Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 2011

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 10 Dec 2011 02:35

SSridhar wrote:Pakistan upgrades air defences along Afghan border to beat back US, NATO, ISAF.
Pakistan has upgraded its air defence system on the Afghan border to make it capable of shooting down aircraft, after Nato strikes killed 24 Pakistani soldiers, a security official told AFP on Friday.

Now, that was quick. Quick decisions, quick availability of capital for upgrades, quick turnaround by foreign (Chinese) suppliers, quick implementation, quick sale of "Henceforth, all is now well" to a gullible public...

saip · Post by **saip** » 10 Dec 2011 02:41

There you go. US does not give a hoot about the new defense system. They can take it down in two minutes, I am sure.

US plays down new Pak air-defence system

Link

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 10 Dec 2011 02:44

Jhujar wrote:Pakistan's ailing President, Asif Ali Zardari....was "coherent, well-informed" and counted till 10

Scientifically proven that Zardari is not an absolute idiot. Only an idiot in parts and when he is drooling.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 10 Dec 2011 02:50

saip wrote:There you go. US does not give a hoot about the new defense system. They can take it down in two minutes, I am sure. US plays down new Pak air-defence system

Link

Porki new air defence system called the "PakArrow" (Note the new aiming technology for 100% strike ratio:

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 10 Dec 2011 02:53

never ending saga of duspercent illness.
now grapevine is he has bled in his brain, has stroke may land in london.

coup in pukistan with permanent exile.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Dec 2011 03:05

Soon, The Genius of Dus Numbri will come to play.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_khappay
Pakistan khappay

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Pakistan khappay (Urdu: پاکستان کھپےا) is a Sindhi language phrase which means "We want Pakistan (to exist)".[1] The phrase is controversial and notably has an irony attached to it as it means the exact opposite in Urdu and Punjabi, in which the word khappay is used to describe the state of being ruined, messed or distortedThe term was first used and coined by President Asif Ali Zardari. When Benazir Bhutto was assassinated and there was a sort of insurgence shown by the Pakistan Peoples Party activists, some supporters apparently chanted "Pakistan Na Khappay!"(We don't want Pakistan) in anger.
Critics of Asif Ali Zardari and PPP question if he meant a Punjabi meaning or a Sindhi meaning when he said ‘Pakistan Khappay’. People’s confusion regarding this word “khappay” has increased since President Zardari has delivered speeches, first in Faisalabad on 17 January and then in Talagang (Danda Shah Bilawal) on 21 January, when he gave speeches in Punjabi on both occasions and he used this phrase. Critic Mohammad Aazam writes
“[b] I fear, he is right in his words. He has been using “khappay” in Punjabi, not in Sindhi, from the last two years. How can it be possible that his speech is in Punjabi and his “khappay” is in Sindhi? While we can evidently see that Pakistan is really in a state of "khappay" (the Punjabi one) since long. [/b]

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Dec 2011 03:10

He needs to count to ten only for his percentage which is based on half of Muhammed which was 1/5 of the loot.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 10 Dec 2011 03:38

On several instances pakarmy spread rumors of Z being mentally unstable. If he can install Bilawal right away, he can take advantage of parkamy propagandu and get out of memo gate court case unscathed. He can very well admit his asking HH to draft memo but then he was getting a dimaag ka jhatka at that time an didn't really mean it

he can then rule via remote control, a skill apparently mastered to perfection across the border.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 10 Dec 2011 04:05

Wasn't it the military doctors who checked him said all was fine. Wise man not to trust them an inch. Probably saved his life.

BTW what manner of beast is this 'mini-strike'. Similar to half virgin?

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 10 Dec 2011 04:07

It will be tough for Zardari to claim mental incompetence. Hamid Mir just administered him the reflex memory test of counting to 10 (percent), which he passed with flying colors!

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 10 Dec 2011 05:09

Jhujar wrote:Soon, The Genius of Dus Numbri will come to play.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_khappay
Pakistan khappay
He has been using “khappay” in Punjabi, not in Sindhi, from the last two years. How can it be possible that his speech is in Punjabi and his “khappay” is in Sindhi? While we can evidently see that Pakistan is really in a state of "khappay" (the Punjabi one) since long.

