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AbhiJ wrote:
It's $1.5 Billion Per Ship. What are your thoughts about MDL sharing it with L&T rather than GRSE?
Regardless with the allocated cost we all know final costs for any vessel will be far more than that. For example Scorpene was 400 mill/each, now its over 700 mill and counting.

Potential cost savings will be limited if construction is shared between SYs and plus I am not sure how much experience L&T has building non civilian spec vessels. I would much rather have them build some P-28s or OPVs before P-17As, i would expect some delays for example ABG's ran into some construction delays with Samudra Prahari.
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John wrote:I have not heard anywhere that it can fly at lower altitudes was under impression, it was quasi ballistic missile it probably has some limited maneuvering in terminal phase.
Not lower as in cruise missile/sea skimming altitude but there were some trajectory images/graphs that showed that the missile trajectory flattened out during descent. Here is the image (from http://www.jamestown.org/programs/china ... 31ceb95794)

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Now AFAIK, and it is just my opinion, the difference between the DF-21 vs. Shaurya is that the DF21 follows a ballistic trajectory for the most part and achieves similar altitude (exo atmospheric) otoh the Shaurya never leaves the atmosphere and therefore does not have to deal with issues of reentry speeds and heat which are a problem for RF seekers. IIRC, the cruise altitude for the Shaurya was around 40km @ M7.5, I could not find a similar detail on the DF-21. IOWs, the DF-21 is like a late model Prithvi based on seeing a Prithvi's trajectory from one of Arun S's? (Not sure) graphs, the Shaurya otoh, is somewhat different.

Added later: You can ignore the above para - the DF-21, SHaurya and Iskander all seem to follow a similar flight path - the Shaurya too has an apogee of about 200km - just found Arun S's slides.
But given its flights altitude most radars should be able to pick it up at least couple hundred kms' away may not be able to track it due its lower RCS and speed, so not sure where you got 20 second window from. Reaction time for SAM varies from what i recall Barak was advertised as having the shortest reaction time, some where about 3 to 6 seconds (when in standby mode) to track and fire a missile to engage a target. There is RSN video in the web that shows that.
I got the 20 second window from the paper and book that I linked to previously http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6195&page=56:

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As for DF-31D the main difference over Shaurya is its speed and range and the fact that chinese have developed some type of active seeker with mid course guidance (via satellite?) to fit into it.
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Well, I'd also like to know the apogee of both these missiles. AFAIK, Shaurya does not exceed 50kms, but I could be wrong, perhaps it goes much higher and then comes down to maintain a 50km cruise altitude. More importantly, since the DF-21 has to cover a much longer range, it will require more elaborate guidance since time to target will be much more. Otoh, Shaurya, can cover 750km in a few 100 seconds.

My question is - if Shaurya type is considered effective against land based targets, then why not capital ships as well? Ship defences are no more robust than land based systems, so if Shaurya is good enough for these, it should be good enough against ships? Second issue is - acquiring and maintaining lock on a mobile target. Can't this be achieved via a decent seeker? Won't other hypersonics find the same issue - Brahmos II for example? Afterall, a ship is not exactly a fast mover, and @ around a range of 1000km, which the Shaurya can cover in about 8 minutes or so, the ship cannot move more than a few km in that time.

If we take a Brahmos, which covers about half the distance in the same time frame, how does it lock on to a given ship, considering the ship could have moved a similar distance in the allotted time?
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^^^^

Shourya/ Sagarika maintains a cruise altitude of 40-50km and then nose dives on to the target at the terminal phase.

Shourya flying at over Mach 7-7.5 reaches a target nearly 2000kms away carrying a 250kg warhead. It already sports a SCAN seeker and an optional SAR seeker.

Shourya in AShM role nose diving and sea skimming even during the last 100km of its 2000km flight path gives a response time of 34 sec for the enemy battle group.

This 34 sec is the flight time during the last 100km terminal phase of attack.

