China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

nits · Post by **nits** » 10 Nov 2011 22:38

One of the Biggest News on this Threa till date - Vietnam ask’s for BrahMos , Warships and pilot training for Sukhoi 30MKK from India

India should not let this opportunity go...

Vietnam’s request for military assistance from India, primarily in the naval field, has put South Block in a quandary, said official sources.On the one hand, India would like to pay back Vietnam for its assistance in consistently bolstering its case at multilateral fora such as the Association of South East Asian Nations (Asean), and on the other, it would not want to irk China as the plea has come shortly after exchanges between Beijing and New Delhi over Oil & Natural Gas Commission Videsh (ONGC Videsh) prospecting for oil and gas in a portion of South China Sea claimed by both China and Vietnam.
Vietnam President Troun Tan Sang made the request in four fields — submarine training, conversion training for its pilots to fly Sukhoi-30, modernisation of a strategic port and transfer of medium-sized warships.

In fact, the sources said, the Vietnam President overlooked protocol to meet senior Indian officials and ensured the timing of their commercial flight was revised to accommodate the unscheduled meeting. Vietnam had asked India to transfer Brahmos cruise missiles and offer its small civil nuclear plants for selection.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 10 Nov 2011 22:39

trust MEA to shoot it down.

Gurneesh · Post by **Gurneesh** » 10 Nov 2011 23:10

At a time when China is sparing no efforts to bolster paki military, it is plain stupid of GOI to worry about hurting China's sentiments.

Good God, will GOI ever overcome this unnecessary dhoti-shivering.

If India decides to sell stuff to Vietnam, then our image as a player in the South Asian region will increase many folds as other nations bullied by china can look towards us. But not supporting such players will mean that no one will take us seriously.

aditya.agd · Post by **aditya.agd** » 11 Nov 2011 00:12

Can Indian defence Minister assure India that it is safe from Chinese aggression?

Boreas · Post by **Boreas** » 11 Nov 2011 00:57

Gurneesh wrote:At a time when China is sparing no efforts to bolster paki military, it is plain stupid of GOI to worry about hurting China's sentiments.

Good God, will GOI ever overcome this unnecessary dhoti-shivering.

If India decides to sell stuff to Vietnam, then our image as a player in the South Asian region will increase many folds as other nations bullied by china can look towards us. But not supporting such players will mean that no one will take us seriously.

Nations don't have sentiments.

1. Any such request which has been made in public domain, won't be based on some random wishlist of vietnamese leaders, but would have been thoroughly discussed by the concerned parties and a tentative draft would have been made keeping in mind the policies and national interests of both countries. Even stuff like when and how to make it public would have been decided by mutual consensus.

2. What to give and what not to give will be based on reactions of other parties (china, japan, unkil) and the success ratio of these actions to implicate desired policy results.

3. "Support" is the proxy word used instead of "doing this will serve my national interests". India will "support" and provide direct or indirect help if doing so will serve its interests (and doing so is affordable).

4. If GOI was so wary of hurting anybody's sentiments, it wouldn't be poking chicom in south china sea, and then won't be declearing to add up close to 100 thousand man facing chicom.

5. China is not bolstering pakis anything. They are just engaging India, trying to keep us occupied here. If they wanted to make pakistan a powerhouse they won't be giving them JF-17, and other degraded millitary hardware.

GOI is not stupid, they just can't come and tell you everything.

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 11 Nov 2011 05:40

Gurneesh wrote: If India decides to sell stuff to Vietnam, then our image as a player in the South Asian region will increase many folds as other nations bullied by china can look towards us. But not supporting such players will mean that no one will take us seriously.

Do we have the capability to supply arms and munitions to another nation(s)?

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 11 Nov 2011 05:46

Boreas wrote: GOI is not stupid, they just can't come and tell you everything.

Well, they may not come and tell us but how stupid can the GOI be is another question. What exactly can we provide Vietnam on our own, without the involvement of other foreign partners on significant components?

