Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 27 Nov 2012 21:15

I stand corrected shiv ji. Yes how did I forget that acts of terrorism can never be justified nor can be attributed to what personal axe he had to grind. It is naive of me to think this is a simple thing as what I said. One moment had I thought about the lives lost in 26/11, it would have been clear to me, he is a man thoroughly inbred lacking conscience.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Nov 2012 21:57

Instead of religious factions think regional ethnicity. TTP is Pakhtun FATA based wahabandi while LeT is Pakjabi Ahle Hadis..

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 27 Nov 2012 22:02

A_Rai wrote:Brit MP and ex-defence minister wants 'neutron bomb' exploded in Pak border

You mean he wants to bomb Bradford?

member_23658 · Post by **member_23658** » 27 Nov 2012 22:08

SSridhar wrote:AoA, as expected.

TTP accepts responsibility for attack bid on Hamid Mir

Indulge this newbie his conspiracy theory : it could well be a ploy to make Hamid Mir look like anti-TTP when infact he is with them. He was caught red handed in a taped phone conversation talking to the TTP feeding them info that Khalid Khwaja, an ex Army intelligence guy kidnapped by the taliban, should be killed. Its very unlikely Hamid would have done that if he was with the ISI. It always amazed me that inspite of such a overwhelming evidence of conspiring against the paki army, he survived and thrived in the media.

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 27 Nov 2012 23:31

One simple pooch.. Do we have any Neutron bomb ? why waste much money protecting and abusing porkiland and porki occupied cashmere?

negi · Post by **negi** » 27 Nov 2012 23:41

^ We have better ideas; 'death by dossiers'.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 27 Nov 2012 23:42

SS and others

Hamid Mir in a recent program called TTP people cowards by name for attacking that girl (Malala). He also said he knows the real identity of TTP people like Ihsanullah Ihsan and can reveal them if he chooses to. He added that he knows who (specific people) in TSPA/ISI control which groups and can reveal it all.

I'm assuming this 'bomb' is a warning to Mir to shut his trap. If they wanted him dead, he'd be eating dirt by now.

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 28 Nov 2012 00:53

venug wrote:SS ji, is it possible that Saeed's blood thirst for revenge is also the reason that some what drives his life's purpose? somewhere I read that he claims that he lost many relatives to hindus during the partition bloodshed.

Venujee,
You are entering the realm of the WKK. You need to pull yourself back maan... As Shiv mentioned, if HS could have sent his father to do jihad in Kashmir and if he had died, he would have promptly married his mother. And he would still be seen as a herrow by the people. Ju see, he is just being a good son

-M

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 28 Nov 2012 01:00

TTP, ISI/TSPA and LeT, etc. may vie with one another for supremacy, but they will not completely annihilate one another as some may hope. Eventually, the "game" (against kafirs) itself will become more "pure". Eventually Islamism externalizes everything. Internal schisms carry on only so long as there is something to fight over. In that sense, Islamism devours nations first, and thrives on chaos. In the race to the bottom for purity, Paki economy and polity has been screwed. At a limiting point, the internal fighting will cease and be directed outward. Instead of the current mafia-game being run by the ISI/TSPA, we may see a new decade or two of protracted jihad against India and others. The centralizing charismatic group/personality may emerge elsewhere in the Arab/Turk countries, not TSP itself. I would prepare for a new push for all-out jihad using the surplus unemployed youthful demographic - with even greater ambition and sincerity than the current mafia-game of the ISI/TSPA.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 28 Nov 2012 02:29

I'm actually more worried about what will happen in the near-to-medium term.

There is open competition between the Ahl-e-Hadees LeT and the Wahhabandi TTP to control the jihadi mindshare of Pakistan. The "swing voters (potential recruits)" are primarily the Pakjabi jihadis, who have been the primary foot soldiers of anti-India jihad in J&K and elsewhere, since the 1990s. The competition between the two groups is fought on the basis of "which is the bigger/stronger/purer Kabila?"

