Indian Army: News & Discussion

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 22 Sep 2011 12:43

Quite possibly. There is hardly any news on the Dhruv, and it would be nice to see a more factual and detailed video on it (minus the horrible 1980s publicity music), which shows what the bird can really do. I for one would be quite interested in seeing it. The army seems to be very pleased with their new aviation asset.

And I would say that the bravery of the ordinary jawans and their officers in this terrible time needs more publicising, Chacko.

NDTV reported how two senior officers of the ranks of Brigadier were surveying the damage by air, when they saw some ITBP jawans signalling for help. They, the two brigadiers, jumped off the (Chetak) helicopter, from seven ft above the ground, and made room for the injured.

They then hiked through wilderness for several kilometers back towards their destination, until they were picked up by air.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 22 Sep 2011 12:51

Dunno where the article went, but I guess it was Air Force news so I think CJ removed it from here. Still, it was good to hear that someone wants to thank the IAF pilots who went out of their way to save the lives of American hikers.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 22 Sep 2011 13:08

This is from the Rediff article about NDA's camp rover... HILARIOUS!

As fun as The Great Escape is to both the cadets and the officers, it has a larger and a far more serious purpose.

Cadets are dropped at an undisclosed location in the middle of the night and are asked to find their way back to the base camp without any navigational devices.

Along the way, officers set up ambushes and intercept the cadets.

The ones who are caught are given a taste of what life would be if an enemy party were to lay their hands on them.

While all the other exercises have strict set of dos and don'ts The Great Escape has none. The idea is, well, to escape with whatever means possible.

How you get back is never an issue, as long as the officers don't catch you or like Colonel Limaye, in his day, you haven't stolen the commanding officer's jonga jeep and driven past every single ambush with officers saluting you.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 22 Sep 2011 13:16

ASPuar wrote:Dunno where the article went, but I guess it was Air Force news so I think CJ removed it from here. Still, it was good to hear that someone wants to thank the IAF pilots who went out of their way to save the lives of American hikers.

It's in Chacko joseph's corner and Indian Military Aviation. I posted in wrong thread.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 22 Sep 2011 16:31

ASPuar wrote:And I would say that the bravery of the ordinary jawans and their officers in this terrible time needs more publicising, Chacko.

Army men save a woman's life amidst car rubble in Gangtok

Indian Army's aviation and medical corps continue reaching out to people in Sikkim

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 22 Sep 2011 19:18

God bless these wonderful souls who are engaged in the rescue missions.

kunalverma · Post by **kunalverma** » 22 Sep 2011 20:32

I had the privilage of flying with these boys in April this year, especially in North Sikkim. It's easily one of the most difficult areas to fly in. Even on a clear day, visibility around the Teesta gorge is poor. As per SOP, all choppers have to clear Alpha Bravo (Coronation Bridge) by 1200 hrs. Further up, beyong Lachen, the helicopter gets tossed around like a shuttlecock due to downdrafts and treacherous winds. A Dhruv went down near the Shiv Temple in end-April. With the road to and beyond Mangan completely destroyed, our fly boys are the only hope. Let's say a prayer to keep them safe!

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 22 Sep 2011 21:24

Brilliant pics. Thanks, CJ

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 22 Sep 2011 21:25

Are the Army Dhruvs already equipped with more powerful engines (Shakti)? Has this already begun? It would help a lot in such high alt operations.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 22 Sep 2011 22:29

^^^^ Shakti is not yet in. The pics are MoD courtesy as mentioned in the article.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 23 Sep 2011 09:02

Has the Dhruv Mark III not yet been inducted then? What is the likely date that the choppers will start having the Shaktis installed?

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 23 Sep 2011 09:04

Chacko, would you consider doing a feature on Army Aviation? Not just the machines (though it would be good to have some news on those too, and what future plans for inductions and force structure are), but also the men, and how exactly do infantrymen/artillerymen/engineers end up becoming pilots in Army Avn?

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 23 Sep 2011 09:10

AFAIK, the first of the MarkIII birds were inducted around Aero India 2011, so they might still be concentrated in the Leh and Siachen regions and have not been deployed to the NE regions yet..

