Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 2011

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 06 Nov 2011 05:15

^^^^^^ Oh, but we should put bijli on the negative list, should we not, after all, according to the paki abduls, India provides them water with all the "power" removed from that water, after it goes over those damn dams. Why would we sell them the power so they "could make their water powerful again", hain ji?

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 06 Nov 2011 05:21

Acharya wrote:Pakistan is taking advantage of US stupidity'

Duh! If the US were smarter how could they take advantage? CF is trying win Indo-American funding for her next research project

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Nov 2011 05:50

Our man in Pakistan

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Nov 2011 06:02

Pakistan to welcome Indo-Afghan strategic pact if it promotes peace: Malik

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Nov 2011 06:11

The economic road ahead for China and Pakistan
PLA has been working with Pakistan way before in 1959. This is already 50 years old even before 1962 Indo China War.

The economic road ahead for China and Pakistan
The global economic superpower of China is symbolic in it's ambitious Karakoram Highway expansion project in Pakistan.
...
The relationship is not new: The road was first built between 1959 and 1979 by the People's Liberation Army. But while Pakistan's relations with the West, particularly the United States, remain difficult, the highway – along with other major Chinese-built projects such as the port at Gwadar and Pakistan's main nuclear reactor at Chashma – is a symbol of the road ahead.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Nov 2011 06:11

Pak-China friendship enters third generation: Khosa

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Nov 2011 06:52

A_Gupta wrote:Highlights from Pakistan's 2006-2007 Demographic Health Survey
(PDF) http://www.measuredhs.com/pubs/pdf/FR200/FR200.pdf

Ever wonder how people go around collecting stats in Pakistan? A large percentage of the country is inaccessible to people who are tasked with mundane things like demographic surveys. This is a country that will not allow polio vaccination drives, but will do everything posible to "improve its image".]

Guess what happens to "statistics' under such circumstances?

I mean doe anyone seriously think that Pakis are going to Baluchistan or NWFP or Islamist enclaves of Pakjab and asking about "fertility rate" of 15-18 year old girls, or even if those girls have any proof of birth? I mean is Pakistan actually registering births? Stas are gleaned from a few who visit hospitals in a country where medical services are decrepit.

Pakistanis are liars. Statistics that come out of Pakistan are a whole load of lies. The stats from India about Indian poor are probably correct. Comparing them with Pakistan is a problem because information from inside Pakistan is suspect. As long as anyone in teh world - whether they are US officials or UNICEF think the info they get out of Pakistani statements is true and accurate they are deluding themselves.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Nov 2011 06:57

kenop wrote: Wasn't this extra mile walk by India done already during the unveiling of the birkin-handle-candy in India a couple of months ago?

India has walked so many extra miles I suspect we are sitting in Makkah now doing Haj. Need to look outside my window to see what going on.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Nov 2011 06:58

Cosmo_R wrote:New book about Seal Team 6:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -book.html

"Pfarrer claims that the SEALs trained in Tall Pines, a secret facility within Camp Pickett, Virginia. He writes that they initially planned to use Ghost Hawks, highly classified helicopters nicknamed "Jedi rides" that emit zero electromagnetic radiation and are invisible to radar.

However they were replaced with older Stealth Hawks after the White House abandoned plans to have F-18 "hornet" jets fly patrols over the helicopters and it was deemed too much of a risk that the Ghost technology would fall into enemy hands, Pfarrer writes. "

Jedi Rides indeed. May the force be with you! Of course, if the Ghost Hawks do exist, then they are probably being kept ready for Operation Snatch

At least some of this is US psy-ops designed to give a particular imperssion about the US.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 06 Nov 2011 07:05

US does have a lot of black projects and atleast some of these things work, so its easy to weave fact and fiction together with some basis in reality. thats the best kind of psyops - one with a good kernel of truth at the core.