So far the TTP side is winning on this issue because they've been actively fighting the West in Afghanistan. Wahhabandis have actually been involved in almost no major attacks in India since the Parliament attack of Dec 2001. Before that they dominated anti-India jihad... IC814 etc... but since then they have been relatively quiet on the Hunood front, and vigorously active on the Afghan/US front. That gives them superior kabila status among the Pakjabis, with the result that many Pakjabis went over to them from LeT and are still doing so.

Meanwhile LeT has not been fighting the West in Afghanistan, and has not enjoyed a great deal of spectacular success against India either... with the sole exception, in recent years, of 26/11/2008. That is the one publicity blitz that has ensured LeT remains a contender in the kabila image battle. Against the Hunood they are still #1; so they still retain some mindshare among Paki jihadis.

The day after we hanged Kasab, TTP announced it would "avenge" his death. It's clear what is happening here. The TTP & associated Wahhabandis want to steal the thunder of Hafeez Suar's last claim to fame. They want to establish themselves as top Kabila, not only against Afghanistan/US but against India as well, by upstaging the glorious 26/11 shahadat with an even more devastating terrorist attack. A deadly success against India, claiming a large price in lives and property, will be the coup-de-grace that the Wahhabandis/TTP need to displace LeT into secondary status across the board.

The TSPA/ISI dread the day when LeT and TTP/Wahhabandis start slugging it out in open conflict in the cities and villages of Pakistan. They will also try their best to shape the competition between these two groups into the form of a Yindoo-killing contest.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 28 Nov 2012 02:32

More than the religious angle I think the money angle is what picks winners and losers among pakibarians. Pakistan's dekhonomoney means that sarkari yahoos don't get as much money as before (they do get money from donations and sale of animal skins. I am talking about TFTA funding). OTOH Iran and Saudis playing proxies have infused cash to groups active in Afghanistan and FATA.

religious ideologies not withstanding, it depends on Pakjabis as to whether they can identify common cause with all the yahoos to attack India. Interesting would be if sarkari yahoos and TTP start competing for money and influence.

In the medium term I think there will be some understanding and division of power. TTP controls and rules the periphery in whatever way they want (shooting schoolgirls) yahoos control Punjab by legitimizing themselves as a political party.

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 28 Nov 2012 02:46

RD Garu,

That is a scary prospect. What is the chance of Indian sleeper cells of LET kinds turning to TTP? Is there any chance of leveraging this schism to destroy the sleeper cell/network.

The other scary part is this: Yindoo killing contest between the pure and the purer, is a win win for Unkil, poodles and the jeehardies. They will only loose jeehardie canon fodder, no loss of precious leaders or citizens of west.

We have to mechanize our borders to have automatic execution of anyone trying to cross it.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 28 Nov 2012 03:46

lakshmikanth wrote:RD Garu,

That is a scary prospect. What is the chance of Indian sleeper cells of LET kinds turning to TTP? Is there any chance of leveraging this schism to destroy the sleeper cell/network.

The other scary part is this: Yindoo killing contest between the pure and the purer, is a win win for Unkil, poodles and the jeehardies. They will only loose jeehardie canon fodder, no loss of precious leaders or citizens of west.

We have to mechanize our borders to have automatic execution of anyone trying to cross it.

Lakshmikanth ji,

In fact the competition has already been playing out.

The "sleeper cells", mainly Indian Mujahideen, are mostly affiliated to Wahhabandi groups and have always been. Some of their major C&C nodes are in Azamgarh (strong Deobandi presence) and Bangladesh border (coordinated by Harkat-ul-Jihad Islami, of which the AlQ affiliated Ilyas Kashmiri is the top gun.) You will notice that SIMI/IM have conducted a number of smaller-scale terrorist attacks over the last several years: from the 2003 Mumbai blasts to the 2011 (13/7) Mumbai blasts, with many others (Bangalore, Ahmedabad, Jaipur, Pune, Varanasi etc.) along the way.

So the Wahhabandis were in fact gaining ground, slowly but surely, as the primary anti-India kabila as well. Not directly through Taliban attacks, but through the sleeper cells, with guidance and support from ISI and possibly even cooperation from LeT cadres in some cases. The financing of these sleeper cells is also very often directly from the gulf, through Wahhabandi networks that extend into Madrassas from Kerala to the Nepal border. ISI facilitates all this, but does not control it as completely they control the LeT.

