The 2012 Olympics Thread

member_23686 · Post by **member_23686** » 01 Aug 2012 16:48

From wiki-

North Korean athletes have won a total of 47 medals, two of which were won at the Winter Games

Indian athletes have won a total of 21 medals

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 01 Aug 2012 17:32

kshatriya wrote:^^^ Check the serve by this Chinese player. He is their best player and was dumped from the Singles team to focus on double

Reverse swing in TT?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 01 Aug 2012 17:47

and the cheating badminton players have been disqualified

Sen_K · Post by **Sen_K** » 01 Aug 2012 18:17

Olympics: Mary Kom forced to train alone after coach denied accreditation

One of India’s big medal hopes, MC Mary Kom has been forced to train on her own in Liverpool after her coach Charles Atkinson wasn’t granted accreditation for the Olympics, reports Mirror.
Instead, the five-time world boxing champion has been asked to train with the women’s team coach Anoop Kumar during the course of the Olympics. What is important to note is that the two never worked together throughout Mary’s preparation for the Games. Also, when there’s no other woman pugilist in fray at the Games, then why couldn’t Mary be given the option of training with a coach of her choice?

Mirror quoted PK Muralidhar Raja, secretary of the Indian Boxing Federation and the Chef de Mission of the Indian contingent in London, as saying: “Mary wanted Atkinson but she hasn’t really worked with him for that long. Anoop is officially the women’s team coach. He had to be there ahead of Atkinson.”

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 01 Aug 2012 18:20

Hockey India new zealand 1-1

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 01 Aug 2012 18:30

penalty corner to NZ

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 01 Aug 2012 18:32

Penalty stroke awarded to NZ and they scored 2-1 New Zealand.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 01 Aug 2012 18:33

indians are playing very poor today!! they need to pull up their game.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 01 Aug 2012 18:36

another goal scored by NZ now it is 3-1

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 01 Aug 2012 18:41

Are Jwala/Ashwini thru ? TOI says so but cant confirm anywhere else.

4 Teams Disqualified

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 01 Aug 2012 18:43

Gurbaj almost managed to score a self-goal! PATHETIC!!

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 01 Aug 2012 18:43

I am not watching hockey anymore!! PATHETIC!

Ardeshir · Post by **Ardeshir** » 01 Aug 2012 18:59

3-1. Now even hockey-nobodies like New Zealand beat us.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 01 Aug 2012 19:13

Looks like Jwala/Aparna did not make it. Idiots TOI.. Reporting news without checking

Abhijeet · Post by **Abhijeet** » 01 Aug 2012 19:14

Is anyone watching the Olympics on Star Sports or ESPN in India? How does their coverage compare to DD?

DD has only a live feed, which is good in some ways but I'd also like it if there was a "best of" compilation in the evenings. I'm wondering whether to splurge on the extra Rs. 30 per channel

and get Star Sports/ESPN for the duration of the Olympics. Any recommendations for or against?

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 01 Aug 2012 19:15

If you are Indian and watching in India for Indian sports then DD is the best. If you want to watch the others too then ESPN.

saip · Post by **saip** » 01 Aug 2012 19:24

kshatriya wrote:^^ Its a shame that the Japanese loss doesn't get any mention as dubious as it was

I wish it had. Now all the 8 players who tried to throw their matches have been disqualified. The decision is appealed and will be decided today.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 01 Aug 2012 19:27

But it looks like it will be direct Semi finals. So Jwala/Aparna still out.

saip · Post by **saip** » 01 Aug 2012 19:32

Yes, because Japan was not one of the teams disqualified even though in retrospect they too might have thrown their match.

Abhijeet · Post by **Abhijeet** » 01 Aug 2012 19:34

SBajwa, thanks. Are you watching in India? I'd like firsthand experience if possible.

sum · Post by **sum** » 01 Aug 2012 19:35

^^ No wonder no one cares about hockey despite all the attempts to whip up some support.

What a pathetic match. Disgusting to watch

sum · Post by **sum** » 01 Aug 2012 19:42

^^ At this stage, what are all the remaining chances for a medal for us?

Ardeshir · Post by **Ardeshir** » 01 Aug 2012 19:43

ESPN has Gora Saheb commentary. Today during the archery event between Deepika and the British archer, the Memsaahib in her infinite wisdom opined that Deepika beat the British girl at the Commonwealth Games in a "dodgy win", because the crowd in Delhi kept shouting while the British girl was about to shoot, thus disturbing her concentration.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 01 Aug 2012 19:52

sum wrote:^^ At this stage, what are all the remaining chances for a medal for us?