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 06 Nov 2011 07:06

Acharya... Please make one more post to make your post count reach 6 digits.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Nov 2011 07:10

abhishek_sharma wrote:Stephen Cohen's "The Future of Pakistan": First Chapter

Theer was so much reading material posted on BRF yesterday that it took me till late yesterday to finish 2/3s of it.
This one by Uneven Cohen is very pessimistic about Pakistan. Apart from his unqualified "Hindu oppression" comment, it makes a good read.

Need to read Fair's testimony posted by Arun Gupta today.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Nov 2011 07:46

shyamd wrote:MFN status to India: Army not part of India trade equation, says Gilani
PM empowers commerce ministry for negotiations in Delhi.
Friday’s intrigues came ahead of the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) summit in Maldives next week. Gilani and his Indian counterpart Manmohan Singh are likely to meet on the sidelines of the conference.

The sting is in the tail of the above report. When the Foreign Secretary went to Pakistan a few months back to discuss the resumed dialogue process, that very day the PA issued a warning that H&D cannot be sacrificed for trade. See this. The present civilian government is announcing MFN for two reasons. One, to get Indian objection withdrawn for the EU's GSP+ privilege being contemplated for Pakistan and two, to have some good news as a 'bait' for more concessions from Mr. Man Mohan Singh in the upcoming one-on-one meeting at SAARC. Remember that Indian leaders always concede in one-on-one especially when they sense some possibility of improved India-Pakistan atmosphere. TSPians have already got the liberalized visa regime in the bargain. The proposed visit of the judicial commission and the resumed trial at Adiala have also to be viewed in the same context. Later, the MFN can be stalled citing popular resentment and PA's opposition. Indian analysts would start saying that it was the PA that is the stumbling block. Heck, it is the whole Pakistan that is colluding in deception and perfidy.

arun · Post by **arun** » 06 Nov 2011 07:52

X posted from the India-US Strategic News and Discussions thread.

Josy Joseph writing in TOI reveals that declassified Indian documents shown that US hostility to India during the 1971 war with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan was more intense than previously disclosed:

US forces had orders to target Indian Army in 1971

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 06 Nov 2011 07:57

^^ it is also possible that both are playing good cop-bad cop giving the expression that civvies are taking bold steps. Appearing a very hard decision from outside, in that process delaying it to bargain more from India.

mayo · Post by **mayo** » 06 Nov 2011 08:01

VinodTK wrote:Man tries to hurl shoe at Musharraf

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CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 06 Nov 2011 08:13

SSridhar wrote:
Indian analysts would start saying that it was the PA that is the stumbling block. Heck, it is the whole Pakistan that is colluding in deception and perfidy.

Boss, but what gets my goat is why does India stoop so low and begs for this or that from TSP? Isn't it demeaning? Why does every f$%&ing Indian leader from VajpayeeJi to MMS do that? After all, we have any army that can certainly defend India if not punish TSP. So why this desperate begging TSP for peace? Its should be up to TSP is it not?

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 06 Nov 2011 08:15

shiv wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:Stephen Cohen's "The Future of Pakistan": First Chapter
Theer was so much reading material posted on BRF yesterday that it took me till late yesterday to finish 2/3s of it.
This one by Uneven Cohen is very pessimistic about Pakistan. Apart from his unqualified "Hindu oppression" comment, it makes a good read.

shiv ji: Just a few quick comments. first, on the cohne guy - he is part of a select group of yahoodis who take it upon themselves to run down Hindus every chance they get - only because they consider Hindus as the last hold out against "their" monotheism, and Hindus represent idolatory which they despise with a passion (you have to read the old testament where apparently their loving god yahweh let them have it thru both barrels for regularly straying from the flock, going after some deity called "baal", and also their building a "graven image" when yahweh did not feed them enough at the begining of their aimless wandering in the sainai desert for 40 years). There is also a archeologist jewess who also is virulently anti Hindu, incase you come across her writings. Having met some of the orthodox variety (who did not let me touch them on every occasion) I know whereof I speak.

