Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Armed Forces

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 26 Jul 2012 07:50

^ I think its called Conning tower as described by wiki. It supports periscope, communication antennas, radars even sails of a submarine.

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 26 Jul 2012 08:43

http://www.quora.com/Submarines/Why-do- ... ing-towers

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 26 Jul 2012 09:07

Surya wrote:thanks andy

you are on my good list

after all we share Oz as a background

Ah yes ofcourse saar in some ways we both have a certain gora pakiness in us no..?

P.S have you been able to find a good shepherds pie yet...joo know you can always come down to melbourne to attend the next avalon airshow in feb/march 2013 enjoy looking at the bountiful sights and sounds of some beautiful birds

and I will shout you a shepherds pie ey!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Jul 2012 14:49

AdityaM wrote:The tower is pretty big in proportion to the tube.
What is the function of the tower - Is it a housing for machinery or does it also serve as a manning station inside.
Since all subs have this, obviously its role is very much required, but cant it be eliminated for a sleeker design and instead make the sub longer to accommodate the machinery and command center?

Aditya that is an interesting question. I have never heard it asked before and it has never occurred to me to ask.

I know that the conning tower has a passage that is wide enough to accommodate a man and a ladder. In addition there are ducts for periscope and other long thingies. I suspect that it is the "long telescoping thingies" that demand extra length that cannot be accommodated in hull alone. But even so the conning tower seems bigger than the space required for all that. Most probably there may be other sensors in there and extra ducts/pipes for refueling/air/access in port etc. Just a guess.

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 26 Jul 2012 14:55

shiv wrote:
AdityaM wrote:The tower is pretty big in proportion to the tube.
What is the function of the tower - Is it a housing for machinery or does it also serve as a manning station inside.
Since all subs have this, obviously its role is very much required, but cant it be eliminated for a sleeker design and instead make the sub longer to accommodate the machinery and command center?
Aditya that is an interesting question. I have never heard it asked before and it has never occurred to me to ask.

If I am not wrong, a submarine escape pod is also housed in there.

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 26 Jul 2012 17:10

As detailed in the picture, the sail allows you to increase the length of all your masts and antennas, thus allowing you to operate your hull at a deeper depth. This makes you less visible from an aircraft, while also allowing more latitude on maintaining depth control (more room for error before the ship hull becomes broached).

This becomes even more important with non-hull penetrating masts, such as communication masts and modern day photonics masts (the replacement for the Periscope), as all of these are stored in the hydro-dynamically designed sail. These do not penetrate into the pressure hull, and are kept completely exterior to the submarine. The taller your sail, the longer you are able to extend these masts, and once again the more depth seperation you can enjoy. Without a sail, there is no place to store these masts and antennas.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 26 Jul 2012 17:40

andy

not since I returned from Melbourne and even there they sent me into the suburbs to find a good shepherd's pie.

good ol days you could walk into any downtownpie shop and get one are going fast

member_23684 · Post by **member_23684** » 26 Jul 2012 19:02

AdityaM wrote:The tower is pretty big in proportion to the tube.
What is the function of the tower - Is it a housing for machinery or does it also serve as a manning station inside.
Since all subs have this, obviously its role is very much required, but cant it be eliminated for a sleeker design and instead make the sub longer to accommodate the machinery and command center?

There was discussion here about a similar/same question :http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/sho ... p?t=539975

This answer made most sense:

The sail does indeed give the periscopes an area to retract into, along with the other masts and antennas.

In addition, when a submarine is at periscope depth, you can't allow the main hull to get too close to the surface, or the Bernoulli effect create a lift effect that can cause the submarine to broach the surface. You counteract this by keeping the submarine a few feet deeper, but then the masts and antennas would have to be much longer, increasing the chance of damage or breaking them off. The answer is to build a sturdy platform from which the masts and antennas can extend from--which is the sail.

Finally, you need the sail to operate on the surface, as others have stated. At high speed on the surface, water does indeed sweep over the whole main hull. Even at low speeds, waves routinely wash over the whole hull out in the open ocean. For this reason, Navy personnel have to wear safety harnesses if they need to go on the hull outside of protected waterways.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 28 Jul 2012 06:48

via http://www.aame.in/2012/07/t-50-pak-fa- ... n-bay.html

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 28 Jul 2012 07:05

The canopy seems up and the flames are a cooler orange than the usual blue....

Must be summertime at Dzemgi area

(the site says that is a CGI, not real photom)

Amitabh · Post by **Amitabh** » 28 Jul 2012 11:47

Here you go boys and girls (admins please advise regarding copyright issues).

Source: The Week, August 5, 2012

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 28 Jul 2012 12:40

^^^Excellent...thanks for sharing.

SKrishna · Post by **SKrishna** » 28 Jul 2012 13:20

^^^^ The Army should give it full marks on the looks department. (I sure its as mean a performer as it dapper looks)

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 28 Jul 2012 13:27

Bubbac wrote:
This answer made most sense:
The sail does indeed give the periscopes an area to retract into, along with the other masts and antennas.

Thanks, but like air refueling pods or the extending probes from space shuttle, can there not be an extending arm from the subs, thus saving the coning tower

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 28 Jul 2012 13:29

^^^Thanks a million, man that looks deadly

Boreas · Post by **Boreas** » 28 Jul 2012 17:57

Amitabh wrote:

Here you go boys and girls (admins please advise regarding copyright issues).

