Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 14 Nov 2012 03:56

Perhaps Pa'astanis can share its experience in fathering children when in custody via non state semen. I might be wrong here, it was perhaps thuka thuk mast Qalandar consciousness that resulted in Jr Zakiur Rehman Laqvi being conceived. I think apart from Pasha, Kiyanahi, security guard at Laqvi household-Qalandar and Mrs Laqvi no body knows the truth

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 14 Nov 2012 05:54

Erstwhile SDRE biratherly nation deals a blow to H&D

Bangladesh prime minister shuns Pakistan summit invitation

And GOI is promoting kirket.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 14 Nov 2012 06:45

Tarrel and Deepel fliend has a reliable musharaf in Pakistan to protect its underbelly!
by Mujahid Hussain

It is hard to out-do a Paki when it comes to comedy of words... No need for any misspelling!

While Pakistan’s importance for China has increased lately as it continues to be a window to the Muslim World, serving as its ‘reliable rear’ {asses producing reliable, odorous pindi channa gas?} by protecting China’s ‘soft southern underbelly’ (Tibet and Xinjiang).

Second, security of the 15,000 Chinese technicians, experts and engineers working on 130 projects in Pakistan, given recurring incidents of kidnapping and killing of Chinese experts. A major Chinese investment project on energy in Sind, said to be in the vicinity of $19 billion, was called off on security grounds.

Third, Beijing feels roots of violent extremism in Xinjiang often have footprints traced to Afghanistan and Waziristan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Nov 2012 11:05

The Current Talibani Attack on the Pakistani Nation PK Upadhyay - IDSA

The militant Deobandi Islamists have now launched a clear campaign to cow down sections of the media that have so far been standing up to them, and such other sources of potent social and political resistance as the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM). What is very worrying is that in this phase of Deobandi onslaught the Army is clearly abandoning its earlier pretense of readiness to take the Islamic zealots head on and sections of the establishment seem more willing now to be just silent accomplices. {Kayani's recent warning was not only for the judiciary but also for the media, as most Pakistani watchers have said.}

Journalists Hamid Mir, Javed Chaudhary, Mohammad Maalik, Iftikhar Alam, and others have openly alleged to have been threatened by TTP through calls on their land-lines and cell phones as well as through e-mails. To their despair, the government agencies have chosen not to take any action on their complaints despite their having provided call/mail details to them. Hamid Mir even alleges that in this latest attempt to intimidate the media into silence or submission, the TTP and the official agencies (an euphemism for ISI) seem to be acting in tandem.

It is not just the journalists who are the targets of the latest Talibani onslaught. Socio-political groups like the MQM are also sought to be targeted, since MQM and its leader Altaf Hussein have taken a strong and active stand against Islamic radicals of the TTP variety over the Malala incident.

The Taliban did not take it lying down and their spokesman in Karachi, Umar Farooq, a former Jamaat-e-Islami functionary, declared “We are a group of Islamic warriors fighting against infidels” and that “Karachi is our base and we will target anyone our leader Hakimullah Mehsud tells us to”.

The Pakistani state, particularly the Army, is either incapable of, or more likely unwilling to, confront the Taliban over this latest upsurge in their activities. No less a person than President Asif Ali Zardari has been reduced to merely wringing his hands in despair in public over the weakness of the state to go after the attackers of Malala Yusufzai. He admitted to a delegation of the South Asia Free Media Association (October 21) that he could do nothing to avenge the near fatal attack on Malala as Pakistan was not ready for the extremist blow-back if North Waziristan were attacked. He indicated that there were three reasons for this: Pakistani political parties were not united over the implications of the attack on Malala; the extremists ready to join hands with Al-Qaeda/Taliban were too strong and widespread to risk challenging by going after North Waziri Taliban; and Pakistan was in a different situation today than in 2009 at the time of the launch of the Swat operations.

Hamid Mir alleged that some Generals had entered into secret deals with Taliban factions to either secure the release of captured Pakistani servicemen or for preventing Army units from being targeted. Apparently, these deals have been cemented by transferring large amounts of money to Taliban commanders.