As for the imaginary stats eminating from the paki, the following representative clips of hassan nisar & others on paki TV reflect the truth far more than any delusionary stats you will get from the paki.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO1fpofR ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1XPoTN4 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vkShsLm ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVAcjCNu ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MCVCccO ... re=related

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 06 Nov 2011 08:16

Singha wrote:US does have a lot of black projects and atleast some of these things work, so its easy to weave fact and fiction together with some basis in reality. thats the best kind of psyops - one with a good kernel of truth at the core.

Pfarrer must be planning Navy Seals: Part Duex.

archan · Post by **archan** » 06 Nov 2011 08:30

VinodTK wrote:Man tries to hurl shoe at Musharraf

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SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Nov 2011 09:03

CRamS wrote:Boss, but what gets my goat is why does India stoop so low and begs for this or that from TSP? Isn't it demeaning? Why does every f$%&ing Indian leader from VajpayeeJi to MMS do that? After all, we have any army that can certainly defend India if not punish TSP. So why this desperate begging TSP for peace? Its should be up to TSP is it not?

CRamS, to be fair to GoI, it is not actually begging. At every occassion, it raised the demand for a reciprocal MFN status. Pakistan has suddenly woken up to this because of the need to get India vacate the objection to GSP+ privilege by the EU and get some concessions from India to facilitate future terrorist incidents in our country. Indian leaders assume that trade would 'soften' Pakistani attitude towards us. Both China (already) and TSP in future (if this MFN happens) would debunk that myth.

sukhish · Post by **sukhish** » 06 Nov 2011 10:17

India removing it's objection on EU trade concessions for Pakistan would not have much impact on India,
As India is in advanced stage of negotiating a free trade agreement with EU, once that happens duties for 95% of goods will be removed. In effect India will get the same benefit as Pakistan but on very large number of items.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 06 Nov 2011 10:44

CRamS wrote: Boss, but what gets my goat is why does India stoop so low and begs for this or that from TSP? Isn't it demeaning? Why does every f$%&ing Indian leader from VajpayeeJi to MMS do that? After all, we have any army that can certainly defend India if not punish TSP. So why this desperate begging TSP for peace? Its should be up to TSP is it not?

CRS ji , What about America which is begging Pakistan to stop the ongoing murder of American and NATO troops in Afghanistan? Surely it too has an Army with which it can punish Pakistan.

Hell , infact America is also begging India to reach an agreement with Pakstan so that it can complete the afghanistan mission.

Come to think of it America is the probably the begging expert of the world.Whether it is Israel-palestine issue or the situation in Korean Peninsula , it is always begging for peace.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 06 Nov 2011 10:52

Musharraf says Pakistani nukes are 'very hard targets':

“I don’t think it is possible, from my military perspective, for anyone, including the United States to attack Pakistan’s nuclear weapons that easily,” he said, speaking on a recorded CNN talk show GPS, airing Sunday. He described the warheads as “very hard targets” in “places which are not accessible”.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 06 Nov 2011 10:55

Airavat wrote:Musharraf says Pakistani nukes are 'very hard targets':

“I don’t think it is possible, from my military perspective, for anyone, including the United States to attack Pakistan’s nuclear weapons that easily,” he said, speaking on a recorded CNN talk show GPS, airing Sunday. He described the warheads as “very hard targets” in “places which are not accessible”.

You mean pakis are hiding their nuke bums in their musharrafs?!

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 06 Nov 2011 10:56

sukhish wrote:India removing it's objection on EU trade concessions for Pakistan would not have much impact on India,
As India is in advanced stage of negotiating a free trade agreement with EU, once that happens duties for 95% of goods will be removed. In effect India will get the same benefit as Pakistan but on very large number of items.

its not about impact on India, its about not giving any benefit or lifeline to pakistan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Nov 2011 11:22

abhijitm wrote:
sukhish wrote:India removing it's objection on EU trade concessions for Pakistan would not have much impact on India,
As India is in advanced stage of negotiating a free trade agreement with EU, once that happens duties for 95% of goods will be removed. In effect India will get the same benefit as Pakistan but on very large number of items.
its not about impact on India, its about not giving any benefit or lifeline to pakistan.

