I am sure the nuclear energy projects in Europe and USA are 'unleashed' by European politicians and Christian fanatics within Europe & USA.gakakkad wrote:
“We cannot be cowed down by such undemocratic intimidations, being unleashed by the Congress and Hindu fanatics”.
You just dont understand political dynamics in TN.In Punjab,Assam,TN,Manipur etc Congress stands for INDIAN nationalism.Inspite of its corruption,manipulation,the Congress stands for a united india accomodating diverse interests.gakakkad wrote:I can't believe what I am reading .
“We cannot be cowed down by such undemocratic intimidations, being unleashed by the Congress and Hindu fanatics”.
Hindu Munani's stand on nuclear & any other technology per se should be highly appreciated.Referring to the clash between activists of Hindu Munnani and protesters at the fourth round of talks early this week, the minister of state in PMO said, "People rang church bells and invited others to the spot. This is highly regrettable".
Warns those acting against nation's welfare and development with funding of foreign agencies
And co-incidently ,Praise the LordWASHINGTON, 7 FEB: Promising to provide a level playing field to US companies on civilian nuclear deal, visiting foreign secretary Mr Ranjan Mathai has said India is willing to address their specific concerns within the framework of the law passed in this regard by Parliament. “We will provide a level playing field to US companies, and are prepared to address specific concerns of US companies within the framework of that law,” Mr Mathai said in his address at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). “We have the reality of our law passed by our Parliament,” Mr Mathai said at a forum titled “Building on Convergence: Deepening the India-US Strategic Partnership” at the eminent Washington-based think tank. India and the USA, he said, had remained engaged and must now take practical steps to advance this cooperation, as they had done over the past year. “We have just had a round of discussions between our legal experts. The commencement of discussions between the Indian operator, NPCIL, and US companies in regard to an Early Works Agreement is an encouraging development,” said Mr Mathai, who is currently on his first visit to the USA after assuming charge last year.
In the wake of the state government constituting a panel to resolve the Koodankulam nuclear power project (KKNPP) issue, the people’s movement against nuclear energy (PMANE) on Monday offered to withdraw the protest if most locals favoured the project. It also demanded that the panel visit all villages and towns that may be affected by the plant.“We hope the team comes to our villages, talks to our people and takes a decision after considering the sentiments of the people. We have no problem if a majority of people in the affected area favours the plant. Our team will step out immediately,” PMANE convenor S.P. Udayakumar told reporters here.However, he warned that PMANE would continue its stir if the locals thought the panel was not doing its job well. He said they would submit a request to chief minister Jayalalithaa that the panel have clear terms of reference, mandate and timeline.Mr Udayakumar said he would file a criminal defamation case against MoS in PMO V. Narayanasamy for alleging that he received money from foreign sources.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 814685.cmsThe cold snap gripping Europe has forced Germany, which last year decided to abandon nuclear power, to restart several reactors taken off line, the daily Handelsblatt reports in its Thursday issue.
Normally I don't like to repost what I've written, but we had this discussion on Germany, no-nook power and winter way back in June last year. This is what I wrote then:vikramd wrote:Freeze forces Germany to restart nuclear reactors: Reporthttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 814685.cmsThe cold snap gripping Europe has forced Germany, which last year decided to abandon nuclear power, to restart several reactors taken off line, the daily Handelsblatt reports in its Thursday issue.
The discussion can be found here.Actually Somnath, in the course of my work I was meeting a German delegation two days ago. I got talking to a guy and obviously I veered to discussion to nuclear power. He was an out and out Green but even he made a very interesting observation.
He said that power was not much of a worry in Germany because during summer months they were power surplus and they pumped the extra power to Eastern Europe and Southern Europe. I then asked him what was the situation during winter. He confessed that during winter, with all the heaters burning, German goes into power deficit and has to import power - not much but had to import nevertheless.
It's funny that he just realised that he had to rush up to his hotel room to make a call when I got around to asking him how solar power would fit into the matrix of surplus during summer, deficit during winter. Of course I pointed out the typical kind of weather in Germany during winters - foggy and snowy, not exactly the ideal condition to generate a lot of solar power.
