Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2011

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 27 Apr 2011 18:08

Panetta to head Pentagon, Petraeus picked for CIA chief!
http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/27/panetta- ... r-cia.html

Ha ha ha. Great news. Kiyani beta, time to shit bricks, or its back to the mountains of N Waziristan. This is going to be tough on PK military.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 27 Apr 2011 18:40

menon s wrote:Panetta to head Pentagon, Petraeus picked for CIA chief!
http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/27/panetta- ... r-cia.html

Ha ha ha. Great news. Kiyani beta, time to shit bricks, or its back to the mountains of N Waziristan. This is going to be tough on PK military.

A hardened army general who knows everyone in Afghanistan and Pakistan, heading the CIA is a definite bad news to Pakistan. It send the right message to people on the ground. I am not at all surprised by this decision. Obama is going for the kill.
Petraeus is one general who is not going to fancy pakis if they serve him samosas and kava. Lap dance..may be..naaaaaaa!

They are going to intensify Drone attacks and more special forces on ground. More trouble for pakiess..

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 27 Apr 2011 18:46

Petraeus is politically ambitious. This is a move seen by some as a way to prevent him standing in elections against Obama in 2012

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 27 Apr 2011 18:55

menon s wrote:Panetta to head Pentagon, Petraeus picked for CIA chief!
http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/27/panetta- ... r-cia.html

Ha ha ha. Great news. Kiyani beta, time to shit bricks, or its back to the mountains of N Waziristan. This is going to be tough on PK military.

He is the one who said Faizal Shahzad acted on his own without external help, only later to find out taliban was behind it.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 27 Apr 2011 19:29

^^^^^^ Commentators in Pakistan are not very happy. Here is an old article on Petraeus.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182556238902393.html

Al qeda`s Global Base is in Afghanistan.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 27 Apr 2011 19:31

pertreus or whatever...its all going to be the same same with changed name. nobody can push against this kind of inertia unless orders come from top and ombaba is not that one.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 27 Apr 2011 19:56

OBAMA might not do it in Indian interest, but in his own interest. He needs to at least show a semblance of change in Afghanistan. He too will have an opposition to face?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Apr 2011 20:04

^ Ramanaji said this long time ago (in my words)

"if we can make unkil understand where it's self interests truly are, that self realization alone will lead unkil to confrontation with paki snakes"

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Apr 2011 20:16

Gilani says GoP backs all ISI actions & ISI within GoP's control

OK, that then makes the GoP a terrorist government as well.

Besides, Gilani must recall what happened on July 26, 2008 when he transferred the ISI out of the PA control and how he had to somersault immediately. Within a few hours after this stunning announcement was made, the Government had to beat a hasty retreat as the Pakistani Army called Gilani who was in the US to inform him in no uncertain terms that the move was unacceptable to them. Thus, the announcement made at 9 PM on July 26 was rescinded by 3 AM on July 27, a matter of 6 Hours.

The US President George W Bush, as admitted by the Pakistani Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmed Mukhtar, was reported to have asked Pakistan on July 30, 2008 as to who was in charge of the ISI.

In an interview to the Friday Times (May 7-13, 2010), the PPP senator and the Spokesperson, Farhatullah Babar, for the President of Pakistan, Mr. Asif Ali Zardari, admitted that “Efforts in the past to tame the security agencies have failed. This is the dilemma but this also is the reality. The issue of taming the intelligence apparatus has also been raised in the Supreme Court in the missing persons’ case without much success. I hope the issue will receive the attention of the government although it is difficult to say to what extent it will bear fruit. ”

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Apr 2011 20:19

The flip flopping is to create a non-state actor out of ISI

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Apr 2011 20:34

APRIL 27, 2011

Karzai Told to Dump U.S.

Wall Street Journal

I rely on BR for the latest news of substance, the more pervasive so called western "free press" is busy with Katie chickie's royal wedding and investigating Obama's country of birth, and to me this is indeed some news. TSP has to have some b@lls to do this and get caught. Now question is, in practice, what does it mean? TSP demanded that Karzai not grant any militray bases to US? Now, more than anything else, this should make the clowns in DC stand up and take notice, but here the problem as I see it. I am of course looking at this development from India's PoV.

The goras in DC don't look at the "South Asians": India, TSP, and Afghanis as multi-dimensional human beings, rather as piddly pawns in their chess board (just witness the events in the mid east where depending on the country, the US is either on the side of the dictators or the opposition), and they would play each other like pygmies and derive maximum benefit. What I am saying is that US is not going to see TSP to be the snake that it is, but rather, will look for avenues to still grant the snake some strategic depth in Afganisthan as a way of maintaining equal equal between India and TSP. What is right for the region is the last thing on US mind. Its up to India to work on Karzai and play the same game. Some combination of US, India being the dominant players in Afganisthan is what is required to thwart TSP game plan of using Afganisthan to create harakiri in India with its pigLeTs.