That was pure genius. Bar for Bilawal is set high. Alas he can't say..baap numbri to beta dus nambri..he needs to do better..baap dus numbri to beta sau numbri

When Bilawal comes in, instead of pakistan paindabutt, he should have good slogans..like "Pakistan Gun Maraye" and should fire bullets in the air

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Dec 2011 06:10

Gilani warns of ‘detrimental response’ to border attacks
http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/09/kayani-a ... istan.html

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani on Friday warned the US and its Nato allies that any future cross-border attack would meet with a “detrimental response.”US-Pakistani relations plunged to a new low last month after a cross-border Nato air strike which killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.Gilani made the comments while meeting army chief of staff General Ashfaq Kayani, the prime minister’s secretariat said in a statement.“The democratic government would not allow similar attack on the country’s sovereignty and any attempt in future will definitely meet the detrimental response,” the statement quoted Gilani as saying.Pakistani security officials earlier said they had upgraded the air defence system on the Afghan border to make it capable of shooting down aircraft.Kayani informed the prime minister of the steps taken on the western boarders to revamp defence capabilities aimed at effectively countering any future incursion into Pakistani territory.“The government and the people of Pakistan were ready to provide the armed forces all the necessary resources to bolster its defence and professional capabilities,” Gilani said.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 10 Dec 2011 06:15

Groper is being clever here. He doesn't say who it will be detrimental to, US or bakistan. I am waiting for the day when some of the uniformed jihadis on the border get lucky and manage to damage/shoot down a NATO helicopter. Then it will be time to grab the popcorn.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Dec 2011 06:21

Amriki Babbu Doing Number on On Paki cut
Need to eliminate terrorist sanctuaries in Pakistan; Nato attack not intentional: Dempsey

WASHINGTON: The head of US Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey said there were terrorist sanctuaries in Pakistan which needed to change along with the country’s influence on Afghanistan, Geo News reported. The US general further said that the Nato attack in Mohamand Agency was not intentional.
“We did not attack the Pakistani check post and are waiting for the results of the investigation, what did we have to gain from this attack?” Dempsey said. The US general also said that he had spoken to Chief of Army Staff General Kayani about the attack and relations with Pakistan.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 10 Dec 2011 06:26

I am waiting for the day when some of the uniformed jihadis on the border get lucky and manage to damage/shoot down a NATO helicopter. Then it will be time to grab the popcorn.

Either way, the same result will be visible next drone strike. Just see what happens. Next move by Dronacharya is critical.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Dec 2011 06:42

nachiket wrote:Groper is being clever here. He doesn't say who it will be detrimental to, US or bakistan. I am waiting for the day when some of the uniformed jihadis on the border get lucky and manage to damage/shoot down a NATO helicopter. Then it will be time to grab the popcorn.

Well they have been doing that since 2004 at least and NATO/US have barely reacted. As long as un-uniformed jihadis do it the US is too stupid to catch on and Pakis know that. The US is as bad as China and Pakistan when it comes to pretending and saving echandee. The only country that openly says "We got fyuked" is India. Th rest of the world all look smart and TFTA and act like they are winning all the time. And people actually fall for that

It is only our imagination that NATO/US will react strongly that makes us imagine that big things will happen. One attack killing 24 soldiers since 2004? Big deal. Sorry to pisk in here - but we often convince ourselves that Indian reactions are weak and that US/NATO reactions will be strong. But that is not happening. What the US is doing is playing a silly game with Pakistan where Pakis are killing US/NATO soldiers and even shooting down helos and say "Oh Not us. Bad baaad Taliban". So the US sends in Reapers and say "Oh. Not us. Baad Baad drone killing bad baaad Taliban. This is far more napunsak (even it it is high tech napunsak) than the intense artillery bombardment that Pakis used to get in the old days when the anti-Paki fence was not yet up on the Indian Pakistan border.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Dec 2011 06:57

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/ ... ns-secure/
Are Pakistan's nuclear weapons secure?

