

The Deep Roots Of Pakistan’s Extremism

January 08, 2011

By Bashir Ahmad Gwakh

Punjab Governor Salman Taseer’s murder by his security guard was an obvious act of religious extremism and a clear sign that Pakistan has changed little in the more than 80 years since a carpenter killed a Hindu for allegedly publishing a book that insulted the Prophet Muhammad.

A country that was founded on the basis of religion remains in a dark morass presided over by insidious, violent ideologies. ……………………..

RFE / RFL

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 15 Jan 2011 07:32

10 yrs ago, Pak could get away with brash claims of being == Yindia and having a greater rupee value and better development indices and other BS like that.

That is now no longer tenable. So much so that even RAPE stopped believing in such BS by the middle of the 2000s decade.

Noe the pretence is that there's some silent majority in Pak which is liberal/humanatarian/democratic and all that.

IMHO, it won't take 10 yrs like last time for this myth to be so obscenely exposed that even RAPE couldn't peddle it with a straight face any longer.

Then there's this myth that pak is a frontline ally in GWOT committed to rooting oput west facing terror.
Sorry, won;t happen. West facing terror is an insurance policyt in PA's hands. Just like strategic depth was supposedly one too. These won't/can't be given up even if the PA wants to.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Jan 2011 08:02

shiv wrote:The point of posting the video here is that India too has such people - but they get to vote. They elect a person who may bribe them with sari, hooch or a TV set. But when that moron gets elected - he purports to represent their interest by setting aside 1 crore for them. He embezzles 90 lakhs and they get 10 lakhs.

Just for completion Shiv saar, and Pak lurkers,
The MLA fund in India is Rs 3 Crore per MLA per Year.
To be spent as per the discretion of the MLA on projects in his constituency. There is an army of CAs who monitor that fund it seems, and the only way that MLA can get that money released from the DC is to give out contracts for some development project.

So for the said MLA to take his cut some development project has to be sanctioned, and the work completed for the ghoos to end in the MLA's pocket.

Pakistan can NEVER catch up with India - period.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Jan 2011 08:29

There was also a doctor-ni girl of pakistani origin in the US who had a you tube channel dedicated to taking down the propaganda by Hazrat Jahil Hamid (PBUH). She was also inviting fellow Indian doctors for a interviews to discuss the 'problem of Kashmir' as the pakees call it.

I've been to massa-land and interacted with pakistanis there. Generally speaking there is extreme sadness and a sense of desperation at the way Pakistan is heading. I had mentioned the interaction I had with a gentleman from Peshawar, and I have also come across a lady from that same city, and who had recently returned from a trip from home.

AOA, peshawar doesn't have good roads, the lady lives on the outskirts, and there is only a badly potholed road to her colony. They are lucky to have a toilet system in their colony, but the maid servants in their houses have to go to the fields (and in the dark before sunrise - or someone will issue a canadian visa or failing which declare them wajib-ul-qatl)
Her abbu-jaan goes to Peshawar daily to oversee his business, and her mom does a prayer each time he steps out for his safety. She says that there was a bomb going off every week in peshawar during the time she was there.

I asked her what's going on in her country. The straight forward answer was that these terrorists are from the TTP and they are against Pakistan because of the war in afghanistan. No CIA / RAW / Mossad was mentioned for a welcome change.

The gentleman whom I'd met last year was also from peshawar, but that was the time when 'CIA/RAW/Mossad' were supposedly involved. And my interaction was immediately after the huge bomb attack in a bazaar which had killed 100+ there. The guy was literally in tears, when an Indian asked him what was going on in his country. He said, fighting off tears, that only god can save his country - out of courtesy to me I think he didn't say "CIA/RAW/Mossad", but that was the going theory those days.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Jan 2011 08:46

Gagan wrote:
shiv wrote:The point of posting the video here is that India too has such people - but they get to vote. They elect a person who may bribe them with sari, hooch or a TV set. But when that moron gets elected - he purports to represent their interest by setting aside 1 crore for them. He embezzles 90 lakhs and they get 10 lakhs.
Just for completion Shiv saar, and Pak lurkers,
The MLA fund in India is Rs 3 Crore per MLA per Year.
To be spent as per the discretion of the MLA on projects in his constituency. There is an army of CAs who monitor that fund it seems, and the only way that MLA can get that money released from the DC is to give out contracts for some development project.

