Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2011

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 08 Jul 2011 11:46

Isnt it fun to watch these jehadi terrorist sewer pigs arguing with each other in the youtube link shravan posted...one man walk out, another talks non stop without allowing another to speak...the host almost gives up...

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 08 Jul 2011 11:55

Lalmohan Ji, one need not have immigration papers to apply for 'refugee' status. At the fall of Rawalpindi/ Isloo all they need are some chartered planes. I think though Rajesh Ji may be right, this belongs to the managing Paki failure thread.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 08 Jul 2011 12:12

shiv wrote:
Shrinivasan wrote: I was wondering that there is no estatements from Lord K-ass-hmiri..so ISI really sold him down the river... what did they get in return... more drone attacks!!!
If the ISI sold him down the river, it means that they had some control over his fate. If he was killed without them selling him out - it would mean that they were unable to hold on to him

If the lost him, it means the ISI did not have a clue. I believe that this is true and that too much effort has been put into giving the ISI a formidable reputation that it does not deserve.

I meant figuratively, me thinks the second option is more appropriate, ISI was caught unaware as they thought US has given a list and they can just sit on it. Little did they realize that knan may take mattes into his own hands. IK had just moved to that village and was meeting some chums in an apple orchard! Khans intelligence should have been impeccable?

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 08 Jul 2011 12:47

Situation in Karachi is alarming - US Ambassador

The US has expressed concern over the violence in Karachi and has stressed on all stakeholders to solve their differences.

In a statement issued by the US ambassador to Pakistan, Cameron Munter stated that the death of 60 people in three days in Karachi was alarming. He stressed on all the stakeholders not to escalate the situation and put their differences aside. The US ambassador also sent his condolences to the families of the victims.

link

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 08 Jul 2011 13:17

Lalmohan wrote:i am not sure that the RAPE will be given immigration papers by western countries en masse

Majority of Pakistani elites have permanent residency/dual citizenship of USA and the European countries

niran · Post by **niran** » 08 Jul 2011 13:32

ajit_tr wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:i am not sure that the RAPE will be given immigration papers by western countries en masse
Majority of Pakistani elites have permanent residency/dual citizenship of USA and the European countries

how do you know?
there is a difference in
-residency permit
-having a residence
you can rent/own property in many of Oiropean countries==having a residence
to live in them you need permit==residency permit
and no, i have property so i have right to live automatically is not possible, and with mass exodus kinda situation "refuge vissa" is given onlee, and you live in refuge camps not in properties you own/rent.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Jul 2011 13:35

r_subramanian wrote:
The US has expressed concern over the violence in Karachi and has stressed on all stakeholders to solve their differences.
link

Indic influence? Next he will ask them to eschew violence and follow the path of piss.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Jul 2011 13:39

harbans wrote:Reports are saying 200 in a few years.

Naah. A detailed look at available info suggests this is unlikely.

Sriman · Post by **Sriman** » 08 Jul 2011 13:48

Prasad wrote:I might have missed it but is there any specific reason for all the hell-for-leather phyrr in Krachi ? Did anybody burn a Quran and all this is a retaltion or something? Or just internecine Krachi track and field games for this year?

MQM Vs ANP round #87241. Apprently an ANP leader was killed near Orangi Town and it set everything off.

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 08 Jul 2011 13:51

Karachi violence, over 90 dead: Live updates

Express 24/7 correspondent, Shaheryar Mirza reports fighting has spread to different parts of the city, including Kharadar, Banaras, Kati Pahari, SITE, Baldia Town and Korangi.

Miscreants are reportedly firing from the rooftops and windows of houses in different areas.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/205202/kara ... e-updates/

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 08 Jul 2011 14:06

This must be old by a few minutes...only 85 animals culled..

http://www.dawn.com/2011/07/08/karachi- ... to-79.html

Who was it that BRF genius that argued that TSPA is so smart, they allowed terrorism to continue to 'smoke out' the terrorists? Well, the lahori logic of that suggestion is so strong, Karachi police chief has borrowed that too! May be he reads BRF...