Absolutely. It is also about the duplicity and perfidy of Pakistan.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 06 Nov 2011 11:37

Airavat wrote:Musharraf says Pakistani nukes are 'very hard targets':

“I don’t think it is possible, from my military perspective, for anyone, including the United States to attack Pakistan’s nuclear weapons that easily,” he said, speaking on a recorded CNN talk show GPS, airing Sunday. He described the warheads as “very hard targets” in “places which are not accessible”.

If the location of nukes is that inaccessible , then they will also be very hard to deploy which puts a question mark on the very purpose of those nukes.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 06 Nov 2011 11:48

Airavat wrote:Musharraf says Pakistani nukes are 'very hard targets':
He described the warheads as “very hard targets” in “places which are not accessible”.

"in places which are inconceivable" will be more appropriate.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 06 Nov 2011 12:10

Good News
Taliban kill five soldiers in Razmak

MIRANSHAH: Taliban launched an attack on a military convoy in the tribal areas on Saturday, killing five soldiers and wounding three others, security officials said. The convoy came under attack near Razmak, more than 50 kilometres south of Miranshah in North Waziristan, officials said. “The convoy was moving from one area to another when Taliban attacked it, killing five soldiers and wounding three others,” a security official in Peshawar said. Another security official in Miranshah confirmed the incident, saying terrorists were armed with rockets and automatic weapons. “They also hurled grenades in the attack,” the official said. Troops retaliated immediately with small and heavy weapons but there was no report of Taliban casualties, he added. afp

Bad News
Bomber dies in failed suicide attack

A man allegedly carrying explosive materials died when they went off near Hazara Town, a suburb of Quetta, on Saturday. According to a local police official, the man wanted to place the explosive material somewhere in Hazara Town, a township dominated by the Hazara community. However, it detonated when the man was near a drainage line, killing him instantly.

member_20038 · Post by **member_20038** » 06 Nov 2011 12:16

Electrification: 89.2% of households.
Households with television: 55.7%
Households with refrigerator: 36.7%
Household with washing machine: 42.5%

80% of population lives under the poverty line, yet 55.7% have TVs 42.5 have washing machines and 37% have refrigerators, this kind of reminds me of my economics teacher in school who used to say that beggars in the west used to come to work(beg) in their own cars.
Pi55 poor basket case nation doesn't have electricity supply for 18 hrs a day yet 90% of homes are electrified and 43% of homes have washing machines running on non existent power supply

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 06 Nov 2011 12:51

arun wrote: Josy Joseph writing in TOI reveals that declassified Indian documents shown that US hostility to India during the 1971 war with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan was more intense than previously disclosed:

Might be a reason why India is still cautious about any kind of strategic partnership with the US. The US now routinely tries to woo India with its Biggest Democracy-Oldest Democracy hence natural allies rhetoric but its a good thing to be cautious about going the extra mile of friendship to being allies.

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 06 Nov 2011 13:11

CRamS wrote: Boss, but what gets my goat is why does India stoop so low and begs for this or that from TSP? Isn't it demeaning? Why does every f$%&ing Indian leader from VajpayeeJi to MMS do that? After all, we have any army that can certainly defend India if not punish TSP. So why this desperate begging TSP for peace? Its should be up to TSP is it not?

Actually you can reason with a man who is always ready to commit suicide and take everything down with him, only that much. Pakistan is one such man, it doesn't care if its economy crashes, own people die, the country is wiped out as long as they can take everything down with them. That's why no food, electricity, drinking water, governance..but the fastest growing nuke arsenal, huge army, money and sophisticated weapons to terrorists which could otherwise help their economy and alleviate poverty. They just don't care. That is what the US learnt in Somalia. The whole country routinely sees death, poverty, if you wipe them out it would mean nothing to them, but no reasoning works with them! For India, in 64 years of Independence, the achievements are enormous. The country is shining bright and is prosperous. There is a lot of things at stake with any war. Pakistan has none of it, and they are jealous kind, always ready to screw the prosperity, so always this urge for peace with them. It is not a sign of weakness, people here are nationalistic and may want to settle things once and for all, but 90% of Indians, and for that matter any other prosperous country, wouldn't want war. If some concessions can be given and India is on growth track in the process, then it is welcome for most of them. And the leaders are but projections of that majority only. The fact is there would be a line which could be crossed where there would be no other way but to take on the Pakis once and for all, till today, the Pakis have done a wonderful job keeping a safe small distance from that line.

arun · Post by **arun** » 06 Nov 2011 14:03

X Posted from the Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism thread.

