Indian Interests

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 12 Aug 2011 20:56

When i was making enquiry for courses on Defence and Strategic Studies in the mid 90's, i remember at that time there were just 3 Universities in India offering the same: Delhi, Jadavpur and Pune. Pune University's course was exclusively for Ex-Defence Personnel.
I do not know what the situation is now.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Aug 2011 01:37

India [ Images ] is independent, but we've thrown her to the lions -- bribe-loving, paan-chewing lions who sing Hakuna Matata, says Sanaya Dalal.
http://www.rediff.com/news/column/colum ... 110812.htm\
( A DIE or MAI)

Have you ever thought about Independence Day when you're getting home from a ten-hour day at work, stuck behind a truck with loudspeakers blaring as revellers dance ahead and behind it, not giving a shit (pardon my French) that they're occupying the whole road and are in the way of an entire working class of people?Drums roll, cymbals crash, looms of firecrackers are set off in deafening succession, drunk oglers stare you down and wolf whistles sound from every direction, as you pray for a sudden bolt of lightning to come crashing down from the skies and have them scurrying for cover.
Yeah, me too.And then I slowly break into a grin, picturing it.
Sixty four years ago, the British Raj stopped treating us like second class citizens -- let me rephrase that, some of them still treat us like second class citizens, only they packed up their bags and left Indian shores to look down their noses at us from their home turf.Just recently, a 57-year-old farmer from Gujarat made headlines by moving the British courts in a bid to migrate to the UK. According to him, the country's laws, which require immigrants to have a basic command of the English language are, ahem, brace yourself -- 'racist', 'discriminatory' and 'a breach of human rights'.Said farmer has studied up to Class Eight and wants to settle in the UK with his wife, entitling him to benefits at the cost of the British taxpayer.So basically, we kicked out the tyrants and now some of us are fighting tooth and nail to get into theThis, our 'Independent India' -- I wonder what fate awaits her six decades from now? I try not to think about it.
Sanaya Dalal is Chief Features Editor, Rediff.com

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Aug 2011 01:47

Bollywood film on caste stirs controversy in India
http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110812 ... caste_film

The movie's title means "reservation," a reference to affirmative action quotas for India's untouchables, also known as dalits, in jobs and education.
Dalits, who form nearly a fourth of India's billion-plus population, say the film belittles them and shows them in a negative light.Jha disputed their interpretation of his movie, but he agreed to edit out parts they may find offensive. The edited version, however, was not available as it opened across the country over this lucrative Independence Day three-day weekend.The film's star, famed actor Amitabh Bachchan, sounded anguished on his Twitter account Friday, accusing people of condemning the film without even watching it."Have cried at our helplessness in not making people understand that this art needs to be seen not banned!" he tweeted.On his blog, Bachchan quoted his character in the film, the principal of a college: "Two Indias reside in this country ... and in truth, if we have to see any progress in our society, then the distance between these

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 13 Aug 2011 06:18

Eastern conduit for Pakistan's financial war

In fact, on Thursday, Indian intelligence notched up one of its biggest successes in combating counterfeit currency by helping Nepal authorities arrest a Pakistani national carrying fake Indian currency totalling Rs55 lakh. “We are examining the source and conduit for these notes, but it could be even from China,” a senior intelligence official told DNA.

While the arrest has further underscored the financial threat from India’s neighbours, the report noted that the common strategy was to print the fakes in Pakistan from where it was then sent to network operators in countries like China and then handed over to “wholesale” agents in India. “The use of FICN by terrorists, including David Headley, leave no doubt that FICN is an important source of terror financing for elements sponsored by the ISI in India,” the report said. In fact, underworld don, Dawood Ibrahim, and his associates have also been found to aid this massive terror financing with fake currency.

“China was always known to be the biggest conduit for drugs in South-East Asia, and the same routes used to smuggle drugs is now being used as the conduit for fake currency,” said Jayadeva Ranade, a former additional secretary in R&AW who has spent decades studying China. “In fact this also makes sense because we always knew that operators in Thailand could produce some of the best quality of fake Indian currency. These could then be facilitated (transported) through China before ending up in Indian markets.”

India is, however, not the only target. The report noted that the same counterfeiters were also keen on fake US dollars which could be used to destabilise the American economy. “There are clear signs of the usage of these well-developed global networks to counterfeit other currencies such as the US dollar.” This, intelligence sources told DNA, could be another reason for China’s growing interest in becoming a conduit for fake currency.