During the past two days we pointed out strife-torn areas and gathered intelligence,” City Police Chief Saud Mirza told Dawn on Thursday.

..so 500+ dead this year, you must have lots of intelligence by now

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 08 Jul 2011 14:21

ajit_tr wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:i am not sure that the RAPE will be given immigration papers by western countries en masse
Majority of Pakistani elites have permanent residency/dual citizenship of USA and the European countries

Now please stand in queue to get deported back to La-Whore! New Winds are Blowing through Oirope and Amreeka, and those winds no much like Poakee!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 08 Jul 2011 14:28

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... 5a1a251e0f

WASHINGTON (AP) — A former managing director of a Chinese company appeared in federal court Thursday on charges that she secretly exported hundreds of gallons of paint coatings to a nuclear power plant in Pakistan.

Prosecutors say Xun Wang, who pleaded not guilty and was ordered held, exported the high-performance coatings to the Chasma II plant without obtaining the required license from the U.S. Department of Commerce.

Wang at the time was managing director of architectural coatings at PPG Paints Trading, which in December pleaded guilty to exporting high-performance coatings to the same nuclear reactor and agreed to pay a $3.75 million penalty. The company is a foreign subsidiary of Pittsburgh-based PPG Industries, Inc.

The Commerce Department in June 2006 denied PPG Industries' request for a license to export the coatings. PPG Industries officials notified Wang of the decision and said that she and other company officials "must abide by the ruling."

Nonetheless, the indictment alleges, Wang and other PPG Paints Trading representatives arranged to export the coatings to the Pakistani reactor through a third-party company in China. The purchase orders falsely identified a Chinese nuclear power station as the end user for the shipments, prosecutors say.

She was arrested in Georgia on a federal warrant last month and appeared Thursday in U.S. District Court in Washington, where she faces charges including conspiracy and illegal exporting. She was ordered held without bond, pending a detention hearing on Tuesday.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 08 Jul 2011 14:30

Plight of Christian sweepers in Pakistan:
http://www.compassdirect.org/english/co ... 14675.html

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 08 Jul 2011 14:35

the number of pak_critical articles in western media is definitely increasing. from plight of xtians to women to a shazad case - and the current plethora of AQK and Qaramat se Qiyani tak new clear revelations. someone is deliberately increasing the heat on pukes. i don't think its just ground swell of disgust, but could be unkil orchestrated to build a case for action...
(or unkil's media handlers have just stepped back and let journalists work more independently)

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 08 Jul 2011 14:53

The demands of PC (and the fear of more terrorist attacks in their markets and malls) always keep western reporters a bit subdued...on top of that most of Pakbarianism was directed at India so Unkil and his media corps cared a rats a.s. They were advising us how to be nice and turn the other cheek. But then TSP got bold and as the tamil saying goes, after biting the goat and cow it started biting the man...then of course, all velvet gloves are off...no more 'be nice to them, talk to them' bullshit..

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 08 Jul 2011 15:19

A silver lining amid all the shootings in Karachi
A recent twitter message

Husband at home today to get his favorite homemade #Lunch after a long time #Karachi #Food

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 08 Jul 2011 15:31

Hey Ajit_tr, remember when your forefathers said this: "Hans ke liye Pakistan. Lar ke lenge Hindustan"? Here's what's the pakhtuns are doing to your brethrens in "your" land of the pure:
Bhaiyya Log from Hindustan. Watch & Reflect!

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 08 Jul 2011 15:59

anupmisra wrote:Hey Ajit_tr, remember when your forefathers said this: "Hans ke liye Pakistan. Lar ke lenge Hindustan"? Here's what's the pakhtuns are doing to your brethrens in "your" land of the pure:
Bhaiyya Log from Hindustan. Watch & Reflect!

Can someone pls translate what he is saying about Mohajirs abt 1 min into the clip..?

