Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 2011

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 20 Oct 2011 16:23

Naah. War of a thousand warnings.

Great game played by superpower with 14 aircraft carriers to squeeze India by taking advantage of TSP's existential threat to India .. Just like their phor phaathers reincarnation .....

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Oct 2011 17:11

Defence spending Pakistan 2001 : 132 bn pkr
http://www.pakistaneconomist.com/issue2 ... 6/i&e4.htm
Defence spending Pakistan 2011 : 495.2 bn pkr
http://tribune.com.pk/story/182147/budg ... -up-by-12/

GDP 2010, constant PKR, base year 2000 = 6019.77 bn pkr
http://www.economywatch.com/economic-st ... _Currency/
GDP 2001, constant PKR, base year 2000 = 3897.45 bn pkr

The last figure you will need:
http://www.economywatch.com/economic-st ... Year_2000/

Inflation, Average Consumer Prices (Indexed to Year 2000) for Pakistan in year 2010 is 261.709 (Index, Base Year 2000 = 100). Source: Central Bank Latest actual data: 2010 Harmonized prices: No. Data refer to fiscal years Frequency of source data: Monthly Base year: 1997 Primary domestic currency: Pakistan rupees Data last updated: 03/2011

So that 2011 budget 495.2 bn PKR is 189 bn in Y2000 PKR. So, in constant PKR, GDP has gone up 6019.77/3897.45 = 1.54-fold, while in constant PKR, the defence budget is up by 1.43 times.

Again, all these numbers are suspect, but they do not support Kayani's contention.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 20 Oct 2011 17:31

x-posted from the Headley thread

uploaded Tahawwur Hussain Rana's interrogation tapes to YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac4gdhB16Kg

Multatuli · Post by **Multatuli** » 20 Oct 2011 18:18

Shiv wrote:

I think too much is being made of Aloo Andey. The guitar skills of that young Paki denotes that he comes from the RAPEst of RAPEs.

Yup, those three are clearly RAPE's and it's intended to show (their fellow RAPEs, their RAPE friends and counterparts in India, etc.) how much freedom there is in Packeeland to be critical of the Packee establishment and how hip, "liberal and rebellious" the Packee youths are. We are to believe that the Packee youth are no different from the youth in India, Europe and the US. This hip/cool/whatever "political protest" video is part of the mask the RAPEs put on to deceive the world and themselves. Pure Packee propaganda. It's not sincere, it's just posing, mimicry.

Even Rangudu, usually an astute observer, fell for it.

Added Later: Hiten, many thanks for the upload.

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 20 Oct 2011 18:48

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/21/world ... ml?_r=1&hp

The screws are indeed being tightened on Pakistan...

Setting the stage for a high-level diplomatic showdown, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton bluntly warned Pakistan’s leaders on Thursday that they would face serious consequences if they continued to tolerate safe havens for extremist organizations that have crossed the border to attack Americans and Afghans.

“There’s no place to go any longer,” Mrs. Clinton said, referring to Pakistan’s leadership, in some of the Obama administration’s most pointed language to date. “The terrorists are on both sides” of the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. “They are killing both peoples,” she said.

“No one should be in any way mistaken about allowing this to continue without paying a very big price,” Mrs. Clinton said before leaving for Pakistan for what is certain to be a tense visit by an unusually powerful American delegation sent to demand greater Pakistani cooperation in fighting Al Qaeda and other extremists groups.

Mrs. Clinton will be joined by the new chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, and the new director of the Central Intelligence Agency, David H. Petraeus, who stepped down as the senior military commander in Afghanistan this year.

Senior administration officials have described the delegation as an effort by the administration to display a united front to a Pakistani government that appears increasingly suspicious toward — if not openly hostile to — American policies in Afghanistan and Pakistan. While those officials suggested that they hoped to persuade the Pakistanis to cooperate, Mrs. Clinton’s remarks here in Afghanistan’s capital suggested the delegation would deliver a much sharper warning as well.