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 13 Aug 2011 07:52

Airavat wrote:Eastern conduit for Pakistan's financial war

In fact, on Thursday, Indian intelligence notched up one of its biggest successes in combating counterfeit currency by helping Nepal authorities arrest a Pakistani national carrying fake Indian currency totalling Rs55 lakh. “We are examining the source and conduit for these notes, but it could be even from China,” a senior intelligence official told DNA.

While the arrest has further underscored the financial threat from India’s neighbours, the report noted that the common strategy was to print the fakes in Pakistan from where it was then sent to network operators in countries like China and then handed over to “wholesale” agents in India. “The use of FICN by terrorists, including David Headley, leave no doubt that FICN is an important source of terror financing for elements sponsored by the ISI in India,” the report said. In fact, underworld don, Dawood Ibrahim, and his associates have also been found to aid this massive terror financing with fake currency.

“China was always known to be the biggest conduit for drugs in South-East Asia, and the same routes used to smuggle drugs is now being used as the conduit for fake currency,” said Jayadeva Ranade, a former additional secretary in R&AW who has spent decades studying China. “In fact this also makes sense because we always knew that operators in Thailand could produce some of the best quality of fake Indian currency. These could then be facilitated (transported) through China before ending up in Indian markets.”

India is, however, not the only target. The report noted that the same counterfeiters were also keen on fake US dollars which could be used to destabilise the American economy. “There are clear signs of the usage of these well-developed global networks to counterfeit other currencies such as the US dollar.” This, intelligence sources told DNA, could be another reason for China’s growing interest in becoming a conduit for fake currency.

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 13 Aug 2011 07:56

Airavat wrote: India is, however, not the only target. The report noted that the same counterfeiters were also keen on fake US dollars which could be used to destabilise the American economy. “There are clear signs of the usage of these well-developed global networks to counterfeit other currencies such as the US dollar.” This, intelligence sources told DNA, could be another reason for China’s growing interest in becoming a conduit for fake currency.

Demonetise the higher currency notes (Rs 500 and above) and announce an exchange program through RBI counters in every bank, this will compel people to exchange the demonetised notes at RBI counters. Install machines to verify before accepting, this will eliminate fake from real.Eventually destroy the fake accumulated by RBI.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 13 Aug 2011 10:10

http://www.sify.com/news/is-india-turni ... bbbch.html
Is India turning into a banana republic?

an interesting whine, a towel and survey of present mood/happenings in India from ex- military intelligence

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 13 Aug 2011 10:37

Virupaksha wrote:http://www.sify.com/news/is-india-turni ... bbbch.html
Is India turning into a banana republic?

an interesting whine, a towel and survey of present mood/happenings in India from ex- military intelligence

It is not a whine.It is the reality today.India is in far more trouble than people realise.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 13 Aug 2011 20:47

The Resident Non-Indian ---- Aimee Ginsburg

‘India is the most difficult country in the world to relocate to and in which to assimilate with the local population,’ according to a recent media report that quoted a study done by HSBC Bank, polling 4,000 expats in 100 countries. Before you roll your eyes and exclaim, ‘Oh no, those foreigners complain too much,’ let me put this forth: although the angst of the immigrant who feels excluded may not be as pressing as our other major social ills, the strength and vibrancy of a society rests, among other measures, on its ability to absorb and assimilate ‘outsiders’. Yes, India was once colonised and is, therefore, suspicious of ‘outsiders’ and their motives, but hey, that’s over now, no? India is not in danger of being re-colonised, at least not by the likes of us, with our FabIndia kurtas, tulsi masala chai and Bollywood dance classes. And if we are bringing with us a host of other ideas, foods, fashions, ways of raising kids, why fear it? Cultural and ethnic diversity make a culture stronger; surely, it is the secret behind the US’s success.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 13 Aug 2011 21:30

The Agony of ‘Pakistani’ Indians

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 13 Aug 2011 21:50

Yes, India was once colonised and is, therefore, suspicious of ‘outsiders’ and their motives, but hey, that’s over now, no? India is not in danger of being re-colonised, at least not by the likes of us, with our FabIndia kurtas, tulsi masala chai and Bollywood dance classes. And if we are bringing with us a host of other ideas, foods, fashions, ways of raising kids, why fear it? Cultural and ethnic diversity make a culture stronger; surely, it is the secret behind the US’s success.