In a war time scenario when a Chinese battle group including their long range AD ships escorting their A/C might spread across the 20 sqKm with their whole battle component of 6 ships and a couple of subs. Even the radars on their long range AD ships can only detect sea skimming targets upto 50km max due to the curvature of the earth. and the Height of sea skimming level increases with increase in distance from the AD ship. On a conservative estimate its been considered as 100km for Shourya to just give a blimp on the enemy radar(if capable of detecting hypersonic targets among sea clutter at long distances)and this few secs blimp is needed to switch to its on board seeker and correct the cords updated by mid-course guidance. And during the last 50km where its Seeker rounding of the assigned target it leaves a max of 13-16 sec for the enemy battle group to react. Which means detect, track and launch the interceptor missile and the interceptor has to take down the target before t-10 secs. Since the last stage mass and speed of the missile and the proximity of explosion will have a serious effect on the target.

While DF21 OTOH being a ballistic missile is an easy avoidable attacker due to its high altitude and re-entry. Given that in India`s case P-15B will possible get the naval version of ABM on board with PDV/AAD1/2 combination,IN battle groups are have more chances of survival and protection to its own Aircraft carriers.

For ultra long range AShM like Shourya-N we need early warning radars like tropospheric ones installed on ships themself or atleast on the carriers given them ample real estate and power available on the island.
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aniket wrote:
Guru_Tat wrote:I am newbie and apologize if this is a stupid question.

India paid for 16 Mig-29K and apparently, we got 15 (Koti's link) because 1 crashed in Russia with loss of Russian pilots (RIP). Does this mean that India will get another aircraft from Russia to replace this or we have to pay for the crashed aircraft?
IIRC the aircraft will be replaced free of cost because it was being tested by the plant's pilots and was not yet handed over to the IN. And i think a total of 45 air crafts are under contract.Take it easy, ask all the questions you want, i know i do
Wait..why will MiG replace the crashed MiG-29KUB free of cost? the one that crashed was a company demonstrator, MiG-29KUB bort # 947.

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Comments- This fighter crashed on the 23rd of June 2011 at 16.43 (Moscow time), 43 kilometers away from the town of Akhtubinsk in the Astrakhan region. The pilots (Spichka Oleg, Kruzhalin Alexander) did not have time to eject...
This was the aircraft that crashed. It belonged to MiG Corp, and was not intended to be delivered to the Indian Navy.
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Two recent developments are going to change the course and shape of naval warfare and warship design.The rail gun tested by the US and its secret development of lasers.With the capability of "throwing" at extraordinary velocities lumps of metal that do not need any explosive to devastate a surface ship,even missiles are going to be found wanting unless they are supersonic/hypersonic and have very long ranges.Designers are already working on concepts where a surface ship can submerge like a submarine-with limitations though,to avoid being sunk in massive salvoes of missiles and rail gun projectiles.How large carriers are going to safeguard themselves is another matter ,especially if they sail within the range of land based aircraft and in the case of the PRC,within range of its naval anti-ship BM.

The IN needs to leapfrog some concepts that by 2020 will be found wanting.A revolution in naval warfare will be seen by 2020 when the USN will begin to operate UCAVs from its carriers,perhaps then requiring smaller and more affordable carriers in future,which can be built in larger numbers. A time-bound programme to induct UCAVs into the IN's naval aviation strike force needs to be staretd asap.
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^ how do they guide the projectile at huge distances?
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Not disclosed as yet,perhaps terminal seekers ,but current estimates are of around 100KM+ for the rail gun,with far greater ranges in the future.The USN is investing heavily in UAVs/UCAVs for detection and targeting,and loiter times planned for long endurance drones run into weeks and months.
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Railguns' are far away from ever being a reality (power requirements are huge and essentially require a nuclear reactor) and besides rail guns currently are not guided so of little use against any moving target.
Cain Marko wrote:Added later: You can ignore the above para - the DF-21, SHaurya and Iskander all seem to follow a similar flight path - the Shaurya too has an apogee of about 200km - just found Arun S's slides.
Cain Marko wrote:My question is - if Shaurya type is considered effective against land based targets, then why not capital ships as well? Ship defences are no more robust than land based systems, so if Shaurya is good enough for these, it should be good enough against ships? Second issue is - acquiring and maintaining lock on a mobile target. Can't this be achieved via a decent seeker? Won't other hypersonics find the same issue - Brahmos II for example? Afterall, a ship is not exactly a fast mover, and @ around a range of 1000km, which the Shaurya can cover in about 8 minutes or so, the ship cannot move more than a few km in that time.