Aditya_V wrote:Remove atomic scientist, expand expert panel’
Wonderful, we should have anthropologist for Nuclear Plant??? What a bunch of Morons, nucler scientists should not discuss nuclear plant??
Neela, thanks for the anecdote, it matches what my Germans friends have been saying as well.Neela wrote:All they cite is "radioation" but probe them further and you will find them a little shallow.
In an ideal world, solar and other renewable sources are always preferable to nuclear and coal. However, we haven't yet reached the technological level whereby nuclear and/or coal can be completely replaced by renewable sources especially for proper baseload power in grids. That's a fact of life and one needs to deal with it, however, idealistic one wants to be.20-25 Cent / kwH is manageable. But price conscious Germans will have to get back home to warm rooms. When 50 cent/kwH looms, I am not so sure if there will be so many people marching in a procession against nuclear power on cold days. They would rather pay 20-25 cents / kwH , look out through frosty windows with their hot Camille/JAsmine tea from their warm rooms powered by "Uran"!
you said it. couple of months back when the TN agitations were all over the news, times now had a panel discussion among an AEC member, a lady who headed some environmental org and an anti nuclear 'activist' expert.The point is most anti-nuclear arguments are long on rhetoric and short of facts.
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Fully understand. That's the exact tactic being followed by the TN agitators. And really I fail to understand why the Central govt is allowing things to fester like this. Don't these policy makers realise that they are setting a precedent and every single future N-plant that will be built would be subjected to same treatment by agent provocateurs?
I personally think the Centre is as culpable - through inaction - as the agitation ringleaders.
The left leaning media is responsible no doubt but let's not give it all the credit.gakakkad wrote:These nutty greens exist everywhere . The problem with India is that these nut heads succeed in derailing programs and causing huge loss , thanks to the left tilt of the media .
The Congress will seek closure of Neyveli Lignite Corporation (NLC) if the Koodankulam Nuclear Power Plant (KKNPP) is not commissioned, according to the party’s MP K S Azhagiri. Participating in a demonstration on Monday, which sought KKNPP to become operational, he said that Congress members from Cuddalore would organise a protest seeking NLC to be shut on the grounds that it too was polluting the environment.
Azhagiri said, “No industry is pollution-free or 100 per cent safe. Koodankulam may cause slight adversity to environment but NLC is also polluting the environment by spreading dust particles to the extent of 50 km.” He added that because of NLC, people of south Arcot were prone to tuberculosis. He said, “Cuddalore district Congress committee will organise a protest to shut down NLC. If this happens, then there will be power cut for 24 hours. Then, the state government will be forced to set up an expert panel for reopening of NLC too.”
There is no consensus in India on how Nuclear power is to be operated. GOI needs to work to produce such a consensus. In its absence, opposition will only get worse with time. No one wants to live next to a Nuclear plant or a Coal plant for that matter. A social consensus allows people to swallow their dislike and accept something against their best interest.amit wrote:Fully understand. That's the exact tactic being followed by the TN agitators. And really I fail to understand why the Central govt is allowing things to fester like this. Don't these policy makers realise that they are setting a precedent and every single future N-plant that will be built would be subjected to same treatment by agent provocateurs?
Theo ji,Theo_Fidel wrote:There is no consensus in India on how Nuclear power is to be operated. GOI needs to work to produce such a consensus. In its absence, opposition will only get worse with time. No one wants to live next to a Nuclear plant or a Coal plant for that matter. A social consensus allows people to swallow their dislike and accept something against their best interest.amit wrote:Fully understand. That's the exact tactic being followed by the TN agitators. And really I fail to understand why the Central govt is allowing things to fester like this. Don't these policy makers realise that they are setting a precedent and every single future N-plant that will be built would be subjected to same treatment by agent provocateurs?