Agree with this one. Indians must get out of colonial mindset. US does indeed assimilate people easily. Forget foreigners even R21s may have adjustment problems initially.

negi · Post by **negi** » 13 Aug 2011 22:58

gakakkad wrote: Agree with this one. Indians must get out of colonial mindset. US does indeed assimilate people easily. Forget foreigners even R21s may have adjustment problems initially.

There is no connection between assimilation and colonial rule; fact is India has already assimilated as many as it's resources could allow, Unkil land on the other hand is more than 3 times as big as India, blessed with natural resources in abundance and not even 30% of India's population so assimilation is not an issue there, obviously current downturn in the economy notwithstanding the standard of living in states is definitely a factor when it comes to RTI types having issues adjusting to life in India.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 13 Aug 2011 23:26

negi wrote:.......standard of living in states is definitely a factor when it comes to RTI types having issues adjusting to life in India.

correct and it has little to do with the kind of people the article talks about.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 14 Aug 2011 08:07

negi wrote:
gakakkad wrote: Agree with this one. Indians must get out of colonial mindset. US does indeed assimilate people easily. Forget foreigners even R21s may have adjustment problems initially.
There is no connection between assimilation and colonial rule; fact is India has already assimilated as many as it's resources could allow, Unkil land on the other hand is more than 3 times as big as India, blessed with natural resources in abundance and not even 30% of India's population so assimilation is not an issue there, obviously current downturn in the economy notwithstanding the standard of living in states is definitely a factor when it comes to RTI types having issues adjusting to life in India.

India has stood for more than 1000 years seeing all these ;foriegner; running around inside India and bringing thier things inside India.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 14 Aug 2011 17:27

^^^ What I meant to say is , that we must create a condition so that talented people from world over can come and work for us. For instance by 2020 ISRO'S budget may match NASA. NASA's budget is not going to increase from its current 18 Billion dollars as US economy will not grow much. ISRO'S budget may increase greatly from $2Billion today(including ANTRIX) to close to the NASA figure by 2020. If a highly talented greek , french , kenyan , American or east timori aerospace engineer qualifies for a job in ISRO he must be able to work there. US would have been nothing today if European scientists (especially the JEWs) had not emigrated their post ww2 . We must attract talent from everywhere.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 Aug 2011 21:32

gakakkad wrote:If a highly talented greek , french , kenyan , American or east timori aerospace engineer qualifies for a job in ISRO he must be able to work there.

Can the talented part-time scientists full-time painters from SUPARCO also apply?

BTW, actually they are called Pakistan Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Commission (SUARCo). I don't know why they use the 'P' in their acronym!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Aug 2011 05:09

Fai exposé needs to be celebrated
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/fai-e ... 110813.htm

There is the infamous case of the current Pakistan high commissioner in London giving some £250,000 in the 1990s to a British lawmaker who was 'committed' to raising his voice for the Kashmiris. After being ousted because of a political tussle inside Pakistan, the lawmaker self-righteously returned the money to the Pakistan high commission. The money, however, never reached the coffers of the Pakistan government! Over the years, the ISI has latched on to Western academics and think-tanks who toe the Pakistani line in their books and papers. A couple of recent books on Pakistan by some dubious Western academics, which not only present a very different, and sympathetic, picture of that country from the one painted by its own media but also stand as glowing, if not gushing, testimonials of the Pakistan army [ Images ], are probably a case of 'chamak' (loosely translated as glint) a term used by the late Benazir Bhutto [ Images ] to describe her rival Nawaz Sharif's [ Images ] ability to use lucre to win administrative, judicial and political support at work at the international level.
That Pakistan was spreading money to buy support not only in the West but also in Kashmir is one of the worst kept secrets. A number of top Hurriyat leaders have been candid about having enjoyed Pakistan's benefaction. There is, therefore, no reason to be shocked that the ISI was funding people like Fai because this is something that any intelligence agency worth its salt would do. The shock is more over the pathetically small amounts of money around $4 million over a 20-year period and around $100,000 per annum that the ISI was using to buy support in the US. Even if the FBI hasn't got all the numbers correct and we raise the figure by two or three times, it still remains a fairly insignificant amount especially given how beloved a cause Kashmir is for Pakistan. The amount devoted to buying support for Kashmir becomes starker when you compare it with the $3 million that a former Pakistan army chief is supposed to have received in bribes from the North Koreans for allowing transfer of nuclear technology. While this comparison shows the real value attached to Kashmir by Pakistan, it also raises serious questions about how cheaply some of Pakistan's backers in the US Congress and Senate might have sold themselves.caveats are in order. There can really be no objection at all if some Indian partakes ISI hospitality and makes a financially bankrupt Pakistan spend a few thousand dollars to fly him first class (even business class should be acceptable), has himself put up in an expensive five-star hotel, is paid a per diem and wined and dined and all this to give a mouthful on Pakistan's sponsorship of terrorism in Kashmir and make a robust defense of India's position on the same issue.
The only problem is that people who generally get invitations to such events are often those who are already toeing the Pakistani line, or are seen as moldable in favor of the Pakistani cause. The icing on the Pakistani cake is, of course, those Indians or Indian-origin foreigners the Chatterjees, Roys and Navlakhas come to mind who act as good show boys for the Pakistani cause by bad-mouthing India and everything Indian in international forums.
The other problem is that invariably jamborees like the one organized by Fai come out with 'declarations' that convey a sort of 'consensus' reached between the participants of the event, who despite not representing anyone but themselves pretend as though they are representatives of their countries. Often enough, even though some of the participants might have serious reservations over the wording of the 'declaration,' they feel obliged to not make much of an issue over every clause or comma even if it compromises the national position. Others don't make an issue because they are cynical enough to know that these 'declarations' have absolutely no meaning since they will be consigned to the dustbin by their government.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 15 Aug 2011 07:13

