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Regardless of the floundering economy, the shopping list of its powerful military grows and grows.
Although a long-time ally of the US, Pakistan increasingly views China as a supplier of choice
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Western diplomats in Islamabad say China is quietly consolidating its partnership with Pakistan, but on commercial terms rather than unconditional assistance. “In the past decade, the Chinese have shown a growing interest in the region. The Chinese have worked quietly with Pakistan to gradually build up their presence,” says one western ambassador in Islamabad.
Some regard the Chinese engagement as a test-bed for Chinese military exports and not, as yet, a threat to neighbouring countries, such as India. They say China’s support for Pakistan may delay what threatens to become an inner crumbling of the country’s institutions and economy.
Pakistan's defense minister said China has agreed to take over operation of the strategically positioned but underused port of Gwadar, and that Islamabad would like the Chinese to build a base there for the Pakistani navy
Maybe these idiots that have attacked the puki navy buses, and now the navy base have mistaken the puki navy with the U.S. Navy SEALs that have sent OBL to meet his 72 houris.
why Indian news channels are not reporting it ? Really two P-3Cs destroyed ?? ,we should hire them to take out Dawood and company ,if they can strike air base they can take him down
Rahul M wrote:how many do they have left ? 1 or 2 ?
Didnt they just get or were in the process of getting more P3s I believe these were the C models that they were getting with the 8 OHP class frigates...?
On another note the abduls couldnt have picked a better target given how imp the P3s are to the PN aviation arm.
Rahul M wrote:how many do they have left ? 1 or 2 ?
Didnt they just get or were in the process of getting more P3s I believe these were the C models that they were getting with the 8 OHP class frigates...?
On another note the abduls couldnt have picked a better target given how imp the P3s are to the PN aviation arm.
Pakistani Media is repeatedly quoting that there were few Chinese engineers inside the base when the attack happened, Unbelievable that it is that easy for Chinese to access Western hardware in P-3 C 's, Augusta's may be ..... Damn
the chinese may be there for the F22 FFG training. the PN operates no other chinese platforms or weapons yet to my limited knowledge. KLJ balance beam aew which might be for PN solely has not yet been delivered yet imo.
At least one media report said a team of American technicians were working on the aircraft at the time of the strike, but US Embassy spokesman Alberto Rodriguez said no Americans were on the base. The Dawn quoting sources has reported that the militants also took some Chinese personnel hostage in a building inside the base.
The squadrons of the Naval Air Arm are stationed in PNS Mehran. These are the P3C Orion Squadron (28 Sqn), the Atlantic Squadron (29 Sqn), the Fokker Squadron (27 Sqn), the Seaking Squadron (111 Sqn) and the Alouette Squadron (333 Sqn).
Rahul M wrote:how many do they have left ? 1 or 2 ?
Didnt they just get or were in the process of getting more P3s I believe these were the C models that they were getting with the 8 OHP class frigates...?
On another note the abduls couldnt have picked a better target given how imp the P3s are to the PN aviation arm./quote]
Pakistani Media is repeatedly quoting that there were few Chinese engineers inside the base when the attack happened, Unbelievable that it is that easy for Chinese to access Western hardware in P-3 C 's, Augusta's may be ..... Damn
Is there any chance PN has been caught with its pants down when Chinese are inpsecting American P-3C's, would be even more intresting with if the Blackhawk tail is there with them.
I think taliban has a taken a leaf out of the LTTE's book - link
Guys, this is not entirely happy news. This might be just the start of the fall. If the country sinks into further chaos and there is no one authority who can guarantee the safety of their nukes, what would be the action plan?
Now that the pakistani forces (army/navy) are clearly compromised, why isnt an international force (Nato or UN) taking over? IMHO, whatever happens to Pak, our interests/safety would be taking a big dent.
Kailash wrote:Guys, this is not entirely happy news. This might be just the start of the fall. If the country sinks into further chaos and there is no one authority who can guarantee the safety of their nukes, what would be the action plan?
In fact this is desirable to an extent IMHO. This will lay ground for International troops to enter and secure their nukes. The US must be already drawing up plans for it...just in case. The Osama double tap seems to have opened a can of worms. Now Pakistan, more than ever before, is being forced to choose sides. Earlier in WOT, they used to lose troops which they considered expendable and replaceable. Now they're losing precious equipment like Orions which is cutting their India centric strategis from the knees.
Maybe the fire spread to these after the picture was taken, let us pray for it. I was seeing some videos no one making an attempt to move the planes? Wonder why?
nEXT AFZAL will not target the common man by sparying bullets via Ak-47s...now the pukes know ..the hard way though ...how and what to target in india ...
the taller fairer comerades may have modified the P3's to carry the babur and the babur may have had a nuke warhead option, other than that, the P3 as a nuke platform doesn't make much sense
Austin wrote:What are the chances US would just replace them as lost due to terrorist strike
Very Good question Austin Saar ..... and infact as face saver for US and to ease out tensions after Abottabad strike, what better opportunity for american to show there support to there major ally in war against terror
cheenum wrote:Maybe the fire spread to these after the picture was taken, let us pray for it. I was seeing some videos no one making an attempt to move the planes? Wonder why?
parshuram wrote:Very Good question Austin Saar ..... and infact as face saver for US and to ease out tensions after Abottabad strike, what better opportunity for american to show there support to there major ally in war against terror
Well they have many in reserves and bone yard , they will just gift it to them as a mark of friendship for GWOT and chumma chumma bhai bhai to make for Abottabad.
Then navy commandos entered on early Monday morning, but they took at least 12 casualties. Later, the Special Services Group of the army was deployed and it has also received some casualties.
Lots of SSG-N and SSG folks have met their 72. Many might be from PNS Iqbal..
More than 10 heavily armed militants attacked the base from three sides, blowing up several sensitive aircraft including a United States-manufactured surveillance plane.
Planes other than the P-3(s) have also taken hits...
"It was shown several months ago that the Pakistan navy is vulnerable to Islamists when a marine commando unit official was arrested," the security official said. "He was a member of the Mehsud tribe from South Waziristan [tribal area] and was completely indoctrinated by militants. Naval Intelligence never shared the information with the ISI [Inter-Services Intelligence] or any other security agency that during interrogation he confessed that militants planned to attack installations during the visit of a foreign delegation. Now, they [intelligence] realize how the organization [navy] is riddled and vulnerable to the influence of militant organizations," the official said.
SSG is useless in the fight against the purer since they themselves are aiming to be such way...
Sir, remember in 2009 when US had accused pak of modding the harpoon missile to carry (chini) tactical nuclear warheads? the P3 can fire harpoon and so can the Mirage-III, as well as the french subs maybe.