I have long stopped presuming that GOI knows best. Far too many times, our hopes have been belied. Caveat Civis.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Nov 2011 06:31

Could someone please point me to the news item that says India has refused?

If we use the usual logic that I find on here then we have:

DDM quoting "unknown soucrces" says India is "concerned/worried" about Vietnam's request--> Indians are cowards/leaders are traitors--> India will refuse ---> India has refused -->Indians are cowards and traitors.

We don't really need Pakistan to say things about us. We have complaints about everyone. The Chinese. The Pakis. And ourselves.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 11 Nov 2011 09:54

shiv reading your ebook. quite interesting and informative

SKN

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 11 Nov 2011 10:11

Payback is a beach

pralay · Post by **pralay** » 11 Nov 2011 10:29

Why everyone suddenly taking the Chinese perspective so seriously ?
Are you not the people who cheered at the idea of brahmos export when there was no chinese perspective?
Why dhoti-shivering now?

If we are getting a customer then we shall sell it.

Does french and US and Europe give damn to chinese when they sell us equipment?
Does China give a damn to us(india) when they sell Bundar and nukes to pakistan ?
Why should we give the chinese a damn?

just act like a supplier.
Its time to tell them that if they equip our enemies we will equip theirs.

P Chitkara · Post by **P Chitkara** » 11 Nov 2011 13:08

The bandar may not be as good as it is touted to be but, isn’t it a huge improvement over the earlier chicom junk that the PAF has? The chinese are in PoK which is ours - thay have no hesitation in being there. chinese developed Gwadar port for the bakis - the list simply goes on.

That bakis have been our enemy is known to all under the sun - in spite of that if the chinese don’t have any hesitation in arming them, why should we hold ourselves back wrt Vietnam?

If we decide at fulfilling the request for whatever has been mentioned, we wont be doing even 10% of what the chinese are doing for bakis. They wont hold back unless we reply in kind. As far as brahmos is concerned, I don’t think the Russians are going to say no. Rest of the requested stuff (if the report is true) is well within our capacity.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 11 Nov 2011 20:40

India to prioritise construction of border roads along Tibet

wig · Post by **wig** » 15 Nov 2011 09:28

China: Google Earth spots huge, unidentified structures in Gobi desert

Vast, unidentified, structures have been spotted by satellites in the barren Gobi desert, raising questions about what China might be building in a region it uses for its military, space and nuclear programmes.
Other pictures show enormous concentric circles radiating on the ground, with three jets parked at their centre.

In one picture from 2007, a mass of orange blocks have been carefully arranged in a circle. In a more recent image, however, the blocks, each one the size of a shipping container, appear to have been scattered as far as three miles from the original site.

Another image shows an array of metallic squares littered with what appears to be the debris of exploded vehicles while another shows an intricate grid that is some 18 miles long.

All of the sites are on the borders of Gansu province and Xinjiang, some less than 100 miles from Jiuquan, the headquarters of China's space programme and the location of its launch pads.
The two reflective rectangles lie 70 miles from the nearest main road and there is no sign of any surrounding activity. However, Ding Xin military airbase, where China carries out its secret aircraft testing programme, is relatively nearby, at a distance of some 400 miles.

400 miles in the other direction is Lop Nur, the salt lakes where China tested 45 nuclear bombs between 1967 and 1995.

The purpose of the structures is unknown, but some experts suggested that they might be optical test ranges for Chinese missiles, to simulate the street grids of cities.

Tim Ripley, a defence expert from Jane's Defence Weekly, compared the structures to similar grids in Area 51, the secret United States military test base in Nevada. "The picture of the circle looks very like a missile test range, with target and instrumentation set out to record weapon effects. The Americans have lots of these in Nevada – Area 51!" he said

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... esert.html

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 15 Nov 2011 09:48

^^^ are there convenient bushes or the civilian photo enthusiasts would have to lug tumbleweed a long way into the Gobi-manchurian desert?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 15 Nov 2011 13:26

some rather nice pix of pla missiles
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-Ball ... ocId827329

Thomas Kolarek · Post by **Thomas Kolarek** » 16 Nov 2011 03:08

I like this

- China's concern.
It just reiterates we are going in the correct path.