Happy I-Day, says the Beeb...
Why Sonia Gandhi is the most powerful person in India

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 15 Aug 2011 07:38

In that dawn to be alive: Inder Malhotra

Memories of August 15,1947

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 15 Aug 2011 07:40

http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpap ... r4645.html

a paper about caste system in muslims.
It also lays out the schism in muslim ulema of india, excluding the south.

It seems to me that a broad front is emerging between the western and eastern muslims to challenge the dominant deoband-north india axis muslims. This dominant axis has the support of the soudis and pakistan and most importantly congress.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 15 Aug 2011 08:43

>>BTW, actually they are called Pakistan Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Commission (SUARCo). I don't know why they use the 'P' in their acronym!

That;'s because its the upper Pakistani atmosphere, see...

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 15 Aug 2011 08:46

RajeshA wrote: BTW, actually they are called Pakistan Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Commission (SUARCo). I don't know why they use the 'P' in their acronym!

They can apply for doing painting job in 10 Janpath .We need some IED mubaraks there.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 15 Aug 2011 15:52

North Indian Muslims: Foreign DNA or Hindu converts? Shared Y-chromosomal heritage between Muslims and Hindus in India.

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1. Am J Phys Anthropol. 2007 Jul;133(3):1004-12.
North Indian Muslims: enclaves of foreign DNA or Hindu converts?

Terreros MC, Rowold D, Luis JR, Khan F, Agrawal S, Herrera RJ.
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Department of Biological Sciences, Florida International University, University Park, Miami, FL 33199, USA.

Abstract

The mtDNA composition of two Muslim sects from the northern Indian province of Uttar Pradesh, the Sunni and Shia, have been delineated using sequence information from hypervariable regions 1 and 2 (HVI and HVII, respectively) as well as coding region polymorphisms. A comparison of this data to that from Middle Eastern, Central Asian, North East African, and other Indian groups reveals that, at the mtDNA haplogroup level, both of these Indo-Sunni and Indo-Shia populations are more similar to each other and other Indian groups than to those from the other regions. In addition, these two Muslim sects exhibit a conspicuous absence of West Asian mtDNA haplogroups suggesting that their maternal lineages are of Indian origin. Furthermore, it is noteworthy that the maternal lineage data indicates differences between the Sunni and Shia collections of Uttar Pradesh with respect to the relative distributions of Indian-specific M sub-haplogroups (Indo Shia > Indo Sunni) and the R haplogroup (Indo Sunni > Indo Shia), a disparity that does not appear to be related to social status or geographic regions within India. Finally, the mtDNA data integrated with the Y-chromosome results from an earlier study, which indicated a major Indian genetic (Y-chromosomal) contribution as well, suggests a scenario of Hindu to Islamic conversion in these two populations. However, given the substantial level of the African/Middle Eastern YAP lineage in the Indo-Shia versus its absence in the Indo-Sunni, it is likely that this conversion was somewhat gender biased in favor of females in the Indo-Shia.

