Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 2011

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 Oct 2011 05:43

Paki engines are Khlas because of faluty Pistons, deteriorated by the dirty enviorenment and cant cope with the stress.The best solution is to use Indian Pistons in Poak-guuddis for a smooth ride.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 Oct 2011 05:45

Ramen wrote: Ah, first the Paki Army was one of the good guys, it was just the rogue ISI. Now ISI is also kosher, just one wing/section that is rogue. Soon it will be a small rogue group and then one rogue individual who is responsible for all the terrorism and barbarianism emanating from TSP just like Khan was one lone individual responsible for the nuclear smuggling. Have to give it to RAPE for trying and spinning this, but then again, the world brought it first time, so why not...

BTW, my first post (though I been lurker for a long time)... so warm greetings.

Welcome. That is interesting spin and I never thought of it that way actually. There was a downside in calling the ISI a "rogue entity" IMO. That gave the impression that the Pakistan army and the establishment were fine. As in everything in real life it is more complex. The ISI as an entity works for the army and establishment and they are all jihadi. There are elements within the ISI who are anti establishment - and that is what is now being spun as "rogue".

What Ijaz is doing is making the "bad Taliban-good Taliban" distinction inside the ISI. If you are against the Paki army/establishment you are either bad Taliban or rogue element in ISI. This is like the 0.000000000000000000006% of Pakistanis who voted for the Islamist parties in 500 million general elections held in Pakistan since its establishment 4 billion years ago.

Everything bad in Pakistan:
1. Is what the army/establishment does not like
2. Exists in Pakistan only in very minuscule amounts
3. Exists outside Pakistan in huge amounts, with India as leader of the dirty scum pack.

The day the US realises this about Pakistan
1. Pakistan is screwed.
2. The US will have lost most of its power and influence after being suckered and bled dry by Pakis.

Pakistan survives because the US has been suckered all these years. The US wants to be suckered by Pakistan because that is "in US interests" and the US works for its own interests.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 Oct 2011 06:32

A nearly 6 month old video that is still relevant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmTM6gyHxbo

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 12 Oct 2011 06:49

Dipanker wrote:
Sen_K wrote:Pakistan wants 50 Indian engines, Railways says no

A "technologically advanced" nation like Porkistan which makes its own high tech nukes and missiles is supposed to make relatively low tech rail engines, isn't it ?

Pakistan is a nation of 180 million and a nuclear power. It is not Iraq or Yugoslavia. Our engines will fight with honor or die with dignity!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Oct 2011 07:33

Sen_K wrote:Pakistan wants 50 Indian engines, Railways says no

One of the objections stated in the above report was

"Any commitment to Pakistan at this stage would mean a compromise on domestic requirement,” said Rajeev Mehrotra, managing director of Rail India Technical and Economic Services,

Now, it is another issue whether we do want to export railway engines to Pakistan or not. More than anything else, any such export must be viewed from a security perspective too. Anything that adds to the mobility of the PA may have to be discouraged.

Leaving that aside, if India does decide to export, one solution would be to export metre-gauge diesel locos modified into broad-gauge locos by Goldenrock Workshops at Trichy. That would not impact our domestic requirement and allow us to get rid of these junks as there is very little metre-gauge track left in the country anyway. Besides, for countries such as Myanmar, Sudan, Senegal, Mali, Pakistan and Mozambique, these would be good enough.

chilarai · Post by **chilarai** » 12 Oct 2011 07:38

If we ever export railway engines to pak we should do a gorshkov on them.
inflate price up 300% and add a 15 year delay !

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Oct 2011 07:48

TSP firms based on Lahori logic want to add apps to Indian low-cost tablet
In a spirit of friendship, no less.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 Oct 2011 07:55

Ki mai Jhooth Bolya

Pakistan court suspends death sentence for jihad murderer of governor who opposed blasphemy law

Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- A Pakistani court has suspended the death sentence of Mumtaz Qadri, a security guard who killed a liberal politician over the latter's remarks on the nation's controversial blasphemy law. "Qadri was provoked by the governor and should therefore be tried for murder, not an act of terror which is what he was tried for earlier" said his attorney Raja Shuja Ur Rehman in confirming the judge's decision.Earlier this month, a terror court in the garrison city of Rawalpindi, near Pakistan's capital, sentenced Qadri to death. The Islamabad High Court suspended the sentence Tuesday until the appeals process is complete....Police said Qadri, a policeman serving as a security guard for Punjab Gov. Salman Taseer, fatally shot him in a market in Islamabad on January 4 because of Taseer's remarks on Pakistan's controversial blasphemy law.Police said Qadri confessed to gunning down the man he was supposed to be protecting....Taseer, a successful businessman as well as politician, had said Pakistan's controversial blasphemy law is too harsh.The law makes it a crime punishable by death to insult Islam, the Quran or the Prophet Mohammed. The legislation has been criticized by some as being used to entrap minorities.