Her remarks underscored the fact that the war in Afghanistan — along with the hopes for a smooth American withdrawal by 2014 — has become fully intertwined with Pakistan’s own insurgents, some of whom have the support of the country’s security services.

While the Obama administration has pressed Afghanistan to seek reconciliation with some elements of the Taliban, Mr. Karzai said on Thursday that that would not be possible without the positive involvement of Pakistan.

“We believe that the Taliban to a very, very great extent — to a very, very great extent — are controlled by establishments in Pakistan, stay in Pakistan, have their headquarters in Pakistan, launch attacks from Pakistan,” he said.

and Pakistan's response ...

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2011/10/ ... ce.html?hp

Pakistani paramilitary forces killed 34 Taliban militants in clashes in the restive tribal region on the Afghan border on Thursday, the military said.

Three soldiers were also killed in the battle.

"Militants attacked FC soldiers while they were carrying out search operation in the area," the military said in a statement referring to the paramilitary Frontier Corps. "Security forces responded effectively."

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Oct 2011 18:50

Multatuli wrote: Even Rangudu, usually an astute observer, fell for it.

No in fact I had a different thought on this - though the fact that R man posted it was curious. The existence of that video has been "made to go viral" so that it has reached unusual circles in unusual places. That is what made me suspicious. It would be interesting to work backwards from where R man heard about it and where the person who alerted him got the info. It may be innocuous - like a son/daughter talking of a Facebook link.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 20 Oct 2011 18:59

Re the Aaloo Anday video - I got the link from an (Indian) friend on Twitter. But whether it is sponsored by some RAPE private concern or someone looking to make money on it is missing the point.

The key is that as TSP watchers, it is important and fun for us to see how the aam Abdul and the Zaid Hamid following RAPE types react to a popular song that mocks their beliefs. Plus, I thought the song was pretty funny.

saadhak · Post by **saadhak** » 20 Oct 2011 19:06

Acharya wrote:China backs Pak bid for non-permanent UNSC seat, India upset
Times of India - ‎12 hours ago‎

BEIJING: India's hopes of obtaining Chinese backing for a seat in the United Nations Security Council came up against a rock with the Chinese foreign ministry saying on Wednesday that it was seriously considering Pakistan's case for the coveted place.

The headline says the tallel, highel fliend supports the Baki bid for non-permanent membership.
India is already a non-permanent member.
1. So the question of India's hopes of obtaining Chinese backing for a non-permanent seat does not arise
2. Why would this (support for the Baki non-permanant membership) impact India's hopes of obtaining a permanent UNSC membership?
Is the reporter confused? Or DDMitis?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Oct 2011 19:13

^ Thanks. Stupid me. The article sounded as if it was permanent seat.

If it is non-permanent seat from Asia then India should propose Myanmar or Afghanistan and use its good offices to get the elected. It will be win-win for India

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Oct 2011 19:14

gakakkad wrote:

Naah. War of a thousand warnings.

Great game played by superpower with 14 aircraft carriers to squeeze India by taking advantage of TSP's existential threat to India .. Just like their phor phaathers reincarnation .....

somehow this post is like deja-vu. I read the same order of post earlier

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 20 Oct 2011 19:35

A_Gupta wrote:So that 2011 budget 495.2 bn PKR is 189 bn in Y2000 PKR. So, in constant PKR, GDP has gone up 6019.77/3897.45 = 1.54-fold, while in constant PKR, the defence budget is up by 1.43 times.

Again, all these numbers are suspect, but they do not support Kayani's contention.

This is something Shortcut Aziz did. He moved the reported GDP from inflation adjusted GDP to niminal. Meaning it is no longer adjusted for inflation and is no longer based on a base year. This allows them to show ever bigger GDP every year, save face, while growing at 1%-2%, which is below population growth.