So for the said MLA to take his cut some development project has to be sanctioned, and the work completed for the ghoos to end in the MLA's pocket.

Pakistan can NEVER catch up with India - period.

Gagan - the most important point is that unless that MLA actually makes some difference - he gets voted out. This is why India is made of SDREs and SDRE power. Pakistan is run by a minority TFTAs who have pretended that the SDREs do not exist or do not matter. And those Paki SDREs are rallying around the only political constituency that TFTAs cannot oppose - that is Islam.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jan 2011 09:06

jrjrao wrote:In the Wash. Post, David Ignatius writes from Nayee Dilli. It is an brief but interesting read, save for the usual bit of equal-equal condescension.
India and Pakistan on the brink
By David Ignatius
This is a problem that might seem ripe for U.S. mediation. Washington has close ties with both countries, after all, and it could act as an honest broker on issues such as Kashmir, which is ruled by India but claimed by both countries.

As India celebrates its own economic success, there is a slight tone of South Asian schadenfreude about Pakistan's troubles.

I came away from these discussions feeling that Indian leaders are being shortsighted:

Meanwhile, the South Asian tinderbox keeps on getting hotter.

That is an outrageous write-up, to say the least. This guy, like most Americans with little knowledge of history & geography, claims that India rules Kashmir which is claimed by both countries. What a shame that a person who does not even know the reality writes about India-Pakistan relationship in a prestigious newspaper.

Again, what is this adjective 'South Asian' to schadenfreude ? What is so South Asian about this ? Hasn't the US derived not only vicarious pleasure but also helped to accentuate the situation whenever the Soviet Union was in trouble ?

What has the American longsightedness done to Pakistan in the last six decades ? Was it not this famous American 'strategic thinking' and its previous avtar of the 'British strategic thinking' that have managed to create this monster that they are unable to contain any longer ?

The tinderbox is heated more and more by irresponsible American behaviour which thinks that throwing more money and arms to the Terrorist State would somehow turn it around. The Americans are hoping for miracles while the Indians (or whomsoever that David talked to in New Delhi) are rather realistic after having tried desperately for decades to make Pakistan a responsible state, an effort that all the Americn administrations have managed to only thwart and defeat. Today, these very same Americans cannot assume a moral high ground.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jan 2011 09:14

Hari Seldon wrote:10 yrs ago, Pak could get away with brash claims of being == Yindia and having a greater rupee value and better development indices and other BS like that.

Such claims were always fraudulent.

wig · Post by **wig** » 15 Jan 2011 10:19

an interesting tidbit from an article by M L Kotru in the Daily Excelsior published from Jammu regarding the late prof Mohammed Din (pen name Taseer) father of the slain Punjab Governor

May be his father's (prof Mohammed Din) time as the Principal of Srinagar's, Sri Pratap College had something to do with it. Incidentally Dr. Taseer, the father, escorted Ghulam Mohammed Bakshi and Ghulam Mohammad Sadiq to Lahore to help them get across to the Muslim League leadership. The mission did not work and Principal Taseer stayed back in Lahore sending Bakshi and Sadiq back to India.

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jan 2011 10:26

Liberal Pakistan Shaken to the Core - Anita Joshua in The Hindu

They also took their campaign to the streets — holding peace marches and candlelight vigils — but seldom could they mobilise a crowd bigger than what one liberal voice dismissed in frustration as “walima party” (a post-wedding feast).

Slowly but surely a parallel line of thinking has opened, advocating a tactical retreat as a frontal attack on the blasphemy laws could be counter-productive because it helps the right-wingers consolidate.

Elaborating on the dynamics among the various sects, particularly the existential threat posed to Barelvis and Shias following the petro-dollar inspired rise of the Wahhabi and Deobandi schools, he said the Barelvis had since been trying to assert themselves. "Qadri is just one expression of that Barelvi assertion and not vice versa. While the Barelvis still will not be able to match the Deobandi and Wahhabi capacity for terrorism, this assassination clearly shows the direction in which they are heading.”