Source: The Week, August 5, 2012

thanks for sharing.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 28 Jul 2012 20:58

How many people know that T-90's turret is also kind of boxy. It looks 'sleek' only due to armour tiles placed in similar fashion

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 29 Jul 2012 02:57

Amitabh wrote:

Here you go boys and girls (admins please advise regarding copyright issues).

Source: The Week, August 5, 2012

Many Thanks for Sharing.
Drool, awesome, progress, evolution and above all Vishwaas.

Thank you again. We need more lots of more high res photos of this beast.

tejas · Post by **tejas** » 29 Jul 2012 06:31

Man that is an awesome looking tank

Is it an optical illusion due to the ERA add on or does the turret silhouette appear more streamlined?

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 29 Jul 2012 08:35

WHOA! That is one good looking tank. WOW!

mayankdr · Post by **mayankdr** » 29 Jul 2012 09:36

^^^ I can't see mounted coaxial machine gun on Arjun MKII tank.
Great looks though!!

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 29 Jul 2012 09:40

inshallah, finally we have a weapon platform with real-estate available for future maal!! No more "Light-whatever"!!! We need shakeelasque platforms that can engage a few herrows without sweating

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 29 Jul 2012 15:11

one more with a bit more kit

SKrishna · Post by **SKrishna** » 29 Jul 2012 15:57

^^^ This looks like the T-90 Bhisma to me?????

aniket · Post by **aniket** » 29 Jul 2012 16:28

I think so too. It looks like a T90.
Added later- you can catch the Arjun MK2 pic in Austinji's post in the Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread.

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 29 Jul 2012 18:39

Of course it is a T-90. Its from a desert wargame.

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 29 Jul 2012 18:44

Yea its a T-90. this is what happens when you use your computer without your glasses. I apologize

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 29 Jul 2012 20:22

jamwal wrote:How many people know that T-90's turret is also kind of boxy. It looks 'sleek' only due to armour tiles placed in similar fashion

T-90 turret design is not boxy but some what close to doughnut shaped , Boxy design are the classical western turret design

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Jul 2012 21:54

looking at size of proposed missiles in PAKFA, looks like a huge LRAAM. probably 4 or 5 smaller R77 can fix in that space.

do I see a murgi cage on the T90 - for troops in field to make fresh meals with their own stock of live fowl?

the khaleed will no doubt have a bigger goat cage on the engine deck and a inbuilt tandoor using waste heat from the exhaust

vivek_ahuja · Post by **vivek_ahuja** » 29 Jul 2012 22:02

Singha wrote:do I see a murgi cage on the T90 - for troops in field to make fresh meals with their own stock of live fowl?
the khaleed will no doubt have a bigger goat cage on the engine deck.

In a lighter vein: looking at the pics of the Arjun Mk-II (or is it Mk-1.5?) and the T-90, I kinda get the feeling the DRDO SDREs finally realized that the beauty of a tank in the eyes of the Army Armored Brass folks goes only skin deep and decided to put make-up on the Arjun similar to the T-90. Now Arjun is just as "sexy" as the Bhishma and hence the flirting whistles from the BRFites and the Army.

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 29 Jul 2012 22:54

Au contraire it looks more like the Leo 2A5/6 thanks to the wedge-shaped, spaced add-on armour to the turret front. So just as the Mk I looked a lot like the earlier Leo 2A 4, the Mk2 looks like the follow ons with similar capability growth.

All that DRDO has to do is paint some Iron crosses on the side and call it Tendua tank instead of Arjun and the Army will be in the bag.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 29 Jul 2012 23:12

where is lord berwal

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 30 Jul 2012 01:35

Both the T-90 and Arjun Mk2 pics show what look like "Normandy prongs" in front which were used to plough through hedgerows and other obstacles. What are these for in the desert? Barbed wire?

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 30 Jul 2012 07:30

Mines !! cross minefields...

do u seriously believe tanks will use ploughs to cut thru barbed wires !!

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 30 Jul 2012 08:12

photographs from INS Sahyadri's commissioning

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Gall ... ?g2_page=1

this
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Gall ... s.JPG.html

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Victor · Post by **Victor** » 30 Jul 2012 10:05

manjgu wrote:Mines..

Ah, so. Thanks.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 30 Jul 2012 12:18

This is a T-90 turret with those ERA Tiles:

Leo

Upgraded Leo turret

Arjun is following the same pattern. I wonder how much these extra armour tiles weigh

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 31 Jul 2012 13:23

Hiten wrote: this
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Gall ... s.JPG.html

Delights a jingo's heart, it does!

VishalJ · Post by **VishalJ** » 03 Aug 2012 19:29

Yesterday: Tel Aviv - Ben Gurion, Israel
First Bombardier Global 5000 for

Israeli reg - 4X-COF so some phitting-bitting to be done still.....

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 03 Aug 2012 20:48

Looks like missile targets:

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Gall ... 1.JPG.html
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Gall ... 2.JPG.html

Hiten wrote:photographs from INS Sahyadri's commissioning

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Gall ... ?g2_page=1

this
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Gall ... s.JPG.html

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Arre bhai, why is everyone hell-bent on screwing this thread with squiggly black texts?

Admins & Mods: Could there be a rule in place that says every post to this thread must be accompanied by sharing a photu