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 27 Apr 2011 20:48

I do not see that it was Karzai Vs Unkil. there were only 4 to 5 high level people in the crazy meeting. TSP folks would not have leaked this as they thought by roping in china they were being very clever and karzai would be forced to do something stupid. In all probability
Karzai has leaked this to WSJ to put TSP in its place.

would be Interesting to see what Zardari told in turkey as well.

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 27 Apr 2011 20:48

I do not see that it was Karzai Vs Unkil. there were only 4 to 5 high level people in the crazy meeting. TSP folks would not have leaked this as they thought by roping in china they were being very clever and karzai would be forced to do do something stupid. In all probability
Karzai has leaked this to WSJ to put TSP in its place.

would be Interesting to see what Zardari told in turkey as well.

sum · Post by **sum** » 27 Apr 2011 21:22

I do not see that it was Karzai Vs Unkil. there were only 4 to 5 high level people in the crazy meeting. TSP folks would not have leaked this as they thought by roping in china they were being very clever and karzai would be forced to do do something stupid.

well, am sure that Karzai's team will be teeming with Amriki moles..So, even they could have leaked this after finding out the minutes of the meeting.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 27 Apr 2011 21:42

CRamS wrote:

The goras in DC don't look at the "South Asians": India, TSP, and Afghanis as multi-dimensional human beings, rather as piddly pawns in their chess board (just witness the events in the mid east where depending on the country, the US is either on the side of the dictators or the opposition), and they would play each other like pygmies and derive maximum benefit. What I am saying is that US is not going to see TSP to be the snake that it is, but rather, will look for avenues to still grant the snake some strategic depth in Afganisthan as a way of maintaining equal equal between India and TSP. What is right for the region is the last thing on US mind. Its up to India to work on Karzai and play the same game. Some combination of US, India being the dominant players in Afganisthan is what is required to thwart TSP game plan of using Afganisthan to create harakiri in India with its pigLeTs.

I agree. For them India looks just like the middle east or Af Pak people and area.
They consider that they can also do a soft coup inside India just like they do in other place. Look out guys.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 27 Apr 2011 22:59

i guess what we're seeing is Chinese confrontation of the US and its various poodles. My guess is that when Sri Lanka went in and killed off the LTTE (including mass killings of civilians perhaps) - the various interfering poodles could not do much due to Chinese support to the SL army.

In Afghanistan, I believe the same thing is happening - except the poodle is different and the confronted party is the US itself.

Expect more of this in other spheres - India will have to play this game carefully.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Apr 2011 00:22

Meet a Bolshevik made in Pakistan

http://pakistanblogzine.wordpress.com/2 ... -pakistan/

She is one of the biggest fan of Bdutt.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 28 Apr 2011 01:07

jrjrao wrote:Money from Unkil (and the IMF) has been a little slow in coming. And the situation in the land of the pure has become grim:

IMF has agreed to provide a "letter of comfort" So Pakis can get 1 Billion $ from WB and ADB. In addition, Unkil as agreed to release $981 million by june (~300m Carry-Logger money, ~681m baksheesh for mercenaries -- Coalition support fund)

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 Apr 2011 02:27

TOI Article: Pak tries to outflank US and India in Kabul with China card

The diplomatic form book shows that every time Pakistan is hauled up by its longtime patron United States, its leaders hare off to Beijing or Riyadh for solace and stash, comfort and cash. Small change in the script this time.

Let's both ditch US and hitch our stars to China.

There are cries of betrayal and disbelief at perceived Pakistani perfidy in some circles, with calls for re-ordering the relationship.

Did Groper say "both" or just "one of us" (meaning Afghans!)? I wonder who "squealed" on Groper?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Apr 2011 02:30

And whose circles?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 Apr 2011 02:39

Shankas wrote:Man the Pakis have some major Balls to do this.

Or they are just plain dumb. Take your pick. It doesn't take balls to jump off a bridge with no harness into a dried up river. Why would a sane leader (now, here's your answer) of one loony bin of a country ask another hell hole of a country's leader to dump a third country (which also happens to be the world's sole super power and prime benefactors of both) unless that first leader is just plain dumb. Doesn't he realize that there are no sacred cows anymore? Isn't he on record stating later in the day that ISI does everything according to the book and with full knowledge and backing of the paki government? If that is not admission of complicity in global terrorism, then what is? The pakis are losing it. Must be all that dried up grass.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 Apr 2011 02:41

Sushupti wrote: Meet a Bolshevik made in Pakistan http://pakistanblogzine.wordpress.com/2 ... -pakistan/
She is one of the biggest fan of Bdutt.

