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ramana wrote: Slowly US people are also realising how mistaken Bin Powell was. He beat up the grass snake and saved the cobra!
The problem is, institutional inertia in the US Foreign Policy establishment is so strong that no matter how thoroughly the pot is churned, these kinds of scum keep returning to the top.

Today Zbignew Brzezinski-- the primary architect of the global jihad problem-- is an elder statesman dispensing sage advice to the Ombaba administration.

There is already talk in DC of Quolin Bin Powell al-Trinidadi being recruited to replace Clinton as Secy of State, should Ombaba win another term! Just the kind of person to repair and soothe frayed relations with the indispensable Pakistani allies...
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Rudradev ji,

why did you call Colin Powell "al-Trinidadi"?
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His origins are from Jamaica.
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Rudradev wrote: There is already talk in DC of Quolin Bin Powell al-Trinidadi being recruited to replace Clinton as Secy of State, should Ombaba win another term! Just the kind of person to repair and soothe frayed relations with the indispensable Pakistani allies...
so that he can wave another glass of radio-active terrorism in front of the world?
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Gitmo classified man from Baluchistan as a citizen of Baluchistan...the country

http://wikileaks.ch/gitmo/prisoner/10018.html
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ramana wrote:His origins are from Jamaica.

Not only that Trinidad is on the way of becoming Trinidadabad ala Londonistan
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Article mentions that the dead bodies were shifted to hospital, the survivors were buried perhaps, keeping with Pakistanese traditions. How these Pakisanese people take pride in burning children alive is beyond comprehension.
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jrjrao wrote:Like that earlier vacuum bulb burst in Karachi, here is another creative Paki explanation:

'Toilet gas' blast damages police station in Peshawar
http://tribune.com.pk/story/156269/four ... e-station/
ArmenT wrote:^^^^
Behold the power of Pindi Channa. Gives new meaning to the phrase "bum blast" :D
Biradhers,
You are missing the point.

Pakistan has just tested its Hydrogen (Sulphide) Tactical Newclear bomb. They will use this in the new NASR MBRL.
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shiv wrote:
I have a personal view on some things here and it is something that I have stated before. The Paki army is using groups that are ideologically motivated by Islam to do their dirty work. As long as you use Islam - you cannot guide Islam to be anti-Hindu and not anti-USA/west/Israel. But, the "Catch 22" here is that if you don't use islam, then you have to have a a"secular force" and a we well disciplined army that will follow your orders and attack anyone whom you say. Such an army can be used to attack India alone, and leave the US untouched.

What we are seeing in Pakistan is a gradual turning of the wheel back to 1965 or thereabouts. Pakistan had a relatively secular well disciplined army that would attack India alone and not the west. They lost too many wars despite US arms) and gradually applied Islam to the problem and developed Islamic armies to attack kafir India. What we are seeing is a failure of that and an effort to remove Islam from armies. the US would have no problem with a secular pro US Pakistan with an army that opposes India with US arms. 1965 redux, in other words. The question is whether Pakistan can do that. I doubt it.
This is a very important point here. It took me some time to fully get it.

Pak army and the terror groups are being molded but they have reached a point of no return. Now there is increasing volatile situation and they are unable to find the right direction. The other goal of the islamization was to create stability in the social structure order and govt stability. This was also not acheived and the country is headed for disaster.
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IMF considers Pakistan economic teams deceitful, liars

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s former representative in the International Monetary Fund (IMF) board Dr Ehtisham Ahmad Monday disclosed that a last moment favour by the White House helped Pakistan gain $11.3 Stand-by Arrangement in 2008 with the IMF, which initially turned down Pakistan’s request saying the economic managers lied on tax reforms, a perception that has now become reality in 2010-11.

Now after two-and-half-year the IMF considers the economic policymakers ‘cheaters and liars’, said the former official. He was addressing a seminar on ‘Urgency of Tax Reforms-The challenge to the Macroeconomics Situation and Development’ organised by the Institute of Development Economics and Alternatives, known as IDEAs, funded by the Open Society Foundation of New York.

