Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 2011

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 23 Nov 2011 16:42

Marut wrote:
sum wrote:Finally some different perspective after all the MKB/BK India-Pak bhai bhai articles all over the place:
Why Pakistan's peace overtures are a diversionary tactic
An excellent article by the Col. Athale. It is very consistent the arguments he made during a discussion with him six months ago and the situation has panned out along the broad strokes he painted. He argued that it was not the upper class and elite who are the problem but the radicalized middle and lower class which has been fed and brought up with a steady diet of anti-India anti-Hindu propaganda that will prevent any reconciliation between India-Pak. He believed that post OBL raid the situation in Pak will rapidly deteriorate and the civilian govt will find its credibility sinking sooner than later. In such an atmosphere, political parties and military will play nice with us to rally behind them once the American aid starts to peter out. We should not be falling for this feint which will come back to bite us later on as he said. Of course letting Pak collapse is also not a very bright scenario given their nukes and the blackmail that they are capable of, so we are caught between the devil and the deep sea. He admitted that he had no clue about how we can manage this collapse scenario without getting affected significantly.

That can only be possible by effectively neutralizing the nuclear threat. Americans have the technology to look for even the faintest radiation from 30,000 feet. They have done it before and it works. It must be tried again. The technology can be fit only on a transport plane like C-130. Then it is only committing to do a grid search of the entire country. We will find it.

Marut · Post by **Marut** » 23 Nov 2011 16:48

The ProPublica article about David Headley sheds a bit of light on this elusive Sajid Mir. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... s-suspect/

Apparently, Headley tried to tempt Mir into coming to Germany for a meeting once he was taken in to custody by FBI but Mir failed to bite.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 23 Nov 2011 16:50

SSridhar wrote:
Of course, the elections are two years away, but, the next few months would be interesting to watch and see what techniques are employed. The PA is very angry and therefore may even force instability in the very near future and try to install Imran Khan through a sleight of hand.

SS Sir. If Imran is the chosen one, then elections are not so far off. Specially after the Memogate scam, when PA has no doubt that PPP is doing everything it can to get rid of Kiyani / Pasha.

I don't think they will risk to wait 2 more years. Secondly, PML N wouldn't want to wait either. More time they give to Imran, the more he gains, specially in Punjab. he has already beaten them once in Lahore by elections.

PPP is the only one bidding for time. With there numbers if they are able to keep their members intact then things will be difficult for Army / PML N. But already people are moving out. As you said interesting days ahead.

BTW, biggest losers will be MQM in short term as well as long. This time they are not guaranteed anti PPP votes because both Imran and Sharif brothers are quite active in Sindh. They will though retain Karachi because of Mujahir votes.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Nov 2011 17:05

Sri, yes, I agree.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Nov 2011 17:11

Taking a big gamble - Seema Sirohi
A very forthright, no-nonsense article surprisingly in ToI, the Aman-ki-Tamasha paper.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 23 Nov 2011 17:48

SSridhar garu
There is a sudden sense of spirit in Baloch leaders. Someone must have assured Balochis that they will cover their back in case something went wrong. Is it "India" or "US" or both or neither?
Altair

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 23 Nov 2011 18:13

Wont be surprised if HH is a Green Card holder already

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Nov 2011 18:27

Altair wrote:There is a sudden sense of spirit in Baloch leaders. Someone must have assured Balochis that they will cover their back in case something went wrong. Is it "India" or "US" or both or neither?
Altair

Altair ji, I only wish that both India and the US coordinate their activities regarding PA. For the US, PA's shelf-life is reaching expiry date and sensing that PA is trying to make the best of the limited time period. Like a chess player, PA is employing multiple defences and one of which is the invitation to PLA. PA is worried about the Sind & the Punjab. Balochistan, like the tides, has its ebbs and lows. I wouldn't read too much into any new awakening there. They have been fighting for six decades with few limited success .

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 23 Nov 2011 18:34

Altair wrote:SSridhar garu
There is a sudden sense of spirit in Baloch leaders. Someone must have assured Balochis that they will cover their back in case something went wrong. Is it "India" or "US" or both or neither?
Altair

Actally, Karzai is by far the most factually/politically drivan rationale. Both US & India have other interests to balance, not the BLA/ Karzai. The PRC prob has just as compelling reasons, but geography trumps them with paki the disgusting slob sitting atop routes to Gwadar. So, my best guess is Karzai/BLA/may be Iranian ayatollah.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 23 Nov 2011 18:38

SSridhar wrote: Altair ji, I only wish that both India and the US coordinate their activities regarding PA.