We have tough draw's in Boxing. So may be

1 in boxing, 1 more in shooting , 1 in wrestling and one more in Badminton.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 01 Aug 2012 20:03

Hockey Team scorecard after 2 matches.

Sardara Singh B (excellent hockey work in center and he kept giving passes to forwards who failed)
Bharat Chhetri B (good goal keeping)
Sandeep Singh D (Bad defense but scored 1 goal out of 2 penalty corners)

Gurbaj Singh Fail
SV Sunil Fail
Shivendra Singh Fail
Ignace Tirkey Fail
VR Raghunath Fail
SK Uthappa Fail

sum · Post by **sum** » 01 Aug 2012 20:05

Uthappa is a maha fail....cant imagine him being called a international forward!!

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 01 Aug 2012 20:15

by Kshtriya
1 in boxing, 1 more in shooting , 1 in wrestling and one more in Badminton.

I doubt any!! We can probably get to semi finals in Boxing, Wrestling and Badminton and in top 5 in shooting that's it.

We should be thankful that we have 83 sports person who qualified in multiple sports!!! Never before I have seen India being represented in olympics with so many different athletes in different sports!!

Positives of this olympics so far are

1. The whole archery contingent competing with the world best.
2. The badminton contingent.
3. The boxing contingent. (much improved since 2000 and represented in multiple events )
4. Swarn Singh and rowing folks.
5. Shooting folks (much bigger team in many events)

It is only up from now on!!! Hockey can be improved in both Men and Women's events!!

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 01 Aug 2012 20:24

The problem with Indian hockey team is that they have not played Olympic level hockey since 2004 and have been exposed to third rate teams like Canada and Kenya in order to qualify for Olympics!! Now that India hockey team is getting experience they will do better in Rio (provided they qualify)., We need to improve upon

1. Defense (like Pargat Singh)
2. Forwards to convert chances.
3. Mental issues (killer instinct and focus on to never giving up)
4. Cardio ( I would put all players daily on a tread mill for 2 hours at 6mph for next 4 years)

I would also extend Coach Michael Nobbs contract till Rio.

The current Olympic problem is because of the whole fiasco between HI and FIH and several good players out.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 01 Aug 2012 20:41

Check out the match that the CHinese and SoKo players got disqualified for.
How blatant.

http://www.businessinsider.com/eight-ba ... ics-2012-8

Scroll to the bottom for the video.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 01 Aug 2012 20:47

So far, I'm very disappointed at India's performance. This time, we had none of the usual excuses of:
No facilities/time/money/expert coaching/exposure etc. I don't think any Indian contingent was better prepared than this one.

Some things we might have done better:

I don't think we should have entered the Badminton Mixed doubles, at it meant Jwala Gutta had to play 2 matches on the
same day - Perhaps we might have beaten the Singapore team by the required margin, after leading 11-1, if Gutta was not tired.

Same applies to Tennis women's doubles. We did not have the slightest chance, better for Sania to focus on the one event she has a
better chance in. Speaking of which, after our tennis fiasco (2 of our teams are yet to play, but I anticipate a fiasco), heads at the federation should roll.

Mary Kom not given her own coach, instead we have some `political appointee', who as per IBF has been coach of the Indian women's team `for a long time'. What team, when Mary Kom is our only rep and she wants another coach. Instead we send Sania's mum to the Olympics as an official coach.

Women's archery was a huge disappointment, particularly considering the excessive media hype. I don't think the pressure got to
them, their body language just seemed to suggest that the intensity was not there. If Deepika Kumari cant hit a 10 in 12 attempts, or shine on any of the 3 days she shot, something is terribly wrong.
I'm less upset with the Men, they did pretty much what was expected from their ranking. Similarly, a disappointment from the shooters so far (1 bronze is not something to celebrate).

The way the hockey team played - incl. in the run up to the Olympics, I think not think they had a serious chance for a medal.
I think we are moving in the right direction under Nobbs, we might be world class in time for the next Olympics.

I've no idea why our judoka was sent to the Olympics. Exposure is all very well, but she wasn't in Commonwealth or Asian class
either. At least our TT players put up a fight and rowers broke their national record.

Only positives so far:
Kashyap in Badminton.
Devendro Singh and Jai Bagwan - look capable of getting a medal, based on their 1st round performance.

