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arun wrote:Granted an inexact fit for this thread but nonetheless X Posting as it is a peripheral matter.
Note the mention of BR Webmaster Jagan in this article by Pakistani newspaper, the News, on the shooting down of a civilian aircraft by the Pakistani Air Force during the 1965 War:
arun wrote:Granted an inexact fit for this thread but nonetheless X Posting as it is a peripheral matter.
Note the mention of BR Webmaster Jagan in this article by Pakistani newspaper, the News, on the shooting down of a civilian aircraft by the Pakistani Air Force during the 1965 War:
He notes the Beechcraft pilot waggled his wings in surrender yet he shot is down under orders.
Just a murderer seeking solace for his act.
I have no sympathy for him. He could have escorted the plane to a forced landing.
Also shows the early jihadi turn of the fizzle ya shown later by their senior officers.
Ramana sir, as much as I agree with you, you know as well as me that in the forces an order is an order. As much as I hate the act, I still appreciate his effort to write ... afterall, he could have lived perfectly well without any action ... he was young and followed orders ... Suppose he had not shot and flown back home ... It would not have been pretty for him from then onwards.
I hate PAF for this dastardly act ... I can't blame the pilot much though.
MoD should not have take an extreme step to shoot down approaches laid by the forces, instead made them more part of the processes. Instead of taking the helmsmanship, they could have been a local CAG unit, and given the roles of business liaison and get to finding the loopholes most public sectors carry.
well.. deaf ears I guess, if we think about process improvements.. politics and CYAs kicks in and preempts everything else.
Does anyone have any ode a when the first of the IAF's (initial) batch of Mil-17V helicopters are going to be delivered to India??!! I mean it was said that they would be delivered by the "First quarter of 2011" it is now AUGUST and still no sign of the helicopters or any news on the reason behind the delay. Another Russian mess-up. Deal for SOAR IAF C-130-30j Super Hercules were signed in 2008, two years later the first unit was delivered- EARLY! with the rest following in (very) quick succession, I believe the 3rd has already made its way to India with the remainder to be delivered by year-end. Now that's service, if Russia can't match that then under capitalistic competion it should get any deals.
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The Block III takes the current Block II version and updates it to 21st century technology, according to the US Army. The Army's Redstone Test Centre put the Block III version through its paces before an interested audience. It is likely that this is the version that may have been offered to India for its tender for 22 attack choppers.
Apache Block III programme manager Lt Col Dan Bailey said the new version incorporates lots of new features, a 25 per cent increase in power, and features Modular Force Connectivity achieved through global information system grid connections. The new Apache also features Level IV Unmanned Aircraft System (UAS) control, new extended range sensors and weapons, and reduced pilot workload through the use of cognitive decision aiding technologies. The version also reduces the weight of the rotorcraft by hundreds of pounds and offers greatly improved cruise speed. Block III will be able to operate at 6,000 feet and reach a top speed of 164 knots, about 20 knots faster than the Block II version, as well as achieve an out-of-ground effect hover at an air temperature of 95 degrees with a full mission payload.
"This is a game changing aircraft," Lt Col Bailey said. "Besides the increase in top speed, it will turn faster and tighter, more like a sports car than a sedan." The aircrafts new cognitive decision making technologies make the helicopter easier to fly, reducing pilot stress, and allowing the pilot to focus more on situational awareness. "Everything is automated. It really saves pilot effort," said Lt Col Bailey. Lt Col Bailey said the Block III has finished limited user testing, and the aircraft is now in its workload assessment for training. "We're testing its airworthiness, making sure it performs as designed," he said.
The Block III programme adds a major development in aerial combat – the ability for the Apache pilot to communicate with unmanned aerial vehicles and remotely control their flight paths and weapons systems. Boeing director of business development for army aviation programmes, Ray Handy, said this allows Apache pilots to make kills without being anywhere in the enemy's vicinity. "It uses what we call Level of Operability 4, which gives you the ability to take operational control of the UAV and its sensor," Handy explained. PEO Aviation expects to field the first Block III Apaches sometime in 2012, with complete fielding of 56 platforms scheduled for FY 2013.
some of the block3 stuff like uav control and better control network is useless for us, both engine power increase and lighter airframe is always welcome.
An Indian Air Force helicopter crashed near Bommarasipet village of Shamirpet on the city outskirts, nearly 40 kms from Hyderabad, on Monday.
The Cyberabad Police Commissioner, Ch. Dwaraka Tirumala Rao, said a lone pilot flying the copter suffered injuries and was shifted to hospital. “Our policemen started for the place where the copter crashed. Reasons for the crash and details of injured persons would be known only after examining the spot,” he said.
In a daring rescue mission, pilots of Leh based 114 Helicopter Unit evacuated two foreign nationals, Kristina Chnapekova (Slovakian) and Valasske Mezrici (Czech) from higher reaches of Padam valley in Zanskar ranges of Ladakh region on August 22, 2011.
Providing a rare insight into the AESA radar development, Phazotron-NIIR Corporation General Designer Yuri Guskov said during the MAKS 2011 exhibition recently that his company had continued development of the radar despite the Indian setback. “There was not a single criticism of our radar. Despite a certain bias on the part of the Indian evaluation pilots, their overall appraisal of the radar was very favourable. Everyone loved the extremely maintenance-friendly design, which allows for easy dismantling and reinstallation of the radar in the field”, he said during a media interaction during the show.