I think it is too much to ask for even for BRFites! I would place better odds on India acquiring B-2's on lease, atleast there is a financial reward for US!

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 23 Nov 2011 19:48

Sherry Rehman is next paki envoy to US. Sad, I was hoping PA will push for Shah Mehmood Qureshi. What a fun that would be!

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 23 Nov 2011 19:56

abhijitm wrote:Sherry Rehman is next paki envoy to US. Sad, I was hoping PA will push for Shah Mehmood Qureshi. What a fun that would be!

Hillary is calling the shots on Pakistan affairs. PA believe that it helps to have a "female to female" talk and slug it out. hence you have our Khar and now Sherry. I would not be surprised to see a female PM for Pakistan just to complete the circle.May be Hillary really humiliated the "mards" beyond repair and Pakis realized this would repeat again. hence the aurat!
I dont think Qureshi was even considered.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Nov 2011 20:53

Sum, The Brits had a tradition of going off the books or native for plausible deniability. So most likely this Sajid Mir is still an ISI operative may be nominally off the books. No wonder he didn't go to see Headley. Most likely the deep state might already have alerted him of the switchero.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Nov 2011 20:59

PA's H&D is intact after repeated penetrations and violations by drones and sundry. I guess PA will continue to pretend H&D is intact regardless of whatever. Its only when India lands a blow like abbotabad or something that the pretense becomes too much even for the PA to pull off...clearly. Which is why India's moves to dilute, downplay, conflate, shrug off or otherwise obscure 26/11 ain;t smart.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 23 Nov 2011 21:01

Old video of Groper at his best!
Wonder what Sherry would have to say now

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 Nov 2011 21:44

sum wrote:Finally some different perspective after all the MKB/BK India-Pak bhai bhai articles all over the place:

Why Pakistan's peace overtures are a diversionary tactic

SSridhar wrote:Taking a big gamble - Seema Sirohi

A very forthright, no-nonsense article surprisingly in ToI, the Aman-ki-Tamasha paper.

Similar stuff from G. Parthasarathy who is also critical of the policy being followed by the Congress Party dominated UPA Administration of our Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh with regard to relations with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Don't be fooled by MFN and Maldives

Pakistan's MFN move, and its sweet talk at the Maldives summit, should be seen in the larger context of its double-speak on terrorism and its attempt to buy time before its bluff is truly called. Its jihadi intent has by no means disappeared.

Upendra · Post by **Upendra** » 23 Nov 2011 22:02

abhishek_sharma wrote:Views from the left

Talk under pressure

The CPI argues the “verbal duel” between India and Pakistan over resumption of dialogue shows that the rulers of both the countries are increasingly depending on the US even for an improvement in bilateral relations, which “is a bad omen for the entire region.” The editorial in New Age says that, till some time ago, sections within the Indian government had adopted a tough posture vis-a-vis Pakistan, claiming Islamabad is not serious about prosecuting the perpetrators of 26/11. “But the chorus was diluted when the FBI arrested someone who happens to be a US citizen of Pakistani origin as the mastermind of the Mumbai attack. Though our intelligence agencies have not been allowed access to the arrested American, despite a visit to the USA, we are now in two minds: whether to depend on our own investigations or rely on what the Americans are giving out,” it claims.

The editorial claims this confusion was reflected when New Delhi all of a sudden proposed the resumption of dialogue. It goes on to attack the US’s motives: “We must realise that American imperialists have their own agenda for this region. The growing difficulties in Afghanistan for the occupying forces have forced the Obama administration to drag in new allies... The USA needs both India and Pakistan. That should explain American interest in a resumption of dialogue,” it argues.

It, however, adds that for peace and political stability and to fight terrorism and religious fundamentalism, “a sustainable peace process between India and Pakistan is inevitable.” It calls for de-linking dialogue with prosecution of the “presumed culprits” of 26/11.

Commies proving again why they are always a threat to people's lives, this time shielding the pakistani terrorist establishment. Shows the contempt in which the commies hold the life of a common man.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 23 Nov 2011 22:07

Old video of Groper at his best!
Wonder what Sherry would have to say now

Sherry - Ah-salae-um-wah-lekein-kyu? At least he didn't force me to take a Kanadian vijja. He is quite a piece of Paki mard - "Man of Peace".