WRT the military budget several exercises were conducted to move large chunks of the military budget into civilian side. Pensions are now in civilian side, Foreign loans for arms are on civilian side as is all the military aid being provided by Unkil. The nuclear bomb budget is taken from the civilian side while the military controls that program fully. No one intheir right mind thinks Zardari or Gilani have their finger on the 'Bomb'. There is a cool $3-4 Billion worth of money that is reported as civilian yet cleanly disappears into military accounts.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Oct 2011 19:41

http://community.nytimes.com/comments/w ... istan.html

SPS
BBSR, India
October 20th, 2011
9:46 am
Its a 'Tom & Jerry' relationship. So it has ups and downs, but each phase is always temporary and no one learns any lessons. Jerry, although small and weak, most of the time outwits Tom, indicating that power and size does not matter. Today Tom is going to Jerry's house with a big stick and lot of noise, lets watch how jerry slips away unhurt.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 20 Oct 2011 19:57

RamaY wrote: somehow this post is like deja-vu. I read the same order of post earlier

Deja vu is for a decade now...(over a decade since amritraj ka historic GUBO) .something tells me we ll be having this exact conversation in 2021 also....

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Oct 2011 21:17

Kakkad Ji, will Paxxistan survive till 2021? IMPO, this Islamic Proxistan will cease to exist when the need for proxy is no longer required by its 3.5 kaffir Auliyas.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 20 Oct 2011 21:29

Aloo-Andey video news was published in today's Indian Express.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Oct 2011 21:42

If US conducts another Abortabad raid or takes cross border action against the TSPA, then its curtains for the TPSA in its role as kabila guards.

Hence the motions are to make the TSPA act by itself with lots of jalebis and incentives to get rid of their pet snakes. However TSPA knows its the possession of the snakes that get them the jalebis. Sort of the Gaddafi situation. No snakes, no jalebies. Most likely let the mob take care of them.

An oped that says the same thing!!!

Prepare for Worst by NVS

Prepare for the worst
Pakistan is on its way to becoming a runaway nuclear rogue state, says N.V.Subramanian.

19 October 2011: Pakistan's army chief, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, has told his country's national assembly that the US has to think "ten times" before attacking the Haqqani network in North Waziristan. Members of the national assembly who heard Kayani say the army chief also warned that Pakistan was not Iraq or Afghanistan to be walked over by the United States.

Earlier in the week, Pakistan's defence minister, Ahmad Mukhtar, held out a different kind of threat to the United States. Protesting the increased drone attacks in North Waziristan, he said Pakistan's patience was running out. He added significantly that Pakistan was a responsible nuclear power and could not accept the killing of its people in such attacks.

What do these two statements of Ahmed Mukhtar and General Kayani taken together signify?

Obviously, in the hierarchy of the power structure in Pakistan, Kayani stands way above Ahmed Mukhtar. Mukhtar is not from the military, being a technocrat and a businessman. His background would make him pro-West and he was in the running for the prime-ministership which finally went to Yousaf Raza Gilani.

It might be suggested that Mukhtar overreached himself in speaking about Pakistan's deterrent in relation to the drone attacks in North Waziristan. The obvious construction on what he said would be that Pakistan would nuke the drone power, namely the United States. Since that cannot happen in mainland United States, its forces in Afghanistan would be vulnerable to Pakistani nukes. That would be literally what the defence minister meant.

This is crazy talk. Nobody speaks of nuking so casually although Pakistan has a history of nuclear sabre-rattling (in the late nineties) with India. Nobody dare utter such sentiments anyway in relation to the United States, certainly not anybody from the Pakistan establishment. The Al-Qaeda might do it. But the fact remains that the Pakistan defence minister, an experienced government hand, said as much.

And it becomes more significant after Kayani's tough talk in Pakistan's national assembly. The defence minister may still be a marginal player, although he isn't. But Kayani is Pakistan, so to speak. The real power-centre in Pakistan is the army, and Kayani heads it. He has lost his sheen after a US raid killed Osama Bin Laden in Abbottabad. But he is still powerful. Wounded but powerful.

His statement that the US would have to think ten times before launching a military strike in North Waziristan is a direct challenge to America. Never before have Pakistani differences with the US been framed in such bellicose terms. True, the US has come close to calling Pakistan a terror state. But for Pakistan to throw a return challenge is surprising.