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 23 Sep 2011 09:19

I see... and these were equipped with the new engines? What was the evaluation of their performance, post installation of the new engines? Are there any plans for up-engineing the other aircraft?

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 23 Sep 2011 09:33

This article from india defence online states that the upengined dhruvs have flown for about 400 hours after they modified the Integrated dynamic system without any glitches..

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 23 Sep 2011 10:07

ASPuar,

Shakti is yet to be qualified. Prototypes have been flying.

On the trip to Army Aviation, are you offering me to do it or you want me to ask permission from IA and then go there and do it. Cause, the second method is something that I will be looking at next year and now. Its a long drawn process.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 23 Sep 2011 10:26

kunalverma wrote:I had the privilage of flying with these boys in April this year, especially in North Sikkim. It's easily one of the most difficult areas to fly in. Even on a clear day, visibility around the Teesta gorge is poor. As per SOP, all choppers have to clear Alpha Bravo (Coronation Bridge) by 1200 hrs. Further up, beyong Lachen, the helicopter gets tossed around like a shuttlecock due to downdrafts and treacherous winds. A Dhruv went down near the Shiv Temple in end-April. With the road to and beyond Mangan completely destroyed, our fly boys are the only hope. Let's say a prayer to keep them safe!

Shiv temple is Lachung axis right? The Dhruv that went down apparently could be seen from the road itself (that goes from Lachung to Yumthang to Zero point and beyond). Luckily it was able to be located pretty quickly.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 23 Sep 2011 13:30

^^^Been traveling around, my freind? Why not do a short wrtie-up on area and infra and general impression?

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 23 Sep 2011 14:29

I'm not sure what I can write and what I cannot. Need to check with some folks, will get back on this.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 23 Sep 2011 16:07

Shakti is very well liked by the Army and AF. The Dhruv is a world beater. Which makes me think that once the Ge414 gets onto the LCA we will have an amazing product on our hands, the plane is already receiving rave reviews from pilots thanks to its handling, maneuverability and avionics.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 23 Sep 2011 16:36

ASPuar wrote:Chacko, would you consider doing a feature on Army Aviation? Not just the machines (though it would be good to have some news on those too, and what future plans for inductions and force structure are), but also the men, and how exactly do infantrymen/artillerymen/engineers end up becoming pilots in Army Avn?

Sir, you have the wrong idea. I am a civilian onlee, just like you, and dont have any powers to send you anywhere.. But Id be glad to see a story on Army avn, and its machines. It was just an idea.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 23 Sep 2011 16:42

ASPuar wrote:Quite possibly. There is hardly any news on the Dhruv, and it would be nice to see a more factual and detailed video on it (minus the horrible 1980s publicity music), which shows what the bird can really do. I for one would be quite interested in seeing it. The army seems to be very pleased with their new aviation asset.

have you watched the natgeo mission army episode on AAC ? it's on youtube.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 23 Sep 2011 21:32

Bala Vignesh wrote:AFAIK, the first of the MarkIII birds were inducted around Aero India 2011, so they might still be concentrated in the Leh and Siachen regions and have not been deployed to the NE regions yet..

Correct Bala, Check the # on the bird, anything with IA-113X and higher is a ALH Druv Mark-III. These have been deployed per-dominantly in Leh-Siachen sector but could have been moved to Sikkim for quake-relief.
I have a quick pooch, who pays for the expense incurred by defense forces during disaster relief operations? does MOD have to dip into its funds to do these heroics?

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 23 Sep 2011 21:37

Shrinivas sir,
I am SWAGing here, but i believe these are covered under the prime minister's national disaster relief fund.. Could be wrong..
And in any event the forces have these kind if exigencies covered in their budgeting if i am right..

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 23 Sep 2011 22:04

Bala Vignesh wrote:Shrinivas sir,
I am SWAGing here, but i believe these are covered under the prime minister's national disaster relief fund.. Could be wrong..
And in any event the forces have these kind if exigencies covered in their budgeting if i am right..