Saina, Manoj Kumar and Vijendra Singh performed to potential so far.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 01 Aug 2012 20:53

SBajwa wrote:
by Kshtriya
1 in boxing, 1 more in shooting , 1 in wrestling and one more in Badminton.
I doubt any!! We can probably get to semi finals in Boxing, Wrestling and Badminton and in top 5 in shooting that's it.

Semis in Boxing, Wresting is a Bronze Medal. Losing Semi finalists get bronze in Combat sports. There are 2 bronzes in combat sports.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 01 Aug 2012 21:05

What's this from IBN ?
Olympics Badminton: Jwala-Ashwini likely to be reinstated

After the disqualification of eight female badminton players for deliberately losing their respective doubles matches at the London Olympics, the Indian doubles pair of Jwala Gutta & Ashwini Ponappa - who made an exit on Tuesday despite winning two out of three matches - is likely to be reinstated and can replace one of the disqualified pairs.

Players from China, Indonesia and South Korea were disqualified following a formal disciplinary hearing by the Badminton World Federation. However, they were not expelled from the Games.

Crying foul over the whole incident, India on Wednesday lodged a complaint. Former All England Open Badminton Championships winner-turned-coach, P Gopichand, said India’s contingent had lodged a complaint with the Olympic committee. “The matter is taken very seriously by the organisation and it will not be surprise if strong action is taken,” he said. “The [Badminton World Federation] meeting is on. We hope that there will be some outcome.”

"We were shocked the way Japan lost. I played good yesterday as we wanted to win," Jwala told CNN-IBN reacting to the news. "It’s not [the] right way to do; it's Olympics and we should play fair. We are waiting for the news [of reinstatement] to come," Jwala's doubles partner Ashwini said.
Jwala went on and termed the whole incident as 'match-fixing' and hoped that justice would be done. "I am heart broken. I would say it is match fixing," she said adding, "I am sure justice will be done and they should be disqualified."

The players involved were China's world champions Wang Xiaoli and Yu Yang, Indonesia's Greysia Polii and Meiliana Jauhari and two South Korean pairs - Jung Kyung-eun and Kim Ha-na, and Ha Jung-eun and Kim Min-jung.

I hope Gopi and co get these giant-killing girls reinstated. The appeal by the Koreans and Indonesians was rejected, while the Chinese didn't even bother to appeal their disqualification.

Very disappointed by Deepika's performance. She should at least have medaled, on her current form. Our archers have demonstrated little mental strength in this event. I hope the archery federation makes amends by training them much harder.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 01 Aug 2012 21:10

The schedule is announced. Jwala/aswini are not in it

Ardeshir · Post by **Ardeshir** » 01 Aug 2012 21:15

My medal hopes are now pinned on Sushil Kumar and the boxers.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 01 Aug 2012 21:24

Yes, it seems our protest about the Japanese throwing their matching was rejected for lack of evidence. As if losing in straight sets to the #10 team who could not even beat us - a far more inexperienced #20, is not enough evidence.
Indian protest against Japanese match-throwing rejected

India's appeal against the result of a group B match between Japan and Chinese Taipei in the women's doubles badminton competition, which they alleged was not played in the right spirit and resulted in the elimination of the Indian pair, was turned down in London on Wednesday.

Badminton Association Of India (BAI) president Akhilesh Das Gupta said that their formal protest was rejected because of lack of evidence.

"On behalf of BAI we had lodged a protest saying that the match between Japan and Chinese Taipei was also fixed and Japan deliberately lost that match just to have a better draw in the next round, resulting in India not getting a chance to qualify for the next round," Das Gupta said.

"But now, they have already rejected our protest. We are also shocked and surprised. A day before we had beaten Chinese Taipei and they have qualified and we were denied qualification because Japan lost deliberately.

"They said they could not find evidence to charge the players. On the basis of that they rejected the appeal," he added.

India had lodged a formal protest with the Games organisers to probe if the Japan-Chinese Taipei match was played in the right spirit yesterday, following the elimination of medal hopes Jwala Gutta and Ashwini Ponnappa.

"We have formally lodged a complaint asking the organising committee to look at the Japan and Chinese Taipei match to see whether that match was played in the spirit of the sport, which I don't think was the case, and we are awaiting the outcome of that," Gopichand said.

On Tuesday night, Jwala and Ashwini missed out on a quarterfinal berth by a difference of just one point, even though they beat Shinta Mulia Sari and Lei Yao of Singapore 21-16 21-15 in their last group B match, after tying with Japan and Taipei on the number of wins.