America has been concerned about the safety of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons since 2004, and there have been media reports that America has plans to send special security forces to safeguard the nuclear arsenal in case of instability in Pakistan. But America has denied any such reports and Pakistani authorities ridiculed the idea of US troops coming to the country to help safeguard nuclear weapons. Pakistan argues it can protect its own nuclear weapons, and earlier this month, the Pakistani government stated that it will train 8,000 additional troops to protect its nuclear weapons.One major priority for the United States is to ensure that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons do not reach the hands of terrorists. Multiple attacks on Pakistani military facilities in recent years heightened those fears. In reality, none of the attacks were of any serious nature and all the culprits were captured and trialed in military courts.
China has played a major role in the development of Pakistani nuclear weapons, as the western countries made it impossible to export nuclear weapons and technology to Pakistan. China is also supporting Pakistan to construct institutes to generate nuclear energy as Pakistan is facing shortages of energy.The main reason for acquiring nuclear weapons by Pakistan is to prevent any future attack by India. There has been no war between India and Pakistan since both the nations conducted nuclear tests and residents of both countries hope nuclear weapons will continue to deter any attacks. Since 2001, the US has supplied Pakistan with about 100 million dollars to safeguard its nuclear weapons. Pakistan has developed a weapons release program which requires checks and balances. Pakistan is meeting the international standards in order to fulfill the international pressure over the issue of the security of its nuclear weapons.Pakistan has been developing strategies to survive a possible nuclear war, as it has developed hard and deeply buried nuclear launch facilities to retain a nuclear strike capability after a nuclear attack.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Dec 2011 07:17

Every time they want to ratchet the pressure on TSP worry about nukes gets aired like old pindi chana products. TSP will make some noises and concessions. Seymour Hersh will assure all iz well etc in New Yorker...

Its like boy cried wulf!
Soon the wolves will get them.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 Dec 2011 08:27

China's Pakistan Conundrum: The End of the All-Weather Friendship: Evan A. Feigenbaum

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 10 Dec 2011 08:31

The Grave New World: Terrorism in the 21st Century

The first decade of the 21st century was dominated by terror and terrorists. No one man was responsible although the pre-eminent face was that of Osama bin Laden. The global jihad of terror struck from New York to New Delhi. The centre of the storm was South Asia, and the epicenter of the storm Pakistan. India was often ground zero.

Former foreign minister Jaswant Singh has rightly described the operation as a forerunner for the 9/11 plot because it involved the same cast of characters brewing the stew; Pakistan-based terrorists, al Qaeda, the Afghan Taliban and the ISI. Originally the hijacking was to be part of a larger al Qaeda-orchestrated millennium plot to include attacks in Los Angeles, Amman and Aden but only the Indian plot got off the ground. The plotters had intended that the plane explode exactly on the stroke of the millennium but Singh negotiated the release of the hostages before more lives were lost.

But the terrorists were saved. First, the American hammer that should have hunted them relentlessly never materialized. President George Bush was obsessed with Iraq, even though not a shred of evidence linked Saddam Hussein to the 9/11 plot, and sent the best and brightest of America’s spies and generals to prepare to invade Iraq.

This November, al Qaeda’s new leader Ayman Zawahiri publicly credited the American mistakes in late 2001 with saving Bin Laden and al Qaeda, allowing it to survive for another decade.

The war that should have been an easy victory in 2002 was heading for catastrophe in 2006. Bush chose to double his bets on Iraq with a surge, leaving Afghanistan to deteriorate further.

An American of Pakistani descent, David Headley, had carefully prepared the way for the LeT hitmen by visiting the city five times before they attacked and reporting detailed assessments of the target to LeT’s leaders in Lahore and Karachi.
Headley was also working for al Qaeda and the ISI. He confessed all to an American court after being arrested en route to another planned terror attack in Copenhagen, Denmark. This plot was intended to take place during the global climate change summit with leaders from all over the world in attendance.