Kukreja · Post by **Kukreja** » 17 Nov 2011 02:43

wig wrote:China: Google Earth spots huge, unidentified structures in Gobi desert

http://news.yahoo.com/mysterious-symbol ... 05935.html

It turns out that they are almost definitely used to calibrate China's spy satellites.

So says Jonathon Hill, a research technician and mission planner at the Mars Space Flight Facility at Arizona State University, which operates many of the cameras used during NASA's Mars missions. Hill works with images of the Martian surface taken by rovers and satellites, as well as data from Earth-orbiting NASA instruments.

The grids of zigzagging white lines seen in two of the images — the strangest of the various desert structures — are spy satellite calibration targets. Satellite cameras focus on the grids, which measure approximately 0.65 miles wide by 1.15 miles long, and use them to orient themselves in space.

The calibration targets are larger than might have been expected, he said, suggesting that the satellite cameras they are being used to calibrate have surprisingly poor ground resolution.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Nov 2011 02:52

Thomas Kolarek wrote:I like this - China's concern.
It just reiterates we are going in the correct path.

The funny part for me is

"In an era when precision-guided weapons are developing rapidly, everyone with common sense knows that concentrated troops could be eliminated easily", it said alleging that India is raising the China threat theory to increase defence spending at a time when its annual economic growth rate is falling.

Are they saying that they know that we have precision guided weapons and can take out their concentrated troop formations?

or

Are they are threatening us with bombing our formations with precision guided weapons, in which case they should be happy that India is making stupid plans.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 17 Nov 2011 03:31

Chinese are like Pakies, their thinking and their attitude are alike. Otherwise can they be taller than, deeper than, sweeter than friends?! They think and act as if the whole world is revolving around them and they can only use mental faculty to see common sense in everything. Stupid article, very much like all those commie propaganda material - high on tone, low on substance.

RajSingh · Post by **RajSingh** » 17 Nov 2011 03:50

These articles are mainly for domestic consumption. The party needs to justify its iron grip on the society and it makes up all these imaginary threats from US, Japan, India, SE Asia and everywhere. The people are mostly brainwashed and agree to it but you know slowly things are changing with internet penetration ( even though highly censored).

anyways don't give much thoughts to this , Chinese media should mostly be ignored !!

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 17 Nov 2011 09:43

Kukreja wrote:
wig wrote:China: Google Earth spots huge, unidentified structures in Gobi desert
http://news.yahoo.com/mysterious-symbol ... 05935.html

It turns out that they are almost definitely used to calibrate China's spy satellites.

So says Jonathon Hill, a research technician and mission planner at the Mars Space Flight Facility at Arizona State University, which operates many of the cameras used during NASA's Mars missions. Hill works with images of the Martian surface taken by rovers and satellites, as well as data from Earth-orbiting NASA instruments.

The grids of zigzagging white lines seen in two of the images — the strangest of the various desert structures — are spy satellite calibration targets. Satellite cameras focus on the grids, which measure approximately 0.65 miles wide by 1.15 miles long, and use them to orient themselves in space.

The calibration targets are larger than might have been expected, he said, suggesting that the satellite cameras they are being used to calibrate have surprisingly poor ground resolution.

Can we use the same grid to calibrate our camers?

rajrang · Post by **rajrang** » 17 Nov 2011 21:12

The US under Mr. Obama has finally shed its ambiguity with respect to China and and its role in the Asia/Pacific region. Why it took him nearly 3 years to do so is a mystery.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/1 ... 3%7C113541

A confluence of very very significant events within a span of few weeks - India's new mountain divisions, F-35 offer to India (even if it is only symbolic at this stage for different reasons), Vietnam's request for increased Indian military help and the above speech by Mr. Obama. Seems like a new Great Game has just begun with its epicenter in the South China Sea. Possibly this will be being underwritten by the US with India potentially playing the most important role together with Australia, Japan and Vietnam playing major roles. I recall that President Kennedy wanted something similar -"to make India an arsenal of democracy in the East" - but that never came to fruition for at least two reasons: one PM Nehru's confused non-alignment policy and second India's humiliating military defeat in 1962. Now a new era seems to be dawning, motivated in part by India's robust economic growth since 2003/04. (Finally the tiger is getting up from its slumber!)