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 12 Oct 2011 07:56

Indian Army evacuating 93000 Pakistani Prisoners of War

[youtube]GDjfq-CQULk&feature=related[/youtube]

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 Oct 2011 08:01

If I Speak Out, 'They Will Kill Me'
Sadka of Killing Kaffirs by Busload

There is also fear. When I asked one elected official to comment, he said that if he spoke out, "they will kill me."Bisharat Rehmat didn't talk about the sentence either. And he stays clear of the blasphemy law. "If I have an argument with anyone, I walk away," he said. He fears that someone might invent a claim that he insulted Islam. The struggles of people like Mr. Rehmat can seem like a sideshow in a country where so much else has gone wrong. It is not a sideshow. While Pakistan is believed to be 95% Muslim, religious minorities are woven into the country. Moreover, the Muslim majority includes its own minority sects, like the 20% of Pakistanis who are Shiites. Just last week gunmen in Quetta shot up a busload of ethnic Hazaras, who are predominantly Shiite, killing 14. People who follow Sufi Muslim beliefs are also frequent targets of violence Mr. Rehmat, a laborer in a textile mill, lives off a narrow dirt lane in a simple white house with a Christmas wreath painted on an interior wall. His family has lived in Karachi for generations, a reminder of the city's diversity. When Pakistan became independent in 1947, Karachi was majority Hindu. Most Hindus were soon driven away, though some still worship at temples in the heart of the metropolis. Zoroastrians, followers of an ancient Persian faith, have been merchants in the city for generations. And the departing British colonial rulers left behind Christian institutions that remain part of the local culture. At the heart of the city is the white-domed tomb of Pakistan's founder, Karachi native Mohammed Ali Jinnah, who was Shiite. Jinnah gave a famous speech in Karachi in 1947, calling on his people to live as equal citizens, without regard to "color, caste or creed." Jinnah died a year later, however, and intolerance has intensified since the 1980s.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 Oct 2011 08:05

Pakistan Islamic rail woes

PAKISTAN Railways is a country unto itself — a large unmanageable country meekly trying to avoid a breakup. Yesterday’s edition of this paper carried three more ominous stories about the state of affairs in PR. For the second time in a fortnight, as many as 115 trains were suspended on Monday due to a shortage of locomotives. Then, it was reported that some 300 locomotives in the fleet were out of order. The third news report stated that the privatisation of PR workshops in Raiwind had cost the department Rs380m at a time when it was desperately in need of cash to survive. The workshop was earning Rs20m in annual profit before it was handed over to a PR subsidiary in the name of privatisation in 2001. Together, the three news items form a case for a rational approach where, instead of indulging in a romantic lament for the Pakistani train, prioritising a comprehensive remedial effort should be urged.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/10/12/pakistan-rail-woes.html

Here is Kaffir Ashok Kumar singing of IR
Rail Gaadi Rail Gaadi Chhuk Chhuk

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Oct 2011 08:07

Tightrope Act on the Durand Line - Anita Joshua in The Hindu

partha · Post by **partha** » 12 Oct 2011 08:21

chilarai wrote:If we ever export railway engines to pak we should do a gorshkov on them.
inflate price up 300% and add a 15 year delay !

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 Oct 2011 08:26

$2.5b under CSF pending with US
Kerry's carrort ,Price of Poak ghairat

ISLAMABAD-Secretary Finance Dr Waqar Masood Khan on Tuesday informed the Senate Standing Committee on Finance and Economic Affairs that US has to provide aid of $2.5 billion to Pakistan under Coalition Support Fund (CSF), as Islamabad did not get a single penny from Washington since December 2010.Briefing the Senate Standing Committee that met under Chairmanship of Senator Ahmad Ali, Secretary Finance said that positive developments were made regarding the disbursement of CSF to Pakistan during the recent visit of Finance Minister and his economic team to Washington. He also informed the committee that Pakistan would continue economic reforms despite saying goodbye to the International Monetary Fund’s standby programme as we got the support of our political leadership.‘We will approach IMF if we need it, as presently we did not require any financial help’, Dr Waqar added. The IMF team would visit Pakistan in November for discussion.Talking about World Bank, he said we did not get any fund from WB in recent past. However, he said that Pakistan has to return $1.2 billion as loan repayment in next few months. Dr Masood further said that government is achieving all economic targets including fiscal deficit during the so far period of the ongoing fiscal year. The fiscal deficit remained within the limits as it recorded at 1.1 per cent of the GDP during the first quarter (July-September) of the ongoing financial year 2011-2012. The target of fiscal deficit for the whole year is four per cent of the GDP

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Oct 2011 08:39

There are excess vowels in describing DJinnah,
He was a Shi(i)t(e).