Allahmidullah. AoA

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 Nov 2011 22:43

Sadanand Dhume writing in the Wall Street Journal reckons that “A charismatic envoy's sudden downfall is the chance for Washington to move from engagement with Islamabad to containment”. By that Sadanand Dhume means that the US should follow a policy that places “less emphasis on carrots such as aid and advanced equipment” and “more on sticks such as targeted sanctions against military officers involved in aiding America's enemies and more unilateral Abbottabad-style raids against high-value targets”:

A U.S.-Pakistan Reset

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Nov 2011 22:49

That article means he hasn't understood the memogate caper and US non role in it.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 24 Nov 2011 00:11

The Last Friendly Pakistani

http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... ni/249009/

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Nov 2011 00:44

Re Memogate.

Will the US charge Mansour Ijaz to register as a foreign agent and book him like Ghulam Nabi Fai for failing to do so?

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 24 Nov 2011 01:29

for paklurks.

Pakistan no match for Indian wrestlers

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 24 Nov 2011 02:06

ramana wrote:That article means he hasn't understood the memogate caper and US non role in it.

Ramana garu,

I agree with your assessment on the US side of things – I mean even ignoring MI’s memo (I personally am suspect of the memo’s origin in May, considering how quickly things moved right after WH/SD’s non-endorsement of MM’s testimony and the flimsy reasoning MI mentioned for his disclosure of the memo in FT – read his answer carefully in Burkha Butt’s interview), US squandered away the opportunity in the days following OBL raid to somehow maximize gains on the civilian sides - so much for standing by democratic institutions and spreading democracy in the world. This is another latest example of US’s hollowness when it comes to encouraging democracy even in the face of hostile actions by PA/ISI.
How is it the fault of paki civvies to maximize power (from near zero) when they have a chance of a lifetime like OBL in PA’s backyard?
Secondly, even ignoring MI’s memo, the (non) controversy about diverging views of MM and WH/SD on the paki army/intelligence/jihadis is subdued. Given the attacks on US soldiers and embassy, this non action is T’ship by one of the two. Either MM is sold out and gave testimony for a price (or whatever reason) or WH/SD sold out armed forces and chose inaction for whatever reason? Which one is it?

On the Paki side of the things in this situation, one has to assume that HH/Z don’t know their place in the overall grand scheme of things (thereby overplaying their role) while underestimating the role of PA/ISI much beyond the rag-tag jihadis and af-pak. Could be fair assumption or may be not. Hence there is a need for caution while analyzing this situation even at our end.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Nov 2011 02:11

US squandered away the opportunity in the days following OBL raid to somehow maximize gains on the civilian sides - so much for standing by democratic institutions and spreading democracy in the world.

Just like the Pak military the US govt also does not trust the Pak civilian govt. This should be obvious to BRF members by now. US establishment have supported Pak military for 50 years for a specific purpose and to have similar objectives in the region. There is no way they are going to just give this away to be squandered by some civilians who dont have popular support and are do not support the geo political strategy. Problem for the Pakistan is that the the geo political strategy in the region is bigger than the Pakistan elite, Pakistan military and Pakistan govt. They are just pawns in the big game.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Nov 2011 02:17

There has been a upgrade in the strategy recently in the last 5 years in the region.
Pakistan is unable to cope up with the new demands and PA/ISI is baulking to the new demand

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 24 Nov 2011 02:28

Sudip wrote:The American Behind The 2008 Attack On Mumbai

Nice article worth reading

Just read the article then heard the whole damn interview audio as well, coming to the PigLeT Sajid Mir, i did some google search and found that in addition to DCH, this PigLeT Sajid Mir was also doing Reconnaissance in summer of 2005 during a cricket match between India and piggistan at Feroze Shah Kotla. Now reading all this makes me wonder why do we allow the scum of the earth pigs from piggistan to come to india and openly do ground Reconnaissance? There should be no pigs allowed to come in and if any IM's or even other religion WKK's want to go visit piggistan (in remembrance of their long lost roots), they shud just stay there. Piggistan is BioHazard for us and we better not have any contact with shitistan, coz who wants to touch or go into shit.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 24 Nov 2011 02:32

With the hoisting of Imran Khan as TSPA's PM candidate, I can only say that it was a very fortunate day for India when Diana, Princess of Wales, met her sticky end back in 1997.

Diana and her Saudi-RAPE boyfriend, Dodi Al Fayed, were bum chums of Jemima and Imran Khan... visited them often in Pakistan to enjoy puccah royal treatment from white-gloved waiters. Diana herself had an affair with a Paki heart surgeon named Hasnat Khan, while she was still married to Charles. A 400% Paki-phile in the making.