I too hope so, frequent deployment of Armed forces in disaster relief can negatively impact men and material. This will get complicated if Services have to dip into their kitty to fund these. PM and CMs disaster funds are more to hand out doles and not enough to fund disaster relief and recovery ops.

nelson · Post by **nelson** » 23 Sep 2011 23:56

^^ In general the aid to civil authority in the form of disaster relief is at the cost of State Govt and is not paid out of Defense Service Estimates. The expenditure is reimbursed ex post facto and the accounts are subject to audit.
In operational area and in case of damage to civil/public infrastructure affecting operational plans the case is dealt with differently.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 24 Sep 2011 01:37

Rahul M wrote: have you watched the natgeo mission army episode on AAC ? it's on youtube.

Yup, seen them all. Theyre good. But itd be great to see something in more detail than just a few minutes on each helicopter!

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Sep 2011 16:10

AN ARTICLE REGARDING Gen VK Singh which was published in the Governance magazine

Govt's stand on Army chief row is untenable

Never before in independent India has a serving Army chief been embroiled in such a controversy involving his personal integrity
SANJEEV SIROHI | NEW DELHI | SEPTEMBER 15 2011

It is most despicable and obnoxious to see that a serving Army Chief of the eminence of Gen VK Singh who has an impeccable, distinguished service record by dint of which he has risen to the highest rank and is reputed as a man of very strong principles is treated so contemptuously by our government that is beyond comprehension and is most unfortunate. It is not just Gen VK Singh alone, but the august office of Army Chief which has been dragged in a needless controversy. Never before in independent India has a serving Army Chief been embroiled in such an unsavoury controversy involving his personal integrity.
No person of his stature will tolerate being indirectly called a liar on age issue and very rightly so.
At the outset, let me clarify that I hold no brief for Gen VK Singh, COAS but as an enlightened citizen, I am hugely dismayed by the needless current controversy over Army Chief's age row. Let me put few pertinent questions straightway : First, what is Gen VK Singh's date of birth (DOB) in Matriculation Certificate which is universally accepted as the biggest authentic age proof of any individual? Obviously, it is 10 May 1951 as Gen VK Singh claim and not 10 May 1950 as government wrongly claims.
Secondly, what is the DOB of Gen VK Singh in all his service records, confidential reports and Adjutant General (AG) Branch which is the last word on all army records and legal matters? Again, it is 10 May 1951.
Thirdly, even in all service records of his father who retired as Lieutenant Colonel from the Army, what is Gen VK Singh's DOB? Again, it is 10 May 1951.
Fourthly, what is Gen VK Singh's DOB in the Military Hospital at Pune where he was born? Again, it is 10 May 1951.
Fifthly, what is Gen VK Singh's DOB as confirmed on police verification? Again, it is 10 May 1951.
Sixthly, what is his DOB as recorded in all school certificate? Again, it is 10 May 1951.
Seventhly, what is his DOB as recorded by six Promotion Boards in Army to reach the rank of Lieutenant General? Again, it is 10 May 1951.
Eighthly, what is his DOB as recorded by AG Branch officially responsible for handling all Army records pertaining to age and legal matters and is final word on all such matters?
Again, it is 10 May 1951.
Ninthly, what is his DOB as recorded in Voters Cards, PAN Card, Passport and Driving Licence? Again, it is 10 May 1951 in all of them.
Tenthly, can only age as erroneously filled by a teacher BS Bhatnagar when Gen VK Singh was a minor in a UPSC application form for NDA even though Bhatnagar himself was gracious enough to admit later that it was solely his fault and again on this very groundless basis alone was wrongly entered by Military Secretary (MS) Branch in its records be considered the sole criteria in deciding the Army Chief's age as the government has done now?
Certainly not. Last but not the least, if Gen VK Singh's Headmaster had wrongly filled in 1952 or 1962 as his DOB, would the government still have accepted it.
Whom is the government trying to bluff?
When Gen VK Singh was considered for promotion to Lt Gen by Promotion Board, his DOB was 10 May 1951. But in proposal for appointment of Corps Commander, Army Commander and COAS, it was shown as 10 May 1950, by MS Branch intentionally (at the behest of two former Military Secretaries), which clearly depicts that there is more to it than meets the eye.
While our government has just no compunction in granting repeated extensions to civil servants but sticks its neck out in denying Gen VK Singh even his normal tenure! And that too on very flimsy grounds not legally tenable on any score! At a time when government's reputation in combating corruption is already in tatters, it has not covered itself in glory by denying a thoroughly upright, dedicated and highly competent Army Chief of the calibre of Gen VK Singh, who incidentally is also the first trained Commando to be Army Chief and is reputed to have taken head-on all corrupt and inefficient Armymen even his normal tenure, leave alone the question of granting him a well-deserved extension which most unfortunately has been reserved exclusively only for head nodding civil servants! Even prior to becoming Army Chief, he had taken head-on senior corrupt army officers from minting money illegally, many of whom are facing severe disciplinary action. It is not for nothing that three former Chief Justices of Supreme Court including justice JS Verma have stoutly upheld Gen VK Singh's claim as legitimate and worthy to be fully endorsed.
An eminent advocate of Supreme Court Daljeet Singh some time back rightly posed a question in a discussion show in a news channel and hammered home the driving point that "If Gen VK Singh's Headmaster had wrongly filled in 1952 as his date of birth, would the government still have accepted it? It is only age as contained in Matriculation Certificate which serves as the biggest proof of age which cannot be bulldozed by anything else."
The government's highly questionable act in relying wholly on MS Branch on the question of Gen VK Singh's age which is no one to comment on such legal matters and ignoring entirely the AG Branch which is officially authorized in all legal matters of Army has put it under a big scanner and many have lambasted it as it is bound to lower the image of Army, affect adversely the morale of all rank and file of Armymen as everyone knows that Gen VK Singh who has an upright image with impeccable service record is being coerced to be a sacrificial lamb to be edged out much before his actual term is completed on specious grounds having no legal authority and which is just not legally tenable.
It is not a case of change of date of birth as Gen VK Singh never asked for it but has been wrongly projected so in a large section of the media most unfortunately. It is a case of correction of a mistake made by the organisation. Therefore, in all fairness, officer must be given his due.
All this certainly cannot be brushed aside!