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 Oct 2011 08:51

Poaki ,Teri Daily Thoki

WASHINGTON: Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Tuesday the United States is waging 'war' in Pakistan against militants.Speaking to an audience at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, the former CIA director pointed to a "complicated relationship" between Washington and Islamabad."And admittedly, there are a lot of reasons for that. We are fighting a war in their country," Panetta said. "They have in fact given us cooperation in the operations of trying to confront Al-Qaeda in (tribal areas)... And they continue to work with us."But he said the two countries had sharp disagreements over "the relations they maintain with some of the militant groups in that country." (AFP)

tejas · Post by **tejas** » 12 Oct 2011 09:58

Heart warming story from Poakistan. http://tribune.com.pk/story/271202/wani ... -year-old/

Please to read the comments after the article. Here is one gem:

Above of all, I appreciate the mother’s courage.
Such a marriage is absolutely against the shariah. One’s daughter cannot be given away in marriage unless she is above 6 years of age and the marriage cannot be consummated unless the bride has attained 9 years of age.
Let Pakistan be guided by the light of shariah.

Every time a new Poakistani is born, the average IQ ofthe world population takes a huge hit.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 12 Oct 2011 10:04

Tejas, my humble 2 cent opinion. That is a Kaffir doing Taqiyya on the Faithful.

tejas · Post by **tejas** » 12 Oct 2011 10:23

But Aditya, boss, the commentor was only describing the "perfect" actions of you know who.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 12 Oct 2011 12:54

Er... if India were to lease them the locomotives, do they have the fuel to run it? My suggestion is that we give them steam locos from junkyards and museums. They have HUGE deposits of coal no?

Wasn't Dong Feng the maker of locomotives? Do their make aircraft engines too?
I hope the Cheeni all weather fliend sends them similar engines for the bandars. Then they can claim to have shot down planes (better than 5 in less than 23 seconds) while playing with apps developed in Lahore for the Akash in their hangars.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 12 Oct 2011 15:23

"Casey Jones",give them our "steam locos"?Gadzooks old bean,these are heritage jewels costing godzillions! We have the world's oldest working steam locos which draw steam enthusiasts from all over the world.All that the Pakis will do is to get their ungodlies to blow them up just as they are doing with the NATO convoys!

But seriously,why aren't the Pakis all-weather friends,the Communist EDIT setting up the Paki railways? After all,they have the grand plan of a high speed rail link from Beijing to London through Asia.Is it that they very well know that their high speed Dragon Expresses will end up like the NATO convoys?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 12 Oct 2011 16:39

SSridhar wrote:Tightrope Act on the Durand Line - Anita Joshua in The Hindu

She almost sounds scared to point a finger at the vile tactics of TSP. TSP wants Afganisthan to be an extension of TSP, and its using any means, terror, murder, subterfuge, you name it, and nobody, neither India nor US is willing to call TSP as it is.

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 12 Oct 2011 16:55

Nice read. Even connects the dots between Adm. Mullen's ISI testimony and the Kunduz airlift.

With friends like Pakistan, the U.S. doesn’t need enemies
Pakistan is helping insurgents. Could that be seen as an act of war?
by Michael Petrou
http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/10/11/with ... who-needs/

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 12 Oct 2011 17:29

Poe's Law

Read the comments following the one below, some Abduls don't see the sarcasm.

Above of all, I appreciate the mother’s courage.
Such a marriage is absolutely against the shariah. One’s daughter cannot be given away in marriage unless she is above 6 years of age and the marriage cannot be consummated unless the bride has attained 9 years of age.
Let Pakistan be guided by the light of shariah.

Every time a new Poakistani is born, the average IQ ofthe world population takes a huge hit.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 12 Oct 2011 18:48

Another clear example of Poe's Law is the post I made above about the new "FU Wing" of the ISI started after the S-Wing was allegedly closed down...