How could Pakistan retaliate against the United States?

The first option is blocking supplies to the US troops in Afghanistan. Retired Pakistani military officers are stoking public opinion in the North West against these supplies to US troops. Supplies have been blocked in the past. But it does not represent such a powerful lever as to stop US military moves in North Waziristan.

The second option is to commission attacks against principal US targets like its embassy in Kabul. This was done last month by the Haqqani network in close collaboration with the ISI. Indeed, the motive of the attack becomes clear now. If the US attacks in North Waziristan, its key military and diplomatic assets in Afghanistan will come under fire.

You could argue that this has been Pakistan army/ ISI/ Haqqani network policy for years now. But it has received a boost in view of the imminent US withdrawal from Afghanistan. Kayani's national assembly statement may constitute a faster radicalization of Pakistani options against the US in Afghanistan.

At its worst, it may mean that all bets are off if the US attacks North Waziristan. It may be war. And if you insert the threat of the Pakistan defence minister, it could even mean employment of the nuclear option. Before it is dismissed as poppycock, Kayani and Ahmad Mukhtar should be asked to explain their respective articulations. And if they are serious, the world must prepare for the worst.

And this is that Pakistan is a short way from becoming a runaway rogue nuclear terror state.

I think there is pro quid quo for TSPA to make brave statements and allow the US to increase the drones. Maybe they will be unannounced drone attacks. Right now H&D gets hurt due to announcement of regualr drone strikes.

That way snake will be killed and lathi wont be broken.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 20 Oct 2011 22:32

SSridhar wrote: <SNIP>Substantial troops from the Eastern Command took PA by surprise, by all accounts. The British Ambassador in Islamabad, Sir Hilary Synnot, has reported Musharraf's misreading of the situation that India would not go to war. I consider this as coming out of Pakistani assessment that India would not escalate under any provocation. Again, after the January 12 speech by Musharraf, the PA assessed that the IA would no longer attack them as the window of opportunity has passed. <SNIP>

SSridhar, it is this misreading which was jolted when IA moved I Corps elements, including the 33rd Armored Division, from the general area Sambha/Chicken's Neck to between 2 Corps and 21 Corps...TSPA was faced with the prospect of facing the entire might of the strike elements of Indian Army (to quote Y_Patel sahab, the rudra avatar of IA). Such was the panic that PA 31 Corps was shifted from Bahawalpur to Pano Aquil and the much famed Army Reserve South (ARS) and its 1st Armored Division were deployed forward in a defensive manner. It is said that when the GOC 1st Armored Division protested the deployment in a defensive manner (and not as a offensive tool), he was sacked.

One day, the pakees are going to get their collective musharrafs kicked big time.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 20 Oct 2011 22:35

ramana wrote:If US conducts another Abortabad raid or takes cross border action against the TSPA, then its curtains for the TPSA in its role as kabila guards.

I think there is pro quid quo for TSPA to make brave statements and allow the US to increase the drones. Maybe they will be unannounced drone attacks. Right now H&D gets hurt due to announcement of regualr drone strikes.

That way snake will be killed and lathi wont be broken.

ramana garu
I think there is another element here. Publicly atleast Kayani has challenged US to attack Pakistan. The armed forces of any nation do not take these things lightly,least of all the United States. If US does not attack Pakistan now, it would mean that Kayani is a hero of Muslim world and Pakistan army are the legitimate kabila guards as you eloquently put. These are niche things which often echo after some time at higher harmonics. Hillary's blunt warning may be a media stunt but she definitely must have said very ugly things to Kayani. This I am 100% sure.
I would wager that there will be few targeted killings of few ISI afsers along with top tier Haqqanis over the weekend. This could be done by both Drones and SEALs together just to send a message across that 'US means business'.
Either way I am counting on some major blockbuster action this weekend.
Altair

saip · Post by **saip** » 20 Oct 2011 22:36

RamaY wrote:^ Thanks. Stupid me. The article sounded as if it was permanent seat.