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 08 Jul 2011 16:01

shiv wrote:
ajit_tr wrote:All this mumbo jumbo i think of no use after the tublight moment. The truth is pakistan is not going to collapse and its here to stay.
Yes sir. Something that is called "Pakistan" is here to stay. There is no need for anyone to worry that Pakistan will not stay if i don't think it will stay - but Pakis seem to worry about the negative publciity of people saying "Pakistan is going to collapse" - so that is something to savor

The only thing that I am struggling with is exactly what is going to stay as "Pakistan" Long ago I created an animated gif of what "Pakistan" was supposed to be and what it became and what it might be. In fact I may be wrong - Pakistanis may get even smaller as Paki enthusiasts jump up and down and say "Pakistan will stay! Pakistan will stay"

Here is "Pakistan" for you - the "concept of Pakistan" in 1946, the original Pakistan in 1947, circumcized Pakistan in 1971 and Paki Pakistan in 2008. "Pakistan is here to stay" alright. Congratulations.

Guru ji,
How about an alternate analysis and gif map of what Hindostan has lost along with similar timeline as in your gif above.Let the lurking members and visitors also know what hindostan was in ancient times and what it has lost.Though BRF Gurus do good analysis about it in GD forum but its not accessible to all non members lurking here.So why feed them one side of the analysis why not give the other side of the analysis too.

Archan ji,
If my sister chooses a pakistani as her husband so sure why would we object it.Afterall she too have right to chose her own life partner instead of us selling her to some implementing the thought process of Rajeshji of selling her to some man seeking a sex slave in disguise of marriage.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 08 Jul 2011 16:01

edited .duplicate post.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 08 Jul 2011 16:07

Suppiah wrote:
anupmisra wrote:Hey Ajit_tr, remember when your forefathers said this: "Hans ke liye Pakistan. Lar ke lenge Hindustan"? Here's what's the pakhtuns are doing to your brethrens in "your" land of the pure:
Bhaiyya Log from Hindustan. Watch & Reflect!
Can someone pls translate what he is saying about Mohajirs abt 1 min into the clip..?

Basically that when pa'astan became "independent" these "bhaiyya log" (implying mohajirs) came to K'rachi seeking shelter after they were beaten up (jootey kha kar) in India.

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 08 Jul 2011 16:12

NY Times editorial:

A Pakistani Journalist’s Murder

After the Pakistani journalist Syed Saleem Shahzad was murdered in May, suspicion fell on Inter-Services Intelligence, the country’s powerful spy agency. Mr. Shahzad reported aggressively on the infiltration of militants into Pakistan’s military and had received repeated threats from ISI. Other journalists said they, too, have been threatened, even tortured, by security forces.

Now the Obama administration has evidence implicating the ISI in this brutal killing. According to The Times’s Jane Perlez and Eric Schmitt, American officials say new intelligence indicates that senior ISI officials ordered the attack on Mr. Shahzad to silence him. Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, confirmed on Thursday that Pakistan’s government “sanctioned” the killing, but he did not tie it directly to ISI. The murder will make journalists and other critics of the regime even more reluctant to expose politically sensitive news. The ISI is also proving to be an increasingly dangerous counterterrorism partner for the United States.

After Mr. Shahzad’s killing, ISI insisted it had no role, contending the death would be “used to target and malign” its reputation. The ISI and the army, which oversees the intelligence agency, were once considered Pakistan’s most respected institutions. Now they are sharply criticized at home for malfeasance and incompetence.

There is evidence that they were complicit in hiding Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad and that the ISI helped plan the Mumbai attack in 2008. They failed to prevent the recent attack on a naval base in Karachi. Mr. Shahzad disappeared two days after publishing an article suggesting the attack was retaliation for the navy’s attempt to crack down on Al Qaeda militants in the armed forces.

It’s not clear how high up the culpability for Mr. Shahzad’s murder goes — or whether there are any officials left in the ISI or the army who have the power and desire to reform the spy agency. President Asif Ali Zardari and his government, while not implicated in these heinous acts, have been a disappointment, largely letting the military go its own way. They need to find Mr. Shahzad’s murderers and hold them accountable. And they must find the courage to assert civilian control over security services that have too much power and are running amok.