What is very revealing is that the 26/11 attacks stand out as an exception: NOT being conducted by a "sleeper cell", but by LeT jihadis sailing all the way from Karachi. The LeT wanted to do something spectacular to re-establish their relevance as the principal anti-India jihadi organization, independently of the sleeper cell network that was generally Wahhabandi funded/controlled/inspired. So the "schism" has already had some repercussions. I doubt whether these repercussions can be turned around in the short/medium term to destroy the sleeper cells... in the kufr land of India, the two groups will never feel mutual hostility to the extent that they both hate the Yindoos. If the repercussions of a schism can be leveraged, it must be by inducing open conflict between the two groups within Pureland itself.

The recent article by Ayesha Siddiqa references the ostensibly Western-backed moves to "rehabilitate" Hafeez Suar and the TSPA/ISI moves to elevate his Difa-e-Pakistan populism into a mainstream political party.

I am actually wondering, now, about the $10000 price US loudly placed on Hafeez Suar's head. Maybe they were doing him a pre-meditated favour... raising his profile and cementing his "pureness" credentials for the Pakjabi public. Otherwise, his foray into electoral politics could have been seen as a "selling out" and could have been used by his Wahhabandi rivals to malign him as "not pure enough." US would like to see Hafeez Suar, JuD etc. become a stronger contender for the Paki jihadi mindshare and displace the explicitly anti-Western Wahhabandis (just as they prefer Morsi and the MB over Al-Zawahiri and Al Qaeda in Egypt.)

I also wonder if David Headley was part of the project whereby US made behind-the-scenes overtures to LeT as their preferred jihadi alternative to the Wahhabandis.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 28 Nov 2012 04:00

Rudradev wrote:
lakshmikanth wrote:RD Garu,

In fact the competition has already been playing out.

The "sleeper cells", mainly Indian Mujahideen, are mostly affiliated to Wahhabandi groups and have always been. Some of their major C&C nodes are in Azamgarh (strong Deobandi presence) and Bangladesh border (coordinated by Harkat-ul-Jihad Islami, of which the AlQ affiliated Ilyas Kashmiri is the top gun.) You will notice that SIMI/IM have conducted a number of smaller-scale terrorist attacks over the last several years: from the 2003 Mumbai blasts to the 2011 (13/7) Mumbai blasts, with many others (Bangalore, Ahmedabad, Jaipur, Pune, Varanasi etc.) along the way.

Azamgarh is secualr only. Lets keep in mind the secular SAAFMaa/ HALFMaa , ASHA TAMSHA are too connected with Azamgarhi patriots here in USA . Dont know why these BDY are lately quiet, Must be the Homeland security keeping eye on them for the very same links.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2012 06:47

Rudradev wrote:The day after we hanged Kasab, TTP announced it would "avenge" his death. It's clear what is happening here. The TTP & associated Wahhabandis want to steal the thunder of Hafeez Suar's last claim to fame. They want to establish themselves as top Kabila, not only against Afghanistan/US but against India as well, by upstaging the glorious 26/11 shahadat with an even more devastating terrorist attack. A deadly success against India, claiming a large price in lives and property, will be the coup-de-grace that the Wahhabandis/TTP need to displace LeT into secondary status across the board.

I completely agree with this line of reasoning. They may indulge in competitive killing of Indians as trophies that would attract cadres, especially in central & north Punjab. This is what I posted a couple of days back.

All of those groups (bad Taliban, TSPA, pigLeT etc) are all jostling for the same space. The 'bad Taliban' has to take control of the Punjab if they have to achieve their ambition of taking over nuclear TSP. We already know South Punjab has been within the 'bad Taliban' control for a few years now (confirmed by many including Ayesha Siddiqa'a article posted above). Taking a tough stand over a mujahid pigLeT son of Central Punjab, launching revenge attacks for him etc. would win over pigLeTs there. This is the calculation of the bad Taliban. They are quick to grasp opportunities.