Apparently, it is Hamid Gul who controls the GHQ’s mind-set, even though Kayani is the commander in uniform.{That's why he is unable to be declared as a terrorist by the Al Qaeda Sanctions Committee of the UNSC}

However, the Pakistan Army is neither willing to play this role any more, nor seems to have any faith left in its own capabilities. It appears to be readying itself into throwing the towel down. It also does not seem to have the nation behind it as in the past.

This has implications for India as well. While it may not be possible to hold back on contacts with Pakistan’s establishment of the day, India needs to wait and watch how far the Taliban’s Deobandi/Wahabi/Salafi influence would grow and if, at all, when and to what extant the Pakistani establishment is going to strike back.

AbhiJ · Post by **AbhiJ** » 14 Nov 2012 11:54

Islam gave Equal Right to Men and Women: ISI Chief

Rawalpindi—While talking to the monthly Ijlas of Shura Hamdard former Naval Chief Iftekhar Ahmed Serohi and I.S.I. chief Gen. Hamid Gul said that all the old civilization of world did not have concept of education for women, it is Islam which give equal rights to men women and education is also equally necessary for both in Islam.

The developed countries had followed Islamic teaching and accept the importance of education for both men and women to approach their current position. Women can perform great job in vocational and I.T. fields in our country too.

The topic of month was “Moashry Ki Tamir Main Taleem-e-Naswaan Ki Ehmiyat”, Admiral Iftekhar Ahmad Serohi preside the Ijlas. Other participants of Ijlas were Prof. Niaz Irfan, Dr. S. M. Zaman, Aurangzaib Awan, Qazi Arif Hussain Advocate and Ch. Shafique Ahmad Khan Advocate. National President of Shura Hamdard Sadia Rashid said that mother is the first institution to her child and if we neglect the basic need it would be a sin. While expressing their opinion all the participants said that unfortunately education is being neglected in our country from top to the bottom level and its evidence is the decreased amount for higher education our national budget.

1) Islam is the First one to give Education to the World. Education did not exist before Allah came in dream of Mohammad one night One O Clock.

2) All Civilization followed Islamic Teaching and became Developed.

3) Islamic Republic of Pakistan Neglects Education. Then How can we be Islamic? Isn't that Shirk?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Nov 2012 12:06

If Islam gave education to wimmens, then why does Hamid Gul-supported Taliban shut down girls' schools and shoot school-going girls ? Humbug.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 14 Nov 2012 15:30

More importantly, you have to pity a religion and a country where a nail puller and spy chief is the guy offering sermons on what Islam is and is not....so they have taken over that role formally as well. Not that the mullas they rely on for theological guidance are doing a bad job anyway..

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Nov 2012 16:45

Senators want Army to take over Krachi

Once upon a time, there was a similar takeover of Lahore and rest is history.

But, seriously, would the PA be willing to do so at this juncture ? They would have to confront their nemesis, the 'bad Taliban'. I don't think it would be a good idea for the PA.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Nov 2012 17:09

I had directed the ISI to close the 'political cell': Musharraf

The question is, even if we were o believe a liar, when did he so order the closure of the political cell. We know that the cell was active during the referendum in early 2002 and the polls later that year.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 14 Nov 2012 17:13

there is a very simple game being played

Pak gov - Pak Army - ISI

the army is in charge, Pak Gov is the public (international) face, and ISI is the 'other', just as there is good talibunnies and bad talibunnies

the story goes as - 'bad things' are done by (shadowy) ISI and bad talibunnies, whilst PA gets to play unkil-da-partner and pak-Gov gets to pretend that there is still a nation state

this model gives everyone someone to interact with whilst no one is actually held accountable

unkil is still dreaming that there is going to be a power hand over from Pak army to Pak gov and is forcing yindoos to play ball

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 14 Nov 2012 17:19

SSridhar wrote:If Islam gave education to wimmens, then why does Hamid Gul-supported Taliban shut down girls' schools and shoot school-going girls ? Humbug.

To promote urban redevelopment and home schooling.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 14 Nov 2012 17:35

[url=xxxhttp://dawn.com/2012/11/14/pakistan-agrees-to-set-free-taliban-leaders/]Pakistan agrees to set free Taliban leaders[/url]

In an unprecedented gesture of support for Afghanistan’s struggling reconciliation process, Pakistan agreed on Tuesday to release several Taliban leaders detained in the country’s jails.