IMF has had very low opinion about Pakistan that became a reason for initially refusing the bailout programme, sought to avoid defaults on international payments. “The White House had to intervene (to secure a programme for Pakistan) as even the friends on the IMF board said Pakistan’s economic team lied on the promise of levying (the value-added tax).”

He said the 2008 programme was approved on a plan prepared by Finance Secretary Dr Waqar Masood and the key element of Masood’s plan was that Pakistan would finally address the domestic resources mobilisation issue and generate additional tax revenues equivalent to 1.0 percent of the total national income for consecutive three years The IMF wanted Pakistan to enhance tax to gross domestic product (GDP) ratio to 14 percent from the lows of 9.0 percent till 2013 and reduce the budget deficit to 3.0 percent of the total size of the economy. And after two-and-half-year the programme is suspended due to failure in implementing tax reforms and we are standing nowhere. Dr Ahmad said it would not be easy for Pakistan to have another bailout programme with tainted reputation. “It is now a different IMF that will seek prior implementation of conditions before agreeing to a new programme.”

He said even the Kerry Lugar money is not coming without the IMF Letter of Comfort. On a question whether the US can tide the new loan programme with North Waziristan operations, he said North Waziristan could be an American card, but now even the US has been finding it very hard to convince the IMF to release the withheld tranches.

He said the Federal Board of Revenue (FBR) opposed the value-added tax implementation, as it also would have taken away the FBR’s powers to issue Statutory Regulatory Orders, which is an important tool for maintaining ‘cozy relations with individual companies’. He said the general sales tax has mutilated over 10 years by the FBR, which has traditionally known for rent seeking. He said SRO 283 that reduced the sales tax rate on textile, carpets, leathers, surgical and sports goods from 17 percent to 4 and 6 percent, is an ‘April fool gift to the nation by the FBR’. He said the SRO 283 has killed the tax reforms. He said the 7th National Finance Order was on an assumption of the VAT implementation and now without VAT this and the successive governments will be in jeopardy. “Now the unfunded devolution has put the 18th Amendment under risk.” Dr Ahmad said the government should disband the inefficient and corrupt FBR and form another agency on the model of the central bank. He said to minimise the gap between expenditures and income. The government should levy wealth tax at district levels. The colonies like Clifton, Gulburg, Raiwand and GOR would be taxed in the new budget. He said the government should consolidate corporate income tax and also tax all incomes irrespective of source. “Windows of opportunity are fast closing on Pakistan due to the credibility issue,” said Dr Faisal Bari, a renowned economist. He said the government should tax all the sectors irrespective of size of revenue to ensure equity of tax. staff report
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2011_pg5_1
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From twitter @CChristineFair

>>Why R folks so vexed @ my comments re RAW's running ops in Balochistan? Is the implication that RAW z inept? Benign? If so, why pay them?

TIFWIW. Surprised folks out there are 'vexed' and all. Thought it was only a BR phenomenon...
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Acharya wrote: The other goal of the islamization was to create stability in the social structure order and govt stability. This was also not acheived and the country is headed for disaster.
Could you elaborate on the highlighted text above? MTIA.
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SureshP wrote:
IMF considers Pakistan economic teams deceitful, liars

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s former representative in the International Monetary Fund (IMF) board Dr Ehtisham Ahmad Monday disclosed that a last moment favour by the White House helped Pakistan gain $11.3 Stand-by Arrangement in 2008 with the IMF, which initially turned down Pakistan’s request saying the economic managers lied on tax reforms, a perception that has now become reality in 2010-11.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2011_pg5_1
IMF needs to understand that it is ok for the Pakis to lie & cheat against the kuffar, it is considered halal.
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from US PoV, but amazingly honest...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... betray-us/

SMITH: Why Pakistan will betray us
It should come as little surprise, but U.S. headlines are again dominated by dour news out of Pakistan. The U.S.-Pakistan relationship is today under severe strain, rattled by heated disputes over CIA drone strikes in Pakistan’s tribal areas; clandestine U.S. intelligence operations inside Pakistan; and Islamabad’s persistent refusal to crack down on the Taliban and their radical allies. Intelligence cooperation is at an all-time low.

