Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2011

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 May 2011 09:15

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Ramin wrote:congratulations to US and Pakistan for the capture

Why use the world And janab, correct phrase is Credit goes to USA's Pakistan for the rupture.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 03 May 2011 10:07

The best thing that has happened is not the death of OBL but the expose of true Pakistan to the world. We, Indians have been trying to tell the world for a very long time and failed every time. We never gave up. Even recently with all the puppy chuppy MMS has been doing there were strong words from other sections of GoI(esp Chidu) demanding Pakistan to deliver on its promises.
Our efforts have been finally paid. Pakistan as a nation has been completely exposed stark naked. The news reporters of major American broadcasters who earlier used to say "alleged pakistan's support for muslim dominated separatist state in Hindu India" are now spilling venom against them.
I am not saying this means they will support India, if India and Pakistan come up in the same sentence. But this is an opportunity to change the previously held perceptions regarding Pakistan. I am glad "India" has not been mentioned even once in this whole thing. We better distance ourselves from this stench for a long time.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 03 May 2011 10:13

Dawn : US closes embassies in Paa'stan

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 May 2011 10:44

Altair wrote:The 50-50 over match has suddenly become a 20-20 match in Pakistan. There will be more fireworks and high risk shots.

Nobody understands the Duckworth-Lewis methodology when 50 overs are suddenly reduced to 20 overs.

Bhima · Post by **Bhima** » 03 May 2011 10:46

Altair wrote:The best thing that has happened is not the death of OBL but the expose of true Pakistan to the world.

In my opinion the best thing (or the worst) is that Pakistani authorities have lost any semblance of credibility in terms of intentions and/or capability. If they could not securely hide OBL in a country full of mullahs and jihadis then how can they claim security of their nuclear possessions?

asgkhan · Post by **asgkhan** » 03 May 2011 10:46

Watch the paki khusra A$$ Phuck Kiya nahi choking tears other than jizz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMDo-96jf44

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 May 2011 10:47

partha wrote:"Bin Laden moved into Abottabad only recently": Wajid Ul Hasan.

Wajid-ul-Hasan is trying to avoid becoming a wajib-ul-qital by being hilarious without even being aware of that. If indeed OBL moved in only recently, how did he know that fact and why was he keeping quiet about that without letting the Masters know about that ?

asgkhan · Post by **asgkhan** » 03 May 2011 10:49

That memorial looks like a inverted mons veneris..

Khusra starts off with BURUR.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 03 May 2011 10:54

SSridhar,Shiv and others, what do you think is brewing in the ISI cauldron now ? Here's my assumption : They will try to do damage control in 2 ways :

a) They may launch their own 'special operations' to kill Mullah Omar / Zawahari to show the world that they are actually on the same side as the US.

b) They'll hide the rest of taliban/AQ assets even deeper and plan a new attack on a western target. If US looks away from pakis, the money tap will dry up. Pakis need the jihadi bogey to keep the west interested in them.

Also, i dont think the bolts will come off Pak as some of us think. There could be a limited backlash. A few suicide bums on military targets and then the mango abdul will just go back to worrying about food,power and shelter scarcity. There needs to be a split and revolt among the elites for it to collapse.

arun · Post by **arun** » 03 May 2011 10:59

partha wrote:"Bin Laden moved into Abottabad only recently": Wajid Ul Hasan.

I am sure he hired the best real estate broker in the city to find this million dollar mansion.

The US is not buying what the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s High Commissioner to the UK Wajid Shamsul Hasan is peddling, namely that Osama Bin Laden moved recently to the Abbotabad compound.

US Senate Intelligence Committee Chair Dianne Feinstein has disclosed that “U.S. intelligence officials estimate that Osama bin Laden had been living in the $1 million Abbottabad compound where he was killed for up to six years” :

Bin Laden May Have Lived at Abbottabad Compound for Six Years

By Jay Newton-Small Tuesday, May 3, 2011 | 5 Comments

U.S. intelligence officials estimate that Osama bin Laden had been living in the $1 million Abbottabad compound where he was killed for up to six years, according to Senate Intelligence Committee Chair Dianne Feinstein. “That’s what we estimate at this stage,” Feinstein told TIME. Bin Laden “could have been there for five or six years.”

The California Democrat said this fact is troubling evidence that the Pakistani government may be engaging in “duplicitous behavior” in its relationship with the U.S. “It would be very difficult to live there for up to five or six years and no one know you’re there,” she said. “I would have a hard time believing that they did not know.” …………………..

Time

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 03 May 2011 11:02

Apologies if already posted. Worth reading in full.