The normal Islamic Terrorist fomenting ways of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on display.

UN Designated Islamic Terrorist organization Jamaat-ud-Dawah (JuD), a front organisation for Lashkar e Toiba (LeT), not included in a new list of 31 banned extremist and terrorist groups released by The Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Interior Ministry:

JuD not included in new list of banned terror groups in Pak

arun · Post by **arun** » 06 Nov 2011 14:10

X Posted from the Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism thread.

Yet more of the normal Islamic Terrorist fomenting ways of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on display.

Our Home Secretary, R.K Singh points out that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan continues to harbour Islamic Terrorists targeting India:

Pakistan is continuing to harbour terrorists: Home Secretary R K Singh

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Nov 2011 14:15

arun wrote:X Posted from the Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism thread.

Yet more of the normal Islamic Terrorist fomenting ways of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on display.

Our Home Secretary, R.K Singh points out that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan continues to harbour Islamic Terrorists targeting India:

Pakistan is continuing to harbour terrorists: Home Secretary R K Singh

And yet our freaking foreign secretary is creaming himself on the MFN thingee.

What a shit hole government MMS runs!!

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 06 Nov 2011 15:29

chetak wrote:And yet our freaking foreign secretary is creaming himself on the MFN thingee.

What a shit hole government MMS runs!!

There is another dimension. More trade with pakistan could be to woo punjabi traders as they will be the largest beneficiary from this, monetary wise speaking. Remember Punjab legislative election is just around the corner.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Nov 2011 15:56

abhijitm wrote:
chetak wrote:And yet our freaking foreign secretary is creaming himself on the MFN thingee.

What a shit hole government MMS runs!!
There is another dimension. More trade with pakistan could be to woo punjabi traders as they will be the largest beneficiary from this, monetary wise speaking. Remember Punjab legislative election is just around the corner.

That is actually the worst part in the entire deal since independence.

It has always been panjabi "trader" driven with no thought of the consequences for any of the others.

Any number of peaceniks always ready to sell the farm starting with the "singh" parivar and the gujral gang with kuldip nayar and his witless wkk freaks.

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 06 Nov 2011 18:11

chetak: Please do not paint with too wide a brush. Hindus and Sikhs of Punjab probably suffered the most, and lost the most in '47. Moreover, they dished out to the pakjabi mussalmans more than any mussalmans had dished out to in return too. Partly why those pakjabi mussalmans have spent their time ever since then taking "revenge" against the pathans, baloach, sindhis and kasmiris - just because they still cringe at the memories of East Punjab from '47.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 06 Nov 2011 19:31

SSridhar wrote: The sting is in the tail of the above report. When the Foreign Secretary went to Pakistan a few months back to discuss the resumed dialogue process, that very day the PA issued a warning that H&D cannot be sacrificed for trade. See this. The present civilian government is announcing MFN for two reasons. One, to get Indian objection withdrawn for the EU's GSP+ privilege being contemplated for Pakistan and two, to have some good news as a 'bait' for more concessions from Mr. Man Mohan Singh in the upcoming one-on-one meeting at SAARC. Remember that Indian leaders always concede in one-on-one especially when they sense some possibility of improved India-Pakistan atmosphere. TSPians have already got the liberalized visa regime in the bargain. The proposed visit of the judicial commission and the resumed trial at Adiala have also to be viewed in the same context. Later, the MFN can be stalled citing popular resentment and PA's opposition. Indian analysts would start saying that it was the PA that is the stumbling block. Heck, it is the whole Pakistan that is colluding in deception and perfidy.

I agree. But the US/Indian plans fall apart if it doesnt work. No settlement in K. War likely in the future.