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 24 Sep 2011 18:33

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?278421

well well according Maj Gen Bakshi it seems our golf loving, work 2 hrs a day JJ Singh started this whole debacle
and to think at one time people had high hopes for JJ. sigh..

No wonder there is no time to figure out arty, and other needs - with such retards becoming army chief

How did this whole unseemly controversy begin? It dates back to 2006 when the then army chief, Gen J.J. Singh, decided to set his line of succession two or three chiefs down as per his personal predilections. It was during this exercise that the disparity in records of Gen V.K. Singh’s DoB held with the military secretary’s (MS) branch and the AG’s branch came to light. A look at the charter of duty of the two branches clearly indicates that it is the latter which is the designated custodian of officers’ records. The AG branch had correctly recorded the general’s date of birth as May 10, 1951. The MS Branch (despite receiving a copy of the officer’s matriculation certificate in 1971) failed to correct its records. In 1974, it published the army list showing Gen V.K. Singh’s DoB as May 10, 1950, and has since obdurately and incorrectly stuck to its flawed stance. It is also responsible for misguiding and misinforming the MoD. Of course, it was equally incumbent upon the ministry to seek legal advice at that stage itself to resolve the controversy well before Gen V.K. Singh became an army commander and then the army chief. Instead, Gen J.J. Singh tried his best to exploit Gen V.K. Singh’s vulnerable position and virtually ordered him to accept 1950 as his year of birth or face the consequences of disobedience! A pained and baffled Lt Gen V.K. Singh complied, but with express reservations in writing. The same exercise was repeated in 2008 when he was elevated to the army chief’s office. The MoD ordered an inquiry that was never held. It’s a brand new concept of justice based not on facts and competence but the personal likes and dislikes and manipulative chains of succession worked out by the ministry.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Sep 2011 19:03

Surya wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?278421

well well according Maj Gen Bakshi it seems our golf loving, work 2 hrs a day JJ Singh started this whole debacle
and to think at one time people had high hopes for JJ. sigh..