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 12 Oct 2011 19:30

I see the US has now launched itself into a tizzy over this supposed Iranian plot to kill the Saudi Ambassador. After Obama and other administration officials backtracked on Mullen's comments about the ISI, it was clear nothing whatsoever had changed in the US-Paki relationship. Now with this manufactured outrage over Iran, it's obvious the Pakis are completely off the hook. For all practical purposes, Mullen's public admissions about the ISI never happened.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 12 Oct 2011 19:41

^^The problem with binary views such as "US-TSP relations will never change" etc. is that they are totally wrong.

US policy making structure is not a monolith. Since 2009, one by one, the CIA, civilian DoD, uniformed military types and most of the think-tank types have fundamentally shifted their views on TSP. The White House is dragging its feet because of political compulsions but even Ombaba is saying that no strategic ties with TSP will be possible.

Things are changing but not necessarily as fast as we'd like.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Oct 2011 20:41

So ShivajiSisodia is an example of Poe's paradox!

Alsojr^2, how many flights were there in Kunduz to airlift hat many ISI and Taliban,/Al Q?

Even if packed as sardines in a C-130 they must have had a dozen flights or so.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 12 Oct 2011 20:44

They don't have money, they don't have fuel. Right time to attack pakistan?

Cash-starved Pakistan Railways terminates 75 train services

Pakistan Railways (PR) has terminated 75 train services whereas 28 more will likely to meet same fate, making it worst scenario for rail passengers.

sources say that only one day of fuel is left in the oil stores of PR. Usually, fuel supply for five days is maintained by the national organisation. When fuel for two or three days is left the department purchases more oil from PSO but no such effort has been done this time around.

More than 20,000 PR employees are still awaiting salaries: As the cash-strapped Pakistan Railways is up against a new problem almost every day. The salaries of more than 20,000 B tour employees are pending, causing indignation among them whereas 0.1 million ex-employees are also awaiting pensions.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 12 Oct 2011 20:49

ramana wrote:So ShivajiSisodia is an example of Poe's paradox!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 Oct 2011 21:00

R-man the "binary views" are based on the fact that it will take a great effort to go back on the policy that the US has followed for decades. There is great inertia and at any given moment it will be easier for US policymakers to hope for change in Pakistan. Pakistanis of course will do everything in their power to ensure that the US continues to trust them, or failing that ensure that any alternative to trusting them will be so bad for America that the only choice is to trust them.
One way to look at what could happen is to see what power Pakis have to make things really bad for the US. Pakistanis will be ready to take that route. Is the US ready to allow that to happen?

For too long I have heard people tell me that the US is "ready for anything". I don't believe that. I am sure the Paki army understand that and are wiling to take their chance with pushing the US into areas where it does not want to go. There is nothing certain about which way things might go, but I'm hopeful that Pakistan is not really under control and any gambles that Pakis take fail.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 12 Oct 2011 21:04

ramana wrote:So ShivajiSisodia is an example of Poe's paradox!

Alsojr^2, how many flights were there in Kunduz to airlift hat many ISI and Taliban,/Al Q?

Even if packed as sardines in a C-130 they must have had a dozen flights or so.

i believe rumsfeld said a few months later that they were sucker punched on that one

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 12 Oct 2011 21:28

shiv wrote: For too long I have heard people tell me that the US is "ready for anything". I don't believe that. I am sure the Paki army understand that and are wiling to take their chance with pushing the US into areas where it does not want to go. There is nothing certain about which way things might go, but I'm hopeful that Pakistan is not really under control and any gambles that Pakis take fail.

While it is true that the US is "ready for anything", it is within means and in alignment with interests and risks. When interests are not severely threatened and the potential risks are high, hard facts of geography and demographics will usually win. The US cannot do much to change this equation, only India can.

While nothing is certain, hard facts cannot be ignored, especially not by folks in power only for a few years. It has been proven many times that the US takes an alarmingly short term view of matters in many situations. Especially in those situations where interests are not at risk, severely. These facts make the likely US postures, fairly predictable and within a narrow set of choices.

But, times are changing, interests and risks change, the ground situation can present other facts to be considered.

The question is what facts, interests and risks have changed since 1951 for the US to make a fundamental different policy choice. A choice that reflects US interests and assessment of risks, going forward. What are its realistic choices?