The Indian government intends to replace the Atomic Energy Regulatory Board with a newly proposed Nuclear Safety Regulatory Authority to strengthen the administration of nuclear safety. The NSRA Bill, 2011, was introduced on September 7 and is currently before the Parliamentary Committee on Science & Technology. In the meantime, while hearing a public interest litigation on nuclear issues on December 5, Chief Justice SH Kapadia is reported to have said, ‘Have a public debate. Come out with a concrete solution till Parliament considers the (NSRA) Bill and suggest a regulatory model or a framework and then we can consider.’
I hope I have provided some insight into a nuclear regulatory organisation that is truly independent from the government. One can argue that India cannot have a regulator like the US NRC overnight, by passing a new law, but certainly we must strive to reach that level of independence at least in a decade from now. That will be impossible unless we now put in place an NSRA Act that will enable the system to move steadily and systematically towards meeting that objective.
Now if we create a very similar commission would you be happy to say that the regulatory commission of India will have a member each from congress, bjp, AIADMK who might or might not have any experience or knowledge of nuke. In short the regulatory commission becomes a political ping pong table. With deft political maneuvring, UPA can have 3 congress, 1 SP and 1 PDP member who will decide the regulation in India. Would you be happy with such an commission. This is just a debating point, not at all related to the present issue.The NRC was created under the Energy Reorganisation Act, 1974, as an organisation that exercises considerable independence in nuclear regulatory matters. NRC has five commissioners, of whom no more than three may be members of the same political party.
While speaking of all the above he forgets that India is a parliamentary democracy and not a presidential one. So the decisions by the govt already have an implicit parliamentary approval. So what is he talking about?The NRC was created under the Energy Reorganisation Act, 1974, as an organisation that exercises considerable independence in nuclear regulatory matters. NRC has five commissioners, of whom no more than three may be members of the same political party. The US president, with the Senate’s advice and consent, appoints the commissioners, who must be US citizens. Each commissioner serves for five years and, during that time, may not engage in any other business or vocation. The president appoints one of the NRC’s commissioners as chairperson, who acts as the principal executive officer and the official spokesman of the commission. The president may remove a commissioner only for neglect of duty, inefficiency or malfeasance in office, and the Senate has to ratify this action.
In contrast to the above, the Indian Nuclear Safety Regulatory Authority Bill proposes that the chairperson and members of the NSRA shall be finalised by a Council of Nuclear Safety, under the prime minister’s chairmanship, and they are appointed by the government for an initial three-year period. Furthermore, the chairperson and NSRA members can be removed from office by the government, even for trivial reasons. As per the Bill, there is no requirement to inform the Parliament or get approval for their appointment or removal.
According to you, how many of these regulatory agencies (including IAEA) are truely independent?AG clearly states that regulator must have maximum independence from GOI. Credibility comes from independence.
India plans to commission the first-of-its-kind Prototype Fast Breeder Reactor (PFBR) early next year, kickstarting the second stage of its nuclear programme.
The 500 MWe reactor, being developed by the Indira Gandhi Centre for Atomic Research (IGCAR) at Kalpakkam in Tamil Nadu, uses a unique mix of uranium and plutonium which significantly enhances the capability to generate electricity per tonne of fuel utilised.
The indigenously-developed PFBR is at an advanced stage of construction under the aegis of state-owned Bhartiya Nabhikiya Vidyut Nigam (BHAVINI).
"The construction will be completed by September and fuel will be lowered by December. We expect commissioning by early 2013," IGCAR Director S C Chetal said here.
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Singh, in an interview to the American journal 'Science' being published on Friday said, "The atomic energy programme has got into difficulties because these NGOs mostly, I think, based in the US, don't appreciate the need for our country to increase energy. The local NGO-led protests have stalled the commissioning of two 1000 mw nuclear reactors."
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There are NGOs funded from the US and Scandinavian countries which are not fully appreciative of the development challenges that our country faces."
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Khan did a lot of heavy lifting for India to get NSG waiver, now it seems Russian and French firms would benefit more. that plus all of the 3 especially Khan wants India to put a 250 crore cap in the Nuke liability bill.Austin wrote:Any reason why would US NGO sponsor such protest when US could harm its own business interest of selling N Reactors to India.