Mr. Zardari needs to speak out firmly against abuses, insist on adherence to the rule of law and join his political rival, Nawaz Sharif, in pressing the security services to change. That can start by insisting on the retirement of Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the ISI chief, and the appointment of a more credible successor.

The United States needs to use its influence to hasten Mr. Pasha’s departure. It should tell Pakistan’s security leadership that if Washington identifies anyone in ISI or the army as abetting terrorists, those individuals will face sanctions like travel bans or other measures. The ISI has become inimical to Pakistani and American interests.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 08 Jul 2011 16:15

ajit_tr wrote:If my sister chooses a pakistani as her husband so sure why would we object it.Afterall she too have right to chose her own life partner instead of us selling her to some implementing the thought process of Rajeshji of selling her to some man seeking a sex slave in disguise of marriage.

ajit_tr ji,

Not sex slave, call it liberation. Your nephews and nieces will grow up in a free land, and not be shot down in Karachi by-lanes.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 08 Jul 2011 16:29

And now comes the chutzpah!! Pakistan says India rejected revenue sharing plan. The gall!

Pakistan’s cricket chief Ijaz Butt has said India rejected a proposal to share revenue from a possible series between the arch rivals on the grounds that India will play host. “We hope the series will be revived and we told them we are ready to play in India but revenue should be shared 50-50, but they did not accept the proposal,” Butt said in an interview broadcast late on Thursday.

“Naturally, compared to what we earn when we play any other top country, we earn much more if we play India. But we have to sort out details, but what they say is basically a one-sided affair,” said Butt.

Yeah, like Indian team has better things to do and better teams to play. Now go play Afghanistan.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 08 Jul 2011 16:30

Adminullahs some one wants to get lynched really badly. Please do the honours. There is a diversionary tactic on this thread with state support to derail it and make this forum look like the deaf and dumb fora . And ISI and kia-naani seem to have full knowledge of it though claiming that a non state actor is responsible for it.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 08 Jul 2011 16:32

RajeshA wrote: ajit_tr ji,

Not sex slave, call it liberation. Your nephews and nieces will grow up in a free land, and not be shot down in Karachi by-lanes.

Rajesh ji,
Dying in karachi by-lanes is better than getting raped on the roads of delhi in moving car and suffering from the life long trauma.
or getting burnt alive on the roads of gujarat and orisa.or getting blown up in trains or getting shot dead in the hotels of mumbai and on the roads of kashmir.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 08 Jul 2011 16:32

shiv wrote:
Shrinivasan wrote: I was wondering that there is no estatements from Lord K-ass-hmiri..so ISI really sold him down the river... what did they get in return... more drone attacks!!!
If the ISI sold him down the river, it means that they had some control over his fate. If he was killed without them selling him out - it would mean that they were unable to hold on to him

I have seen no public info either way. Do you have any specific info saying the ISI sold him out? The reason I ask is because it makes a world of a difference whether the "sold him out"or "lost him despite protecting him"

If they sold him out - the ISI is an efficient feared organization that has all this under control.

If the lost him, it means the ISI did not have a clue. I believe that this is true and that too much effort has been put into giving the ISI a formidable reputation that it does not deserve.

agreed. But unkils humint must be phenomenal.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 08 Jul 2011 16:36

ajit_tr wrote:If my sister chooses a pakistani as her husband ..... instead of us selling her to some man seeking a sex slave in disguise of marriage.

This above quote says a lot about you. Have you been to pa'astan? Lately?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 08 Jul 2011 16:36

ajit_tr - you ask the question "what has hindustan lost?"
the answer is my dear chap, that you have lost yourself

vdutta · Post by **vdutta** » 08 Jul 2011 16:38

hulaku wrote:Karachi violence, over 90 dead: Live updates

Express 24/7 correspondent, Shaheryar Mirza reports fighting has spread to different parts of the city, including Kharadar, Banaras, Kati Pahari, SITE, Baldia Town and Korangi.