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2. Hum Genet. 2006 Nov;120(4):543-51. Epub 2006 Sep 2.
A shared Y-chromosomal heritage between Muslims and Hindus in India.

Gutala R, Carvalho-Silva DR, Jin L, Yngvadottir B, Avadhanula V, Nanne K, Singh L, Chakraborty R, Tyler-Smith C.
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Department of Medicine, University of Texas Health Science Center, San Antonio, TX, USA.

Abstract

Arab forces conquered the Indus Delta region in 711 AD: and, although a Muslim state was established there, their influence was barely felt in the rest of South Asia at that time. By the end of the tenth century, Central Asian Muslims moved into India from the northwest and expanded throughout the subcontinent. Muslim communities are now the largest minority religion in India, comprising more than 138 million people in a predominantly Hindu population of over one billion. It is unclear whether the Muslim expansion in India was a purely cultural phenomenon or had a genetic impact on the local population. To address this question from a male perspective, we typed eight microsatellite loci and 16 binary markers from the Y chromosome in 246 Muslims from Andhra Pradesh, and compared them to published data on 4,204 males from East Asia, Central Asia, other parts of India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Iran, the Middle East, Turkey, Egypt and Morocco. We find that the Muslim populations in general are genetically closer to their non-Muslim geographical neighbors than to other Muslims in India, and that there is a highly significant correlation between genetics and geography (but not religion). Our findings indicate that, despite the documented practice of marriage between Muslim men and Hindu women, Islamization in India did not involve large-scale replacement of Hindu Y chromosomes. The Muslim expansion in India was predominantly a cultural change and was not accompanied by significant gene flow, as seen in other places, such as China and Central Asia.

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brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 15 Aug 2011 16:50

The 2007 paper is not consistent with the 2006 one. Moreover, the earlier paper bases its conclusions to a very problematic region as per conversions are concerned. There are likely to be regional differentiations in the patterns of conversion, and important factors will be
(1) the political scenario in which conversions/marriages took place
(2) the length of presence of Islamic military in the region at the time point of genetic origins
(3) cross migrations after Islamization

Cultural change is a loose term - and genetics will not in general prove the mechanism of conversion even if == Y haplotype sharing argument is used, whether that "cultural change" involved coercion or not, is not provable directly from genetic data.

A proper test would involve primarily testing for Y replacement against corresponding mtDNA replacement for each region, and also traced to cross-migration - both done in at least a regression on cofactors of other historical observables like known length of presence of Islamic rule, proximity to Muslim army encampments and fortified townships, linguistic evidence like the rapid change in usage of names from Indian to Persian/Turkic/Arabic in Punjab at a particular time.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 16 Aug 2011 15:54

abhishek_sharma wrote:In that dawn to be alive: Inder Malhotra

Memories of August 15,1947

Did anybody read the above? OK, here is the first para (bolded by me).

"Nearly two-thirds of a century later, memories of August 15,1947, remain astonishingly fresh in my mind, and I would rather relive them than write about the state of the Union on Independence Day’s 64th anniversary, when there is so little to be cheerful about."

Hmmm...one would think, things must be really shitty now compared to then for this fuddy duddy jackass. But... in the next para:

"The first thing of which the younger generation might be unaware is that on the magic day, the whole of north India was almost completely paralysed. There was hardly any law and order or any rail and road transport."

Hello?

Two words: edited objectionable language on request of fellow admin... See we all fly off the handle sometime - JE Menon

