Indian Military Aviation

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 05 Feb 2011 15:59

77 Squadron The Veiled Vipers

Optical Sensor & FLIR Turret is there on the Display Model

Photos Courtesy Sony Ericsson mobile phone & Shiv Aroor

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 05 Feb 2011 16:34

Uggggg. they should have called it Platypus.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 05 Feb 2011 17:17

This explains how Russia have enough to be happy about despite being out of the mmrca race.. We are going to have the Mig-35's after all

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Feb 2011 18:56

that viper has the biggest fangs I ever seen....almost like walrus tusks.

Baldev · Post by **Baldev** » 05 Feb 2011 19:14

Singha wrote:in stuff like tankers, LRMP, tactical and strategic transports, UAV, PGMs, optronic pods, WLRs they have fallen way behind and are essentially using mid 1980s stuff. once they have products competitive with those on offer from the west, they will automatically become serious players again for the areas they have "lost" now.

MRTA will/may have upgraded engine PD-14.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviadvigatel_PD-14
http://www.avid.ru/eng/advanced-develop ... ional_Jet/

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Feb 2011 19:14

Just saw a news report on India TV (in Hindi) on the C-130 Induction

1: The largest US built transport plane
2. This plane has two engines.

BTW the pilot does a sharp take off at an AoA of like 70 degrees, goes up like a 200-300 ft and then tapers off.
Also demonstrates Very short landing.

Looked quite impressive.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Feb 2011 19:16

Singha wrote:that viper has the biggest fangs I ever seen....almost like walrus tusks.

Here's a photo of viper fangs

Drishyaman · Post by **Drishyaman** » 05 Feb 2011 19:37

Gagan wrote:news report on India TV (in Hindi) on the C-130 Induction

2. This plane has two engines.
take off at an AoA of like 70 degrees

India TV is a good entertainment channel, please, don't see news on that.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 05 Feb 2011 19:54

IAF statement:

IAF Inducts First of the C-130J Super Hercules

The IAF aircraft will make its debut appearance at the Aero India-2011, at Bengaluru, from February 9-13.

Anoop. A. · Post by **Anoop. A.** » 05 Feb 2011 20:46

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QKkSf03VuFY/T ... C02755.JPG
If you look closely, you can see that the tail number KC-3802 has been photoshoped on to the picture. The aircraft KC-3802 does not have a refuelling probe (Curious as to the reason????). The C130J in the picture is KC-3801.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Feb 2011 20:59

I had a seen a stuffed gaboon viper in a museum once. definitely a shivering dhoti moment.

the pic must have been supplied directly by the vendor...

James B · Post by **James B** » 05 Feb 2011 21:35

IAF Inducts C-130J-30 Super Hercules Aircraft

http://defenceforumindia.com/showthread ... post233727

You can see inside of the cockpit in these pictures.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Feb 2011 21:48

James B wrote:IAF Inducts C-130J-30 Super Hercules Aircraft

http://defenceforumindia.com/showthread ... post233727

You can see inside of the cockpit in these pictures.

The site gives me a security warning..

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 05 Feb 2011 23:01

check tarmak007 for neat pictures of the induction ceremony

http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 06 Feb 2011 04:46

The seawasp mk engines were ready long back, wonder why the 29 upgrades did not carry these blisked 4-6k hour mtbf engines? A zhuk ae would have been awesome (they were ready too).

Baldev · Post by **Baldev** » 06 Feb 2011 05:25

SaiK wrote:The seawasp mk engines were ready long back, wonder why the 29 upgrades did not carry these blisked 4-6k hour mtbf engines? A zhuk ae would have been awesome (they were ready too).

you know life of mig29 would be 1500 or say 1700 hours left so using mk engine on mig29 is not worth moreover having zhuk ae is good but again mig29 has only 6 hardpoints so in order to fully exploit the capability of aesa you need more hardpoints with different weapons with more payload capability because some weapons are heavier that the hardpoints are not designed to carry those weapons

and to fire 4 air to ground PGM/STANDOFF weapon with 2 air to air missiles or say 6 air to air missiles because mig29 can't carry more than this at a time and zhuk me serves this purpose very well

on rafale,f18,typhoon they have more hardpoints to carry more weapons at a time so aesa is desired option.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 06 Feb 2011 05:35

There is (was) a nice article on the AESA (posted a a few years ago in MRCA technical thread). The AESA can be used for more things than a normal radar, specially networking. I am not advocating that the 29 get AESA, but there could be other reasons why it should get it. ??????????