Miscreants are reportedly firing from the rooftops and windows of houses in different areas.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/205202/kara ... e-updates/

what an irony. those "Mohajirs" left India assuming that their lives were in danger in a kuffr land. little did they know that their linage will be erased by their own brothers of religion decades later.

altaf hussain once aptly said that "hume hindustan me panah de do".

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 08 Jul 2011 16:41

http://bos.sagepub.com/content/67/4/91.long
Pakistan’s nuclear forces, 2011
1. Hans M. Kristensen
2. Robert S. Norris
(tweeted by CCFair)

As of late 2010, the International Panel on Fissile Materials estimated that Pakistan had an inventory of approximately 2,600 kilograms (kg) of highly enriched uranium (HEU) and roughly 100 kg of weapon-grade plutonium (International Panel on Fissile Materials, 2010). This is enough to produce 160–240 warheads, assuming that each warhead’s solid core uses either 12–18 kg of HEU or 4–6 kg of plutonium.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 08 Jul 2011 16:51

ajit_tr wrote:Dying in karachi by-lanes is better than getting raped on the roads of delhi in moving car and suffering from the life long trauma.
or getting burnt alive on the roads of gujarat and orisa.or getting blown up in trains or getting shot dead in the hotels of mumbai and on the roads of kashmir.

Ajit (or whatever your real name is), now you are uber trolling. No one is proud of what you quoted above. But, I am amazed at your blinkered, selective view of the situation in India. Even I (who has lived most of his life overseas) know that being slaughtered on the streets of Mumbai or being burnt in a locked up train in Gujarat or being blown to bits in shopping malls of Delhi or being ethnically cleansed in Kashmir is better than being shot like a dog on the "by-lanes" of k'rachi by one's fellow co-religionists. Ummah forever, right? I hope your family bought her a one way ticket. You are a sick, sorry of a man. You deserve what you have and what you are getting in pa'astan.

Mods, please feel free to delete my post if it is over the top.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 08 Jul 2011 16:54

Lalmohan wrote:ajit_tr - you ask the question "what has hindustan lost?"
the answer is my dear chap, that you have lost yourself

Put another way, pa'astan gained a Ajit_tr. May Allah grant him a windowless room to shelter in Orangi town.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 08 Jul 2011 16:54

ajit_tr wrote:
RajeshA wrote: ajit_tr ji,

Not sex slave, call it liberation. Your nephews and nieces will grow up in a free land, and not be shot down in Karachi by-lanes.
Rajesh ji,
Dying in karachi by-lanes is better

Why is it better? What is so good about dying in Karachi?

You seriously have to look at how many Muslims die in Pakistan due to violence and how many die in India in violence!

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 08 Jul 2011 16:56

vdutta wrote:altaf hussain once aptly said that "hume hindustan me panah de do".

Someone should tell Altafbhai that there is a Banaras and an Aligarh or a Dilli in k'rachi. That's his "Hindustan".

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 08 Jul 2011 17:00

Stop feeding the troll, it derails the thread. The guy is not interested in making a positive contribution to this thread.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 08 Jul 2011 17:03

Karachi's ethnic, political violence kills 70 in 3 days

KARACHI (Reuters) - Pakistani police and paramilitary troops were ordered on Friday to shoot on sight in its largest city Karachi after up to 70 people were killed in three days of ethnic and political violence.
Shops and fuel stations were shut and public transport idled after the city's dominant political party, the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), announced a day of mourning in response to the latest surge in violence in the country's financial and commercial hub.
"We have issued orders to the security forces to shoot anyone involved in violence on the spot," Sharjeel Memon, the provincial information minister, told Reuters.
"In addition to the police and Rangers, another 1,000 personnel of the Frontier Constabulary will be deployed in the city to control the violence," he said, referring to another paramilitary force.
Karachi police chief Saud Mirza said 63 people had died in the violence since Tuesday, with around 150 injured. Memon said 70 people had been killed in violence.
"Thirty-seven people were killed yesterday alone," Memon said.