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 16 Aug 2011 19:48

Have you read this

http://indianintelligence2009.blogspot. ... 3738133747

Prologue
I was part of various analysis teams of Indian intelligence agencies during the 80’s and 90’s and now live a anonymous life in a distant land. What I am going to propagate over a 3 part series in the next few days might seem very farfetched and even fantastic to most people and many conspiracy theorists might gleefully accept it as vindication for whatever they have been screaming from rooftops for quite some time now. My attempt though is neither to please any one nor to prove someone else wrong or right; it is just to come out with the truth as we perceived it. Most of the theory that I am going to put forward in part 1 is the work of us 5 people in 1991 while analyzing all the intelligence inputs over the years in connection with the assassination of former Prime Minister Mr. Rajiv Gandhi. We in the intelligence parlays termed it as “the Rajiv brief”. Most conclusions that we had come up with were unanimous and unequivocal. I must hasten to add that many parts of this so called “the Rajiv brief” were also part of an earlier analysis done in the mid 80’s by another team investigating the conspiracy angle to Mrs Indira Gandhi’s death. Theoretic overlapping in terms of evidences, intelligence briefings and logical conclusions between these two analysis reports might be common, but there are also significant points of divergence in both of these reports and since I have been privy to both I would suggest that the number of points of convergence between both sets of analysis far outnumber the differences. Sometime in the middle of 1992 we were suddenly asked to debunk the whole theory and change our line of thinking by powers that be, and we had to let go of a “very strong” case that we were building then. Of the core group of 5 analysts who were working on that case, 3 are no more (all died of normal causes) and 2 of us are still living anonymously without being in touch with each other. This is my attempt (after almost 2 decades) to complete “the Rajiv brief” and take it to its logical conclusion with the benefit of hindsight. I must warn though, that this is at the end of the day, just a theory based on intelligence inputs and field analysis built on a very plausible premise. It is an attempt to fill in the blanks between the “if’s” and “buts” of history with the luxury of retrospective intelligence.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 16 Aug 2011 21:30

^^^

This is WOWWWW! I hope he brings out the other two parts! What I find very suspicious is, that the analysts were told not to proceed with their research on the "Rajiv Brief"!

Fascinating stuff!

Rohit_K · Post by **Rohit_K** » 16 Aug 2011 22:11

JE Menon wrote:Hmmm...one would think, things must be really shitty now compared to then for this fuddy duddy jackass. But... in the next para:
...
Hello? Two words: edited to keep your comment in and my objectionable language out - JE Menon

and such language comes from a moderator

Jai Ho India!

on BRF (including BENIS

) i usually look forward to some quality denunciations but this is a new low

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 16 Aug 2011 23:01

RajeshA wrote:^^^

This is WOWWWW! I hope he brings out the other two parts! What I find very suspicious is, that the analysts were told not to proceed with their research on the "Rajiv Brief"!

Fascinating stuff!

Last part came out in 2009. All quiet since then

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 17 Aug 2011 01:18

Jarita wrote: Last part came out in 2009. All quiet since then

I have seen this information from 2000 or so onwards.
This is mostly public and even Dr Swamy talks about this even in 2006.

2009 was the election in May.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 17 Aug 2011 02:26

^^^ The problem is that SSwamy does not connect the dots and draw logical conclusions. I believe that his information is accurate but it usually comes out of nowhere. Additionally, the information floating around is so disparate that it seems random - vatican, russia etc.
The blog above is the first time I have seen all the theories come together and the dots connect very well. It does not have any bravado or accusations. It simply connects the dots and is the most powerful bit of writing I have seen on the subject of Mataji's antecedents.
This post was written September, 2009. There have been no subsequent posts since then.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 17 Aug 2011 02:28

Jarita wrote:^^^ The problem is that SSwamy does not connect the dots and draw logical conclusions. I believe that his information is accurate but it usually comes out of nowhere.

His sources are from inside

This opus dei information is good and Indian public needs to get aware of the secret organizations of the west.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 17 Aug 2011 02:41

^^^ Interesting agencies that come to fore in addition to the Opus Dei are
- Norwegian intelligence - the author draws the direct connection between NIS and LTTE and who may have ordered a hit job on our PM 1984-1989. There is very little known about this agency even though they were active with LTTE.
- Also the connection between Opus Dei and the Punjab terrorism problem which makes sense because if you want to break a non-believer nation then allying with any group trying to break it (irrespective of whether one would be against value system of group) makes sense
- Also, the author alludes to several connections throughout the write-up - if said person is connected to Opus Dei/intelli wing (based upon all the evidence stated - family connections etc) and Opus Dei/intelli wing has been connected to the Punjab terrorists and LTTE then one point of convergence is visible

The story between the lines is very clear but the author just states the facts. Additionally, nothing came out after this blog post even though the author writes that it is a 3 part series. I wonder if the author is still with us?

ManjaM · Post by **ManjaM** » 17 Aug 2011 03:13

From the link by Jarita Saheb, Any idea who this person is

He was a very powerful member of what was then known to the media as “kitchen cabinet” and had also been described as a “power broker of the highest degree” by many media houses and visiting dignitaries. There was no reason to suspect any mal-intentions in him, as he was also known to be very close to Mr Rajiv Gandhi (unlike some members of the “kitchen cabinet” who had a turf war with the junior Gandhi). Post assassination there was a bit of a stir in the media about the same gentleman followed by hush-hush events. We in the intelligence were also surprised to know about his strong linkages with certain Western intelligence agencies. Nothing really happened after that for quite some time and Mr Rajiv Gandhi only restored the same gentleman back in his team with full honours and the whole episode was laid to rest. But the biggest revelation to the intelligence wings came a little later (and was not accorded much importance at that time). Unlike media perceptions that the said gentleman belonged to the Rajiv Gandhi coterie and to the “kitchen cabinet”, he actually owed both his positions and his re-instatement into the inner circles of power after the assassination of Mrs Gandhi to a certain Mrs Sonia Gandhi!