One possible reaction from China (which is a paranoid nation) to break out of this perceived encirclement could be to "teach India a lesson" by a military incident (sinking a ship) or even a limited attack across the himalayas - in order to "remove" India from this equation hopefully for some more time.

The next clear international message to PRC will be to have a really massive naval exercise in the S China Sea (or should we call it Indo-China Sea or Vietnam Sea) that could also include British and French carriers. Even if the leaders in China had a minmum IQ of 100 they will understand the message.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 17 Nov 2011 21:39

rajrang wrote:The US under Mr. Obama has finally shed its ambiguity with respect to China and and its role in the Asia/Pacific region. Why it took him nearly 3 years to do so is a mystery.

One possible reaction from China (which is a paranoid nation) to break out of this perceived encirclement could be to "teach India a lesson" by a military incident (sinking a ship) or even a limited attack across the himalayas - in order to "remove" India from this equation hopefully for some more time.

The next clear international message to PRC will be to have a really massive naval exercise in the S China Sea (or should we call it Indo-China Sea or Vietnam Sea) that could also include British and French carriers. Even if the leaders in China had a minmum IQ of 100 they will understand the message.

Or they could sign a "Strategic Partnership" treaty with Iran to stamp their presence in Central Asia and put a spanner in US works.

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 18 Nov 2011 04:23

Futuristic chini hawai farce
especially the floating Aircraft carrier in the stratosphere...

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 18 Nov 2011 05:12

loved the caption at 3:15... Djin taknikk

And the patriotic music background seems highly approved and mandatorily appreciated

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 18 Nov 2011 05:23

Border Talks With China in the Hardest Phase

BajKhedawal · Post by **BajKhedawal** » 18 Nov 2011 08:44

hnair wrote: loved the caption at 3:15... Djin taknikk

And the patriotic music background seems highly approved and mandatorily appreciated

I wonder why Mr. Méiyǒu rén needs a glass cockpit?

Kailash · Post by **Kailash** » 18 Nov 2011 13:47

China, Indonesia to deepen ties

He also called for expanded energy cooperation, including oil, natural gas, coal, electric power, and new and renewable energy.

Wen also pushed for further maritime cooperation and strategic partnership.

Appreciating China’s support for the construction of its six economic corridors, Yudhoyono pledged concerted effort with China to promote cooperation in energy, industry, defence as well as in the maritime area.

vardhank · Post by **vardhank** » 18 Nov 2011 15:46

I'd spoke at one point on the LCA thread about selling LCAs at a cut-rate price, as a start to make sure our allies have the right equipment.
I have another proposal, if India wants to not be seen as overtly helping China's neighbours. India, behind the scenes, and as secretly as possible, should broker a deal between Russia and Vietnam for more of the Su-30s Vietnam already has, with Vietnam being offered a very competitive rate, and India footing the rest of the bill. Sure, it'd be expensive, but you'd be able to ensure that a key ally is sensibly armed, and both sides would owe us a big one.
Of course, this sort of deal could apply to any sort of equipment, just putting the fighters down as an example of leading-edge equipment countries like Vietnam would need, but can't afford enough of.

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 19 Nov 2011 04:09

Kevin Rudd rejects China concerns on Australia-US ties

During his trip, Mr Obama said the Asia-Pacific region was now a "top priority" of US security policy and pledged to help allies in the area.

China is locked in a territorial dispute with allies of the US, including the Philippines and Taiwan, over island groupings in the South China Sea.