If it is non-permanent seat from Asia then India should propose Myanmar or Afghanistan and use its good offices to get the elected. It will be win-win for India

Dont worry guys, if Pakistan ever becomes a permanent member UNSC, then that will be the end of UNO.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 20 Oct 2011 22:53

How to Kill the UNO

Make Pakistan as the permanent member of UNSC.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Oct 2011 22:55

Every UNSC member have permanent Pakistan fixed at specific place.
Whenever the desire , they bring it out and do the needful and hide it where no one can see this Munna.
In this song, Paxxishotan play a smart part.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb0FRV9Q ... re=related
Paxxistan warga assi bhi ik Munna banna layye
Jithe najar kisse di pahoonche na
Ooonu otthe khhaas takka layye
Judd 3.5 khedan gaimmas
Taan Kadd ke Dikkha dayye.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 20 Oct 2011 23:08

shiv wrote: <SNIP> India will have to surprise Pakistan and overrun Pakjab and split Pakistan in a matter of one week. That is why Indians come up with things like "Cold Start" whether the idea is workable or not. The one thing that does not get discussed on here very often is what role the US can play. Simply put, the US can warn Pakistan of impending attack and monitor Indian activity and tell them about that during a hot war. There is no way we could prevent that. We can argue on the forum and say that "We should be strong enough to beat Pakistan despite that" but "beating Pakistan" would mean concluding a Pakistan breaking war in ten days flat. If it goes on longer Pakistan will be able to muster enough forces to stop India. US intelligence and arms can help to prolong the war just enough to help Pakistan survive. If India are planning military action against Pakistan we have to dhoti shiver about these uncertainties before we fight the war rather than find out that it happened after an unsuccessful war. We owe it to our military to be aware of this sort of outcome. I bet my left testimonial that the day India acquires the capability of doing this to Pakistan despite US or Chinese help, Pakis will start talking seriously about peace with India. We are not there yet.<SNIP>

Excellent, Sir, really excellent. Thank you for putting this up so clearly. I hope those who propose restructuring in terms of lesser Strike Corps or lower number of tanks read this.

My two useless two cents to the above: -

(a) It is the Pakistanis which have defined the definition of victory in any India-Pakistan war. The same definition which you've written above – and which holds for terrorism and insurgencies – I win by not loosing and you lose by not winning. The ‘I’ is the terrorist and ‘you’ is the nation state. It is exactly this logic which applies to any Indo-Pak war and which you’ve so succinctly put into words above. PA and other services have enough assets to ensure that PA does not loose – where loosing is defined as per the logic of Pakistan. The Indian war objective earlier, as famously propounded by General Sundarji, of cutting Pakistan into half and reaching RYK, is what the PA was geared to deter and claim victory.

(b) Now, please put in perspective the discomfort caused by Cold Start Doctrine. Indian Army has put the entire argument of victory on its head – when the objective is not to ‘dismember’ Pakistan and is limited, then, we can claim victory once we meet these limited objectives. This also makes the entire structure of PA – geared to meet the earlier threat – at odds with changing threat scenario from India. Plus, we call the nuclear bluff.

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 21 Oct 2011 00:21

What is the Probability that Unkil snatches one or more of the Haqqanis and bargain them for release of one soldier in Taliban captivity?
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-19/worl ... s=PM:WORLD

I think that's the next step in escalation ladder. The Unkil military is baying for blood and this looks like the most plausible scenario.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Oct 2011 00:49

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... istan.html
(Posturing , Protesting or Preassuring ?)

Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the country's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency had to sever all ties with the Haqqani militants. His comments are the latest sign of a tougher, coordinated public line – echoed by Leon Panetta, US defence secretary, and Cameron Munter, Washington's ambassador to Islamabad in recent days – amid frustration at Pakistan's slow progress in moving on Haqqani bases along the Afghan border. This year has seen relations between the two allies plunge to their lowest point since 9/11, when US officials reportedly warned Pakistan's intelligence director to prepare to be bombed "back to the Stone Age" if it did not go along with America's campaign against the Taliban. In a speech to the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Admiral Mullen said he had raised the matter with his Pakistani counterpart, General Ashfaq Kayani, during a meeting at the weekend. "We covered ... the need for the Haqqani Network to disengage, specifically the need for the ISI to disconnect from Haqqani and from this proxy war that they're fighting," he said.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 21 Oct 2011 01:14

Just watched the video for a short period and breezed over the rest. Aaloo Anday video is 400% professionally shot and edited. Since pakis dont have any fine-arts or movie schools of **ANY** repute, this seems a funded project with lots of planning behind the characters, production etc.

Expect more such, as the cost of video production has plummeted worldwide.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 21 Oct 2011 01:25

hnair wrote:Just watched the video for a short period and breezed over the rest. Aaloo Anday video is 400% professionally shot and edited. Since pakis dont have any fine-arts or movie schools of **ANY** repute, this seems a funded project with lots of planning behind the characters, production etc.

Expect more such, as the cost of video production has plummeted worldwide.

It's a funny song, and a very slick video.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it were in fact produced in INDIA. It has a signature, Bollywood-hip, MTV-India sensibility to the design and editing that couldn't be easily copied by producers in the West or SE Asia. Lots of connections exist between Bollywood producers, Mumbai Broadcast and Ad Film production houses, and Pakistani RAPE glitterati (from Adnan Sami to Najam Sethi to Vina Malik.)

In fact, a quite entertaining film called "Tere Bin Laden" (starring Pakistani pop star Ali Zafar) was produced by Mumbai's Walkwater Media, filmed entirely in Mumbai. Really funny in many parts, and also satirizes the jihad-for-export industry...but by and large it is a sympathetic portrayal of Pakis as "just like us" folks who are only doing their best to get by, share our humanitarian values, are on the receiving end of yeevil American bullying etc.

Like this video, "Tere Bin Laden" was at least partially targeted at Indian middle-class youth with a benevolent, internationalist outlook-- aiming to convince them that Pakistan is like us onlee, full of free-thinkers and irreverent democrats-at-heart, and if they hadn't got caught up in unfortunate superpower games (through no fault of their own) they would just be the most lovable nation on earth.

All this may be propaganda directed at we the people of India, to open a welcoming door for these Jinnah-ke-potey when the time comes for them to abandon their RAPE enclaves before hordes of advancing Qadris in the middle of the night. Of course, they would prefer to go to London/Canada/US/Australia, but very likely they're not going to get visas... so it's to our door that they will come knocking, with lots of ill-gotten cash in tow. All this suits the agenda of a certain Mahesh Bhatt- Barkha Dutt type constituency very well.

Daoud Gilani's rubbing shoulders (and more) with Mahesh Bhatt's son Rahul, shows that this sort of activity can be far more than distasteful... it can be extremely dangerous, even in the short-to-medium term. The song has a gratuitous reference to "Ajmal Qasab" which will surely endear the irreverent singer to many Yindoo hearts; but we need to remember how Ajmal Qasab knew his way around when he arrived in Mumbai.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 21 Oct 2011 01:42

Sigh , these counter-, counter- conspiracy theories.
Without any evidence (I know gets in the way of speculation)

-the language is panjabi not angrezi
-the faces may not be pretty but they are identifiable
-production values are fairly straight forward
-pakis have been killed for much less
-the video is playing in Pakiland
-"if you want a bullet in my head, 'like this'" is self-explanatory

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Oct 2011 01:44

Where is this from
Coke studio Arif Lohar Jugni with lyrics

It has hit 6M + hits in youtube

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 21 Oct 2011 01:48

sanjaykumar wrote: -production values are fairly straight forward

Believe what you will, Sanjay, but on this one point you are certainly wrong. Take it from me as a professional in areas related to digital media; this is no little independent garage-band video made by a few brave young anarchists in their spare time. Serious money was spent on it. In India it would have cost anywhere between Rs. 6 lakh to Rs. 10 lakh per minute, to produce. No mere "youtube user" has that kind of change lying around to blow on a free timepass video.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 21 Oct 2011 02:07

Saying it is produced in India is not a CT. Even Pakis can hire an Indian company for production.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 21 Oct 2011 02:11

True but what does that establish?