This latest series of rifts may indeed prove more damaging and permanent than previous disruptions, but they fit all too neatly in the general narrative of U.S.-Pakistan relations. One day Islamabad is touted as an indispensable ally; the next it is a back-stabbing fountain of Islamist militancy. For the longest time, these competing tensions were encapsulated in the Washington debate over whether or not Pakistan was playing a “double game.”

But we were debating the wrong question. Of course Pakistan is playing a double game. Of course its intelligence agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), supports Islamist militants. The relevant question is not if Pakistan is playing a double game, but why? The simplest answer is that Pakistan believes it needs a pliant, anti-Indian regime in Afghanistan and - as it has for decades - Pakistan is using Islamist militants as an extension of its foreign policy.

In short, Islamabad sees a Taliban-led government in Kabul as the best guarantor of its interests in neighboring Afghanistan. But this, too, begs the question: What are its interests? Why risk international condemnation and the ire of your superpower benefactor for influence in a desolate, landlocked country with few natural resources or infrastructure, and of questionable strategic value?

Two motivations are often cited: First, Islamabad is said to covet Afghanistan for “strategic depth.” Pakistan is geographically narrow and its major cities, positioned as they are near its eastern border with India, are vulnerable to attack in the event of a war with its rival. Thus, Pakistan’s military planners - for whom an Indian invasion is always imminent - yearn for the rugged Afghan terrain to the west, where a retreating army could regroup and coordinate a guerrilla war, if necessary.

Second, Pakistan is fearful of Indian influence in Afghanistan. Around every corner in Kabul, Pakistanis see Indian agents and behind every Afghan initiative, a nefarious Hindu plot. :rotfl: That India’s presence in Afghanistan has been benign, civilian and economic in nature has not stopped the ISI from backing brazen jihadi attacks on the Indian Embassy in Kabul.

This suggests that Pakistan’s perceived interests in Afghanistan are India-centric. However, the fear of ethnic (specifically Pashtun and Baluch) nationalism may play an even greater role in Pakistan’s strategy, penetrating to the heart of what constitutes Pakistani identity and the integrity of the Pakistani state.

There are roughly 40 million Pashtuns straddling the Afghan-Pakistan border, the notoriously autonomous “martial race,” with legendary fighting prowess (virtually all Taliban are Pashtun, but not all Pashtun are Taliban). The Af-Pak border that cuts this stateless nation in half was drawn by India’s colonial British overlords in 1893. Incorporating a sliver of the Afghan frontier into northwestern India, the Durand Line, as the border is called, was designed to create a buffer zone between India and the lawless hinterland beyond. But after partition in 1947, the new (West) Pakistani state inherited these Pashtun tribal areas.

Like their countrymen in the east, the Pashtuns - and the even more disaffected Baluch minority in the south - are Muslim, but they share little else in common in terms of culture, language, allegiance or history. So it comes as no surprise that they have periodically agitated for greater autonomy, independence or even incorporation into Afghanistan. As the saying goes, the Afghans have a terribly weak state but a cohesive national identity. In Pakistan, the strong, military-run state is in part compensation for its fragile national identity.

Consequently, Islamabad is hypersensitive to ethnic nationalism and separatism. Pakistan already lost nearly half its territory - East Pakistan - to another disgruntled ethnic minority in the 1971 war that created Bangladesh. To complicate matters further, successive Afghan governments, including the Pakistani-backed Taliban regime of the 1990s, have refused to recognize the Durand Line. Pakistan fears that a strong and independent Afghanistan - let alone one allied to India - could challenge their artificial border and agitate Pashtun or Baluch nationalists, undermining Pakistan from within. A friendly, Taliban-led regime in Kabul is thus seen by Islamabad as the best defense against this possibility and against Indian “encirclement.”

