Telangana Monitor

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 24 Jun 2011 12:22

Azad’s comments gave the Telangana Rashtra Samiti (TRS) fresh ammunition. Its leader Etela Rajender said a new action plan would be announced Tuesday at a meeting of the Telangana Joint Action Committee (TJAC).

“By saying that division of the state is not easy, the Congress has once again made its stand known that it is against Telangana,” he observed and asked: “If Telangana is not easy, why did the Congress forge an electoral alliance with us in 2004? Why did they make the Dec 9, 2009 announcement?”.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/reality-chec ... 0-114.html

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 24 Jun 2011 18:08

2004 is 8 years ago and then 2009 elections also happened where they won 16 seats out of 45 all in telangana.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Jun 2011 21:23

Any BRF members going to TANA 2011 in Santa Clara July 4th weekend?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Jun 2011 21:25

Will Telengana be discussed in TANA. One of my friend is a corp sponsor. He is not even from Andhra.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Jun 2011 21:29

Will let you know!

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 25 Jun 2011 09:25

ramana wrote:Some ideas are not for discussion. Especially with secession openly advocated.

Dont do that again if you want to continue on forum.

Ramana Sir - Your post intended for me? I have not done anything like that.

CWC meeting yesterday decided to take hardline with Anna and Telangana is not even discussed. So draging agenda is in full implimentaion. By the way can any tell what does repeat of 1969 means? From what I hear there was attacks on Non Telangana Telugu people at that time and many were kicked out of Telangana areas. It is what KCR hinting at?

Everywhere small gangs of TRS goondas are attacking non TRS leanders. I wonder where such actions are going to end.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Jun 2011 10:13

NRgaru, It wasn't for you.

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 25 Jun 2011 17:46

BSP would support separate Telangana in Parliament: Mayawati
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyd ... 134556.ece

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 26 Jun 2011 12:32

BSP do not have a single MLA seat in AP assembly. What difforence does it make to the discussion? The so called JAC ( which is really KCR and Naxal gangs) gave a dead line for Congress and TDP people upto 25th to resign and Congress leaders have give 1st July deadline to their leaders. With Sonia mafia busy with Anna and all that there seems to be no time for AP state. July 15 Ministry expansion is likely to have a major share for AP. They have to remove some of the useless people from other states. Come 2014 they may not have a face in AP with 4 cabinet ministries to Karnataka leaders and one to AP. Something needs to be dones and done quickly to put lot of hard power in AP Congress and making some Cabinet ministers is the easy way. It will also show (only show) to AP people that Congress respects their supports. As of now almost every one feels that they are being taken for granted by Sonia gang.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 02 Jul 2011 13:06

T areas and MP's and MLA ( some of them of course) are theatening to resign to their seats on 4th July 2011

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Jul 2011 20:34

To celebrate American independence?

Why that date and not any other?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 Jul 2011 01:11

I visited Basara (famous Saraswati temple near Nizamabad) this month. A couple of experiences.

1. Our driver was an IM who enjoyed our company thoroughly. When I told the kids to do pranaam to mother Godavari as she gives us the food in AP, the driver joined all of us. He requested to join us to visit the temple and I got him a ticket along with us. He took a darshan of mother Saraswathi and also bought pens/books for his children and presented them for mothers blessings (a common practice there). I am confident that one way to wing Minority masses is by promoting our age-old culture and cultural icons (religion agnostic).

2. I also got an opportunity to contribute to an upcoming ashram in the lines of my ideas presented a long ago in (deleted) civilizational thread (note to Bji and Martenji). There I met few telangana locals who are happened to be ZPTC(?) and panchayat members. We were talking about local land prices and they mentioned that the prices went up from 50k to 3-4 Laius in last 3-4 years and majority of new land owners are from andhra side. I told them the andhra brothers are paying them with interest (exponentially increasing land prices) for all the godawari water they used so far

I also told them that the increasing andhra presence would also get new (lift-irrigation) projects as the new andhras would do it for themselves if not for Telangana. These gentlemen were humble enough to accept that the andhras are very good at farming and they too are learning a lot improving their profits.

Just thought of sharing...