So, the mandarin speaking, china a$$ kissing Aussie has gone "turn-coat"

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 19 Nov 2011 06:55

China’s Response To India’s Military Upgrade In Arunachal Pradesh: Classic Case Of ‘Security Dilemma’ – Analysis

Given the China’s continued aggressive claims over Arunachal Pradesh, India has taken a critical strategic decision in October this year to deploy the Brahmos supersonic cruise missile which has a flight range of 290 km in the eastern sector to strengthen its defense posture vis-à-vis China. A five year expansion plan to induct 90,000 more troops and deploy four more divisions in the eastern sector is also underway. Already, there are 120, 000 Indian troops stationed in the eastern sector, supported by two Sukhoi 30 MKI squadrons from Tezpur in Assam. The distance from Tezpur to Tawang is 345 kms and from Tawang to the Line of Actual Control (LAC) is 60 kms. The Sukhoi 30 MKI will cover the distance in less than 15 minutes given its cruise speed of 860 mph (1380 km/h) at 32780 ft (10000 m) and 1350 kmph over sea level.

In response to the upgraded Indian military posture in Arunachal Pradesh, a recent publication in the People’s Liberation Army’s official newspaper, PLA Daily, stated that India’s bold military moves in the eastern sector are motivated by a desire to “contain China” since India views China as a de facto competitor in Asia. The PLA Daily article further argued that in alliance with the West (read the US), India is aiming to balance China by carrying out the largest military upgrade since 1962 in the eastern sector.

This PLA view is rather ironical to say the least. Since 2006, it is China that has tried to undercut the rise of India in Asia by upping the ante in Arunachal Pradesh, much before India engaged in its current military upgrade in the eastern sector. In November 2006, just days before Chinese Premier Hu Jintao’s state visit to India, Chinese Ambassador to India, Sun Yuxi, stated that the whole of the state of Arunachal Pradesh is Chinese territory. In May 2007, China denied visa to Ganesh Koyu, an Indian Administrative Service (IAS) officer from Arunachal Pradesh, who was to be a part of a 107 IAS officer study visit to Beijing and Shanghai. China pointed out that Koyu is a Chinese citizen since he belongs to Arunachal Pradesh and hence could visit China without a visa. In June 2009, China again tried to block India’s request for US$ 2.9 billion loan from the Asian Development Bank (ADB) as the request included US$ 60 million for flood management, water supply, and sanitation project in Arunachal Pradesh. This was the first time that China sought to broadcast its claim on Arunachal Pradesh in a multi-lateral forum. Subsequently, in October 2009, China expressed deep dissatisfaction when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh visited Arunachal Pradesh as part of an election campaign for the state assembly elections. In November 2009, China openly protested the Dalai Lama’s visit to Arunachal Pradesh.
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The situation, as its stands today in India’s eastern sector, has come full circle. In the first place, China signals aggressive intent with regard to Arunachal Pradesh. It lays claim to the entire state of Arunachal Pradesh and has been upgrading its military presence in Tibet. As a counter-response, India upgrades its military infrastructure in Arunachal Pradesh to deter plausible Chinese aggression. China views the Indian military upgrade as a response to China’s rise in Asia forgetting that its own aggressive posture and military upgrade since 2006 has provoked the Indian response. The consequence of all this is a classic “security dilemma” requiring deft handling as any wrong signaling of intent or offensive military posture from either side could lead to conflict escalation.

vishnu.nv · Post by **vishnu.nv** » 19 Nov 2011 15:37

China is constructing a new airbase in COCO Islands. This could posses a very serious threat to our IOC supremacy and our Unsinkable carrier A&N.

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/11/ch ... sland.html

How many of you know that coco islands belonged to INDIA once?

navneeet · Post by **navneeet** » 20 Nov 2011 10:29

In The Indian Express this morning.