Yea should have same flight path, DF-21 has terminal speed of around Mach 11 from what i read. Yes Shaurya would be good ashm but it would require a reliable seeker and mid course guidance and targeting from satellite? Do we have that capability.

Anyway all which won't be easy to develop and more importantly the price tag, Brahmos costs' 3 million how much will a Shaurya anti shipping variant be 10-30 million? Does it make sense to waste 3 such missile against PLAN frigate which is not even worth that much? When it is probably much easier to send a Mig-29k with some cheap HARM missile and take it out. That is always the dilemma case in point the Phoenix missile it was great and effective but it was too expensive to use and ultimately got scrapped along with F-14s.

Besides keep in mind most effective means of beating a AshM is via soft kill mechanism Israelis' decoyed away more than 2 dozen Styx missiles during Yom Kipper. But Shtil should be intercept such a missile (limited ABM capability has intercepted Scuds' in tests and performance is similar to PAC-1).
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Sea Trials of INS Vikramaditya Can Be Postponed
Scheduled on May 25, first sortie of aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya build by Russia for Indian Navy may not be held, a source in defense industry told Central Navy Portal.

Dockside repair and modernization of Indian aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya under Project 11430 is coming to its end. In accordance with schedule agreed upon with the client, on May 25 the ship is supposed to unberth the Sevmash shipyard's outfitting quay for the first time and take the sea for trials. Currently, the shipwrights are working day and night preparing the ship in order to start sea trials in time.

Central Navy Portal found out that the date of the carrier's first sea-taking may be postponed due to staff changes in Russian Navy command, the need for replacements in governmental commission and some other reasons. According to a source in defense industry, "a time delay is possible, about one week". Therefore, approved and repeatedly named date of May 25 may be postponed for indefinite period.
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Yantar Shipyard to Start Building New Frigates for India in 2012
JSC Yantar Shipyard will start construction of new lot of frigates for Indian Navy in 2012, reports RIA Novosti referring to the yard's acting director Alexander Konovalov.

According to him, "we're preparing for construction of the second three frigates for Indian Navy this year; the ships will be identical to the first trio", reports the news agency.

The contract for three Project 1135.6 frigates (INS Teg, INS Tarkash, and INS Trikand) was signed on July 14, 2007 in Delhi. Overall value of the contract was $1.56 bln. JSC Yantar was appointed major executor. The contract provided an option for additional construction of 1-3 frigates.

Yantar handed over the first Project 1135.6 frigate INS Teg to Indian Navy late Apr 2012.

As for Konovalov, "the second ship will take sea for trials next week and be delivered to the client this year. Delivery of the third frigate is scheduled in 2013", reports RIA Novosti.

After implementation of that contract, Indian Navy will operate six Project 1135.6 frigates. First three frigates of that kind were built for India by Baltiysky Zavod shipyard and handed over to the customer in 2003-2004 under the $1-bln contract signed in 1997.

It should be noted that so far there has not been officially announced about construction of the new three frigates for India. Negotiations on this matter are going on for a long time. Estimated cost of the three-ship lot is $1.7 bln.

Normally, it comes out well in advance about planned large contracts, especially with India. Such contracts pass multi-staged approval procedure, and Indian media cover them quite particularly.

As was earlier reported, new contract with Indian Navy would be negotiated in case of successful delivery of the second three frigates. However, deadlines were postponed for more than a year.
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Lightweight Torpedo With Knockout Punch
Development of weapons for antisubmarine and surface warfare is accelerating as navies field advanced submarines. Italian underwater warfare specialist WASS is developing a torpedo for this mission, Flash Black, which is to be completed by year-end.

The 324-mm light torpedo makes extensive use of carbon and lightweight aluminum alloys. It has four modules: guidance, warhead, battery and propulsion. The propulsion system uses rechargeable lithium-polymer batteries, a new feature for a light torpedo. The batteries allow the torpedo to be used up to 30 times in exercises, which is not only a first for a light torpedo, WASS says, but more than the number possible with heavyweight exercise torpedoes.