(No mention of being an american agent)

Pakistan remains home to more terrorists than any other country in the world, most targeting India and its interests.

The terrorists have many goals and many agendas but one of their objectives is to bait India into war with Pakistan. That was one target of the Parliament attack in 2001 and of the Mumbai murders in 2008. Two Indian Prime Ministers have been too smart to fall for the bait. Atal Bihari Vajpayee and Manmohan Singh wisely decided that war was a trap, not a solution for terrorism. India will need to remain vigilant, the terrorists’ decade is over but they are still deadly.

from the above--
1) regarding kandahar hijacking and hostage release, did the GOI did it right afetr all!!. as the talibans would have killed the hostages anyway.

2) was similar plots in LA Ammen and aden ?
3) Reidel blaming Bush for the failure.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Dec 2011 08:33

Sassu Ji on Ghassu Ji

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 10 Dec 2011 08:42

So this is how the genocider Pakbarians are attaining their "strategic depth" ? The whole civilized world need to see this pic:

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 10 Dec 2011 09:00

Dipanker

The same so called "civilized world" holds that genocidal approach by TSP, and India's benign approach of helping Afghans at the same moral equivalence. I wonder who is more uncivilized, TSP or the so called civilized world?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Dec 2011 09:00

the picture of the murdered children is particularly disturbing. when the time comes...no mercy must be shown to the pak spymasters and generals, no deals, no amnesty in dubai or london (though the west will surely offer in exchange for no memoirs about their dealings with western leaders), no safe havens in exchange for ratting on others.

meantime, "insurgents" (aka ISI employees) have torched 40 NATO supply trucks at kharotabad depot outside Quetta yesterday.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Dec 2011 09:06

krisna wrote:The Grave New World: Terrorism in the 21st Century

The Pakis have played the US off against India. India has been saying that for years. The US has never formally accepted that. But for us "Indian leaders are at fault". This is not about absolving Indian leaders but recognizing that the US and its leadership have to either see the Indian viewpoint or we have to place ourselves squarely against the US. Naturally the latter option is the only one available to us because US leaders are stupid. Naturally, Pakistan benefits from US stupidity. But India gains nothing from blaming itself, its people and its leaders without pinpointing the fact that India needs to oppose the US and help bring the US down in order to dominate the subcontinent.

Bring the US down and a lot of things will fall in place. That is easier than driving sense into brainless American leadership heads. If Pakistan can help bring the US to its knees, so be it. It is a self goal for Pakistan.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Dec 2011 09:11

Singha wrote:the picture of the murdered children is particularly disturbing.

Muslims don't kill Muslims. Allah wants unbelievers to be punished and that is why those children of Shias were killed. Ask any Paki. Or Wahhabandi. After all Mohammad brought the word of god to us and this picture represents the word of god. Islam is the fastest growing religion on earth did you know? It is a religion of peace.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 10 Dec 2011 09:58

Pakistan business team invites Modi to Karachi

A trade delegation from Pakistan on Friday invited Chief Minister Narendra Modi to visit Karachi and address businessmen there through videoconferencing on the “Gujarat model of development.”

Pointing out that Gujarat always had close relations with the Sindh province of Pakistan, the delegation held discussions on how to further strengthen the bond and co-operation between the two regions. It requested Mr. Modi to use his good offices with the Centre to start a direct flight between Ahmedabad and Karachi.

The visitors presented him a replica of the Karachi Chamber of Commerce building, the foundation stone for which was laid by Mahatma Gandhi in 1934.

GUBOing NaMo.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Dec 2011 10:01

shiv wrote:
Singha wrote:the picture of the murdered children is particularly disturbing.
Muslims don't kill Muslims. Allah wants unbelievers to be punished and that is why those children of Shias were killed. Ask any Paki. Or Wahhabandi. After all Mohammad brought the word of god to us and this picture represents the word of god. Islam is the fastest growing religion on earth did you know? It is a religion of peace.