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 06 Feb 2011 05:39

that is some neat cockpit we got.

Baldev · Post by **Baldev** » 06 Feb 2011 05:47

NRao wrote:There is (was) a nice article on the AESA (posted a a few years ago in MRCA technical thread). The AESA can be used for more things than a normal radar, specially networking. I am not advocating that the 29 get AESA, but there could be other reasons why it should get it. ??????????

aesa radar and rd33mk have long life but mig29 won't last that long so where they will throw the radar and engines when airframe is worn-out n the thats wastage of money

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 06 Feb 2011 06:04

Baldev ji,

I suspect you know a lot more than me on that aspect. However, not to belabor the point, since the AESA can perform a lot more than a normal radar, even with a shorter usage time, would it not contribute to the over all picture? An AESA has a humongous bandwidth - as a network carrier. I would imagine it could be used to transmit real-time pictures and other info to other planes or the ground (it has been used to show ground forces what lies ahead - in real-time).

It has been used to locate IDEs, for intel purposes, to break into computer networks.

Point being, even if the life is an issue, it certainly seems to have greater value than a normal radar.

The ONLY issue I can think of is that the Russians have no experience with most of these uses (outside of the US no one really is mature). Not a knock on them, just an observation.

Baldev · Post by **Baldev** » 06 Feb 2011 06:19

NRao wrote:Baldev ji,

I suspect you know a lot more than me on that aspect. However, not to belabor the point, since the AESA can perform a lot more than a normal radar, even with a shorter usage time, would it not contribute to the over all picture? An AESA has a humongous bandwidth - as a network carrier. I would imagine it could be used to transmit real-time pictures and other info to other planes or the ground (it has been used to show ground forces what lies ahead - in real-time).

It has been used to locate IDEs, for intel purposes, to break into computer networks.

Point being, even if the life is an issue, it certainly seems to have greater value than a normal radar.

The ONLY issue I can think of is that the Russians have no experience with most of these uses (outside of the US no one really is mature). Not a knock on them, just an observation.

there is no doubt aesa has its own merits but there are already specialized external pods for the tasks mentioned above can be fitted to any aircraft.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 06 Feb 2011 06:50

Singha wrote:that viper has the biggest fangs I ever seen....almost like walrus tusks.

Gaboon vipers do have the biggest fangs of any snakes. So the patch is fine with those massive fangs..really nasty looking one they've depicted there..love the name too.."Veiled Vipers"..you don't want to take that veil off

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 06 Feb 2011 08:10

Looking at the induction images at Tarmak blog, I could not see the IFr probe. Is this an omission from the equipment fit or the attachment is present but will be added later later on.

Sriman · Post by **Sriman** » 06 Feb 2011 08:17

Pratyush wrote:Looking at the induction images at Tarmak blog, I could not see the IFr probe. Is this an omission from the equipment fit or the attachment is present but will be added later later on.

It was apparently removed for the long flight from US. It will be fitted again.

SriSri · Post by **SriSri** » 06 Feb 2011 08:19

When will we stop seeing netas hogging the limelight? This is as disgusting as Sharad Pawar trying to be the center of attraction at a cricket award ceremony.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 06 Feb 2011 09:11

dont grudge them their moment in sun. keeps them informed. also they are the ones who sign off on the file...I'd rather have a enthusiastic minister who tours and touches all the stuff than a hands-off fuzzy itivity manager type guy.