VIOLENCE SPREADING

Most of the casualties over the past three days were reported in the city's western Qasba Colony and adjoining areas -- a multi-ethnic, lower middle class neighborhood.

But slowly, trouble is spreading to other parts of the city.
Firing could be heard in several areas on Friday, and in some spots residents burned tires and threw stones at the few passing vehicles on the street.
Huddles of people waited in vain at bus stops for public transport that never came.
Most shops were closed, with corrugated steel shutters drawn against the violence outside. Every few kilometers, a small group of lightly armed police stood a wary watch, while rangers and cops in pickups patrolled the empty streets.
The stock market was open, but the main index was down 0.68 percent by midday (0700 GMT) in light trade.
"Not many people are willing to trade today and everyone is concerned about the situation in the city," said Sajid Bhanji, a director at brokers Arif Habib Ltd.
"The stock market has also announced that the settlement of today's trades will be done on Monday, which shows they are worried about the situation."

HISTORY OF VIOLENCE

Karachi, home to more than 18 million people, has a long history of ethnic, religious and sectarian violence.

It was a main target of al Qaeda-linked militants after the September 11 2001 attacks on the United States, when Pakistan joined the U.S.-led campaign against militancy, and foreigners were attacked in the city several times.
A recent report from the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said a total of 1,138 people were killed in Karachi in the first six months of 2011, of whom 490 were victims of political, ethnic and sectarian violence.
The latest surge in violence in the southern city came days after the MQM announced to quit the ruling coalition.
The MQM, which mostly represents the Mohajirs -- descendents of Urdu-speakers who migrated from India after the creation of Pakistan in 1947 -- and its rival, the ethnic Pashtun-based Awami National Party (ANP), are blamed for most of the violence, though both parties deny the charges.

"It's definitely a political and ethnic issue, and a strong political commitment would be needed to bring peace to the city," said a senior security official, requesting not to be named.
"To open fire and kill a few miscreants may stop the violence for now, but in the long-run, a political resolution is a must, or else we will see another surge after a few days," he said.
The U.S. Embassy in Islamabad released a statement from Ambassador Cameron Munter condemning the violence.
"We call on all parties to refrain from further violence and work toward a peaceful resolution of differences," the statement read.

TROUBLING QUESTIONS

In some ways, Karachi raises more troubling questions over Pakistan's stability than the northwest border regions seen as a global hub for militants and a huge concern for the West.

As the commercial hub, any trouble could disturb industrial activity, and have serious consequences for the economy.
"If the government does not pay immediate attention to the worsening situation of Karachi, and does not stop the loss of innocent blood, we will shut down our business centers and industries," Muhammad Saeed Shafiq, president of the Karachi Chamber of Commerce and Industry, said in a statement.
According to officials, Karachi contributes 68 percent of the government's total revenue and 25 percent of gross domestic product (GDP).

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 08 Jul 2011 17:35

ajit_tr wrote:
RajeshA wrote: ajit_tr ji,

Not sex slave, call it liberation. Your nephews and nieces will grow up in a free land, and not be shot down in Karachi by-lanes.
Rajesh ji,
Dying in karachi by-lanes is better than getting raped on the roads of delhi in moving car and suffering from the life long trauma.
or getting burnt alive on the roads of gujarat and orisa.or getting blown up in trains or getting shot dead in the hotels of mumbai and on the roads of kashmir.

Yep, there are no rapes in Pakistan, No Targeted Shia Killings, Christian Killings, No karo Kari etc etc in Pakistan(offcourse most of this not reported in thier Media). I have friends in Karchi who say woman cant take Taxi alone.

Apple to Apple we know which is better. Anyways thats the last time anyone is going to answer your trolls. Keep going

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Jul 2011 17:54

Good-bye, ajit_tr.