Before worrying about Islamist children , we ought to think about our own. Apply the current Paki islamist merciful behavior x1000 time is what our ancestors faced.Yet our own leadership keep protecting and promoting the very similar forces in india . Every such children killing blast done by the Islamic forces of Pakistan is an occasion to thank Djinnah for doing service to India.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 10 Dec 2011 10:12

U.S. ambassador to Pakistan threatened with lawsuit over drone deaths

Cameron Munter, the U.S. ambassador to Pakistan, faces a potential lawsuit in Pakistani courts for the killing of Tariq Aziz, aged 16, and Waheed Khan, aged 12, in late October in an alleged drone strike in North Waziristan launched by the Central Intelligence Agency.

Several legal challenges have been mounted in Pakistan over these strikes, with the help of the Foundation for Fundamental Rights. In November 2010, Karim Khan, a journalist in Waziristan, threatened to sue Jonathan Banks, the CIA head of station in Islamabad, for the killing of his brother and his son, Asif Iqbal and Zaenullah Khan, in the town of Mir Ali in North Waziristan on December 31, 2009. Banks fled the country shortly after.

In July 2011, three Pakistanis brought a lawsuit against John Rizzo, the former legal counsel of the CIA, after he told Newsweek that he was the person who signed off on drone strikes.

More legal challenges are expected in coming weeks and months. Reprieve and the Foundation for Fundamental Rights are preparing a variety of new lawsuits to be launched in Pakistan, the U.K. and in the U.S.

The aim of the campaign is to challenge the drone war and hold U.S. officials and contractors accountable for their actions as well as their U.K. counterparts, says Clive Stafford Smith, the founder of Reprieve. In previous years, the organisation mounted similar campaigns with measurable success against the CIA secret rendition programme and prisoners held in Guantanamo Bay.

Reprive a british charity org
Foundation for fundamental rights is a puki based NGO.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 10 Dec 2011 10:21

Dipanker wrote:So this is how the genocider Pakbarians are attaining their "strategic depth" ? The whole civilized world need to see this pic:

pakis are fking disgusting barbarians.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 10 Dec 2011 10:30

shiv wrote: Bring the US down and a lot of things will fall in place.

Not so fast, there are too many other bad guys.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Dec 2011 10:38

Pakistani Editorial Says Nuclear War with India "Inevitable" as Water Dispute Continues

Written by John Daly
Friday, 09 December 2011 00:42

On 8 December, with the headline "War Inevitable To Tackle Indian Water Aggression," Pakistan’s Urdu-language Nawa-e Waqt, issued such a screed.

Nawa-e Waqt bluntly commented on India’s Kashmiri water polices and Islamabad’s failure up to now to stop New Delhi’s efforts to construct hydroelectric dams in Kashmir, “India should be forcibly prevented from constructing these dams. If it fails to constrain itself, we should not hesitate in launching nuclear war because there is no solution except this.”

Potential nuclear war over water rights – such sentiments ought to light up switchboards from New Delhi to Washington.

Needless to say, the fact that both India and Pakistan are nuclear powers is cause for concern.

Nawa-e Waqt is a privately owned, widely read conservative Pakistani Islamic daily with a circulation around 125,000 and is heavily critical of the U.S. and India. To put Nawa-e Waqt’s circulation in context, consider that the conservative Washington Times has a current estimated circulation of 50,000.

So, what has the editorial board of the Nawa-e Waqt so excited?

Indian dam building in the disputed area of Kashmir. Compared with much of South Asia, Kashmir has many rivers and relatively few people.

Bashir Ahmad, a geologist in Srinagar, Kashmir commented grimly about the Indians’ future intentions, “They will switch the Indus off to make Pakistan solely dependent on India. It’s going to be a water bomb.” A more dispassionate report by America’s Senate last February offered still a similar assessment, noting, “The cumulative effect of (the dam) projects could give India the ability to store enough water to limit the supply to Pakistan at crucial moments in the growing season” before concluding that dams are a source of “significant bilateral tension.”