Had she been alive today... with the super-massive level of media attention she commanded in the West... she would have been worth 1 million Ghulam Nabi Fais as a propaganda asset to the ISI. As it is, the Pakis are trying to prop up Imran Khan's ex-wife Jemima as a propaganda mouthpiece in the West... with her making films about drone-strike "atrocities" and everything... but she is very small potatoes compared to what Diana would have been.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 24 Nov 2011 02:37

Shaashtanga wrote:

... coming to the PigLeT Sajid Mir, i did some google search and found that in addition to DCH, this PigLeT Sajid Mir was also doing Reconnaissance in summer of 2005 during a cricket match between India and piggistan at Feroze Shah Kotla....

For all you know, given the PMO's Aman Ki Aasha and S&M Krishna's MFN tendencies... Sajid Mir might be one of the 7500 "missing" Pakis in India right now, doing recces for more attacks by "domestic Indian Mujahedin rebels."

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 24 Nov 2011 03:14

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20111123/main4.htm

Pakistan raising green wall along border to blind BSF
Jupinderjit Singh/TNS

Chicken Neck (Kanachak), November 22
While continuing making concrete bunkers along the international border in the Jammu area, Pakistan is erecting a wall of trees to block the view of the BSF. The line of sight has reduced from 2 km to half-a-km or less, where the saplings have grown to considerable height.

With foggy winter approaching fast, the BSF is worried that the blocked sight would aid infiltration in the region. They have formally (in writing) objected to the Pak Rangers, who replied they were just planting saplings for the sake of environment.

Some saplings planted within last year have grown to considerable height in this highly sensitive and strategic border area near Akhnoor. Encouraged by it, new saplings have now been planted on almost all along the border from Kathua to Akhnoor. The new saplings have come especially in the Samba-RS Pura belt, from where infiltration attempts are often made.

Despite four wars and the continuous proxy war against India, this move to use a natural wall of trees to block movement across the border has been observed for the first time.

The Tribune team witnessed the obstruction in the line of sight of the BSF during the day as well as night hours on this border. BSF sources said they pruned some of the trees, whose branches extended to Indian side, but they can’t uproot trees as they were away from Zero Line.

Most of the trees or the saplings are of Sheesham species but at some places the fast growing ‘Arandi’ (Castor) tree were also planted. This tree spreads in a large area fast as it strews seeds all around it.

The BSF is relying heavily on night vision equipment using the thermal imaging or the satellite imaging to keep a watch on the activity in the counterpart area. “It is an issue of grave concern for us. Earlier, it was just the seasonal wild grass ‘sarkanda’ in which militants used to hide before attempting to enter India. The trees would be there for all time,” a BSF official said.

'Chicken Neck' vs 'Dagger'?

India surrounds Pakistan from three sides at the 'Chicken Neck' area, which Pakistan terms as 'Dagger'. Pakistan uses the name to suggest that its land extending into the Indian territory is like a dagger in India's heart. On the other hand, India calls it the chicken’s neck suggesting that it is a weak neck (of Pakistan) that can be twisted anytime.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 24 Nov 2011 03:24

So Sherry is the new Paki Amby to the US and the world over people are rejoicing about Zardari's "guile" about appointing a "Liberal Pakistani". http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asi ... story.html Some articles (like that in AP) even go to the extent of saying that the "Civvies still have a fight left in them".

One curious thing pointed out to me by someone who drives a bus for someone who knows some related to Sherry: Ejaz Haider was appointed to lead Jinnah Institute (established by Sherry, which she was heading) a full week *before* Hussain Haqqani tendered his resignation. So she was confident about alternate employment very quickly. At that time, only the Army knew that they are going to gun for Hussain Haqqani's head. Which would mean.....

Nothing to see here folks. This is a well-disguised but a complete victory for the Army.

PS> Somebody should read this report to understand what kind of Ambassador she will be. Somebody please do the needful.

http://jinnah-institute.org/programs/st ... licy-elite

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 24 Nov 2011 04:30

Not sure if this was posted earlier.

Some juicy tidbits here by that infernal Mohammad Malick, whose only ambition in life is to become another Ejaz Haider, i.e., to become a servicee who is regularly serviced by Assphuck and other Pindi mards.

Malick has been frothing at the lips severely these past few weeks over Memogate. Nothing short of HH's head on a platter will placate him.

BTW, in this, he is joined by that Prophet-e-nabuwat-e-na-khatam Zaid Hamid, who, on his facebook page, has put up a picture of zionist agent HHaqqani, called him a "snake", and has openly and explictly called for Haqqani to be hung from "Lamp posts in Islamabad".