Flash Black has a top speed of more than 50 kt., and engages targets well beyond 20 km (12.4 mi.), at depths of 1 to more than 600 meters (3.3-1,968 ft.). It is fitted with an advanced acoustic guidance head, which has a detection range of more than 3,000 meters in active mode and over 4,000 meters in passive mode. Wire guidance is an option, and the weapon can use a wake-homing attack mode. The torpedo can also be employed in salvos, with more than one weapon conducting simultaneous attacks against one or multiple targets.

Flash Black is a multipurpose weapon. Its main job is to attack conventional and nuclear-powered submarines and midget boats, cruising or lying in wait on the sea bottom, in blue water as well as the littorals. It can attack surface vessels as well, inflicting heavy damage on small and medium-size ships. The weapon could be used for non-lethal attacks against merchant vessels—for example, to disable the propulsion system of a large ship seized by pirates. Flash Black can also perform hard-kill attacks, with high hit probability against enemy torpedoes.

In addition, surface vessels, helicopters or fixed-wing maritime patrol aircraft (operating over water at least 25 meters deep) can deploy the weapon. An adaptor is available so that submarines can fire Flash Black from standard 533-mm torpedo tubes. A submarine armed with heavyweight torpedoes will benefit from a less lethal weapon such as Flash Black, WASS contends, since it can be tactically desirable in some circumstances, allowing a commander to graduate the lethality of attack. Flash Black can also arm unmanned vehicles —surface, underwater and airborne.

WASS says it can deliver the torpedo within 36 months of a signed contract.

Flash Black's relatively rapid development stems from the company's experience with torpedoes. Beyond heavyweight versions such as the A184 and new Black Shark, WASS developed the A244/S light torpedo, which has been continuously updated—the company recently completed the Mod.3 variant. Sixteen customers have procured more than 1,000 units of this model. WASS also partnered with Thales/DCNS in development of the MU90, more than 1,000 of which have been produced.

Flash Black offers many features of the MU90, one of the most advanced weapons on the market, though reportedly at a more competitive price. It is going to be slightly more expensive than the A244, and be competitively priced with the U.S. Navy's Raytheon Mk 54 lightweight torpedo. The company projects demand for 800-1,000 units in 10-15 years.

WASS paid a lot of attention to reducing life-cycle and maintenance costs of Flash Black. It intends major scheduled maintenance to be performed once every five years, with comprehensive overhauls every 10 years. Through use of a dedicated portable PC, it will be possible to check and verify the weapon's condition and status during deployments.

WASS also has unveiled Black Snake, a towed acoustic curtain for torpedo detection. It works in automatic or semiautomatic mode, and can be integrated with a combat management system or used as a standalone. Black Snake works at low frequency (tens of kilohertz) to optimize detection. The frequencies allow the system to be small, light and compact; the curtain is 500 meters long, and the array is stored on a 1.5 X 1.5-meter drum.
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Austin wrote:Yantar Shipyard to Start Building New Frigates for India in 2012...It should be noted that so far there has not been officially announced about construction of the new three frigates for India. Negotiations on this matter are going on for a long time...Normally, it comes out well in advance about planned large contracts, especially with India. Such contracts pass multi-staged approval procedure, and Indian media cover them quite particularly...As was earlier reported, new contract with Indian Navy would be negotiated in case of successful delivery of the second three frigates. However, deadlines were postponed for more than a year.
I did not see any DAC or CCS approval for the third batch, so I dont think an order has been placed. I believe Russians have offered to build a third batch that the media is mis-representing as a firm order.
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Austin wrote:Yantar Shipyard to Start Building New Frigates for India in 2012
JSC Yantar Shipyard will start construction of new lot of frigates for Indian Navy in 2012, reports RIA Novosti referring to the yard's acting director Alexander Konovalov.
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The contract for three Project 1135.6 frigates (INS Teg, INS Tarkash, and INS Trikand) was signed on July 14, 2007 in Delhi. Overall value of the contract was $1.56 bln. JSC Yantar was appointed major executor. The contract provided an option for additional construction of 1-3 frigates.
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It should be noted that so far there has not been officially announced about construction of the new three frigates for India. Negotiations on this matter are going on for a long time. Estimated cost of the three-ship lot is $1.7 bln.