The radar had a detection range of 250 km while the Indian tender specified only 130 km, he said adding that his was a true multimode radar, with assorted mapping and target recognition capabilities. It will be fitted into the MiG 35 fighter which the Russian MOD had decided to order. In addition, the radar would be offered as an upgrade for the newly built MIG 29 fighters, and for retrofitting those aircraft already in operation. No airframe changes are required, he added.
Yuri Guskov said what made the AESA radar suitable for all types of aircraft and helicopters was that it operated on a low voltage and was light and easy to install which meant lower onboard power requirement. “Transmitters from previous generation radars operate from voltage of 18 kV to 30 KV. Such high voltages require specific materials, structural configuration and operational procedures. An AESA radar runs on a mere 30 V to 10 V. This low power requirement combined with a much lower weight than mechanically scanned radars, means it can be used in helicopters such as the KA 27 and KA 52K shipborne attack helicopters increasing detection range to 200 kms.
Further development was on to make the AESA radar suitable for helicopters. “The challenge here is to reduce the weight to less than 50 KGs. We are doing this by reducing the thickness of the radar’s array from 170 mm to 50 MM. A phased array radar will allow helicopters to use medium range guided munitions such as anti-ship missiles”, he added.
Is this true that in 1998 ...near revolt occured by engineering n technical officers in IAF about their pays n responsbilities in IAF ..anyboby heard about Wing Commander K.R. Nagesh ???
^^^Yes, there was considerable ruckus post the implementation of then Pay Commission. Things had turned really really ugly. And many from technical+other wings did behave in a manner unbecoming of the officers/airmen.They held the flying branch - which has men in all the deicision making roles, including the Chief, responsible for the disparity. It was a case of blue-on-blue.
^^^ Read sme articles Mr . Vats n my understanding raises some questions .....is this true .that in practice ...IAF techies are not given importance as per their their flying counterparts ...For eg..flying officers are considered for their first promotion three years ahead of others...station commands are only given to the fliers.... engineering and technical officers in the IAF are not 'treated well....most of the IAF policies are made by and for fighter pilots....
What shocks me the most that ..rather than addressing the issue ...they manhandle the guys who point it out ..the force that relies on latest tech. mistreats their own assets ??
Well, I don't know what is your source of information (I hope it is not Outlook) but certain thiings need to be seem in context.
Pilots are the top dog in the entire matrix of IAF. Let there be no ambiguity about it. The entire AF, whether in India or abroad, revolves around them. Even in this pyramid, the fighter pilots are the spear tip. So, it is but obvious that the IAF is shaped by these men. This is not to belittle other elements in the IAF but a statement of facts. But the immideate trigger was not this - this has been and will remain the norm. It was the increment in the flying allowance of Pilots - with that of Fighter Pilots>Transport>Helicopters. This led to disparity in the payment and you had what you read.
Most, if not all, operational commands are with fighter pilots and as are bases. There are certain anomalies in this which need to be corrected - for example, the CO of a Missile Squadron is a Fighter Pilot - this when they have a dedicated stream of people in IAF for AD role.
As far as the promotion goes, the same is generally uniform but then there might be pecularities. Having said that, all this talk of mistreatment and unfair play is hogwash...for example, unlike the IA, the JCO/Other ranks in IA are mostly from technical/science background and well read. The atmosphere in IAF is far relaxed as compared to IA. No helpers or sahayaks for IAF officers and very limited organic transport.
Coming to 'punishment' part - well, I don't know what the concerned person did - but there were cases of stoning the base commander's, men from technical branch airing their grievances on air on international frequencies, gheraoing the senior officers and sloganeering etc. So, if the concered officer was involved in any of the above or instigated the same, he deserves what he got and some more.
mig-21 at MOFTU/OCU. I think this means there would be no fresh training of new pilots. the existing pilots would fly the mig-21 till they(the mig-21's) retire.
The radar had a detection range of 250 km while the Indian tender specified only 130 km, he said adding that his was a true multimode radar, with assorted mapping and target recognition capabilities. It will be fitted into the MiG 35 fighter which the Russian MOD had decided to order. In addition, the radar would be offered as an upgrade for the newly built MIG 29 fighters, and for retrofitting those aircraft already in operation. No airframe changes are required, he added.
Hmm if it is this good and ready, why is it not a part of the iaf 29 upgrade ? Or the plan is to make iaf spend again on radar upgrades in two years ?? Is this a pitch for Mi 28 ?
Craig Alpert wrote:No better way of collecting military intelligence than a good ole trecking mission!
Are you following the case of the two Americans who were on trekking mission right on the border between Iran and Iraq AND ....... strayed over.... ooops
New Delhi, Sep 1 (IANS) India needs to learn from China not to attempt all military research and development itself and instead get key technologies from abroad, Indian Air Force (IAF) chief Norman Anil Kumar Browne said Thursday. ‘One thing that one could learn from them is that they don’t attempt to do everything themselves,’ Air Chief Marshal Browne told reporters on the sidelines of an event here.
He said though India did not have direct evidence, it still knew that China ‘got a fair amount of technology from outside’ despite sanctions. In India, ‘you start the research and development, and then wait and wait. Then you make it the test-tube model and it takes you 20-30 years,’ he said.