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 06 Feb 2011 09:25

^^^ I'd have to agree. The good minister could've chosen not to fund any of this. Group Captain Tejbir Singh has received plenty of coverage too. I'd never heard of him before but he now has 3 pages on Google

sum · Post by **sum** » 06 Feb 2011 10:35

^^ Will these aircraft also form part of the soon-to-com SOAR squadron of the IAF/SF?

arun · Post by **arun** » 06 Feb 2011 15:19

X Posted.

venku_Raj wrote:Navy to procure nine amphibious aircraft

The RFI for the 9 Amphibious Aircraft sought by the Navy is available here.

Check out the annexure on page 4 for the required technical parameters. Preferred a twin/ multi turboprop with a minimum range of 800 nm, pressurised cabin, minimum service altitude of 15,000 ft, NVG capable cockpit, FLIR, SLAR, Search Radar, RWR and MAWS :

REQUEST FOR INFORMATION FOR PROCUREMENT OF NINE AMPHIBIAN AIRCRAFT

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 06 Feb 2011 15:28

looking at the FLIR,SLAR. RWR, NVG, MAWS thing this cannot be just a simple patrol or parcel carrier. covert missions come to mind.

arun · Post by **arun** » 06 Feb 2011 18:31

arun wrote:X Posted.

venku_Raj wrote:Navy to procure nine amphibious aircraft
The RFI for the 9 Amphibious Aircraft sought by the Navy is available here.

Check out the annexure on page 4 for the required technical parameters. Preferred a twin/ multi turboprop with a minimum range of 800 nm, pressurised cabin, minimum service altitude of 15,000 ft, NVG capable cockpit, FLIR, SLAR, Search Radar, RWR and MAWS :

REQUEST FOR INFORMATION FOR PROCUREMENT OF NINE AMPHIBIAN AIRCRAFT

X Posted.

A comparison of the amphibian’s on the market namely the Shinmaywa US2, Bombardier CL-415 and the Beriev Be 200

Amphibians Around The World

More on them here:

Shinmaywa US-2 : US-2

Bombardier 415 MP :CL-415

Beriev Be 200: Be 200

The webpage on the Dornier Seaplane aka Seastar is dead (permanently?).

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Feb 2011 19:08

I got a video of the Beriev Be 212 bombing Yelahanka with water in 2007. Note that this video was taken from the ADVA- the public Air Display Viewing area.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwcLHw-ZRLc

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 06 Feb 2011 23:51

tarmak007.blogspot.com has some good pictures of various aircrafts participating in AI-11.

Found this pic of two IJTs, one in IAF grey. Looks cool! Click of higher res images.

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 07 Feb 2011 01:10

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Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 07 Feb 2011 01:11

^^ Sir, the same pic has been posted in the Aero India thread... And they look mighty good...

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Feb 2011 09:46

Why do we need so many firangis for C-130J induction?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/usembassyn ... 421111680/

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 07 Feb 2011 09:54

arun wrote:[quote="arun"A comparison of the amphibian’s on the market namely the Shinmaywa US2, Bombardier CL-415 and the Beriev Be 200

Amphibians Around The World

Nice table , US2 and CL-415 seems to use turboprop engine and Be200 turbofan , US2 seems more capable of the lot but AFIK Japan does not export military equipment.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 07 Feb 2011 09:54

abhishek_sharma wrote:Why do we need so many firangis for C-130J induction?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/usembassyn ... 421111680/

Just the usual Bharat Darshan and to enjoy the spicy food.

Probably for 6 months to a year they would have many goras to assist smooth transitioning of C-130J in the IAF and to take care of induction/maintenance problem/procedures .

sourab_c · Post by **sourab_c** » 07 Feb 2011 09:56

abhishek_sharma wrote:Why do we need so many firangis for C-130J induction?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/usembassyn ... 421111680/

I would assume they are part of the maintenance crew that will be stationed in India to look after the planes.

sum · Post by **sum** » 07 Feb 2011 09:57

^^ The first breach( of the Indian market) is always important and maximum Amriki guests must have been present to try to take credit.

Anyways, from now, the trickle of American goodies will turn into a flood ( M777, C-17s, attack helo etc) and will not make much news. So, milk it while it is fresh.