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If We are going for Three more, At least one of it should be built by a Private shipyard in India
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that would increase the cost by a couple hundred million per boat and more delay. not worth it for just 3. better to let pvt shipyard make half of the P17 and P17A ships which GOI seems loathe to do because it hurts the margins of the Munna MDL.
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INS Ratnagiri, a Pondicherry-class coastal minesweeper, was decommissioned at sunset here Tuesday by Rear Admiral B K Verma, the Flag Officer Commanding Maharashtra and Gujarat Naval Area.

The decommissioning ceremony was held at Naval Dockyard, Mumbai and was attended by ex-Commanding Officers of the ship as well as senior officers of the Western Naval Command.

INS Ratnagiri has served the nation gloriously for 32 years, an official release said.

http://brahmand.com/news/INS-Ratnagiri- ... /1/13.html
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...and there is still no sign of the 8 X MCMV GRP vessels we were promised many a moon ago.

sometimes I think it will take the loss of a delhi class or the vikramaditya from a couple of sea mines laid by paki SSKs to jerk us up from slumber, followed by a panic purchase of $2b worth of foreign constructed MCMV and back to sleep again.
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tsarkar wrote:I did not see any DAC or CCS approval for the third batch, so I dont think an order has been placed. I believe Russians have offered to build a third batch that the media is mis-representing as a firm order.
tsarkar , i dont know if this news is true or media twisted it but the news of 3 more frigate in works has been doing around for some time , the question was to be built in india in pvt yard or in russian yard ...... i think it boils down to cost and time ......if they need the frigate at shortest possible time and cost then they would build at russian yard if navy can afford to wait and spend more money they would build in Private yard in india .......lets see how it shapes up.
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Loads of controversial information regarding Friday. Anyway, the plan B is 8 June.
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SNaik wrote:Loads of controversial information regarding Friday. Anyway, the plan B is 8 June.
Can You Elaborate?
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Singha wrote:sometimes I think it will take the loss of a delhi class or the vikramaditya from a couple of sea mines laid by paki SSKs to jerk us up from slumber, followed by a panic purchase of $2b worth of foreign constructed MCMV and back to sleep again.
Wasn't the deal for 670 million for 8 vessels, Kangnam will build the first two by 2016 with GSL building the rest by 2018.
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For warship feel, NDA to get Advanced Training Vessel.

Training Ship (TS) Ronnie Pereira — the concrete frigate at the Watermanship Training Centre, National Defence Academy (NDA) — will soon receive a sailing partner. An Advanced Training Vessel (ATV), which is expected to arrive at Peacock Bay within months. The bay is home to the Naval Training Team (NTT) of the academy. The ATV is a a smaller version of a warship.
“The ATV is expected to arrive soon,” said Lt Gen Jatinder Singh, commandant, NDA. He was addressing the media regarding the Passing out Parade of the 122nd course of NDA, which is slated to take place on May 30.

An officer of the academy said, “The ATV will give cadets a real-life experience of working on a warship. A tender was floated, which is now in the final stage of bidding. The ship will be mounted with a radar, communication and other equipment.” The vessel, priced around Rs 1 crore, will be of the size of a launch, said the official.

Meanwhile, the Air Force Training Team (AFTT) of the academy is set to receive five more Super Dimona aircraft. The academy had procured five lightweight, fixed-wing, powered aircraft last year. “The aircraft should be arriving by month-end,” Singh said.

At the The Passing out Parade (PoP) this year, 362 cadets including 22 from friendly countries, will graduate from the academy. Army Chief General V K Singh will review the parade. The academy is currently training 2,063 cadets in 18 squadrons — the recent additions being Panthers, Quebec and Romeo.

The commandant also touched upon the introduction of BTech course for cadets. “The course will be introduced for cadets with a science background. For cadets from non-science background, it will be BA Honours. Both the courses are being planned in affiliation with the University of Pune, though the agreement is yet to be formalised. It is still being discussed,” Singh said. “The B Tech course will be for four years. However, the degree will be awarded at the finishing academies,” he added.
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AbhiJ wrote:
SNaik wrote:Loads of controversial information regarding Friday. Anyway, the plan B is 8 June.
Can You Elaborate?
Certainly. Few posts ago Austin posted a Russian news release that Vikramaditya's sail on 25 May is cancelled due to organizational and other matters. Later it was announced that Navy has dropped the 25 date because the ship is not ready for trials. After that came a reply from OSK - shipbuilding company that 25th is The Date and nothing has been changed. Couple of hours ago a new release claimed that 25 is off and 8 June is planned instead, due to bad weather in the region.