Guardian : Osama bin Laden's death will haunt Pakistan

The extraordinary discovery that Osama bin Laden had been living, possibly since 2005, in a luxury compound in a popular summer resort a short drive from the national capital, Islamabad, is an enormous and dangerous embarrassment for Pakistan's government.

Officials from President Asif Ali Zardari downwards have consistently maintained that the al-Qaida chief was not sheltering on Pakistani soil, suggesting instead that the Americans look for him elsewhere, particularly in Afghanistan. The Pakistani stance was part of a wider policy of denial, dating back to the 9/11 attacks, premised on the argument that Pakistan was not the source and springboard for Islamist-inspired terrorism but rather its principal victim.

Islamabad's head-in-the-sand position, as it is seen by some analysts in the west, has led to intensifying friction with Washington in recent months, as the Obama administration struggles to bring an ordered end to its 10-year involvement in Afghanistan. There have been furious rows about unmanned cross-border drone attacks, the arrest in Lahore of a CIA contractor, and Pakistani criticism of US failure to open peace talks with the Taliban.

But all that is as nothing compared with what may now follow. Official denial-ism has also hampered Pakistan's efforts to deal forcefully with its own violent Islamists, the so-called Pakistani Taliban, with which al-Qaida is said to have links. Tens of thousands of people have died in Pakistan as a result of terrorist activity since 9/11, more than all the European and American victims combined.

Given this context, and amid predictions by western commentators of possible terrorist retaliation against US and British targets, it is Pakistanis, along with Afghans, who are most likely to pay a blood price in terms of revenge attacks for the slaying of a man who is seen by some in the Muslim world as an iconic figure.

Tellingly, the Pakistani government was not informed beforehand of the American special forces' raid. The truth is, US officials would simply not have trusted their counterparts in Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), Pakistan's powerful security and spy agency, with such sensitive information.

Extremely pointed questions are now certain to be asked about whether the ISI or its various branches and minions, knew of the existence of the highly unusual, heavily fortified, expensively built compound in Abbottabad, 35 miles north of Islamabad – and of its high-value, low-profile tenant. If they did, why did they not investigate? If they did not, was it because they didn't want to know?

The most damaging (and familiar) suspicion, which is certain to resurface in the coming days, is that elements within the ISI who have maintained links with terrorist groups such as the Haqqani network, did indeed know Bin Laden and his retinue were in Abbottabad, and by keeping silent, were effectively providing him with protection.

The Pakistani government will energetically deny any such suggestion. But given its tenuous control over the ISI, sometimes described as a state within a state, and given its record for candour to date, it will have a hard time being believed.

"When we saw the compound, we were shocked by what we saw: an extraordinarily unique compound," a senior US administration official said. The building, about eight times the size of other nearby houses, sat on a large plot of land that was relatively secluded when it was built in 2005. The villa had comprehensive security measures in place, the official said, including 12- to 18-foot outer walls topped with barbed wire and internal walls. Like some kind of medieval keep, two security gates restricted access. Only a few windows of the three-story building faced outwards, and its terrace had a seven-foot privacy wall, officials said.

Pakistan will now face possibly strong reactions not only from the Americans, but also from home-grown militants {Insha'llah}– plus possible spillover from Afghanistan, where fighting is in any case expected to intensify as the weather warms.

Renewed trouble could also extend to disputed Kashmir, where repression by Indian security forces of the Muslim population intensified last year and Pakistani Punjabi militant groups have a long history of involvement. Significantly, India was quick to point this out. The home ministry in New Delhi lost no time in saying the discovery of Bin Laden in Pakistan underscored its concern that "terrorists belonging to different organisations find sanctuary in Pakistan".

In Washington and New York as in London and Delhi, relief that the world's most wanted man has been killed will be tempered, and may yet be overtaken by deep anger that he was apparently living not in some freezing mountain cave, as many assumed, but freely, undisturbed and untroubled by the authorities, in comfort in a desirable Pakistani neighbourhood.

sum · Post by **sum** » 03 May 2011 11:08

^ Haqqani will be $hitting bricks now given that he is is under similar Z-category ISI secoority..

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 03 May 2011 11:09

US has stopped visa service in pakistan

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 May 2011 11:12

Ambar wrote:a) They may launch their own 'special operations' to kill Mullah Omar / Zawahari to show the world that they are actually on the same side as the US.