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 15 Jan 2011 10:42

The mounting public health crisis in Pakistan

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... n_pakistan

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 15 Jan 2011 11:13

SSridhar wrote:
This is a problem that might seem ripe for U.S. mediation. Washington has close ties with both countries, after all, and it could act as an honest broker on issues such as Kashmir, which is ruled by India but claimed by both countries.
That is an outrageous write-up, to say the least. This guy, like most Americans with little knowledge of history & geography, claims that India rules Kashmir which is claimed by both countries. What a shame that a person who does not even know the reality writes about India-Pakistan relationship in a prestigious newspaper.

This is outrageous.
I thought about this and there are false statements in this.
They wanted India to hand hold the mess and take the cr*p for all their geo political goal

partha · Post by **partha** » 15 Jan 2011 11:32

SSridhar wrote:Liberal Pakistan Shaken to the Core - Anita Joshua in The Hindu
They also took their campaign to the streets — holding peace marches and candlelight vigils — but seldom could they mobilise a crowd bigger than what one liberal voice dismissed in frustration as “walima party” (a post-wedding feast).

Slowly but surely a parallel line of thinking has opened, advocating a tactical retreat as a frontal attack on the blasphemy laws could be counter-productive because it helps the right-wingers consolidate.

Elaborating on the dynamics among the various sects, particularly the existential threat posed to Barelvis and Shias following the petro-dollar inspired rise of the Wahhabi and Deobandi schools, he said the Barelvis had since been trying to assert themselves. "Qadri is just one expression of that Barelvi assertion and not vice versa. While the Barelvis still will not be able to match the Deobandi and Wahhabi capacity for terrorism, this assassination clearly shows the direction in which they are heading.”

Till now all the so called liberal arguments against fanatics have been within the boundary of Islam. I don't see how they can win this way.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 15 Jan 2011 11:34

jrjrao wrote:India and Pakistan on the brink
By David Ignatius

The response I sent to him:

Dear Mr. Ignatius,

Juts a few comments to your op-ed in the WP titled "India and Pakistan on the brink".

I don't want to waste your time explaining the India Pakistan conundrum to you in detail, but in this season of so called "war on terror", I would offer a reasonable solution that would require USA, "a friend of both sides" as you put, to play a key role.

With all the billions of $s, both military & economic, being pumped by USA into the coffers of the Pakistani ruling elite, including the army, how about linking that aid to Pakistan taking on and eliminating all kinds of terrorists, including terrorism perpetrated against India by the Pakistan Punjab-based ruthless Isalmic terrroist organization Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET), and not just the western-specific Al Queda?

Do you not recall the colossal Mumbai terrorist attack perpetrated by LET on November 26, 2008? Pakistan not only refuses to prosecute LET members responsible for this attack despite mountains of evidence produced by both India & USA, but its chief Hafeez Saeed walks free, raises money openly, has massive public support, and delivers fiery anti-India sermons calling for jihad against India right under the nose of the Pakistani military. (As an aside, may I ask you sir, can Pakistan so brazenly allow Osama Bin Ladin or any other Al Queda leader to deliver such fiery public sermons on the streets of Peshawar and other tribal areas in Pakistan without inviting instant retribution from USA?)

With Pakistan so brazenly using terror as an instrument of state policy against India, your calls for India to talk peace with India reeks of the familiar western condescension: Isalmic terror against USA, west, and Israel is unadulterated evil, but similar terrorism perpetrated against India by Pakistan requires India to "help" Pakistan out. And to rub salt to India's wound, Pakistan, the epi-center of global terrorism, most of it directed against India is hailed as a "front-line ally" and handsomely rewarded by USA as long as it takes on Al Queda in the so called “global war on terror” even as it nurtures and uses the loathsome LET against India.

So the solution sir, is closer to home than you think.

partha · Post by **partha** » 15 Jan 2011 11:37

OT Q - I have seen many people here respond to op-ed writers like CRamSji has done. How many have got a response? Just curious.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 15 Jan 2011 11:39

http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/15/death-to ... lence.html

26 culled..four arrested...demand for rose petals is going to shoot up in Karachi...