Something definitely fishy is going on.
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Well, here is Vik's pic taken yesterday - c/o kuleshovoleg's blog.

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what are the counter measures for torpedos?

1. anti-torpedo torpedos
2. sonic decoys
3. ?
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Indian Aircraft Carrier Sea Trials Postponed Until June
“The start of the sea trials has been moved to the beginning of June,” a Sevmash spokesman said.

The vessel was originally scheduled to sail for trials in the White Sea and the Barents Sea on May 25.

The delay could have been caused by poor weather forecast in the trials area next week, the official said.
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Vikramaditya has a disproportionally large Bridge/superstructure for its size by current day standards.
I wonder what extra it accommodates in comparision to others.
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it is going to transform INS kadamba
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Koti,the Vik was designed two+ decades ago.The vessel would've been used by the admiral in charge of the task force as his command ship as well.There would therefore be large spaces required for the his staff apart from the CIC and other spaces needed for the aviation wing aboard the carrier.The carrier is also a floating airfield ,with a much larger aviation component than during its former role as a cruiser-carrier and requires its own control tower,etc.In that avatar,the forward spaces below deck were taken up with support spaces for missile ,guns,etc.The possibility exists that much of the older electronic eqpt. on the carrier has been replaced by new eqpt. that is smaller and takes up less space.There is a proliferation of new sensors that one sees in the pics.One can imagine the huge task that has been undertaken to integrate all these sensors and weapon systems into an effective C4I combat system.There is also a large trunking for the huge funnel,as the Vik earlier had boilers,now reportedly fitted with diesels.There may be some basic cut-away plans on some site showing the revisions from its former configuration.
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I wonder why they kept this huge round thing on the mainmast though?
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Singha, that's for TACAN if I am correct.
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It is.
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where do american carriers like uss enterprise have this?
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USN mostly uses URN-25 TACAN saab.
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The Tarkash, a Talwar class frigate being built for the Indian Navy at the Yantar Shipyard in Russia today left for sea trials.

"The warship sailed from Kaliningrad to Baltiysk on Thursday," Yantar spokesman Sergei Mikhailov was quotes as saying by Ria-Novosti.

"The first stage of sea trials is scheduled to start at the end of May."

The spokesman said the frigate must be ready for delivery to the Indian Navy in October.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 454317.cms
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Is this a new pic or an old one? If it's a new one then it looks like the May 25th date was back on after all?

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

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Boss even in Russia it is spring and not dead of winter.. That is an old pic
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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

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A long time ago, we were discussing the Kitty hawk into IN. Along wt upto 60 F-18E/F.
Any official info on that?
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There is no chance for that to happen,as the In's carrier plans are very cl.Induction of the Gorky/Vik within a year and IAC-1,the new "Vikrant" sometime between 2015 and 2017,wiht the third larger carrier by the end of the decade.The aircraft for the Gorky/Vik and Vikrant-2 wil be MIG-29Ks and NLCAs.If a naval variant of the Russo-Indo JV FGFA/PAK-FA 5th-gen stealth fighter also arrives by 2020,as has been hinted at some time ago,then it will be an attractive proposition for the IN IAC-2 will probably operate it
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koti wrote:A long time ago, we were discussing the Kitty hawk into IN. Along wt upto 60 F-18E/F.
Any official info on that?
nothing official. only official info is the US naval spokesperson clarified it as under -
For weeks, reports have circulated in Indian newspapers and on various blogs that the U.S. would give the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk, a conventionally fueled carrier that was slated for decommissioning, to India. But a Navy spokesman in Washington, Lt. Col. Clay Doss, shot that story down. "We're not doing it," he said. "The Navy has no plans to transfer the Kitty Hawk to India, nor is this a subject of discussion between our navies at any level." He noted that any transfer of ships so huge requires congressional approval. The Navy, he added, hasn't sought such approval to transfer the Kitty Hawk to India.
Gates Butters Up India for U.S. Guns

also read -

Why India Talked Up a U.S. Carrier Deal
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