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 Jul 2011 07:25

Watching a live debate on NTv regarding T-INC resignations. Congress MP sukhenderreddy answers a caller " there is no relationship between T-State demand and the backwardness or lack of development in Telangana"

The cat is out of the bag for some time. Is T-Public aware of the true nature of their leadership?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Jul 2011 11:46

Went to TANA 2011 in Santa Clara. Quite interesting mix of politicians from AP. Was there at the political forum. Was astounded at number of women with children who skipped the cultural show. Very keen questions on farmer price controls removal, corruption, voting rights for NRIs. A big consensus was to impeach PC for the T statement and subsequent downturn in AP political and economical life.
And anger at neglect of PVNRao. The INC guys were bashed left and right for the neglect.
Some change is there in the air.

pradeepe · Post by **pradeepe** » 04 Jul 2011 12:56

37 and 28 MLAs from Congress and TDP respectively have resigned about an hour ago. 5 more TDP MLAs from Telangana region could not submit their resignations 'cos they were at TANA

. Ah..the irony.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Jul 2011 20:14

I still think this resignations drama is in line with the INC strategy of keeping the Telangana indecisive. "We are not opposed to Telangana state" but "we have to wait" will be the standard and it is continuing from 2004 and with more vigour from 2009.

A lot of leaders like Chief Minister and others pressed for a solution in one way or other. However, Sonia wanted no solution until the next elections are over. Keeping the Telangana indecisive is extremely advantageous to congress party and that calculations are enough for Sonia to ask its own folks to resign. The followup is that all news channels will say Telangana is burning again. Then PC types can say it is difficult to take a decision and the saga continues.

The internal surveys are very clear - Even in T inspite of all the hangama, SCs+STs+Muslims are solidly behind Congress party. If by being indecisive the rest is divided between others, it can still win substantially. However, on the advantage side it will not give any issue to Jagan and TDP to romp home on the otherside.

This BS is not going to end. It will only end when Telugu people as Telugus end it. Otherwise just have to enjoy these dramas and also divisiveness.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 04 Jul 2011 21:37

After resignations, this is what Chidu says:

"When you refer to my statement on December 9, 2009, you should kindly also refer to the December 23, 2009 statement," he said in reply to a specific question.
http://www.dailypioneer.com/350586/Cent ... ew-PC.html

But this time they achieved one thing. They made TDP resign also leaving TRS and Congress to poach on TDP seats.

If they stick to the resignations then state government, which has become joke anyway, goes to President rule but no threat to Center.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 04 Jul 2011 21:55

IN fact, AP speaker should accept only TDP MLA resignations and ask EC to set new polls in those constituencies....LOL

Jai bolo telengana!

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 04 Jul 2011 21:55

ramana wrote:And anger at neglect of PVNRao. The INC guys were bashed left and right for the neglect.

this is very good sign. AP should be proud that it has sent a PM, at a crucial time like the early 90's, who did so much for Bharat.

also, there was some kind of an inauguration of NATS (North American Telugu Society) in New Jersey this weekend. Chinnajeeyar Swamy was here, and he went to the inauguration.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 Jul 2011 22:32

One interesting development in this is the "greater-hyderabad" call by Danam Nagender and Mukhesh Goud. Is the solution trifurcation of telangana?

That would be the best solution for telangana as it would bring at least 20-30000 crore investment to Warangal (the new capital) while leaving the 2nd capital of india in Hyderabad.

I would personally invest in such warangal-restoration project.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Jul 2011 00:22

Couple of related comments.

Some of the politicians admitted that politics has become business and business has become politics.
The other observation is the INC social contract with people of Andhra Pradesh is unraveling.
The social contract was people vote INC to power and INC will ake care of them. As above comment reflects the INC is taking care of business at cost of the people and no implementing the social contract.

So we can see the anger in the questioners even 10K miles away. One panelist was saying why you all worry about small things in AP? And the answer shouted was we are from small places in AP unlike you.

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Earlier there was Encounter with Ravi Prakash of TV9 fame. The guy got literally attacked when he made disparaging remarks about late Sathya Sai Baba. Initially people were stunned when he persisted in making his allegations. Then one elder lady got up and questioned him and then it was free for all.

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Devesh, NATS is a split from TANA.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 05 Jul 2011 00:55

If telangana is formed at this time, KCR will become too powerful. INC will never let that happen. I think, INC will let the situation deteriorate more and declare Presidents rule. That will give INC enough time to take care of Jagan and KCR before the next elections. Goal will be marginalize both of them to an extent they will accept a minor role in APCC. IT dept is a fav. tool of INC to go after its enemies.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Jul 2011 09:34

I am surprised with the casual approch of Delhi to all this. They are not even showing lip service to Telangana leaders. May be they are really angry with T Congress leaders jumping to the tune of KCR. With INC getting hits on all kind of issues from each and every side they hardly have time to think about this issue. Yet the T Leaders are pressing hard and this seems to be no appreciated by the Sonia Gang. Further Governaer seems to have sent a report that only 45 MLA segments are really effected with this agitations and if the state is divided congress with lose in some 170 MLA segments. This may also be factor.