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 15 Jan 2011 11:40

partha wrote:OT Q - I have seen many people here respond to op-ed writers like CRamSji has done. How many have got a response? Just curious.

I once sent a sarcastic one to I-ass. Got a fairly mild response..

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 15 Jan 2011 11:51

partha wrote:OT Q - I have seen many people here respond to op-ed writers like CRamSji has done. How many have got a response? Just curious.

Very rarely, and even if you do, get a canned, useless, satid response. And you further challenge them, they won't respond, or will warn you not to send anynore e-mails. A few years ago, that Uncle Tom twit, Sumit Ganguly showed his fawning loyalty to a gora "South Asia expert" by asking him to notify homeland security when I challended the expert's equal equal tripe

.

But then aftare a long hiatus, I decided to send a note this Ignatius moron. Not that anything useful will come out of it, but hopefully, he reads it, and learns something.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 15 Jan 2011 11:53

^^^
My fourth cousin regularly takes his camel to piss on HuffPo articles doing an equal-equal. Sometimes gets hilarious responses from the authors.

Meanwhile: http://tribune.com.pk/story/103891/blas ... n-the-run/

Two Christian women were beaten and publically humiliated by an angry mob

Sameer added that he was very proud of his wife’s performance during the mob beating. “She beat Zahira more than anyone else. Her hand is so swollen that she hasn’t been able to make rotis since the day of the incident.

Sudip · Post by **Sudip** » 15 Jan 2011 12:09

Did anyone check out this video that came out in russia today?

Check at 8:10 He says Af-Pak is because of Kashmir

Who is this Robert Fisk?? Why is russian state sponsored TV promoting this pro paikhana video? that mofo fisk brings kashmir without provocation again at around 19:20

I do observe that the host was trying to shut them up everytime they raised kashmir

partha · Post by **partha** » 15 Jan 2011 12:16

Ignore that guy. Not worth your time. He is of the Diggy Raja variety.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 15 Jan 2011 12:33

Sudip wrote:Did anyone check out this video that came out in russia today?

Check at 8:10 He says Af-Pak is because of Kashmir

Who is this Robert Fisk?? Why is russian state sponsored TV promoting this pro paikhana video? that mofo fisk brings kashmir without provocation again at around 19:20

I do observe that the host was trying to shut them up everytime they raised kashmir

This guy is total fake. How is Kashmir similar to Afg.
What about Injustice to Hindus in Kashmir and Pakistan.
Where are the Hindus in Kashmir and Pakistan.

When the afg war was going on in 1980s where was kashmir there. This is a manufactured story and they have been shifting the story for few years now.

The guy shows from his gesture that he is lying and he is making up the story about kashmir. History of afghanistan was created by the British empire and they have messed up.

The comments show the tension between British position and the US - Heritage foundation. Very interesting

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jan 2011 12:36

partha wrote:Ignore that guy. Not worth your time. He is of the Diggy Raja variety.

Partha, that is one approach, to ignore. The other of course is to keep rebutting the lies wherever we deem we can make a difference, however little effect it may have immediately or visibly. Of course, we don't talk to the likes of Zaid Hamid et al.

I appreciate CRamS for his consistency in hitting back.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 15 Jan 2011 12:39

SSridhar wrote:
Partha, that is one approach, to ignore. The other of course is to keep rebutting the lies wherever we deem we can make a difference, however little effect it may have immediately or visibly. Of course, we don't talk to the likes of Zaid Hamid et al.

I appreciate CRamS for his consistency in hitting back.

We need 50 letter and blogs to rebutt such false articles.
Every anti India article needs at least 50 blog articles. That is the ratio we need to maintain if we need to make that Indians themselves dont fall into psy ops

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 15 Jan 2011 12:46

I agree with Fisk and wholeheartedly support the struggle for Justice for Pakistanis!!

Down with Britain which oppresses them by imposing non-Sharia law!!

Justice for Pakistanis!!!!