I will discard a US military confrontation with TSP - very safely.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 12 Oct 2011 21:48

ShauryaT wrote:
shiv wrote: For too long I have heard people tell me that the US is "ready for anything". I don't believe that. I am sure the Paki army understand that and are wiling to take their chance with pushing the US into areas where it does not want to go. There is nothing certain about which way things might go, but I'm hopeful that Pakistan is not really under control and any gambles that Pakis take fail.
While it is true that the US is "ready for anything", it is within means and in alignment with interests and risks.

But this can be said of any country no? If it was within India's means to capture PoK with minimum casualties or take out the LeT targets and their ISI handlers inside Pakistan we would have done it too right? So what is the whole advantage of being a superpower and being "ready for anything" when the only thing you end up doing is feeding the dog who is trying to bite you? If the US was ready for anything, they would have put boots on the ground in Pakistan and gone after the Haqqani's themselves. They are not and they won't.

When interests are not severely threatened and the potential risks are high, hard facts of geography and demographics will usually win. The US cannot do much to change this equation, only India can.

How is India supposed to change "hard facts of geography and demographics" which the superpower can't?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Oct 2011 21:50

With patience and perseverance. There is a way and it will show itself.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 12 Oct 2011 21:59

Y. Kanan wrote:I see the US has now launched itself into a tizzy over this supposed Iranian plot to kill the Saudi Ambassador. After Obama and other administration officials backtracked on Mullen's comments about the ISI, it was clear nothing whatsoever had changed in the US-Paki relationship. Now with this manufactured outrage over Iran, it's obvious the Pakis are completely off the hook. For all practical purposes, Mullen's public admissions about the ISI never happened.

Outrage is the only manufacturing industry left in the US. It works on a just in time basis and allows production to be cranked up on demand and delivered anywhere.

The anti-Paki outrage will be manufactured when the pakis don't do the NWaziristan offensive and used as a justification for direct strikes on HQanis.

You'll note the sudden pickup in articles and commentary on WAPO, NYT and the TV channels

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 12 Oct 2011 22:41

nachiket wrote: How is India supposed to change "hard facts of geography and demographics" which the superpower can't?

They are a superpower alright, but it is to serve their interests first not India's. Think again on potential costs and benefits of boots on the ground in a nation of 180 million. Who are the Haqanis threatening? What are the response options to such a threat? Escalation of every US/TSP fissure to a level of boots on the ground in TSP is the wish of those in India, who want the US to fight for Indian interests!

I will restate my question again.

The question is what facts, interests and risks have changed since 1951 for the US to make a fundamental different policy choice. A choice that reflects US interests and assessment of risks, going forward. What are its realistic choices?

The above is an open question, not to say nothing has changed. Not sure if this fast moving thread has a place for it.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 12 Oct 2011 23:06

^^^
Facts & interests which have changed - USSR is gone. 1970 onward - Pakistan was a bridge for the US to China. That role is also gone. Post-1979 Iranian revolution - Pakistan is main bridge for US to Central Asia. Not sure that role can be retained given Pakistani role in terrorism. But is there any other game in town for the US?

The only chance, IMO, of US being aligned with India on Pakistan is if US has an alternative, namely Iran as route to Central Asia. But that is not going to happen.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 12 Oct 2011 23:25

Whenever Iran gets whispered of as an alternative to Pakis in Afghanistan, something really bad happens to the Iranians in US media. Way too many times to be coincidence.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 Oct 2011 23:35

Pakistan: 12 year-old Christian gang raped for eight months, forcibly converted to Islam, "married" to her Muslim attacker
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/pakis ... to-he.html
Ropetelian Peace is established

Miss Anna (name withheld), is a 12-year-old Christian girl and the daughter of Arif Masih. Arif is employed as a street sweeper (scavenger) at WAPDA. He is a resident of quarter number 44, WAPDA colony, Shahdra, Lahore, the capital of Punjab province. Anna was kidnapped by two Muslim men on December 24, 2010, one day before Christmas. According to the report sent by the Pakistan Minority Movement, on that day in the morning her friend, Miss Nida, who lives in her neighbourhood, came to her house and asked Anna to go shopping. According to the plan of the perpetrators, her friend took her to a street where they waited in a car. Miss Nida introduced the perpetrator her as her uncle.Anna was then taken a long distance and dropped at a house where she was raped. After two days some women, relatives of the rapists, namely Mumtaz Bibi.Farzana Bibi, Kiran Bibi along with her friend Nida came with some papers and told her to sign them otherwise she would not be released. Eventually she did sign with hesitation but was not released. The papers were about her marriage to one of the perpetrators, Muhammad Irfan. She was taken to several places and was forced to convert to Islam. When she refused she was manhandled and beaten