India has to be extremely careful in Afghanistan because of the 'bad Taliban' announcement now. India has to be extremely careful within its borders too for revenge attacks by LeT and IM.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2012 08:50

TTP Rejects Islamabad's Amnesty - Anita Joshua in The Hindu

The Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), which has taken responsibility for numerous suicide bombings and targeted attacks across the country, has rejected the federal government’s amnesty offer and has pledged to continue with its fight till the ouster of all secular rulers of Pakistan.

On Monday, Interior Minister Rehman Malik had said that the government was ready to give a general amnesty to all banned organisations including the TTP if they renounced terrorism.

Within hours, TTP spokesman Ahsanullah Ahsan rejected the offer, adding that their fight would continue till the ouster of all secular rulers imposed by foreign forces to rule an Islamic country.

“The TTP was striving for the creation of an independent state governed by Islamic Sharia law upon which the foundations of Pakistan were laid,” The News quoted him as stating.

As the TTP made its intentions clear, Mr. Malik on Tuesday announced a reward of Rs. 200 million for information on the whereabouts of Mr. Ahsan who is regularly in contact with the media based in Peshawar.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 28 Nov 2012 09:29

^^^ Yes I mean, how dare GoP? More appropriate for GoP to consider TTP's amnesty offer when it comes.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 28 Nov 2012 10:17

Questions Concerning the Murder of Benazir Bhutto

There were so many people by now that the car was almost at a standstill. Two of Bhutto’s guards climbed onto the rear bumper while others went to the front and the sides. But an assassin was waiting and saw his chance. Wearing a dark jacket and sunglasses, a Pashtun called Bilal, who also went by the alias Saeed, first made his way towards the front of the car. Then he moved to the side, where there were fewer people. He took out a black automatic and pointed it at Bhutto’s head. One of the guards clawed at the young man’s arm but was too far away to get a firm grip. Bilal fired three shots in less than a second. If you search for ‘new angle of Bhutto assassination’ on YouTube you can see what happened. As the second shot rang out Bhutto’s headscarf or dupatta moved away from her face. She then fell like a stone, through the escape hatch, into the vehicle. But the gunman wasn’t finished. He looked down at the ground, prepared himself for death, and set off his suicide bomb. Much of the press reported him as clean-shaven. In fact, he had probably never shaved at all. British scientists who later analysed what was left of his body estimated his age at 15 and a half.

Pakistan’s suicide bomb factories, located in the tribal areas, rely on child recruits for a practical reason: they are more impressionable. Recruits for suicide attacks are given immaculate white clothes, copious amounts of food, above average accommodation and hours of gently imparted one on one indoctrination. The other students are forbidden to talk to them and are instructed instead to bow with respect every time a recruit walks by. With such a regime it can take a few months to persuade an 18-year-old young man to mount a suicide attack; but a 15-year-old can be persuaded to do it in six weeks.

The Pakistani police rarely know whether their political masters want an investigation to be thorough or not. As a general rule they assume the politicians are hoping for a cover-up and actively investigate only when specifically ordered to do so. That would explain why the JIT Karachi report is such a remarkably poor piece of work: 138 pages long, it contains virtually no useful facts and plenty of contradictions. Page after page of police reporting from the scene establishes only that some vehicles were destroyed and that a lot of body parts were strewn about. Some of these were gathered and sent to the morgue while others (no explanation isgiven as to why) went to a DNA specialist, who concluded that the parts he had were from different people. The finding had no discernible significance. Basic, easily discoverable facts were not gathered. The various police documents give the time gap between the first and second explosions as between 30 and 50 seconds (Inspector General of the CID); under a minute (the Federal Investigation Agency); one minute exactly (an army explosives expert); and between one and two minutes (the bomb disposal unit travelling with the convoy). Some of the documents in the JIT report – presumably those from the intelligence agencies – are unattributed. Others, such as doctors’ handwritten notes on the death of a few, apparently randomly selected victims, are irrelevant. Indeed, the whole report has only two findings of any significance.