Prior to India's final group game on Tuesday night, the World number five Japanese pair of Mizuki Fujii and Reika Kakiiwa had shockingly lost to Chinese Taipei's Cheng Wen Hsing and Chien Yu Chin, ranked 10th, 19-21 11-21.

"The match we are talking about is women's doubles. It is obvious that both teams wanted to lose. Hopefully some action will be taken. System needs a change because, if players had a choice, it would be fair to say that the Chinese teams would not want to meet in the quarters. Neither would Indonesia or Korea want to play China in quarters," Gopichand said.

"So the players are trying to make use of the system in trying to win medals. There is some fairness in what they are thinking. But eventually we need to ensure that the system is foolproof and the players are not allowed to do that (deliberately lose)," he added.

Gopichand also said: "There was a suggestion that all matches are played simultaneously so that players don't get a chance to rig the results with their calculations and everyone plays to win.

"If you look at their (China) record, they have done this many times, they have been doing it for many years now and players and officials know about it," he added.

Jwala and Ashwini finished third in the table with a point difference of 3, while Chinese Taipei (21) and Japan (4) qualified to the quarterfinals from the group.

Taipei, Japan and India won two matches each and lost one but when the differences were calculated taking into account games won and lost and points won and lost, India were pushed to the third spot.

One half of the Commonwealth Games gold medallist pair, Jwala said they were completely heartbroken.

"We are completely heartbroken. We played so well and still we couldn't qualify because someone else is throwing matches. We worked hard for the Olympics and we were shocked to see the result," Jwala told PTI.

"Look at the way the Japanese pair lost to the Chinese Taipei. I don't know what they were thinking but it is very disappointing. Players lose respect for Olympics after such incidents," she added.

Meanwhile, eight badminton players were dramatically disqualified from Olympic competition today for allegedly "throwing" matches.

The four women's doubles pairs - one from China, one from Indonesia and two from South Korea - were barred after being hit by disciplinary charges of the Badminton World Federation (BWF) took action.

Jwala also said that BWF should "take action" against these players who deliberately throw matches.

"It is high time that BWF not only takes up these issues but also take some action against these players. There are youtube video available in the internet, they should probe it properly," she said.

"We are deeply affected but still we are hoping that some action will be taken," she added.

Amazing. At least those other teams all got thrown out as I had hoped. It's an unprecedented action on IOC and BWF's part.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 01 Aug 2012 21:41

Olympics has turned out to be a big fraud, at least the badminton part so far for all to see. Really pathetic.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 01 Aug 2012 21:45

Bade wrote:Olympics has turned out to be a big fraud, at least the badminton part so far for all to see. Really pathetic.

Can't speak as an exert at all, but Indians slowly coming up in sports and what do we see in the WORLD Olympics? These are International first world or progressive countries, what to do onlee. It is the center of sportsman spirit where the fittest compete.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 01 Aug 2012 21:48

So the change in draw in women's doubles meant the losing teams in the groups of the 4 disqualified teams all qualify now. It's fair enough to those teams. Realistically, Jwala/Ponnappa knew exactly what they needed to do, because their match came after the Japanese lost to the Taiwanese; they didn't attempt to win by the requisite margin and came up short. Perhaps they did, but couldn't - they were after all the bottom ranked team in their group, but beat everyone else except the Japanese.

Good to see Kashyap make it to quarters. He'll need a miracle to get past world #2 Lee Chong Wei now.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Aug 2012 22:02

I saw lin dan for the 1st time couple days back. looks like a hollywood cheen character from say a pirates of caribbean movie. sleeveless top, tatoo of cross on biceps, other tatoos on arms...very much unlike the std template of han chinese. he looks more like malay or indonesian than a cheen tfta.

seems to be a formidable F22 type player though....49 tournament wins (!) he is also prepared to break ranks and speak his mind.
http://www.firstpost.com/sports/lin-say ... 00787.html
Men’s singles champion Lin Dan broke ranks with his Chinese badminton team on Wednesday, saying ‘throwing’ tactics employed by four women’s doubles pairs at the London Games to secure an easier draw were not in the Olympic spirit.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 01 Aug 2012 22:17

The Devendrao Singh and Bayron Molina Figueroa boxing match, in case anyone missed it on TV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zVYlR9b25U

India (Vijender) v/s Kazakhastan (Danabek Sukhanov)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BlCV0ST9Vw