Now what?
by
Mohammad Malick

In June this year, Haqqani reportedly played dinner host to a couple of prominent former federal ministers along with their spouses. ... The dinner guests also included a few Americans including a leading functionary of the Homeland Security Department. The dinner conversation flowed the way of drinks. Tongues loosened up. Guards came down. At one point, Ambassador Haqqani reportedly told his rather startled Pakistani friends that the Americans had identified 362 military targets in Pakistan, including 28 in and around Islamabad alone, and asked our prominent friend to share his address so in case he was near one of the chosen targets he could be told to move away to safety. These targets, according to the shared discussion, included even the residences of irritating military decision makers and not just security affairs related installations.

Haqqani, according to one of the many dinner guests, then talked rather boisterously about his extremely close links with the US administration and at one point reportedly told his guests that whenever he went to have a meeting with his US counterparts he decided unilaterally what he had to say and not what his government wanted him to. “Every time I have a candid discussion with them, and that is why they trust me. At the end of my meetings, I leave the FO brief telling them it was my official duty to hand over this pack of official lies,” he reportedly told his Pakistani guests.

Also, BTW, if you have forgotten, and are need of an entertainment refresher, here is the link to a video interview where Malick rages and rails at Prof. Walter Russell Mead because the good professor would not yield, and would not concede, that IndiaPakistan are equal-equal.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 24 Nov 2011 04:32

@Anujan ^^^: +1. Sherry was offered two choices: Qadrification or a telegenic marketing job to keep the begging bowl front and center in DC. This is the Maleeha Lodhi model.

Survivalist that she is, she picked the option of being the ISI sock puppet and embraced sisterhood tunneling to the three furies in the state department:

http://www.salon.com/2011/03/22/women_f ... _open2011/

Maleeha pulled that same shtick with Christina LaRocca and other sisters in the DoS.

You are right. It's not Zardari, its Gilani/ISI/PA

OTOH, we have S Magoo Krishna who will read out the owners manual for someone's iPad.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 24 Nov 2011 05:06

^^^
It is not that simple. She was always in the pocket of Jernails. There are many interesting stories of her. The "Liberal" face is a carefully constructed facade.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 24 Nov 2011 06:30

Anujan wrote:Nothing to see here folks. This is a well-disguised but a complete victory for the Army.

Apparently PA (via NS) is not satisfied with HH's job but wants to go for the whole hog: Nawaz takes memo to SC

“The ones who initiated the memorandum, the ones who rendered any help or assistance in the matter and those who blessed or approved of it are culpable for acts of high treason against the state and constitution”,

And Imran says: Only Zardari behind memo

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 24 Nov 2011 07:07

A group photo of Pakistan Muslim League-Q President, Ch.Shujaat Hussain with Sikh leaders during his visit to the Sikh holy shrine of Golden Temple at Amritsar in the northwest Indian state of Punjab on Monday, November 21, 2011. Muslim League-Q leaders, Mushahid Hussain Syed, Mian Imran Masood, Salik Hussain and other also seen in picture.

Hussain, who is chairman of the Pakistan Kabaddi Federation, visited India to watch the Kabaddi World Cup final in Ludhiana. He visited the Golden Temple today while on his way back to Pakistan. He said the annual trade between the two countries had touched 2.4 billion dollars while there was traffic of around 350 trucks daily via the Attari-Wagah land route for trade. Another Pakistan Muslim League (PML-Q) leader, Imran Masood, said the charter for Guru Nanak Dev University at Nankana Sahib was being prepared. He said the university would facilitate research in religious studies. He said a gurdwara and an inn would also be built on the university campus.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Nov 2011 07:13

We need to see more saffron shawls and turbans

arun · Post by **arun** » 24 Nov 2011 07:14

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the worlds first “Ideological Muslim State”, the “more pious” Mohammadden elements are upset by the appointment of Shehrbano “Sherry” Rehman as Ambassador to the US as she stands accused of following “Anti-Islam” practices:

Blasphemy: Sunni Tehreek lambast Sherry Rehman's appointment

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 24 Nov 2011 07:51

Anujan wrote:^^^
It is not that simple. She was always in the pocket of Jernails. There are many interesting stories of her. The "Liberal" face is a carefully constructed facade.

I think you misunderstand. All 'telegenic' visible pakis are in the pockets of the 'jernails.' It's that or Qadrification. She's drunk the Kool-Aid but she's going to resonate with the sisterhood of the furies. The Jernails are PR pros.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Nov 2011 08:05

Anujan wrote: The "Liberal" face is a carefully constructed facade.

Anujan ji is absolutely correct. As is true of the uber RAPE class, the liberal face is always a mask. Those in India who seek talks and peace with Pakistan fall for that.