How many dams and hydroelectric reports? The Senate report counted 33 hydroelectric projects in the border area, a number that Pakistani analysts nearly double to 60, which according to the state’s chief minister, Omar Abdullah, will add an extra 3,000 megawatts to the national power grid by 2019.

Pakistan’s vulnerability is underwritten by the fact that, like Egypt it exists around a single great river, although the Indus is nearly twice the Nile’s size when it reaches the sea. The Indus provides water to over 80 percent of Pakistan’s 54 million acres of irrigated land, via a canal system largely built by the British.

A further potential diplomatic tar-pit is that Afghanistan plans to build 12 dams on the Kabul river with a combined storage capacity of 4.7 million acre-feet, which Pakistan frets will further diminish the Indus water supply, quite aside from the fact that Indian support for these dams will increase India's hydro-influence in the region.

The Kabul River Basin (KRB) is the most important river basin in Afghanistan and contains half the country's urban population, including the city of Kabul. While New Delhi has not directly confirmed its support for the facilities, the proposed hydroelectric projects represent one of India’s largest assistance interests, with $1.3 billion invested in infrastructure projects.

So, is there any way out before the missiles fly?

The 1960 Indus Water Treaty (IWT) between India and Pakistan can not only assist in easing tension, but provide a template for developing an Afghan-Pakistani agreement on the Kabul river. The treaty, which has survived three wars, explicitly outlines how both India and Pakistan can use cross-border rivers and deals in particular with the tributaries flowing from Kashmir to form the Indus.

The IWT is considered one of the world's most successful trans-boundary water treaties, as it addresses specific water allocation issues and provides unique design requirements for run-of-the-river dams, which ensure the steady flow of water and guarantee power generation through hydro-electricity. The IWT also provides a mechanism for consultation and arbitration should questions, disagreements, or disputes arise.

All foreign governments interested in avoiding further military conflict in South Asia should impress upon both New Delhi and Islamabad the ongoing value of their 51 year-old water agreement and urge them to resolve their conflicts within its framework.

By. John C.K. Daly of Oilprice.com

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Dec 2011 10:44

Just today morning I was thinking that the Mumbai 26/11 attackers will get linked to Al Quaeda modus operandi or play book at east on one count of deception. Both the 9/11 and the 26/11 tried to deceive their victims by appearing to be something they were not. The former shaved, went to nightclubs and broke Arab terrorists profile. The 26/11 attackers wore red threads that DCH bought for them from temple in Mumbai to pretend to be Saffron terrorists. In away its the Paki playbook of taqqiya was at work.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 10 Dec 2011 10:49

ramana wrote:Just today morning I was thinking that the Mumbai 26/11 attackers will get linked to Al Quaeda modus operandi or play book at east on one count of deception. Both the 9/11 and the 26/11 tried to deceive their victims by appearing to be something they were not. The former shaved, went to nightclubs and broke Arab terrorists profile. The 26/11 attackers wore red threads that DCH bought for them from temple in Mumbai to pretend to be Saffron terrorists. In away its the Paki playbook of taqqiya was at work.

I was surprised when it was revealed that the 'red dhaaga' were a deliberate taqqiya. In the initial days after 26/11, when the pakis were still denying that Kasab was a paki, Deaf & dump had some people who were pointing to the 'dhaaga' to portray it as 'hindu terrorists'. Some paki 'experts' were also taking this line.

In hindsight, it seems there must be some connection of the people who planned it and the people who tried to spread this taqqiya.

Ironically, the GOI has now taken up the mantle and is going after 'Hindu terrorists'. Is it co-incidental?

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 10 Dec 2011 10:59

Pranav wrote:
shiv wrote: Bring the US down and a lot of things will fall in place.
Not so fast, there are too many other bad guys.