Of course, none of Pakistan’s “interests” in Afghanistan justify its backing fanatical jihadists that slaughter the innocent, the majority of which are Muslim. But Washington must better understand the misguided logic behind Pakistan’s double game if it insists on being a party to it until 2014. Pakistan, on the other hand, has been obsessing for so long over a phantom menace, it is blind to the real threat to its strategic interests: a fundamental split with the United States. Ten years of supporting America’s Islamist enemies has poisoned its reputation in America. Its once-mighty defenders in Washington are isolated and shrinking in number, while a younger generation of policymakers knows nothing of Pakistan but militancy, corruption and deception. When the United States inevitably departs Afghanistan, so too, will Pakistan’s “leverage” over America. Only then will Pakistan’s leadership realize the true cost of their double game.

who is this Jeff Smith guy? i like him. finally a Westerner realizes that Pakistan is nothing but an artificial identity created by colonial interests!!! that it has no basis other than as an anti-India entity. Pakistan's entire raison-d'etre is to be ANTI-INDIA. a westerner saying it out loud is a miracle...
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Hari Seldon wrote:From twitter @CChristineFair

>>Why R folks so vexed @ my comments re RAW's running ops in Balochistan? Is the implication that RAW z inept? Benign? If so, why pay them?

TIFWIW. Surprised folks out there are 'vexed' and all. Thought it was only a BR phenomenon...

People are vexed because it unfair and more importantly untrue. It maligns and besmirches India which is doing is utmost to provide civilian support to Afghanistan. Its not a matter of benign or otherwise.
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It also shows that Fair's only argument is "RAW exists, therefore it has to be doing something". i.e. she has no evidence.
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So to satisfy her she wants RAW disbanded? She is tasked to assuage TSP and is coming up with stuff to pin the blame on India.
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Sadler wrote:
Acharya wrote: The other goal of the islamization was to create stability in the social structure order and govt stability. This was also not acheived and the country is headed for disaster.
Could you elaborate on the highlighted text above? MTIA.
Answering for Acharya. Pakis fell for Jinnah-Maududi-mullah rhetoric that claims that pure Islam leads to automatic "stability in the social structure order and govt stability". You need to get purer and purer and remove all impurity.

If I may use an example - we have the letters A to Z of the English alphabet. If I claim that only the letter A is correct and unchangeable and all other letters can be wrong, then we could have sentences that read as follows. I will use the sentence you wrote as an example

Sadler wrote
"Could you elaborate on the highlighted text above? MTIA."

Remember that only the letter "A" is correct. Everything else is wrong. Only A is the correct path to follow.
So Sadler could have written:

"tyhgc ncr hmubybAte on the jbftlighted hb%t Abosr? WTVA."

In fact the only route to go from here is to write

"AAAAA AAA AAAAAAAAA AA AAA AAAAAAAAAAA AAAA AAAAAA AAAA"

:mrgreen:
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Dipanker wrote:IMF needs to understand that it is ok for the Pakis to lie & cheat against the kuffar, it is considered halal.
Oh. . according to the late, lamented Gen. Zia-ul-Haq, Amir-ul-Momineen and no less, it is even more than that. He claimed that Islam itself allows lying for a good cause. And, what can be a better cause than lying to swindle the money of the infidel ?
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shiv wrote: In fact the only route to go from here is to write

"AAAAA AAA AAAAAAAAA AA AAA AAAAAAAAAAA AAAA AAAAAA AAAA"

:mrgreen:
Thank you for a succinct explanation.
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Blast hits bus carrying naval personnel in Karachi, at least 15 injured - local media

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Geo News reports 2nd blast in Baldia Town area of #Karachi, one killed & several injured.
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AoA.... IED mubarak to jihadi PN folks who might have taught Kasab and co to navigate the seas to reach India.
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shravan wrote:Blast hits bus carrying naval personnel in Karachi, at least 15 injured - local media

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Geo News reports 2nd blast in Baldia Town area of #Karachi, one killed & several injured.

Ah! Mubarak ho! Mubarak ho!

It must have been one of those ultramodern Volvo buses with a toilet where toilet gases can build up and cause a bum blast.
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Ejaz Haider is the first TSPian to realize what has been obvious to me about the "test" of the so called tactical nuke delivery missile Nasr.