The first sign that the state would not be making any effort to establish the facts came within two hours of the assassination, when fire engines were called in to wash down the crime scene. The deputy inspector general of the Rawalpindi police, Saud Aziz, who ordered the clean-up, has claimed police officers at the bomb scene told him the atmosphere had became so hysterical that her supporters were daubing themselves in Bhutto’s blood. Fearing a total breakdown of law and order, he called in high-pressure hoses. Anyone familiar with Pakistan’s political realities will find this account unconvincing. No mid-ranking or even senior police offer would take such a decision on his own initiative. It came as no surprise that two anonymous sources told the UN inquiry that Saud Aziz received a call from a senior army officer ordering him to wash down the crime scene. The car in which Bhutto died was also cleaned even though the police had secured it.

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Nov 2012 10:39

The deputy inspector general of the Rawalpindi police, Saud Aziz, who ordered the clean-up, has claimed police officers at the bomb scene told him the atmosphere had became so hysterical that her supporters were daubing themselves in Bhutto’s blood

Truely a textbook definition of a demented nation populated by demented folks

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 28 Nov 2012 11:23

Hamid Mir recently interviewed Ahmedinejad in his show Capital Talk (Nov 22) that was telecasted on the same day.
Hamid Mir's questions in English were translated in Urdu for audience.
Ahmedinejad's responses in Farsi were translated in Urdu.
But mid way of the program the translations for ahmedinejad's responses was stopped. Someone didn't want his responses to be aired to pukis on a show like Capital talk.

Questions, IMO, were quite relevent based on the current affiairs:
- Palestine situation, role of Hamas
- Shia /Sunni situation in pukistan and what message he has
- Role of Iran and Pukistan in Afghan situation
- Situation in Syria
- Threat of Israeli attack on Iran
- US presence in afghanistan
- US exit from afghanistan
- Drone attacks
- message for pukis
etc
no mention of India anywhere AFAIK.
Would be nice if translations are provided for the entire interview.

here is a report from puki media:
Ahmadinejad for Pak-Iran-Afghan Ulema meeting to defeat terrorism

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 28 Nov 2012 11:33

Probably where Hamid Mir crossed the red line is on Drone attacks, where the Iranians have constantly needled the Pakis saying they are not incompetent like the PA and PAF to tolerate these slow drones violating thier territory.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 28 Nov 2012 12:08

Drone question came much later. I think it is his reponse against the Jews/Israel on ~~Jew TV~~ Geo TV denouncing them as today's cruel and depraved Yazid and calling america as regional security threat may have done the trick.

the other benign possibility is/was when he commented that Profit was neither a Shia nor Sunni

but a true muslim.

partha · Post by **partha** » 28 Nov 2012 12:55

A cleverly written article by an Army hack -

http://tribune.com.pk/story/471715/why- ... angladesh/

Why Pakistan should apologise to Bangladesh

Don't get fooled by the title.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 28 Nov 2012 13:28

Article summary is that Pakistan army should apologize for being awesome and then apologize some more for not being as awesome as they could be.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 28 Nov 2012 17:01

Satya_anveshi wrote: here is a report from puki media:
Ahmadinejad for Pak-Iran-Afghan Ulema meeting to defeat terrorism

Bit like a bunch of drunkards getting together to end alcoholism...over a few beers..

BTW the Shia ones are not ulema they are cutlet...

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 28 Nov 2012 17:11

Giving a solution to promote sectarian harmony, he categorically stated that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was neither Sunni not Shia, but a Muslim. “So, if today every Muslim becomes united under this one point, there will be no strife or sectarian problem,” he maintained

Mullahs,

Why Saw why not pbuh? If he skipped that, is he cutlet?

Also, do they have to go that far back to find a Muslim that is neither Shia nor Sunni? So there is only one person who is such?!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Nov 2012 17:20

Karnataka is another hub. Profiling by sarkar shows rage boys are not the problem but techies and quiet types are a concern.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 28 Nov 2012 17:40

SSridhar wrote: India has to be extremely careful in Afghanistan because of the 'bad Taliban' announcement now. India has to be extremely careful within its borders too for revenge attacks by LeT and IM.

Wonder if one of the beneficial side effects of kaangress not only keeping quiet but actively using dynastic butt hole licking scums to blame others and spin conspiracy theories makes Indian lives completely worthless as trophies...it is as good as shooting stool pigeons...