Interesting to observe MIM keeping quite. With congress going all out for Muslim votes in 2014, the fear in Muslims that BJP will eamrge as a strong force in T areas may be used ruthlessly by congress in any fresh elections.

Hyderabad MLA's and ministers are now showning their colors with demands like greater Hyderabad and refusing to resign. Even Kishan Reddy ( BJP AP President) from Hyderabad is not ready to resign. Clearly afraid that he will not win again.

Speaker is in US and may return on 8th and till that date no decision. TRS gangs are demending that the Congress and TDP leaders should get their resignations accepted. Efforts seems to be ensure TRS emarge as the most powerful party with scope to rule anu future T state. INC will never allows it.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Jul 2011 20:44

Can a rump assy be in session minus the 72 resigned members?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Jul 2011 20:58

The interesting point is OU JAC is threatening and attacking anyone who did not resign in Telangana, except MIM leaders. No single party (TRS/INC-T/TDP-T) or TJAC are talking about MIM.

That is the strength of MIM. Kudos to them.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Jul 2011 22:54

There was drama/play in TANA on Rajaraja Narendra revisting modern Andhra Pradesh to seek the progress in Telugu language. One of the actors laments that "People in Andhra Desa are the only modern people whose language and region have different names!" He goes on to say Marathi is spoken in Maharastra and Punjabi in Punjab etc... And discourses on how English evleoved and took over many lands: Amrika, Australia and is taking over India after colonial rule is over.

Some refs on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telugu_language

script:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telugu_script

one reamrk made early which I didnt get being far away from the stage was,

how Nannayaa took ~34 alphabets from desha and added 19 from Sanskrit and created a new one "ksha" in order to provide a means of pronouncing the sounds(phoenemes) more accurately using the alpahbets(graphemes).

He started the project of writing the Mahabharata in Telugu and it was finished later....

http://www.engr.mun.ca/~adluri/telugu/

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 05 Jul 2011 23:40

Ramana garu,

"Telangana" literally means the "area" or "compound" of Telugus. the name was created to separate the Telugu speaking portions of the Nizam State from the Marathi, and Kannada portions.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Jul 2011 23:49

devesh wrote:Ramana garu,

"Telangana" literally means the "area" or "compound" of Telugus. the name was created to separate the Telugu speaking portions of the Nizam State from the Marathi, and Kannada portions.

it was named Telang Khana by the Sultanate administrators. During the Nizam's succession squabbles, the Andhra region (circars) was given to the East India company. Most of those lands were acquired after Vijayanagara faded away.

The big mistake was not naming the AP state as Telugu nadu or Telangana to reflect the Kakatiya dominions.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 06 Jul 2011 00:10

devesh wrote:Ramana garu,

"Telangana" literally means the "area" or "compound" of Telugus. the name was created to separate the Telugu speaking portions of the Nizam State from the Marathi, and Kannada portions.

Devesh,

Refer previous posts on this thread for etymology of the word

Telangana = Telang(u) + Khana
(Khana is Indo-Iranian/Persian word for house or area as Deccani Sultans/Nizams promoted Persian)
Examples of other uses are BalaKhana (Balcony), Gymkhana Maidan

Telangu as such refers Telugu or in area-wise to whole telugu speaking area. People south of Chittoor refer Telugu area as Telangunadu while their area in-turn was referred as Aravanadu (current day northern Tamil Nadu)

Raja Raja Narendra would regardless cry because his core area (From Vemulawada (in current day Karimnagar) to Rajamahendra Varam (Rajamundry)) is politicized to be split for reasons non-existent in his times.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 06 Jul 2011 01:00

ramana wrote:
devesh wrote:Ramana garu,

"Telangana" literally means the "area" or "compound" of Telugus. the name was created to separate the Telugu speaking portions of the Nizam State from the Marathi, and Kannada portions.
it was named Telang Khana by the Sultanate administrators. During the Nizam's succession squabbles, the Andhra region (circars) was given to the East India company. Most of those lands were acquired after Vijayanagara faded away.

The big mistake was not naming the AP state as Telugu nadu or Telangana to reflect the Kakatiya dominions.

To reflect pre-Islamic name/Kakatiya dominions only they named Andhra Pradesh. In 1950s Newly formed Hyderabad state CM Burgula Rama Krishna Rao would have been happy man to get ancient name back to his land. In fact, as another poster Narayana Rao mentioned several times, "Andhra Desha Deesa (Head of Andhra Country)" is how Kakatiya king was called.