Islamabad has long said that it supported peace and stability in Afghanistan, but has been holding back its cards in view of lack of clarity about the peace process with Taliban both in Kabul and Washington.

However, with the drawdown deadline approaching fast and all sorts of unfavourable scenarios for Pakistan being projected (with the assumption that instability in Afghanistan would continue), the government appears to have changed its tack and decided to more proactively support the process for the sake of its success. It is more than clear to Pakistani strategists that successful reconciliation in Afghanistan is their best bet.

I don't understand, how come freeing talibunnies helps Afghanistan reconciliation? Am I missing something?

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 14 Nov 2012 17:42

[url=xxxhttp://dawn.com/2012/11/14/violence-continues-in-karachi-as-six-more-killed/]Six more abduls took off from Krachi[/url]

Addressing a session of federal cabinet on Wednesday, Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf said that the wave of violence in Karachi was an issue of concern.

Concern!! Where is martial law then? Ah I am sorry, this is pakistan we are talking about. Carry on pakis.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Nov 2012 17:57

abhijitm wrote:I don't understand, how come freeing talibunnies helps Afghanistan reconciliation? Am I missing something?

Abhijit, you are no exception. Nobody understands the oxymoronic idea of 'peace with Taliban'. Like the classification of the good and bad Taliban that Pakistan has sold to the rest of the world, the US is selling the ridiculous idea that some of these barbarians are amenable to dialogue and peaceful resolution of the problem. The Pakistanis see a great advantage in this approach for themselves. TSP is again going to be the usual strategic fools because the Taliban are no longer confined to Afghanistan and their ideology is now the same as that of OBL & Zawahiri.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 14 Nov 2012 17:58

abhijitm wrote: I don't understand, how come freeing talibunnies helps Afghanistan reconciliation? Am I missing something?

Presumably, the bunnies arrested were the ones that either were flirting with the other side or were going into business themselves, not taking ISI/TSPA instructions seriously enough. Baradar was one. Perhaps the most important one.

So either ISI/TSPA has turned them around, so now they are safe to let go or they are too junior / ineffective to matter. Which is also why they are holding Baradar back.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 14 Nov 2012 19:36

To me it appears that there is a tug of war going on between the Pak Army, The Judiciary and the Civilian politicians (Zardari and the PPP)
This is happening because kiyani is fighting with one hand tied behind his back, he can't shoo the civilians and the kala coats off like his predecessors have done in the past.
It appears that the US, after being bitten by the pak fauj is now showing the fauj a cold shoulder and now they have discouraged an outright coup. The pak fauj's response is going to be to then drag their feet on the GOAT hunt until the US agrees to some demand of theirs. (Kiyani's extension / promotion to field marshal rank / Chief Martial Law Administrator)

India is also destabilizing things in Pakistan. GOI's approach with the civvies gives them great hope. Note that no other power interacts with the civvies in Pakistan - not the US, nor the Queendom or the tallel fliends. And now India is 'rich and powerful' and is engaging the civvies. One can actually rush amongst the civvies to claim friendliness with the new neighbourhood "daroga" and pay obeisance at India's altar. This gives the civvies a one up on the faujis.
The fauj's reaction is expected to be along predicted lines.

But one feels that the internal dynamics of Pakistan has changed. I dunno if pakistan is ripe for plucking, but a more powerful India, and civilians in control might mean that Pakistan can be brought into India's orbit.
Who knows?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 14 Nov 2012 20:23

yes but the civilians are not in control

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 Nov 2012 20:34

Gagan wrote:But one feels that the internal dynamics of Pakistan has changed. I dunno if pakistan is ripe for plucking, but a more powerful India, and civilians in control might mean that Pakistan can be brought into India's orbit.
Who knows?

Pakistan is ripe for the plucking by the "bad" Islamists! ("bad" == anti-American)

If some hearts are ablaze in Delhi and Isloo, then it is their momentary fluttering before the beardy father of Henna comes along, cuts her down and shoots a warning shot across our bow. Don't you know, that is what happens to all Muslim girls who befriend the friendly neighborhood Hindoo?!