By testing a system that is meant to attack an Indian formation that has moved inside TSP's territory, TSPA is conceding that:

(a) They will not use counter value weapons i.e. send nukes on Nodong/Barber etc. BEFORE India crosses the IB

and

(b) They expect that an Indian formation will break through TSPA defences and remain largely intact i.e. TSPA's conventional capability is not so great

Super self-goals by the tactically brilliant brigade...
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The IDSA article in the Mil Forum says India could ensure TSP nukes its own territory by sending even more advancing columns to get Nasred!

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 2#p1076092

See the underlined portion.

But really a short range rocket is hardly a deterrent. The US gave up the Little John and Davy Crockett weapons long ago as being unusable and more like last ditch tactics.
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What's wrong with these suicide bummers? Singles won't do. When r they going to score a century?
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Ramana

Kayani and co brown panted about Cold Start for a while with their American counterparts, so they (TSPA) probably felt like they had to do something to keep the H&D. But by doing it and thumping their chest they are forgetting that the message being sent is the opposite. It's like an impotent man who has been hoarding v1agra now racing to buy the over the counter "p#nile enhancer" product - by buying the new product you are essentially declaring that even v1agra did not do the job and you remain namard...
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US charges 4 more Pakistanis in 2008 Mumbai attack case
CHICAGO: Four Pakistanis have been charged as co-conspirators in the 2008 Mumbai attack that killed 166 people, including six Americans, US prosecutors said on Monday.

The four were previously mentioned, but not named, in indictments charging American David Headley and Pakistani-born Chicago businessman Tahawwur Rana with helping to identify targets in Mumbai.

All of the four newly-indicted figures are linked to the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba, one of the largest and best-funded Islamic militant groups in the region. The group is blamed for the November 2008 attacks on Mumbai, which killed 166 people in India's commercial capital.

Those newly indicted were Sajid Mir, Abu Qahafa, Mazhar Iqbal, and a fourth defendant known only by the alias "Major Iqbal." None are in US custody. All four are believed to be in Pakistan.
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We know Smoke kills the potency. Kiyani is the most Impotant man in Poakristan.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110425/wl_ ... _guantanmo
Guantanamo documents name Pakistan ISI as al Qaeda associate
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) – The U.S. military classified Pakistan's top spy agency as a terrorist support entity in 2007 and used association with it as a justification to detain prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, according to leaked documents published on Sunday that are sure to further alienate Pakistan.One document (http://link.reuters.com/tyn29r), given to The New York Times, say detainees who associated with Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate "may have provided support to al-Qaida or the Taliban, or engaged in hostilities against US or Coalition forces."The ISI, along with al Qaeda, Hamas and Hezbollah and Iranian intelligence, are among 32 groups on the list of "associated forces," which also includes Egypt's Islamic Jihad, headed by al Qaeda deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri.he document defines an "associate force" as "militant forces and organizations with which al-Qaida, the al-Qaida network, or the Taliban has an established working, supportive, or beneficiary relationship for the achievement of common goals."
The ISI said it had no comment.
ISI= Inbreeding Suar Islamists.
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Dipanker wrote: IMF needs to understand that it is ok for the Pakis to lie & cheat against the kuffar, it is considered halal.
taller than mountain friend has taller than mountain reserve which they lend the west but has no will to lend it's rakhel. Obviously business first, isn't it? :lol:
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Poaks ki Ammi UQ.

http://prairiepundit.blogspot.com/2011/ ... ruits.html
London was source of terrorist recruits sent to Pakistan to train
Qatada and Abu Hamza, two preachers who lived off state benefits after claiming asylum, are identified by the American authorities as the key recruiters responsible for sending dozens of extremists from throughout the world to Pakistan and Afghanistan via London mosques.The leaked documents, written by senior US military commanders at Guantánamo Bay, illustrate how, for two decades, Britain effectively became a crucible of terrorism, with dozens of extremists, home-grown and from abroad, radicalised here.Finsbury Park mosque, in north London, is described as a “haven” for extremists. United States intelligence officials concluded the mosque served as “an attack planning and propaganda production base”.
The files will raise questions over why the Government and security services failed to take action sooner to tackle the capital’s reputation as a staging post for terrorism, which became so established that the city was termed “Londonistan”.The documents show that at least 35 detainees at Guantánamo had passed through Britain before being sent to fight against Allied forces in Afghanistan. This is thought to be more than from any other Western nation. Of those, 18 were originally from abroad. The other 17 were British nationals or citizens granted residency here after claiming asylum, who were indoctrinated before being sent to terrorist training camps in Afghanistan.The Government has paid millions of pounds in compensation and benefits to people regarded as highly dangerous by the US authorities.
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Rangudu wrote:Ramana