Calling Kosta Andhra (literally meaning Coastal Andhra - Kosta = Teluguized English word Coastal) as just Andhra is historic accident and recent, may be 100 years. Core Andhra was always the land in between Krishna-Godavari which includes Telangana. In fact, Rayalseema should have objection to calling state Andhra state/Pradesh than Telangana folks.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 06 Jul 2011 09:21

This agitation has no major cultural and civilisational base. Certain section of the political parties want power and that is all. INC wish to find out what is the profitable thing to do. BJP thinks that it is profitable for it. TDP has two eyes. That is all.

There is a Vishaladha meeting in Delhi and for time first time I agreed with Kuldeep Nayyar when he says that he is not for Telangana as it will lead to uncontrollable demands and end up with division of the nation.

Another surprising thing is the idea now being promoted by TRS and Congress people is that no Assembly views are required in the process of creation of a state. What extent these people lie to public?

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 06 Jul 2011 11:02

Excellent!

Now waiting for t-congress leaders to issue threat to switch allegiance to TRS.

Telangana is empowered through its history. At this point, the aim should be damage control. If seemandhra still refuses to see reality, i expect a trifurcation of AP.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 06 Jul 2011 11:23

Narayana Rao wrote:This agitation has no major cultural and civilisational base. Certain section of the political parties want power and that is all. INC wish to find out what is the profitable thing to do. BJP thinks that it is profitable for it. TDP has two eyes. That is all.

3-foot INC and 2-foot BJP want to reduce size so they can look tall. Both parties played major role in screwing AP. If any one of them shut their mouth, local leaders suck up and move on.

Narayana Rao wrote:There is a Vishaladha meeting in Delhi and for time first time I agreed with Kuldeep Nayyar when he says that he is not for Telangana as it will lead to uncontrollable demands and end up with division of the nation.

I found Parakala Prabhakar and Sanjay Baru's clips regarding that meeting

Narayana Rao wrote:Another surprising thing is the idea now being promoted by TRS and Congress people is that no Assembly views are required in the process of creation of a state. What extent these people lie to public?

Telangana is not an easy issue

Pranab's deadly shock to T- Congress leaders

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 06 Jul 2011 11:33

nvishal wrote:Excellent!

Now waiting for t-congress leaders to issue threat to switch allegiance to TRS.

Telangana is empowered through its history. At this point, the aim should be damage control. If seemandhra still refuses to see reality, i expect a trifurcation of AP.

Unfortunately they can't switch as they are all party to loot AP that YSR unleashed. They all resigned with permission from Congress so they can remove their burden of not doing anything.

In Botsa style they may say, "padavulu poyinayii, emi settham"

Center has a lot of weapons and how they will use them to screw whom will be known later only.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 06 Jul 2011 12:24

ShyamSP wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote:This agitation has no major cultural and civilisational base. Certain section of the political parties want power and that is all. INC wish to find out what is the profitable thing to do. BJP thinks that it is profitable for it. TDP has two eyes. That is all.
3-foot INC and 2-foot BJP want to reduce size so they can look tall. Both parties played major role in screwing AP. If any one of them shut their mouth, local leaders suck up and move on.

BJP is a non issue in AP Politics and thier support or non support to the cause does not matter. The Whole Pandora's Box was opened when one YSR cajoled the Long nosed one to leave his to bit post in TDP in 2001 and start the TRS which was one of the Key reasons why UPA won the 2004 elections and Chandra Babu Naidu was kicked out. In the Euphoria of the 2004 Election victory everybody ignored what a Monster called TRS had been created.

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 06 Jul 2011 12:48

Telangana: The real problem Congress faces

A crucial meeting between Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee and leaders from Telangana once again resulted in no concrete decision being taken on the issue of a separate Telangana.

During the meeting, Mukherjee said the consultation process on Telangana has already begun and the Telangana leaders should consider taking back their resignations since there was a lot of turmoil in the state.

Congress leaders from Telangana were, however, adamant and said they the assurances were not good enough. While this remains the official line that the Congress leaders from Telangana have been giving out, the real reason is that they are under tremendous pressure not to take back their resignations.

According to sources, the original ploy by the Congress was to bring pressure on the Union government and then take back their resignations after a couple of assurances were made. In fact, they had even agreed to take back their resignations once the government said it would withdraw Article 14 (f), according to which Hyderabad would not be a free zone any longer. This means only people from the Telangana region would be entitled for government jobs in Hyderabad.