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 14 Nov 2012 21:23

Gagan wrote:To me it appears that there is a tug of war going on between the Pak Army, The Judiciary and the Civilian politicians (Zardari and the PPP)
This is happening because kiyani is fighting with one hand tied behind his back, he can't shoo the civilians and the kala coats off like his predecessors have done in the past.
It appears that the US, after being bitten by the pak fauj is now showing the fauj a cold shoulder and now they have discouraged an outright coup. The pak fauj's response is going to be to then drag their feet on the GOAT hunt until the US agrees to some demand of theirs. (Kiyani's extension / promotion to field marshal rank / Chief Martial Law Administrator)

India is also destabilizing things in Pakistan. GOI's approach with the civvies gives them great hope. Note that no other power interacts with the civvies in Pakistan - not the US, nor the Queendom or the tallel fliends. And now India is 'rich and powerful' and is engaging the civvies. One can actually rush amongst the civvies to claim friendliness with the new neighbourhood "daroga" and pay obeisance at India's altar. This gives the civvies a one up on the faujis.
The fauj's reaction is expected to be along predicted lines.

But one feels that the internal dynamics of Pakistan has changed. I dunno if pakistan is ripe for plucking, but a more powerful India, and civilians in control might mean that Pakistan can be brought into India's orbit.
Who knows?

That is an interesting perspective. I never really liked India canoodling with the Pakistanis..civies or otherwise. But it may not be a bad idea to canoodle with the civies in Pakistan... particularly when the Army/ISI is trying to mess with the civies and when Unkil is canoodling with the Army, its time to step up and support their civies.

I don't believe the incompetent leftist Indian govt is doing this in a Chanakyan way...I am thinking more like "Even the broken clock is right twice a day" way.

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 14 Nov 2012 21:41

Inbred Brit-Bakis in Bradford are in denial that inbreeding is harmful. I hope they continue the fine inbreeding rituals.

Clicky

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 14 Nov 2012 21:53

Not mil stuff. Maybe benis material. posting here
Pak trying to develop its own combat UAV

Pakistan is on the verge of joining an elite group of countries capable of manufacturing unmanned aircraft capable of killing as well as spying, according to a senior defence official. Pakistan, which opposes lethal drone Bad dronesstrikes carried out by the CIA in its territory, said it is only developing remote-controlled aircraft for surveillance purposes.Good drones

jash_p · Post by **jash_p** » 14 Nov 2012 23:33

SSridhar;
If Islam gave education to wimmens, then why does Hamid Gul-supported Taliban shut down girls' schools and shoot school-going girls ? Humbug.

You kuffar!!!
Don't you know that our Neo Khalifa rasul Hamid Gul bin TFTA (PBHU) supported Taliban shut down girls' schools and shoot school-going girls because they were learning Kuffar education and we need to teach them Islamic education.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Nov 2012 00:25

Is HamId Gowl the expected Paaqi Mahdi Aadambar Paedombar Lafandar?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Nov 2012 01:56

Pakistan frees Taliban prisoners in midst of peace process with Afghanistan

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11/14 ... z2CEQBYKDh

ISLAMABAD – Pakistan agreed to free a handful of Taliban prisoners at the request of the Afghan government, in a move meant to help jumpstart a shaky peace process with the militant group in neighboring Afghanistan, officials said Wednesday.The decision to release the prisoners -- described as mid- and low-level fighters -- is the most encouraging sign yet that Islamabad may be willing to play a constructive role in peace efforts that have made little headway since they began some four years ago, hobbled by distrust among the major players involved, including the United States.The U.S. and its allies fighting in Afghanistan are pushing to strike a peace deal with the Taliban so they can pull out most of their troops by the end of 2014 without the country descending into further chaos. But considerable obstacles remain, and it is unclear whether the Taliban even intend to take part in the process, rather than just wait until foreign forces withdraw.Pakistan is seen as key to the peace process. Islamabad has ties to the Taliban that date back to the 1990s, and many of the group's leaders are believed to be based on Pakistani territory, having fled there following the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.There were conflicting reports about whether Pakistan had already released the Taliban prisoners or just intended to. There was also some confusion about exactly how many prisoners were involved.A Pakistani government official and an intelligence official said Islamabad released at least seven Taliban militants Wednesday in response to a personal request by Salahuddin Rabbani, the head of an Afghan government council for peace talks with the Taliban, who was wrapping up a three-day visit to Islamabad. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to brief the media.An Afghan official with knowledge of the talks said no prisoners had yet been released. He said the delegation gave Pakistan a list of 40 Taliban prisoners they wanted released. Pakistan provided a list of 10 prisoners they would release, but this list was rejected by the delegation, the official said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media. The two sides were still trying to reach a compromise, he said