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 17 Aug 2011 21:36

justice foundation
this is a pro paki kashmir website based in ukstan.
this has --

The Round Table Working Group on Kashmir

John Cushnahan Chairman Ireland
Nazir A Shawl Executive Director JFKC GB
Ed Garcia International Alert GB
Andy Carl Conciliation Resources GB

Harsh Mander Centre for Equity Studies India

Brian Cox International Centre for
Religion and Diplomacy USA
Brendan McAllister Mediation Northern Ireland NI
Ian White Glencree Ireland
Michael Hammer One World Trust GB

Martin Salter MP Member of Parliament GB
Mushahid Syed Pakistan Senate Pakistan
Zulfiqar Ali Councillor and JP GB

Zafar Khan Metropolitan University GB

Tahir Aziz Conciliation Resources GB

UK MPs had links with ISI-funded think-tank

India has protested against the British 'All-Party Parliamentary Group on Kashmir' being hand-in-glove with Justice Foundation, one of the three think-tanks funded by Pakistan's ISI along with Ghulam Nabi Fai's Kashmir American Council. The third one is in Brussels.

can Indian interests be protected by these scums inside the goi.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Aug 2011 23:32

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-develo ... aid-agency
India to create central foreign aid agencyIndia is to set up a new central agency to manage foreign aid in a bid to curb corruption and prevents delays in aid delivery

s to set up a central foreign aid agency to prevent funds from being misused and delays in aid delivery .India's aid commitments have soared in recent years as the country seeks to improve its strategic, political and economic clout on the world stage, especially as China extends its hand.The agency will reportedly be called the Indian Agency for Partnership in Development, overseeing $11.3bn (Rs 50,000 crore) over the next five to seven years.

Gopalaswami Parthasarathy, a former diplomat and member of the Centre for Policy Research said an agency is urgently needed, as one person currently handles aid to Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Maldives and Burma. "How can you have one joint secretary to deal with aid to some of our biggest recipients? He would have political and diplomatic work to conduct too," he said.
The agency will have to ensure quick decision-making and insulate aid from political considerations if it is to deliver aid effectively. Experts say that India's legal framework monitoring government procurement should be strengthened to boost accountability and to prevent it from falling prey to corruption.
The concerns over aid management are timely. Earlier this year, the government auditor revealed that $22.6bn (Rs 1 lakh crore) in foreign aid given to India was lying unused due to poor planning by various ministries.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 17 Aug 2011 23:43

a good move. but in the current administration, the funds might actually be used to fund useless Psecs "nominated" organizations that actually work against India....only time will tell. either this creates a new paradigm of thinking by creating the concept of a "separate" foreign aid agency to propagate Indian interests, or it will be the same old story will funding for nefarious purposes. let us wait and see.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 18 Aug 2011 01:27

This is a opportune moment for Pakistan to wage a surprise attack on India. The political turmoil in India,the economic tailspin in US and Europe can be a huge advantage for Pakistan in coming days. I dont have doubts on our Armed forces but we still take command from a civilian leader. I hope we got that covered.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 18 Aug 2011 04:20

Here is a case where MMS is retiring current Army chief one year ahead. The government is hell bent on retiring the current Army Chief. The next Army chief Lt Gen Bikram Singh has a Daughter in law directly from land of pure. If MMS government allow Gen. V.K.Singh for one more year there will be only nine months remaining for Lt Gen Bikram Singh.

So we are bringing in a direct enemy's relative as India's Army chief next year.

Here is ETv Rajasthan news:

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 18 Aug 2011 07:47

Altair wrote:This is a opportune moment for Pakistan to wage a surprise attack on India. The political turmoil in India,the economic tailspin in US and Europe can be a huge advantage for Pakistan in coming days. I dont have doubts on our Armed forces but we still take command from a civilian leader. I hope we got that covered.

No Altair garu,

A bigger threat comes from Moist+EJ groups.