Ambar, I do not think the PA will kill Mullah Omar. He is a Ghilzai just like Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. The PA, for very valid concerns, does not like a Durrani ascend the throne (Hamid Karzai is a Durrani as was Pakistan's favourite mass murderer Ahmed Shah Abdali). The Durranis have ruled Afghanistan for 300 years until the lineage was broken when Daoud Khan was killed in 1979. The Durranis who are generally educated and elite have caused severe problem for Pakistan after 1947 on the issue of Greater Pakhtun. OTOH, the Ghilzai are not ruling-class material, are fundamentalist and the PA/ISI types thus hate Durranis and prefer the Ghilzai. The PA believes that the US is about to leave (probably their exit will be hastened after OBL's killing and more so if Zawahiri was also killed) and the Taliban will usurp power from Karzai after a namesake coalition is initially announced between the two. So,they would bet on the Ghilzais.

As I said, Dr. Ayman al Zawahiri is another case.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 03 May 2011 11:15

The funny thing in all this, a lot of people in unkilstan are extremely pissed off with TSP.

TSP is in a hard position as TTP and allies have dropped their ceasefire agreements and TSPA is now the target - only then unkil. LOL!

TSP is saying: "Yej Yej we wejje involved onlee". Embarrassing if they ssay no weren't involved they face world opinion, if they say yes they have to face TTP and AQ allies.

Good.

They are saying Zawahiri has no stature like OBL even within the organisation.

partha · Post by **partha** » 03 May 2011 11:15

krishnan wrote:US has stopped visa service in pakistan

There is always Canadian visa

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 03 May 2011 11:17

arun wrote: The US is not buying what the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s High Commissioner to the UK Wajid Shamsul Hasan is peddling, namely that Osama Bin Laden moved recently to the Abbotabad compound.

This is the same guy who said 26/11 was planned on a ship in international waters and claimed that the Paki players who did match fixing were in fact "set up" by the British.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 03 May 2011 11:22

SSridhar wrote:
Altair wrote:The 50-50 over match has suddenly become a 20-20 match in Pakistan. There will be more fireworks and high risk shots.
Nobody understands the Duckworth-Lewis methodology when 50 overs are suddenly reduced to 20 overs.

Even better. Just headless shots. I am counting on this week jhumma. It is gonna rock!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 03 May 2011 11:38

Rachel Maddow video tearing a new one for the Pakis

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#42869391

partha · Post by **partha** » 03 May 2011 11:51

Anujan wrote:Rachel Maddow video tearing a new one for the Pakis

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#42869391

Oh Rachel, you were so wrong here. Next time you choose to outrage about something, give it a thought.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 03 May 2011 11:52

H khan is pissing in his pants..His beloved PAF,PA,ISI got caught with their pants down by unkil...Pakis worst nightmare
started little over 24hrs ago...

partha · Post by **partha** » 03 May 2011 11:59

Has Rachel Maddow screamed "bloody murder" as promised in the video? Now that Pakistan has been caught with its pants down, Paki apologists in US will have a tough time.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 03 May 2011 11:59

The US has since the Clinton years been open to reconciliation with the Taliban if they broke with the foreign jihadis, but that has always been a sticking point.

There has always been a powerful political Pan-Islamist strand within Deobandi ideology. They wanted to support the defence of Ottoman Empire a century back, even before its defeat in WWI.

The Pakistanis will not give up Omar and the Taliban, and the Taliban and Omar will not give up the foreigners.

So no quick exit strategy for America

amdavadi - who is H Khan?

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 03 May 2011 12:02

johann ji...

check out deaf & dumb fora...He is well know memeber of very tiny corner of the web

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 03 May 2011 12:06

Some Abdul has filed a petition in Lahore High Court to determine "who tipped off the Americans" about OBL

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 03 May 2011 12:11

Methinks Rachel Maddow is the most honest representation of public mood in Khanate at this point, Ombaba will have to continue the offensive drive because the window of opportunity to execute al-zawahiri and Mullah Omar is very less based on accurate evidence obtained from OBL's compound.

It is the same reason why the id's of the Navy Seals will never be revealed, simply because their larger purpose is not finished yet. Expect more covert operations is what I feel. Also the reason why OBL's corpse was disposed off in a hurry, because they needed to get back to work on all the dvd's, plans, documents and other evidence which would be quickly getting irrelevant if not acted upon!

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 03 May 2011 12:54

Atri wrote:
Ramin wrote:congratulations to US and Pakistan for the capture
Why thank TSP, Ramin ji?

for serving as condom-state for USA? or for harbouring OBL for so many years.. TSP is thankless entity and burden on earth.. Of everybody, Bangladeshi brothers should know this clearly and without any doubts. TSP was harbouring OBL just like it is harbouring most of the high profile jihadi terrorists knowingly. Nothing they have done for betterment of humanity to thank them..