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 15 Nov 2012 03:32

Hopefully, this will not affect our cricketing ties...

Army foils infiltration bid in J&K; 2 militants, 3 jawans killed

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Nov 2012 04:49

Anindya wrote:Hopefully, this will not affect our cricketing ties...

Army foils infiltration bid in J&K; 2 militants, 3 jawans killed

No. MMS has already apologized and all is well.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Nov 2012 07:26

AbhiJ wrote:Islam gave Equal Right to Men and Women: ISI Chief

Rawalpindi—While talking to the monthly Ijlas of Shura Hamdard former Naval Chief Iftekhar Ahmed Serohi and I.S.I. chief Gen. Hamid Gul said that all the old civilization of world did not have concept of education for women, it is Islam which give equal rights to men women and education is also equally necessary for both in Islam.

Hamid Gul supporting women's education? This is the same Hamid Gul who features in the 2008 video clip below where he talks about nuking Bangalore once he gets the Taliban on his side. Now he is worried about Malala? A 14 year old adult woman?

What a cowardly come down for this Islamic warrior and hero of the Islamic republic - now pissing in his pants and talking all cissy,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw3VqBt7aKA&feature=plcp

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 15 Nov 2012 07:27

mishra-garu

^^^ And Digivijaya Singh blamed the Sangh parivar for it, which Hindu reported as "BJP found itself on the defensive yet again having to explain Digvijaya Singh's well articulated charge against the Sangh Parivar for stoking Indo-Pakistani enmity for communal reasons"

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Nov 2012 08:08

shiv wrote:Now he is worried about Malala? A 14 year old adult woman?

Sorry OT
But Jernail retard Ham-IED Ghoul is on a transformation spree.
He went to appease the Shias when the shias were being cuttled by his boys in POK and KP earlier this year.
And now when one of his boys has effed up trying to scare Malala (I refuse to believe they are so incompetent that they can't take out a 14 yr old), he is trying to play nicey nice.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 15 Nov 2012 12:39

My fourth cousin took his camel for a piss in the comments section of EH latest offering and got the most votes so far

partha · Post by **partha** » 15 Nov 2012 13:22

Anujan wrote:My fourth cousin took his camel for a piss in the comments section of EH latest offering and got the most votes so far

Upvoted

To give credit where it is due, tribune website is well designed with a good comment section for the articles.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 15 Nov 2012 13:32

^^
At one point in the article he complains that the unwashed abduls of pakistan unlike their perfumed bottomed RAPE always leave behind a fragrant Pakhanistan

, and uses the whole situation as an anal'ogy to explain the situation in Pakistan.

Basically he was inadvertently equating that Pakistan == Pakhanistan - this i had to agree 400%

And the firangi "southasia experts" acknowledge this toilet humour regularly dished out by ejaz haider as strategic anal-e-sis .

The Motorway and the Dark Ages - Ejaz Haider
.........
The usually serene and clean places were littered and many faithful spat around, pursing their lips and ejecting spittle with the precision of a guided missile.
Here, too, they sat eating, squatting, performing ablutions, some of them doing it in the open, others in the restrooms, noisily clearing their throats and blowing their noses, putting their feet in the basin to wash off the grime, making the washrooms unusable for all others. It was difficult to figure out whether those doing the ‘needful’ inside were worse than those who sat, often scattered, just off the roadside, squatting and pissing. Micturating in the open is an exercise that requires years of practice and also the ability to squat and bend one leg at a certain obscene angle before (un)doing oneself. And if there is no water, one can do what is known as — though I am sure completely unknown to the 20-something upper-crust urbanites — butwani where the ‘u’ in ‘but’ is to be pronounced as the ‘u’ in ‘put’, thank you.
This incredible exercise in cleaning the musty underpinnings cannot be described here but readers are welcome to make their discreet, individual inquiries. For once, they will find Google at a complete loss!
.........