China now rehearses capture of Tibet passes

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/china ... es/878174/

“first joint actual-troop drill of the PLA air and ground troops under information-based conditions in frigid area with a high altitude”

“At the very beginning... the new type warplanes of the PLA Air Force conducted accurate strikes at the targets.... Shortly after seizing the commanding point, the long-range guns launched full-scale shooting at the command post and the artillery position of the enemy.”This was followed by the armoured vehicle group and infantry combat vehicles branching out into columns and launching a “sudden and violent attack on the mountain passes occupied by the enemy. The special operation detachment outflanked the enemy and raided the enemy’s command post”. Army aviation troops and anti-aircraft missiles, the report stated, provided cover.

Subsequently, the PLA report claims, after reaching a mountain pass at a height over 5,000 metres, the armoured vehicle group and the infantry combat vehicles “broke through the interdiction barrage of the enemy in succession”.

In a simultaneous effort, another mountain pass at a height of more than 5,000 metres but located “hundreds of kilometres away” was taken over.

preparing for action in two sectors?

vishnu.nv · Post by **vishnu.nv** » 20 Nov 2011 11:07

Give our men what they need to fight and rest in the arm chair watching them kicking ass of Chinese panda.

We need Artillery guns, attack choppers and light tanks urgently. I may say even urgent than the MRCA competition.

Christopher Sidor · Post by **Christopher Sidor** » 20 Nov 2011 13:19

navneeet wrote:In The Indian Express this morning.

China now rehearses capture of Tibet passes

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/china ... es/878174/

“first joint actual-troop drill of the PLA air and ground troops under information-based conditions in frigid area with a high altitude”

“At the very beginning... the new type warplanes of the PLA Air Force conducted accurate strikes at the targets.... Shortly after seizing the commanding point, the long-range guns launched full-scale shooting at the command post and the artillery position of the enemy.”This was followed by the armoured vehicle group and infantry combat vehicles branching out into columns and launching a “sudden and violent attack on the mountain passes occupied by the enemy. The special operation detachment outflanked the enemy and raided the enemy’s command post”. Army aviation troops and anti-aircraft missiles, the report stated, provided cover.

Subsequently, the PLA report claims, after reaching a mountain pass at a height over 5,000 metres, the armoured vehicle group and the infantry combat vehicles “broke through the interdiction barrage of the enemy in succession”.

In a simultaneous effort, another mountain pass at a height of more than 5,000 metres but located “hundreds of kilometres away” was taken over.

preparing for action in two sectors?

List of Himalayan passes which will see action in the 2nd Sino-India War, provided the assumption that LoC will not see any action by the PLA troops which have been deployed in Northern J&K, i.e. Gilgit. All the details given below are sourced from Wikipedia

Nathu La Pass. Sikkim-Tibet Border. Height=4310 meters.
Jelep La. Sikkim - Tibet Border. Height=4267 meters.
Dongkha la. Sikkim - Tibet Border. Height = 5486 meters.
Sela Pass. Arunachal Pradesh, Tawang District. connects Tawang District to Tezpur in Assam. Height = 4170 meters.
Bumla pass. Arunachal Pradesh - Tibet Border. Height = 5029 meters.
Bilafond La/Saltoro Pass. J&K on Siachen. Height = 5450 meters.
Sia La. J&K Near Siachen. Height = 5589 meters.
Changla Pass. J&K, Ladakh . Height = 5360 meters.
Gyong La. J&K, Near Siachen. Height = 5686 meters.
Khardong La. J&K, Near Siachen. Height = 5359 meters.
Sia La. J&K, Near Siachen. Height = 5589 meters.
Kongka La. J&K, Ladakh. Height = 5159 meters.
Marsimik La. J&K Ladakh. Height = 5582 meters.
Saser La. J&K Ladakh. Height = 5411 meters.
Shipki La. Himachal-Tibet Border. Height = 5669 meters.
Lipulekh Pass. Himachal-Tibet Border. Height = 5334 meters.
Mana Pass/Dungri La. Uttrakhand - Tibet Border. Height = 5608 meters.
Nama Pass. Uttarakhand-Tibet Border. Height = 5500 meters.
Sin La. Uttarakhand. Height = 5495 meters.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Nov 2011 14:52

Christopher Sidor wrote: China now rehearses capture of Tibet passes

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/china ... es/878174/

List of Himalayan passes which will see action in the 2nd Sino-India War, provided the assumption that LoC will not see any action by the PLA troops which have been deployed in Northern J&K, i.e. Gilgit. All the details given below are sourced from Wikipedia

Nathu La Pass. Sikkim-Tibet Border. Height=4310 meters.