She's a paki? Looks more SDRE. Not the typical lawhori bimbos.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 Apr 2011 02:42

ramana wrote:And whose circles?

Neocons, I guess.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 28 Apr 2011 03:01

The next leak is going to be about Pacqui complicity in nau-gyarah as in a taped conversation between Ass-saf Kiya-nahi and Mohd Wheat-powder

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 28 Apr 2011 03:08

Half-baked analysis, but it shows that the fear of a Paki JDAM is going mainstream....

RICHARD NORTH PATTERSON: Why Pakistan Is the Most Dangerous Place On Earth
Fox News Opinion

There is no country with more active terrorists than Pakistan, and few with more nuclear weapons. The spur for nuclear armament is Pakistan’s bitter rivalry with India, focused on the violent sixty-year-old dispute over Kashmir. The unintended consequences could be lethal: a jihadist capture of nuclear weapons or materials for use against the West.
...
A Pakistani bomb carries enough HEU to destroy New York, but can travel in a container the size of a coffin. Its total weight is between 200 to 300 pounds, which means that a few men could put it in a van, truck, boat, cargo container, or private plane.

Such a weapon could easily be smuggled through the ports in Long Beach or New York, where we inspect roughly 2% of all cargo containers. From there, a small aircraft could deliver a nuclear weapon to any city in America.

For example, let's take Washington, D.C. In theory, we’ve got a fifteen mile no-fly zone around the capital, enforced by surface-to-air missiles and jets at Andrews Air Force Base on a five-minute alert. But thousands of aircraft fly within fifteen miles of the White House—if one crosses the line going 300 miles an hour, five minutes won’t be enough. Though the government won’t say so, multiple planes fly over the capital every year, and we don’t spot half of them until it’s over.

There’s a more than fair chance that Al Qaeda could turn the White House into the epicenter of a nuclear blast.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 28 Apr 2011 04:40

WTF is a "letter of comfort"?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 28 Apr 2011 04:43

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... lenews_wsj
Pakistan's Strategic Myopia

But Islamabad's decision to field tactical nuclear weapons is an irresponsible response to an as-yet unrealized limited conventional threat. Yes, it will make "Cold Start" a much more challenging proposition for India's military. Indeed, the doctrine might very well be dead on arrival—which is what Pakistan intends. Yet the unintended effect here is to make future violence on the subcontinent more likely. Islamabad will see little need to clamp down on terrorists operating from within its borders. India will then suffer from future attacks, leaving it anxious to retaliate one way or the other.New Delhi is not going to blithely accept a situation where its preferred military response to a terrorist attack is undermined. Since Islamabad seems intent on unleashing its nuclear weapons in response to even a limited Indian retaliatory offensive, India will have to prepare for the possibility of a nuclear exchange. One logical outcome will be for India to devote more generous resources to its future missile defense shield. Another will be for India to deploy its own tactical nuclear weapons. While the Indian Army's 150-kilometer-range Prithvi-I missile is not believed to have a nuclear role at present, it is nuclear-capable and could be tasked to that mission. Confident in its missile defenses, India will then be able to retaliate. But because tactical nuclear weapons, which are difficult to counter, will continue to negate the effectiveness of its ground forces—and thus the "Cold Start" option—India will likely need to rely on a wider air campaign aimed at bombing Pakistan into submission. Rather than a shallow incursion into its territory, Pakistan will be faced with air strikes against military targets (perhaps including infrastructure) throughout the country.
Such a campaign will be less effective than "Cold Start"—air campaigns tend to accomplish little on their own—and more escalatory. Assuming the Indian air force achieves air dominance, Pakistan's military response options will be limited. If the campaign does not quickly achieve the desired result, India, too, will be tempted to at least threaten the use of strategic weapons, confident that its own cities will be effectively defended from nuclear retaliation. In short, nuclear escalation, which India had hoped to avoid with "Cold Start," suddenly becomes more plausible.Pakistan has every right to defend itself from a perceived threat of Indian aggression. But in this case, the proper defense does not require the Pakistani military to field new weapons and aim them at India. Only by cleaning up its own house—by denying terrorist groups a safe haven from which to operate—can Pakistan hope to ensure that the Indian military never puts "Cold Start" into action.et Islamabad appears to suffer from strategic myopia and shows little interest in taking such action. Given Pakistan's generally aggressive nuclear doctrine (especially compared to India, which pledges "no first use" of its nukes) perhaps it is not surprising that it will instead rely on tactical nuclear weapons to defend against Indian aggression. Ironically, rather than enhancing deterrence, this decision makes a future, costlier conflict much more likely. Viewed alongside reports this year that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is sharply rising, the decision to field tactical weapons can only lead to intensified Indo-Pakistani nuclear competition. This has, for one, implications for Sino-Indian nuclear rivalry as well as for other potential nuclear-aspirant countries in the region.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 28 Apr 2011 05:16

sum wrote:
I do not see that it was Karzai Vs Unkil. there were only 4 to 5 high level people in the crazy meeting. TSP folks would not have leaked this as they thought by roping in china they were being very clever and karzai would be forced to do do something stupid.
well, am sure that Karzai's team will be teeming with Amriki moles..So, even they could have leaked this after finding out the minutes of the meeting.