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 15 Nov 2012 13:52

Air Marshal has an article about what Obama should do (now that the Pakis have figured out what they should do, they are off to dole out advice to their benefactor). He ends it with a classy

Not bad, for a man of colour.

Ofcourse all Pakis think they are white central asian arabs.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 15 Nov 2012 14:35

anupmisra wrote:
Anindya wrote:Hopefully, this will not affect our cricketing ties...

Army foils infiltration bid in J&K; 2 militants, 3 jawans killed
No. MMS has already apologized and all is well.

Normally, I don't take too kindly to elected officials getting stick here, but this one is hilarious

If you are not a mallu, you must have been one in your previous birth

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 15 Nov 2012 15:00

OK, I just read that article by Haidar. Serious questions:

1. WTF can't they stand and piss? Is it unIslamic?
2. What is Butwani - first I'm hearing of it.
3. What is this about men squatting and bending leg at obscene angle etc? What is it for? No. 1 or No. 2?

habal · Post by **habal** » 15 Nov 2012 15:19

JE Menon wrote:OK, I just read that article by Haidar. Serious questions:

1. WTF can't they stand and piss? Is it unIslamic?

yes.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 15 Nov 2012 15:28

The situation is so bad in pukistan that the talented PhD strat-e-gic anal-e-ist cannot speak their mind on teetar. That is a bigger tragedy than a bit of roughness on the road (that are smoothest ones in the region). I hope this too is highlighted by the columnists.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Nov 2012 15:39

JE Menon wrote:OK, I just read that article by Haidar. Serious questions:

1. WTF can't they stand and piss? Is it unIslamic?
2. What is Butwani - first I'm hearing of it.
3. What is this about men squatting and bending leg at obscene angle etc? What is it for? No. 1 or No. 2?

There are hadiths that note that the prophet of Islam always sat and pissed so Muslims must sit and piss.

Have you ever worn a tight ankle length skirt (or an Arab male dress - wotsitcalled?) and tried squatting for a crap or a pee? I am talking about skirts that Arab men wear which Pakis copy (or copee).The dynamics work as follows: If you have to squat, you have to roll up your skit above the waist and your bum will show. So to hide your bum, you pull up one side of the dress upto your crotch, but keep the other leg extended off to one side. That leaves enough skirt loose to fall behind your bottom and hide it and yet hold it up and away from splattering piss and shit. It's all about hygiene and modesty. Islam is so hygienic and modest.

Butwani - don't know. I'm guessing it has something to do with butt

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 15 Nov 2012 16:08

Piss I thought I was fairly well informed abt ablutionary issues viz Islam but clearly I missed this all too obvious detail... Abt standing and pissing I mean.

Thanks for enlightening on the Arabian crouch. I guess this amounts to a Crouching Camel Hidden Snake scenario rather different than the Chinese dragon/tiger equivalent.

Butwani clearly needs urgent investigation. I have no doubt brfites are up (or should I say down) to the task....

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 15 Nov 2012 16:13

I'm guessing "butwani" is Pak-mawali speak for Arabic "tayammum" -- when water is not available to do tiharat (ablutions of any kind), then one can use sand/mud. This includes pre-prayer ablutions as well as washing one's arse.

The other possible meaning of 'butwani' could be the hygienic tapping of the penis with a brick or stone after urinating. Circumcised people lack foreskin, and so they have "drip issues" after peeing, where the last few drops can cling to the penis and roll up one's member, or even in onto one's sack or lower clothing. So to prevent that and get the last few drops off cleanly, one uses a brick or stone. That's why in public lavatories used by hygienic momineen, one finds a lot of brick dust or broken pieces of brick lying around.