No wonder there is no time to figure out arty, and other needs - with such retards becoming army chief

How did this whole unseemly controversy begin? It dates back to 2006 when the then army chief, Gen J.J. Singh, decided to set his line of succession two or three chiefs down as per his personal predilections. It was during this exercise that the disparity in records of Gen V.K. Singh’s DoB held with the military secretary’s (MS) branch and the AG’s branch came to light. A look at the charter of duty of the two branches clearly indicates that it is the latter which is the designated custodian of officers’ records. The AG branch had correctly recorded the general’s date of birth as May 10, 1951. The MS Branch (despite receiving a copy of the officer’s matriculation certificate in 1971) failed to correct its records. In 1974, it published the army list showing Gen V.K. Singh’s DoB as May 10, 1950, and has since obdurately and incorrectly stuck to its flawed stance. It is also responsible for misguiding and misinforming the MoD. Of course, it was equally incumbent upon the ministry to seek legal advice at that stage itself to resolve the controversy well before Gen V.K. Singh became an army commander and then the army chief. Instead, Gen J.J. Singh tried his best to exploit Gen V.K. Singh’s vulnerable position and virtually ordered him to accept 1950 as his year of birth or face the consequences of disobedience! A pained and baffled Lt Gen V.K. Singh complied, but with express reservations in writing. The same exercise was repeated in 2008 when he was elevated to the army chief’s office. The MoD ordered an inquiry that was never held. It’s a brand new concept of justice based not on facts and competence but the personal likes and dislikes and manipulative chains of succession worked out by the ministry.

Sardar JJ parlayed his position into a cushy governorship.

These things require a great deal of quid pro quoing.

The chances that next touted incumbent is heavily connected politically is taking on larger than life possibilities.

And JJ had the the ability to avoid landmines by knowing where the bodies were buried and who did the burying.

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 24 Sep 2011 19:04

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=76204

Pallam Raju Launches DRDO Developed Performance Enhancing Drug for High-Altitude Areas

The Minister of State for Defence Dr M M Pallam Raju launched a composite herbal formulation named ‘Perfomax’ that has been developed by DRDO and has been found to improve physical and mental performance in High Altitude and Hypoxic Conditions at a function held in Leh, Ladakh today. The formulation is rich in antioxidants and other bioactive compounds that improve performance of brain, heart, kidney and lungs and improves blood circulation.

He also inaugurated a Conference on “Emerging Trends in Food and Health Security in Cold Deserts”, orgainsed by the Leh-based Defence Institute of High Altitude Research (DIHAR), a frontier laboratory of DRDO. Speaking on the occasion Dr. Pallam Raju called for rigorous extension activities in collaboration with the State Departments to ensure that the agro-animal technologies developed by the DRDO reach the farmers even in the remotest locations. He also lauded the DIHAR for promoting Solar Energy to provide energy security in the region.

In his address Dr William Selvamurthy, Chief Controller R&D (Life Sciences), DRDO stressed on the need for increasing the vegetable production in the cold deserts to an extent of creating a self-sustainable system with minimal dependency on the plains for fresh food and dairy products. Dr R B Srivastava, Director, DIHAR listed the initiatives taken by DIHAR to augment the agro-animal productivity in the trans-Himalayan region that has resulted in increased local production of fresh vegetables, meat, poultry and dairy products in the region. Shri Rigzin Spalbar, Chief Executive Councillor, Ladakh Autonomous Hill Development Council (LAHDC) lauded the scientists of DIHAR for their relentless efforts in educating the farmers on advanced agro-animal technologies that has resulted in increased production of vegetables in Ladakh.

Dr Pallam Raju later released a book entitled “Innovations in Agro-Animal Technologies” which is a compilation of the advanced agro-animal techniques pertaining to cold deserts. He also inaugurated a “Hall of Scientific Excellence” in DIHAR campus where all the technologies developed by DRDO will be showcased for the army and civilians.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 24 Sep 2011 20:50

Army brigade still cut off in quake-hit Sikkim

They are being supplied through the air only.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 25 Sep 2011 03:01

I have held for quite a while, that JJ Singh seems to me to have been a thoroughly useless chief. And he got what he deserved, being made Governor of a totally out of the way place. Some people have no shame.

