shiv wrote:Lisa people who live in wealthy countries are constantly told that poor countries are suffering. So it becomes easy to be a rich man somewhere and imagine NoKo to be an bad shape "They are begging" ha ha ha
In my view there is a serious problem with this viewpoint. Countries are not individuals - so when you have a few individuals controlling a country - those individuals can become more and more and more dangerous even as their countrymen become poorer and more screwed up. The fact that Koerans (North) are poor and hungry does not matter to anyone - but yet Korea remains as a dangerous nation. The fact that one man has over 25 mill USD is just a rationalization -a piskological mental massage to say "Korea is screwed up"
We on BRF spend a lot of time talking that way bout Pakistan. Pakistan's screwed up economy and its poverty make us all happy and we all cheer when Pakis die or kill each other. But the Paki army is nearly immune to all this they are rich - the average jernail is richer than you or me and many Paki individuals are worth more than that measly 25 million. No matter how bad things are in Pakistan or North Korea - both countries are carrying on surviving and being a danger and no country in the world is able to do much about it in a reasonable time span. Both failing nations have an inherent strength by virtue of their failure where the lives of their people matter less and less and the leaders are cocooned by a protective layer of millions of indoctrinated hungry people who do not care if they die.
No matter how happy we feel about screwed up Pakis or North Koreans - both failed nations remain an insoluble problem. Everyone has clever ideas about what to do. But no one has succeeded in actually doing anything much
Shiv, you are erroneous in your suggestion that North Korea is not in bad
shape. It's in very bad shape and a great deal of this situation is brought
about by the sanctions that you claim do not work.
When a sovereign nation is reduced to having as its principle demand at
international talks, the consent to move 25 million dollars though a banking
system, then yes like it or not that is begging. You would be had pushed
to find be a comparable situation in the case of another nation. This is a
fact whether it is viewed from a rich nation or a poor nation.
Let me give you another example of how unilateral or multilateral sanctions
work and do very much have the ability to make even great nations feel the
pinch. Look when able at the Indian Nuclear page on this formum and the
ongoing discussion on ENR and what the American are willing to do alone
and how they are attempting to use multilateral agencies be coerced into
arresting India's ability to move ahead with ENR. If as you say sanctions
do not work do you care to explain the anomaly, ie why this concern about
these American moves?
Lets stick to the point, sanctions against pakistan would work. They need
to be thought out and slowly and methodically applied. We do not yet
process the ability to use any multilateral agencies offices to make this
move but even unilaterally we can cause pain. A little pain first but
gradually leveraging move as our economy advances and its size begins to
dictate terms on a global basis much as Americas does now.
In all nations, irrespective the grease that keeps them ticking at any level
is money. Your ability to 'transact' any 'business' eventually requires some
money, good money, reliably money not just locally printed stuff. You
much sequestrate pakistans ability to trade and earn money by all means
fair and foul for it is money that allows them to 'finance' the misery they
cause not Allah.