Kayani and co brown panted about Cold Start for a while with their American counterparts, so they (TSPA) probably felt like they had to do something to keep the H&D. But by doing it and thumping their chest they are forgetting that the message being sent is the opposite. It's like an impotent man who has been hoarding v1agra now racing to buy the over the counter "p#nile enhancer" product - by buying the new product you are essentially declaring that even v1agra did not do the job and you remain namard...

I think India's Man Mohini Singh as found the antidote for TSPsura. Its Cold Start which will lead TSP to nuke themselves with every advancing column.
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Ex-ISI men likely behind 26/11 attacks, says Athar
http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/26/ex-isi-m ... athar.html
Military spokesman Maj-Gen Athar Abbas has hinted at involvement of retired ISI officials in the 2008 Mumbai attacks, but categorically denied any role of serving spies.
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^ athar-bull-cutlet likely to be soon
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Nisar lashes out at intelligence agencies
In an apparent reference to a sit-in staged by Imran Khan a day before in Peshawar, he pointed finger at the agencies for pulling the strings of “test-tube” politicians.
I like this term Test-Tube Khan.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

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saip wrote:What's wrong with these suicide bummers? Singles won't do. When r they going to score a century?
its a boundary so far.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

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Anujan wrote:Ex-ISI men likely behind 26/11 attacks, says Athar
http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/26/ex-isi-m ... athar.html
Military spokesman Maj-Gen Athar Abbas has hinted at involvement of retired ISI officials in the 2008 Mumbai attacks, but categorically denied any role of serving spies.
Slowly they seem to be on the path towards owning up to it. Didnt you write up a post about how isi cols were deputed to the taliban/tanzeems and since they were temporarily not on duty it wasnt the isi which was responsible for terror attacks. Would you consider this statement a climbdown from that position?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

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Anujan wrote:The ISI is key to maintaining such power imbalance. The moment ISI starts snooping on the army and not the civvies, the power equation will change. The ISI will start snooping on the army if the civvies manage to get a constituency inside the ISI loyal to the civvies. Which they can do by bribing and promotions. Which can only happen if ISI is under civilian control. So you get the idea.
While I agree with your logic, it is difficult to imagine this actually happening because TSPA has a proven record of protecting their own while civvies have spectacularly failed to protect their own lives. On top of that ISI is basically under TSPA chain of command where the top dog TFTAs themselves get to choose the members of that organisation. If ISI were ever to change sides then the push will have to come from within. IMHO onlee.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

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Dilbu wrote:
Anujan wrote:The ISI is key to maintaining such power imbalance. The moment ISI starts snooping on the army and not the civvies, the power equation will change. The ISI will start snooping on the army if the civvies manage to get a constituency inside the ISI loyal to the civvies. Which they can do by bribing and promotions. Which can only happen if ISI is under civilian control. So you get the idea.
While I agree with your logic, it is difficult to imagine this actually happening because TSPA has a proven record of protecting their own while civvies have spectacularly failed to protect their own lives. On top of that ISI is basically under TSPA chain of command where the top dog TFTAs themselves get to choose the members of that organisation. If ISI were ever to change sides then the push will have to come from within. IMHO onlee.
I thought the ISI was a mini-branch of the TSPA. Weren't kiyanahi and few others before him, head of the isi too? How far removed are the two entities, if they're two separate disjoint entities in the first place? Would be interesting to hear from folks who have an idea.
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