However, for the Congress the ploy went wrong when members of legislative assembly from the other parties too came forward and began submitting their resignations. The MLAs from Telugu Desam Party and the Telangana Rashtra Smithi who have tendered their resignations have only done so to put pressure on the Congress.

Moreover, these MLAs are adamant that they would not take back their resignations, which has only increased the pressure on the Congress MLAs. During the various meetings held in New Delhi , the high command has been told about this situation. They have also been saying that if they return empty-handed or take back their resignations then it will spell doom for the Congress in Telangana.

Applying more pressure on the Congress are the various protests that are taking place in the Telangana region. Students, ordinary men and women and also government officials from the region have taken to the streets and are planning a series of protests over the next few days.

In addition to this, Congress MLAs have also sworn at the martyrs' memorial in Telangana that they would not take back their resignations until Telangana is formed. Sources say the Centre is seeking more time and is trying to drag on the issue so that the crisis blows over. However, it does not appear that it would be successful this time round since the pressures are different, with 40 per cent of the MLAs in the Andhra Pradesh legislative assembly having tendered their resignations.

The Centre, meanwhile, has its own set of pressures. While the MLAs from Telangana have refused to budge, the Centre is coming under pressure from MLAs from Rayalseema and the Andhra region too. These MLAs have been threatening to resign en-masse if the Centre decides to give in to the demands of Telangana. The Seema-Andhra MLAs have at the moment been pacified not to take any hasty decision until this crisis blows over.

While there are meetings galore scheduled in New Delhi, the entire Telangana region continues to be on the boil with the bandh continuing for the second day. On Tuesday the bandh was total and it appears that it would be the same on Wednesday as well. Students are likely to take to the streets on Thursday and have set a July 10 deadline for an announcement on Telangana.

The students have also warned that the protests would intensify if the government ignores the deadline. Following this there would be other forms of protests including a rail roko across Telangana.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 06 Jul 2011 15:21

Friends, let us together rue the depths to which political discourse has fallen....

Overheard someone (a samaikha sympathizer, obviously) refer to the TRS leadership as 'teleng*****s' only...terrible I tell ya...

wasu · Post by **wasu** » 07 Jul 2011 16:48

The students protests in OU are a joke...This is the sequence we see near OU NCC gate whenever protests happen.

It’s a ding-dong battle in OU
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels ... tle-ou-247

After breakfast OU students go through the newspapers to keep abreast of the developments on a separate Telangana.

They then assemble in front of the Arts College and dissect the news and political developments. By 10.30 am, almost everyone is there.

The students then proceed to burn effigies of some political figure and take out a rally shouting slogans.

Amid drum rolls they either march towards the Osmania University Police Station or go towards the NCC Gate and clash with the security personnel waiting for them. Till 11 am they stage a protest demanding that the police to let them outside the campus to take out the rally. A brief scuffle ensues and the police resort to a mild lathi-charge. The agitators then rush back inside the campus and start pelting stones at the cops, who retaliate by lobbing tear gas shells and stun grenades.

The stand-off by the students at the Osmania University continues till 12.30pm or 1pm, lunch time. A batch of students leaves for their hostels for lunch while the remaining agitators continue their confrontation with the police. The first batch then returns to relieve those who stayed back. After a while, the agitators retreat, and this is when the students as well the police take a breather till around 3.30pm.

Between 4pm and 4.30pm the students once again emerge from their rooms and start pelting stone on OU Police station from B Hostel. This continues till the policemen get agitated and start throwing back stones that were directed at them.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jul 2011 19:17

To break that cycle the perpetual students have to be expelled from the college or graduated.

The above cycle or modus operandi was perfected by Hon. Jaipal Reddy in 1968 even before the Telangana Agitation! Since then its the same MO with different 'student' leaders.
There used to be Medical College Student, Mallikarjun who was at 33 years of age still a student, who succeeded Jaipal Reddy and was the point person for the Telangana Agitation.

Note both these guys became INC minsters at Center!!!

unarayanadas · Post by **unarayanadas** » 07 Jul 2011 23:35

Two incidents that occurred today seem to be like signature tunes of the Telangana movement. Dr. Parakala Prabhakar's residence was attacked by hooligans today. When Minister T.G. Venkatesh pointed out that Telangana ideologue, Prof Kodandaram collects his salary from the University/Government but spends his time on the streets leading mobs, there was instant reaction. There would be protests at his residence tomorrow. Telangana protagonists have been resorting to goondaism to stifle even the slightest democratic dissent. This is how KCR & Co want to achieve Telangana. One wonders whether the movement is run from behind by anarchic Maoists.