Sounds like a scheme from the brain of shireen mazari or ayaz amir.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 28 Apr 2011 05:24

Imran Khan is twelfth man

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 28 Apr 2011 05:33

Pakis can very well play the "Strat-e-gy" card but one thing to be noted is that the Chinese have not matched the kind of Cash dole-outs that Unkil has done. CSF payment, Kerry-lugar bill, CIA headhunting money, free weapons, conference to forgive debt (and as per Pakistan's representative to IMF) pressure on IMF to pump in money into a lost cause.

The Chinese have been using their money to buy up stuff in Pakistan (Reko Diq mines etc) and Chinese money comes with far greater constraints. They are not like the US to let some occasional perfidy slip by. It should be noted that the whole TTP brouhaha was started due to Lal Masjid attack -- which was an operation undertaken due to Chinese pressure.

Let the Pakis piss of Unkil and run to the China camp. Let us see how useful it is being China's munna. Maybe they will become as prosperous as NoKo. This is probably one of the best news to come out of the region in a long time. This will free up India's policy options too. Indian leaders and mango men might be unwilling to deal with Unkil's munna, I dont see them having a problem with China's munna.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 Apr 2011 06:17

Nandu wrote:WTF is a "letter of comfort"?

Euphemism for L/C or Letter of Credit

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 Apr 2011 06:40

The actual moment when Groper gave Karzai that "advice":

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 Apr 2011 06:43

Good news! Electricity to be provided for 15 hours daily in K'rachi. Karachi loadshedding

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 Apr 2011 06:46

Coming soon to a circus near you. Bilawal to take up responsibility in Sept

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 28 Apr 2011 06:51

Lashkar-e-Taiba: Past Operations and Future Prospects

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 28 Apr 2011 07:21

Anujan wrote:Pakis can very well play the "Strat-e-gy" card but one thing to be noted is that the Chinese have not matched the kind of Cash dole-outs that Unkil has done.

If and when the US abandons Pukistan, there will be just China left as a bosom friend. And this will happen when the jihadi groups carries out another 9/11 type of attack in the US mainland. Saudis being very unstable by itself will just follow the US lead. So, how will Pak under Chinese over-lordship look like? Well there will be less malai for every one. There will be no whisky drinking generals like Mush making billions and retiring to the West to enjoy. I imagine it will be just like North Korea, a small group ruling with great paranoia. They will be held by a tight leash by the Chinese. And no ananda anywhere. Just my humble opinion.
Gautam

saip · Post by **saip** » 28 Apr 2011 07:23

I just noticed one thing. In Pakiland the pigs still drive on the left just like India. I am surprised that considering that they have this congenital hatred to everything Indian and they kiss US and Chinese butts all the time (they both drive on the right), they have not changed over to Right side. (The reason I checked is I am going to OZ/NZ land for vacation and wanted to see which side they drive (on the left side) )

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 Apr 2011 07:25

And, the begging continues...
This time by our favorite paki female minister, Hina!

Khar will not only seek Saudi investment in Pakistan but also ask the Saudi leadership for assistance for Pakistan's National Budget 2011-2012

And the usual platitudes that follow each news item like this one:

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia enjoy close relations that are based on common values of faith, traditions and interests. The people of Pakistan hold the Saudi leadership in high esteem. The Kingdom last year was among the first countries to provide relief to flood-affected areas. The presence of around 1.5 million Pakistani expatriates in Saudi Arabia is making a valuable contribution to the Kingdom's development and prosperity.

symontk · Post by **symontk** » 28 Apr 2011 08:12

Right hand driving is from British Raj. All countries under British commonwealth have driving right hand. In US and other countries its left had driving

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 28 Apr 2011 08:26

The rest of us, too, get yet another chance to mull over the true nature of ‘terrorism’. It is a technique of war and, therefore, an instrument of policy.

Asad Durani, DG ISI , 1990-92.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/157818/god-bless-wikileaks/

I think we should start a new thread called "quotable quotes from Pakistan" , we will try and include this dudes quote there.