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 21 Oct 2011 02:14

Nandu wrote:Saying it is produced in India is not a CT. Even Pakis can hire an Indian company for production.

You're right, and they do all the time.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Oct 2011 02:15

[quote="AcharyaWhere is this from
Coke studio Arif Lohar Jugni with lyrics
It has hit 6M + hits in youtube[/quote]
Poaks made their own version of Jugni brining Holy Arap in Punjabi lore. Chamba is in Himachal Pardesh, cold like Siberia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL61YnpDmFk
Here he is singing different version talking about the enjoyment of Youth and vices of Kalyug.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 21 Oct 2011 02:16

kenop wrote:Aloo-Andey video news was published in today's Indian Express.

Aloo Andey taquiyya

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 21 Oct 2011 02:27

Acharya wrote:

Where is this from
Coke studio Arif Lohar Jugni with lyrics

It has hit 6M + hits in youtube

the song or production?

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 21 Oct 2011 02:34

Whatever about this egg and potato business, it is obvious as mentioned before that the Paki elite will try and best play up a moderate facade. This is going to be peaking in the months ahead. Already they are working on better trade/ MFN with India, the tirade will get more nauseating. Even if it is genuine, it doesn't help the ave Paki. Kasab and Qadri types have lots of backing in doctrine that the Andaa aloo type Paki's don't. That is the crux. That is where they will lose the battle. Piety. To win they need tochallenge the doctrine. He does the next best thing..puts up the placard in the end..'like this video if you want a bullet in my head'. That says a lot. Liberalism is not coming either in the Arab springs or in Pakshitistan anytime soon. There's only one way Pakshitistan can redeem itself and come in league with those that fought and died defending the land of their Indic ancestors..by doing aaloo anday on the 7th century doctrine of hate emanating from the sands of the Middle East. There will be a bloodbath and many will die in it if they start so, but sorry..thats the price one pays for allowing doctrines of hate to grow in one's soil. No other way out for the Paki. To some extent that applies to India too. But the Paki if it wants to redeem itself has to raise the ante way beyond the aloo anday thing. JMT/

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 21 Oct 2011 02:38

The Scaffers want a grand bargain now. Because they think that India has no legitimate interests in Afghanistan if Kashmir were "settled", and because Afghans are the US's to give away to the Pakis.

Afghanistan, Pakistan and Kashmir: A grand bargain?

The 800 pound gorilla that needs to be addressed is the Pakis normalizing their relations with India. These jokers, the Scaffers, sidestep that issue entirely, in the manner economists are usually accused of doing in their analyses:

" A physicist, a chemist and an economist are stranded on an island, with nothing to eat. A can of soup washes ashore.
The physicist says, "Let's smash the can open with a rock."
The chemist says, "Let's build a fire and heat the can first."
The economist says, "Let's assume that we have a can-opener..." "

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Oct 2011 02:42

MurthyB wrote:The Scaffers want a grand bargain now. Because they think that India has no legitimate interests in Afghanistan if Kashmir were "settled", and because Afghans are the US's to give away to the Pakis.

Afghanistan, Pakistan and Kashmir: A grand bargain?

The best bargain is Kalifornia for Kashmir .

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 21 Oct 2011 02:44

I have a third 'strategic option': The Grand Bombing Campaign that converts pakiland into vitreous china (:).

This is a lazy piece of work and looks very much like an effort to meet the publishing quota and to maintain relevance.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Oct 2011 02:45

MurthyB wrote:The Scaffers want a grand bargain now. Because they think that India has no legitimate interests in Afghanistan if Kashmir were "settled", and because Afghans are the US's to give away to the Pakis.

Afghanistan, Pakistan and Kashmir: A grand bargain?

Many Americans think that all these regiona are the same. There are several who think that entire region is one.