My heart bleeds everytime a Pakistani is arrested for protecting his honor (by killing his daughter/wife) in Britain under archaic Christian law!

Justice for Pakistanis!!!!

Also demand 1000,000,000,000,000 Euros which were stolen from Pakistan when Britain brutally invaded and occupied magnificent Pakistan empire in South Asia.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Jan 2011 12:52

I like Anujan's approach the best. This seems to be the most sensible approach.

Everyone including their grandmothers know that these guys are lying through their teeth. This == is artificially constructed and maintained. Ridiculing it is the best way IMHO, also keeps our BP low.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 15 Jan 2011 12:56

Sudip wrote: Who is this Robert Fisk?? Why is russian state sponsored TV promoting this pro paikhana video? that mofo fisk brings kashmir without provocation again at around 19:20

I do observe that the host was trying to shut them up everytime they raised kashmir

The Fisk dude is a well-known UK liberal. Some of his thoughts on Palestinian, US policies in mid-east do make sense, but he does go to the extreme. You never find him taking on TSP for their support of terrorists. On Kashmir, his views are not surprising. Not even worth the enthalpy content of the hot air emanating from his rear end.

But I like the Paki's hubris. Basically, he is reflecting the official TSP view that TSP has Guboed enough without being rewarded. And what is that reward? Not all the goodies doled out so far. Its India on a silver platter.

At the expense of doing an equal equal, its amazing how both India & TSP support the so called GWOT to further their interests. India came to the logical conclusion, based on USA's state goals and rhetroic that the so called GWOT wil bring TSP to justice or at least make it a normal country. And it turned out to be naive thinking from day one. But TSP, I think read it better, they looked on their participation in the so called GWOT as a business proposition, we'll deliver Al Queda, you deliver India. So where we are now is a delicate dance by USA in attempting to deliver India to TSP without appearing to do so. Recall the late Holbrooke's maacho arrogance: I'll deal with India without pretending to do so.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Jan 2011 14:07

It is a boring day today.
Here is an interview from Dec 2010 - Jirga Salim Safi interviews Mushy in Dubai.
Long story short the interview is the usual bakwaas - internal politics of mushy etc, but the last part is interesting where mushy disses Hamid Gul, Kargil co-conspirators and Army-wallahs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0z_7cruBuc

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 15 Jan 2011 14:30

CRamS wrote: The Fisk dude is a well-known UK liberal. Some of his thoughts on Palestinian, US policies in mid-east do make sense, but he does go to the extreme. You never find him taking on TSP for their support of terrorists. On Kashmir, his views are not surprising. Not even worth the enthalpy content of the hot air emanating from his rear end.

That video involving Robert Fisk - did anyone notice the difference between the Heritage FOundation lady and the other morons. Fisk was slow, labours on a point to the point of boredom and was making gestures/faces - no surprise there because he does not having anything to back hic claims. Came across as very shallow.

If I were to ask one question to the Robert Fisk , it would be: "Is Kashmir the source of violent tendencies in Pakistan (Yes/No) and why?".

RAPE - he points to Drone attacks, mentions corrupt politicians and blames India meddling in Afghanistan. Surprised he didnt ask for aid.

That lady from Heritage Foundation - very eloquent and all that she said was pregnant with facts.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 15 Jan 2011 14:34

Well Gagan, here is something that will help you kill your boredom.
I read the Pew report from 2010 on Pakistan. Some graphs for you.

Oxymoron? Or should I say PakiMoron?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 15 Jan 2011 15:33

'Salman Taseer left without saying sorry to me'

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 291229.cms

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 15 Jan 2011 15:44

Death toll in Karachi killings mounts to 31

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Jan 2011 17:04

Karachi:
There have been killings going on there for the last several months. Different groups are killing off party workers, and revenge is being extracted after each murder.

Now if this isn't civil war then what is hain ji?

Just like the rest of Pakistan, where the recommended solution is more islam, the next step for Karachi should be better weapons for one and all. I would say that instead of firearms, things such as explosives, and RPGs should be made available to the warring parties, so that they may defeat their enemies.

Eternal peace shall ultimately prevail.