+1.Surya wrote:jaladipc
we do not need anything till its public knowledge
Please wait till it comes in the public domain.
Do not disclose anything that the govt has a reason to keep secret.
+1.Surya wrote:jaladipc
we do not need anything till its public knowledge
I absolutely wub you (for who don't know, I had coined the word "wub" for "web love." Folks who know me from BruteGorilla days will remember it.)Raghavendra wrote:after getting required permission colloborate with joseph and write an article for frontier india site and link it here, make it an web exclusive. Birathers get latest news on maal, FI gets traffic WIN WIN situationjaladipc wrote:To fellow Jingos,
Got some new insights into the Indian Cruise missile developments.Both surface/sub launched and air launched.there is no point in blaming MOD for not being pro-active. Infact these new developments will shiver the dothis of chipandas.
Excellent info on laaaangggggggg( means really long) range surface launched aka mobile based CM for both conventional and nuclear attack profiles. will be able to spew the details once my chaiwallah stamps it.Pretty much will make every jingo on BR make party for the whole year.
Any takers on which aircrafts will these be fitted upon?May 26/11: Textron Systems Corp. in Wilmington, MA receives a $9.9 million contract modification for the Sensor Fuzed Weapon India Foreign Military Sales case integration phase. It’s an 8-month effort, but without it, there isn’t much point to buying a bomb that can’t work with your planes. The AAC/EBJI at Eglin Air Force Base, FL manages the contract, on behalf of their Foreign Military Sale client (FA8682-11-C-0044, PO 0001).
Failures are published 10 times on avg more than the success. This was done with other programs giving false image.shiv wrote:
As an offshoot of this - Indians are so open that they end up publicizing failures, success, events and non events. Other Indians who read about Indian failures and
True. Even when there is a success - there is mention of all previous related and unrelated failures. On BRF I have often tried to classify and explain this. I have theorized that it may be a cultural tendency to take good with bad, bitter with sweet. Or I thought maybe its saytameva jayate gone apeshit. Or else I have wondered it is the mindset of the colonised in which any praise is instantly met with reminders of shortcomings and failures. Or just low self esteem.Acharya wrote: Failures are published 10 times on avg more than the success. This was done with other programs giving false image.
Indians end up having low image of their capabilities
Not only that but it also give the layman an image that the Indian/DRDO products are dude and the foren maal works best.Acharya wrote:Failures are published 10 times on avg more than the success. This was done with other programs giving false image.shiv wrote:
As an offshoot of this - Indians are so open that they end up publicizing failures, success, events and non events. Other Indians who read about Indian failures and
Indians end up having low image of their capabilities
Plain and simple low self-esteem issue here primarily methinks, no piskology needed. Low self-esteem of a colonised mind along with past experience when most things were GoI manufactured/created or license quota raj private company created where there was no incentive to produce anything but crap.shiv wrote:True. Even when there is a success - there is mention of all previous related and unrelated failures. On BRF I have often tried to classify and explain this. I have theorized that it may be a cultural tendency to take good with bad, bitter with sweet. Or I thought maybe its saytameva jayate gone apeshit. Or else I have wondered it is the mindset of the colonised in which any praise is instantly met with reminders of shortcomings and failures. Or just low self esteem.Acharya wrote: Failures are published 10 times on avg more than the success. This was done with other programs giving false image.
Indians end up having low image of their capabilities
I don't know - maybe its a combination of all of the above and more. But it has its negative consequences - as ramana said - among external observers who have no incentive to see it differently and only add to the destruction of self esteem.
Long ago I mentioned an observation I made in the UK. For many Brits foreign scent smells like crap, while British crap smells good. The same pride in "anything that is ours" is shown by even Pakis and Chinese. But not Indians.
I guess this answers my question.nikhil_p wrote:My regular paanwalla spoke to the chai tapri vala who was somewhere near the Astra raakit launch.
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Overall, it was a test of different aspects of raakit motor, control laws and weight management. It was a success on all assigned test points. Of course the mijjile followed expected ballistic trajectory. In the 'failed' test it was actually launched at a higher angle which meant that that particular mijjile fell within the trajectory of the other two.
jaladipc biradher,jaladipc wrote:To fellow Jingos,
Got some new insights into the Indian Cruise missile developments.Both surface/sub launched and air launched.there is no point in blaming MOD for not being pro-active. Infact these new developments will shiver the dothis of chipandas.
Excellent info on laaaangggggggg( means really long) range surface launched aka mobile based CM for both conventional and nuclear attack profiles. will be able to spew the details once my chaiwallah stamps it.Pretty much will make every jingo on BR make party for the whole year.
This the first I am hearing of an A6Presently, he is leading three major system
developments; A2P, a technologically challenging
state-of-the-art system; a 5000 km canister-launched
A5 system; and a 6000 km A6 system with multiple
warheads (MIRV) capable launching of both from
the ground and underwater.