In some cultures it is considered good practice to thank the prostitute for un-restricted access.

And Atri-ji, you are only concentrating on the "Thanking" part, you missed the "capture" part, captured dead or alive only Raminji and ZZHji know.

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 03 May 2011 13:02

Apparently in order to preserve H&D, the paki deaf&dumb forum has been downed since OBL was halaled.

The admins kept on insiting that bin-lalten was killed by paki and US joint forces and kept banning scores of Indian members who argued that it was a unilateral US offensive.

And finally as reports poured in that pakis didnt ever knew what was crawling in their chaddis, the phorum is off since then.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 03 May 2011 13:20

Anujan wrote:Some Abdul has filed a petition in Lahore High Court to determine "who tipped off the Americans" about OBL

If it was a Shia what then?
They have every motivation and resource to do so. My suggestion to all pakis: Do what you do best! Kill all Shias!

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 03 May 2011 13:56

pak lurks read this carefully. pasha & kiyanahi both are shias....

chiragAS · Post by **chiragAS** » 03 May 2011 14:01

some BS write up by Hamid mir in TOI's ET page.
Link

chiragAS · Post by **chiragAS** » 03 May 2011 14:30

Singha wrote:I feel sure a quartet of F-15Es were orbiting afghan airspace, locked and loaded with 8 amraams, 2 aim9x each and prepared to "go in" if PAF came up and gave chase

only to take out bandars.
the remaining jewels of air farce must have been grounded for some unknown reasons

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 03 May 2011 14:44

This OBL episode has been a good PR for PA and ISI among the jihadist groups. This passes the message that ISI failed but tried their best to keep no. 1 enemy of america safe. If OBL can hide safely in pak for 10 years then that boost hope for all sundry jihadists to settle in pak, if not already. Also their respect for ISI is now high as the commitment shown and this risk taken by ISI for jihad was enormous, as good as putting its own contry on line for Jihad.

So, I do not expect any AQ backlash against ISI/PA. In fact the bonding is now better not bitter. Today both are mourning together, cuddling.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 03 May 2011 14:47

News of financial aid being stopped starting to trickle in.
TSP complicity/duplicity/stupidity all nakedity now.

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 03 May 2011 14:49

>>News of financial aid being stopped starting to trickle in.

Where? Where??

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 03 May 2011 14:52

abhischekcc wrote:>>News of financial aid being stopped starting to trickle in.

Where? Where??

Bin Laden Death Prompts Review of Pakistan Aid, Afghan Mission

Democratic Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, an architect of a 2009 bill that tripled non-military aid to Pakistan, committing $1.5 billion annually for five years, called a new round of hearings to “assess the strategic relationship” between the two countries and to examine how to arrive at an “acceptable end-state” in Afghanistan.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 03 May 2011 14:53

abhischekcc wrote:>>News of financial aid being stopped starting to trickle in.
Where? Where??

TOI.
Google news

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 03 May 2011 14:57

Aid to Pakistan may be in jeopardy, says NYT

sum · Post by **sum** » 03 May 2011 15:06

This OBL episode has been a good PR for PA and ISI among the jihadist groups. This passes the message that ISI failed but tried their best to keep no. 1 enemy of america safe. If OBL can hide safely in pak for 10 years then that boost hope for all sundry jihadists to settle in pak, if not already. Also their respect for ISI is now high as the commitment shown and this risk taken by ISI for jihad was enormous, as good as putting its own contry on line for Jihad.

Might be good PR but what about the panic in these groups who never know when their turn might come next, despite all the super-duper ISI efforts?

India centric groups like JeM, Al-Badr etc might be very happy with ISI since they know a US style Indian counter will never happen. But what about Haqqani, few parts of LeT etc whom Unkil has in its crosshairs from some time?

News of financial aid being stopped starting to trickle in.
TSP complicity/duplicity/stupidity all nakedity now.

Refuse to believe this will happen. All just dramabaazi to make Pakis GUBO more now that Unkil has one hand firmly on the Paki testimonials...

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 03 May 2011 15:15

sum wrote:Might be good PR but what about the panic in these groups who never know when their turn might come next, despite all the super-duper ISI efforts?

Still its not ISI's fault. Terrorist==ISI==PA. The wrong picture that west is painting that some rogue elements in ISI supporting militants, is actually other way round. From the ISI perspective some rogue elements within are tipping off unkil. So now their efforts would be to make the organization more pure by eliminating these rogue elements.