Jelep La. Sikkim - Tibet Border. Height=4267 meters.

Dongkha la. Sikkim - Tibet Border. Height = 5486 meters.

Sela Pass. Arunachal Pradesh, Tawang District. connects Tawang District to Tezpur in Assam. Height = 4170 meters.

Bumla pass. Arunachal Pradesh - Tibet Border. Height = 5029 meters.

Bilafond La/Saltoro Pass. J&K on Siachen. Height = 5450 meters.

Sia La. J&K Near Siachen. Height = 5589 meters.

Changla Pass. J&K, Ladakh . Height = 5360 meters.

Gyong La. J&K, Near Siachen. Height = 5686 meters.

Khardong La. J&K, Near Siachen. Height = 5359 meters.

Sia La. J&K, Near Siachen. Height = 5589 meters.

Kongka La. J&K, Ladakh. Height = 5159 meters.

Marsimik La. J&K Ladakh. Height = 5582 meters.

Saser La. J&K Ladakh. Height = 5411 meters.

Shipki La. Himachal-Tibet Border. Height = 5669 meters.

Lipulekh Pass. Himachal-Tibet Border. Height = 5334 meters.

Mana Pass/Dungri La. Uttrakhand - Tibet Border. Height = 5608 meters.

Nama Pass. Uttarakhand-Tibet Border. Height = 5500 meters.

Sin La. Uttarakhand. Height = 5495 meters.

What about passes in China. We intend to take the war there saar.

Christopher Sidor · Post by **Christopher Sidor** » 20 Nov 2011 16:38

There are two notable passes in Tibet and East Turkestan. Other than that not many. Tibet is a plateau. We will not see much mountain warfare there. More of the desert or semi-arid warfare type.

East Turkestan is different beast all together. If we are to capture it, and we will have to if we want to protect the left flank of our army operating out of Tibet, then we will require to traverse the Tarim Basin, one of the largest dry hard plains and the Tian Shan mountain ranges. I have not investigated the mountain passes of the "Tian Shan" mountain ranges, but will update it once I have done it.

Boreas · Post by **Boreas** » 20 Nov 2011 17:22

vishnu.nv wrote:China is constructing a new airbase in COCO Islands. This could posses a very serious threat to our IOC supremacy and our Unsinkable carrier A&N.

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/11/ch ... sland.html

How many of you know that coco islands belonged to INDIA once?

If that means chinese making airstrip for mayanmar than yes.

else I think its an established fact that coco islands is no longer used by chinese, and considering fresh warmness in Indo-Burma ties, it looks further a distant thought.

All I know is there is some chinese equipment present there, which was bought from china/abandoned by chinese and is now used by mayanmar millitary. In any case no significant telemetery/sigint installation is present.

The smaller island is used by mayanmar navy.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 20 Nov 2011 19:38

shiv wrote: <SNIP>What about passes in China. We intend to take the war there saar.

Shiv, you actually missed the fun in the above report. The pass was at 5000mtrs+. All right. But please explain me this - which of the above passess are situated such that they will allow use of armored and mechanized assets and airborne troops? I mean, look at the irony of the situation - the lizard has to all but fart and Indian have their dhotis in twist. And one pass which can see action from such formations (apart from Marsimik La) - Karakoram Pass, is simply missing.

Did anyone bother to look where these passes are located? And while they are all 4000mtrs+, has anyone bothered to check the gradient of these passes? I mean, Khardon La? Or Bilafond La? Come on, we can do better.