As far as we are concerned, everyone is a bad guy except us. Its all relativity. And relatively, US has been better compared to Islamists or Brits. However, unless we rise, we are at mercy of some or other bad guy.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 10 Dec 2011 11:16

Excerpt from interview of Brig. RayC on Swall War Journal: http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/interview-with-ray

As I see it, Pakistan itself is a conundrum of internal struggle encouraged by strife that haunts Islam itself, ever since the death of their Prophet, wherein there has been the power struggle between the Shias and Sunnis and it continues till date. That churning is muddied by the Wahabis, who have added a new dimension to militant Islam, which some may feel is resurgent Islam. Add to it the sub-national struggles and the struggle between the civilian government and the military and Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI). The worst thing that could happen from Pakistan is that they have made Islam take on the world, having exported terrorism from their madrassas the world over. Now, the Frankenstein cannot be stopped and it is devouring Pakistan itself. Interestingly, Pakistan is so helpless that its homegrown terrorists have not even spared their all-weather friend China either. They have spawned their terrorist misplaced religious poison to Xinjiang! Pakistan is brazenly supporting the terrorist groups in Pakistan, which they term as their "strategic assets". However, clinically observed, one cannot hold it against their mindset since unless there is Dar al-Islam, there can be no peace. Hopefully, one day better sense will prevail given that we live in modern times.

Very succintly put.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Dec 2011 11:18

^^^ The owner of the Nawai Waqt has been advocating nuclear war with India over a variety of pretexts, for years.

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 10 Dec 2011 12:16

ramana wrote:Just today morning I was thinking that the Mumbai 26/11 attackers will get linked to Al Quaeda modus operandi or play book at east on one count of deception. Both the 9/11 and the 26/11 tried to deceive their victims by appearing to be something they were not. The former shaved, went to nightclubs and broke Arab terrorists profile. The 26/11 attackers wore red threads that DCH bought for them from temple in Mumbai to pretend to be Saffron terrorists. In away its the Paki playbook of taqqiya was at work.

Ramana,

This is just one more proof that blatantly says that the Pakis use terrorism as sinister means rather than holy war on religious belief lines etc etc that they cry out so loudly to appease the masses. If religion was so dear to them, they wouldn't want to let go off it specially if their aim is to fight for their religion. Not that it matters anyways, they cause harm to others and should meet the same fate. Just shows the level of planning and intellect that goes into terrorism!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Dec 2011 12:16

I dont recall where I saw it on tv, but it was some program on water. apparently the Indus is dying from overuse and by middle of this century (ie 40 yrs), its flow even upstream is expected to be down 40-50% which represents a huge crisis for Pak with its agri dependence and huge growing (growling) population.

not to say we do not have our own water challenges, but atleast we will not launch a nuclear war on others over it.

we have already seen how illegal logging of upstream forests by the feudal lords have played havoc with floods and even a blocked river for months. the tribal 'agencies' are beyond the pale of any central orders anyways - the PA, feudal lords and tribal leaders do whatever they want in there.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Dec 2011 12:53

abhijitm wrote:
Dipanker wrote:So this is how the genocider Pakbarians are attaining their "strategic depth" ? The whole civilized world need to see this pic:
pakis are fking disgusting barbarians.

LeJ is a Sunni, Deobandi organiztion whose many members practise takfiri-salafi Islam. This attack, in all probability, is not for attaining 'strategic depth' but for killing as many Shias as possible, though LeJ is embedded within AQAM. I think it was for that reason that TTP said they were not involved. LeJ, whose parent organization is Sipah-Sahaba-e-Pakistan (SSP), cannot but be thoroughly and violently anti-Shi'a. The wickedness of LeJ's first Amir, Riaz Basra, is legendary. LeJ's current Amir, Akram Lahori, was released from jail by the jihadi-pasand Punjab High Court last year for lack of evidence in the dozens of cases against him. Since then, attacks on minorities, especially the Shi'a have increased. Of course, LeJ has masterminded other significant attacks such as on the Special Investigation Unit (SIU) office in Model Town Lahore, Marriot Hotel in Sep. 2008, FIA building, American consulate in Karachi in Mar. 2006, Daniel Pearl's murder, two attempts on Gen. Musharraf and one on Prime Minister Abdul Aziz, and the July 2006 London airlines plot. LeJ has deep roots within the Pakistani armed forces.