Now what is the Government of India up to, and who is giving them this phenomenally bad advice on how to handle the higher management of defence?

Even lay observers like me can see the parallels to 62. No prizes for guessing that the panda is watching too!

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 25 Sep 2011 03:46

Army gets Rs 10,000 cr for infra devp in NE

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“We have been allotted Rs 9,000 crore only to develop infrastructure in the North East, besides the Rs 1,000 crore that we receive annually,” Lt Gen VK Narula, GOC of 101 Army headquarters responsible for logistic support, said, during a national seminar here.

He said the North East presents great challenge to engineers with its diverse terrain, geology and unavailability of skilled manpower. “The diversity of the region is a challenge for engineers. Therefore, no readymade solutions, but site-specific solutions are required for the region’s development,” Lt Gen Narula observed.
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chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Sep 2011 08:53

ASPuar wrote:I have held for quite a while, that JJ Singh seems to me to have been a thoroughly useless chief. And he got what he deserved, being made Governor of a totally out of the way place. Some people have no shame.

Now what is the Government of India up to, and who is giving them this phenomenally bad advice on how to handle the higher management of defence?

Even lay observers like me can see the parallels to 62. No prizes for guessing that the panda is watching too!

ASPuar sirjee,

The man is having the time of his life.

In many of these forward area states, the governor has tremendous powers and also control over vast amounts of virtually unaccounted funds.

He negotiated his way into this position. Remember how the governor of punjab was found with loads of cash after an aircrash??

The political masters having already set such a fine example, it will not be too difficult for smart people to read the situation!!

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 25 Sep 2011 09:46

Yup. He paved the way for the 6th CPC downgradation of military personnel. Part of his quid pro quo for his retirement package, which service officers are still suffering for. Useless. How such a dud became Chief I dont know. Even his predecessor, who sold himself for becoming Chairman NDMA. Useless. Service members should shun such a so called chief, and cold shoulder him after retirement.

The only recent General who set a proper example was Paddy, who refused a governorship, when offered, saying he was quite happy in retirement.

And the attempted hounding out of VKS is ample proof that whomsoever is waiting in the wings is a super dud.

GD Bakshis article makes it quite clear, that the media campaign is a desperate attempt to shame the General into retiring ignominiously, so that the govt gets its way, because legally it has no options.

Incidentally, I hope Sandip Unnithan gets sued for every last paisa he has.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 25 Sep 2011 10:36

CJ, what do you make of the refusal of:

A) Permission to construct a road in Sikkim to the border, especially given the current disaster, and the lack of redundancy in strategic roadways?

B ) Refusal of financial provision for raising a new corps?

Do you think the media should highlight it, given the belliegerence of the Chinese?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 25 Sep 2011 11:02

chetak wrote:The political masters having already set such a fine example, it will not be too difficult for smart people to read the situation!!

That is the fact of life , like i said before in this thread all top generals and admirals are well vetted by MOD and only the person they think is right for the job are allowed promotions to create a line of succession so in a way and by no small means the top Defence Services bosses should be grateful to MOD and in no small measure the chief too plays a role as they them self have become chief by this method.

Rewarding Governorship is quite routine and has become common now , the most blatant misuse of this power was seen when they rewarded Admiral Sureesh Mehta as India's High Commissioner to New Zealand few months after he left the position of Navy Chief , becuase he stood by the government during the Nuclear Bum crises and said on record that we have the big bum.

The MOD and Chief scratch each others back and they play tango with politician joining in.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 25 Sep 2011 11:10

ASPuar,

Just don't take this as my defence of MoD or any other.

We don't have enough road for regular economically viable roads. If you remember, the then Army Chief Manekshaw had differed the 1971 war for the need of farmers and transport of grains with the railways. IMO, they don't see an immediate need.

Unfortunately, this government is so bad that we common people have more pleasure in seeing them defeated and boxed. Take Anna Hazare, Army Chief's age row etc. We folks simply want the government to be defeated rather than make democracy work in an amicable manner.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 25 Sep 2011 11:16

I dont know if the issue is shortage of money. Theres plenty of money in India, as is quite evident by the size of scams detected every day. What do you think of the issue about the new corps?