I am still waiting for my permissions. Will not post details until they loose the strings. But the above is just a headsup without going into details.Rakesh wrote:Gagan: NO. Ignorance is bliss. If the GOI wants to publicize it...then that is their prerogative.
jaladipc: Please don't post stuff like this. It is not needed.
no it dint slip under BR's radar!!was posted couple of pages back.tejas wrote:How did this slip under the radar? from http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/nl/2011/NLMay2011.pdf Talking about Avinash Chander:
This the first I am hearing of an A6Presently, he is leading three major system
developments; A2P, a technologically challenging
state-of-the-art system; a 5000 km canister-launched
A5 system; and a 6000 km A6 system with multiple
warheads (MIRV) capable launching of both from
the ground and underwater.
In a significant break from pitching ready, operational products in Indian weapon tenders, French missile firm MBDA has pitched the in-development Indo-French joint short-range surface to air missile (SR-SAM) or Maitri in at least one Indian competition -- the Indian Army's early 2010 tender for a QR-SAM [PDF]. In the December 2010 edition of the company's in-house journal, MBDA says that it has "decided to respond to the QRSAM Quick Reaction Surface-to-Air Missile (QRSAM) competition with the SRSAM, thus offering the Indians enhanced synergies."
The Indian Army has also expressed its interest [PDF] in acquiring a short-range surface to air missile.
The SR-SAM Maitri is being developed for all three Indian armed services and export, and could see a first test-firing in 2012. On the status of the SR-SAM, the same Dec 2010 issue quotes MBDA's export development director Michel Pétré as saying, “Today this project, which mobilises a vast set of competences, has reached a very advanced stage, and discussions are continuing with persistence, passion and patience.” (Which is actually a seriously polite way of saying, "Dude, we've been at it for four years, get the friggin agreement done already...").
Thanks Nikhil, When DDM mentioned Ballistic, i was wondering how is ballistic and AAM related. DDM didn't expect the mijjile to come down at all, they probably should have self destruct it at an altitude and announced that it hit a target and destroyed it into 10 million pieces.nikhil_p wrote:My regular paanwalla spoke to the chai tapri vala who was somewhere near the Astra raakit launch.
He said and I quote him " Bloody meedia waala dont understand what happens in the test. They were expecting the mijjile to Phly away, because it was hair to hair raakit. When they saw it coming down they said it failed. What they were expecting, geostationary horbit?" (Ok, exact quote but with BR lingo added )
In case you are wondering chaiwala is very well educated!
Overall, it was a test of different aspects of raakit motor, control laws and weight management. It was a success on all assigned test points. Of course the mijjile followed expected ballistic trajectory. In the 'failed' test it was actually launched at a higher angle which meant that that particular mijjile fell within the trajectory of the other two.
Are you sure? I thought the deal was kosher and deliveries are happening!!! can you confirm? I too am checking my Paanwala.Singha wrote:the IAF deal for $415 mil to acquire 18 systems is in cold storage pending some investigation by the CVC one hears.
I just Checked SIPRI database, The Spyder deal as well as the Derby missiles for Spyder are listed under 2008.Singha wrote:the IAF deal for $415 mil to acquire 18 systems is in cold storage pending some investigation by the CVC one hears.
CJ, updates from you are welcome any daychackojoseph wrote:Hope people will wub me for information on Helina on Sunday.
CJ, it is already Monday evening in Khan land, did you mean next Sunday 5th June.. darn... Jingos would be left high & dry for a week with anticipationchackojoseph wrote:Hope people will wub me for information on Helina on Sunday.
It would nice if army went for AAA-SAM platform like Pantsir which can also augment and replace Tunguska's in service. Plus 30 mm guns can also be used for suppression fire in ground attack.Singha wrote:imo very poor loadout of just 4 missiles per truck. 8 would have helped. sadly VL mica also does not better than 4
http://www.deagel.com/library1/medium/m ... 500090.jpg
the comparable size SA15 Tor system uses VL tubes for 8 rounds I think.
the IAF deal for $415 mil to acquire 18 systems is in cold storage pending some investigation by the CVC one hears.
5th June. It's being given shape. I don't want to make spelling mistakes againcheenum wrote:CJ, it is already Monday evening in Khan land, did you mean next Sunday 5th June.. darn... Jingos would be left high & dry for a week with anticipationchackojoseph wrote:Hope people will wub me for information on Helina on Sunday.
Its like Brahmos JV where each side foots the bill for their stuff and retains their respective IP for it , Israel brought in MF-STAR and Seeker , we got the propulsion and other things in there and then we lic produce those.cheenum wrote:In LR-SAM (based on DRDO's slide reported by Shiv) if Israeli contribution is only the Seeker (India had already bought the MF-STAR) radar to be fitted on its frontline ships like P15A destroyers
Possible you might want to put that in the armoured threadWhat next, a JV to jointly develop MBTs?