The real trophy is capturing a few white scalps.....

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 28 Nov 2012 21:00

SDRE scalps don't get as much global CNN coverage as bona fide WASP scalps

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 28 Nov 2012 21:51

Anujan wrote:Article summary is that Pakistan army should apologize for being awesome and then apologize some more for not being as awesome as they could be.

To quote the author...

As a Pakistani, I feel no shame in suggesting that we must apologise to Bangladesh but before we do that we must first as a state apologise to the people and the land we used to refer to as East Pakistan. An apology to them is due on two accounts. The first is that we showed wilful intent to keep the eastern wing militarily exposed, defenceless and vulnerable to India, courtesy our military strategy which was based on the reasoning that the battle of the east will be won in the west. The second has to do with the shameful manner in which the eastern wing was neglected when it was part of Pakistan.

Lahori Logic. So Bangladeshis wanted to separate because they were insecure due to the absence of Pakjabi Army protecting them from yindoos.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 28 Nov 2012 22:53

Satya_anveshi wrote:Hamid Mir recently interviewed Ahmedinejad in his show Capital Talk (Nov 22) that was telecasted on the same day.
Hamid Mir's questions in English were translated in Urdu for audience.
Ahmedinejad's responses in Farsi were translated in Urdu.
But mid way of the program the translations for ahmedinejad's responses was stopped. Someone didn't want his responses to be aired to pukis on a show like Capital talk.

...Would be nice if translations are provided for the entire interview.

Where can I watch the interview?

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 28 Nov 2012 23:21

^^ on youtube, you can search for Hamir Mir and Ahmedinejad to find the interview (I think in 3 parts).

or you could see here

I generally prefer youtube links over puki sites.

partha · Post by **partha** » 28 Nov 2012 23:58

Anujan wrote:Article summary is that Pakistan army should apologize for being awesome and then apologize some more for not being as awesome as they could be.

Two (Lahori) logical arguments stand out -

Pakistan should apologize to Bangladesh but before that can happen, Pakistan should apologize to East Pakistan but before that can happen Bangladesh should apologize to Pakistan.

Bengalis felt vulnerable because of India hence they took revenge on Pakistanis hence Pakistan committed genocide.

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 29 Nov 2012 00:05

^^^
According to Bakis, Hindus are to blame for Bangladesh, and Cashmere and Bakistan. Baki Army is 100% Puuuuure halal sactioned by Allah to be Jeehardi Fistullah

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 29 Nov 2012 03:01

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2012/20121129/punjab.htm#1

Defying threat, Sikhs take out nagar kirtan in Pak
Tribune News Service

Amritsar, November 28
With tight security arrangements in place at Nankana Sahib, thousands of Sikh pilgrims from different countries today took out a nagar kirtan at the birth place of Guru Nanak Dev to mark his birth anniversary after a gap of over five years.

The development came despite the fact that the Taliban had threatened to target Indians in the aftermath of 26/11 perpetrator Ajmal Kasab's hanging.

Talking to The Tribune over the phone from Pakistan, Bishen Singh, former president, Pakistan Sikh Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (PSGPC), said around 15,000 Sikh pilgrims from Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, Malaysia, Dubai and the US participated in the nagar kirtan which started from Gurdwara Janam Asthan at 1 pm and culminated at Gurdwara Tambu Sahib around 4 pm.

He said it was after a gap of five years that the Sikhs could take out the nagar kirtan to mark the pious occasion. He praised the Pakistan government and the local administration for facilitating the smooth conduct of the programme.

He said the administration took various measures to extend safety to the pilgrims. "The shops in the area were shut while policemen could be seen keeping surveillance on the rooftops. Even the Muslim population came forward to greet the nagar kirtan which took place in a congenial atmosphere," he said.

Bishen Singh said langars had been organised by various religious groups and the pilgrims did not face any problem. He said there would be "shabad kirtan" at midnight followed by "ardaas" at the Nankana Sahib to mark the occasion. He said they had been unable to celebrate the day on such scale in the last five years due to security concerns. "The atmosphere is such that due to terrorist activities even the timings and the routes for Moharram processions have been curtailed," he added.

American Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (AGPC) coordinator Dr Pritpal Singh said the religious procession was voluntarily stopped following threats from the Taliban a few years ago, but the Sikhs this time decided to take out the procession as the Pakistani Punjab government had made elaborate security arrangements.

Earlier, the "bhog" ceremony of the "akhand path" was organised at the Nankana Sahib Gurdwara. Later, various Sikh leaders, including Dr Pritpal, Avtar Singh Sangha of the Kar Sewa Society, UK, SGPC Jatha leader Jang Bahadur Singh and PSGPC president Sham Singh, addressed the gathering and spoke on various issues being faced by the community.

Dr Pritpal and other Sikh leaders are likely to meet Pakistani Punjab Chief Minister Mohammad Shahbaz Sharif and Pakistani Prime Minister Raja Pervaiz Ashraf and President Asif Ali Zardari over the next couple of days to deliberate on various Sikh issues with them.

gurpurab celebrations

* Massive gathering: Around 15,000 pilgrims from countries like India, US, Dubai, Malaysia etc participated

* The concern: The Taliban had threatened to target Indians in the aftermath of 26/11 perpetrator Ajmal Kasab's hanging

* Tight security: The Pakistan Punjab government makes elaborate security arrangements for facilitating the smooth conduct of the programme

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Nov 2012 04:43

Taliban threaten to avenge Kasab's death within a month - ToI

"We will avenge the death of Ajmal Kasab on Indian soil within a month,'' Ahmed Marwat, a spokesman for Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan's Jundullah group told the TOI from an undisclosed location on Wednesday. "His death will not go waste. (Our) group has a number of fighters in Amritsar and Hyderabad Deccan, who will soon take revenge of Ajmal Kasab. With the death of one Kasab, scores of his other comrades are ready for martyrdom.''

Marwat spoke in what seemed like Pashto language's tribal accent spoken in Pakistan's tribal northwest bordering Afghanistan. The region has long been an al-Qaida and Taliban safe haven. The fresh threat comes days after another Taliban faction threatened to avenge Kasab's hanging by "striking Indian targets anywhere".

There is a spelling mistake in the name of the terrorist organization in the above report. It must be Jandullah and not Jundullah. The latter group operates out of Balochistan attacking Iran.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 29 Nov 2012 06:51

Yeah what if this leads to a bomb blast in the holy of holies?

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 29 Nov 2012 07:22

Aman Ki Asha strategic seminar in Delhi to discuss Sir Creek, Siachen

Through its closed door AKA Strategic Seminar series followed by public interactions Aman ki Asha has also been taking up contentious issues that have been the cause of much of the hostility between these two countries. The third in this series is the forthcoming two-day seminar, to take place on December 2-3, 2012 in New Delhi.

Agenda items include "Finding Solutions to the contentious issues. Focussed discussion on the relatively low hanging fruits of Sir Creek, Siachen and related issue", "Kashmir, Terrorism and related issues. The right time to start a dialogue and develop a road map", and "Indo Pak relations, Summary, way forward".

Delegates from both countries discussing these disputes and proposing solution include diplomats, senior journalists and civil society leaders and people with military backgrounds.

From Pakistan, the expected delegates include Gen Mahmud Durrani, Admiral Hassan Ansari, Ali Habib, Khaqan Abbasi, Kamran Khan, Najam Sethi, Ejaz Haider, Amb Aziz A. Khan, and Amb. Shahid Malik. Indian delegates are expected to include Vice Admiral Rao, Radha Kumar, Vikas Singh, Lt Gen Pawar, Srinath Raghavan, Shyam Saran, Naresh Chandra, and Raja Mohan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Nov 2012 08:48

Charlie wrote:Aman Ki Asha strategic seminar in Delhi to discuss Sir Creek, Siachen
Indian delegates are expected to include . . . Radha Kumar, . . .

Ahh

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 29 Nov 2012 08:56

Of course Shitistani's consider Siachen a low hanging fruit. Now when is the Pappi Jhappi loving /IQ challenged crowd going to pluck and deliver it?