Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

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SSridhar wrote:Shinde's Retort on Visa
Asked why he gave visa to Miandad, Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde shot back "I have not given visa. My officer or my mission must have given".
Wow ! Brilliant.


Yeah I wonder if I can say that his progeny are not his children, as he "must not have given", his d*ck "must have given"?

Our brazen political elite are something else.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

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sum wrote:These are the people passing off as "analysts" these days:
Miandad visa episode is a pointer to India’s Pak strategy
And, this guy is an analyst with IDSA ? He says,
I want to diversify to Bollywood as a story writer. I am confident that I can make a mark as my Hindi and English are excellent and I have a way of saying things differently.
No wonder he wrote like that.
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He says, among other things,
India not only has to be reasonably engaged with Pakistan diplomatically but also seen to be doing so before the international community for the larger cause of international peace.
BS of the highest order. No country keeps its interests above the mythical 'larger cause'. Why is it that only when it comes to India, every one uses such meaningless terms as 'big brother', 'generous', 'larger cause' etc ?
India has shown that it is capable of practising mature diplomacy with Pakistan even in the face of pinpricks from a visiting Pakistani Interior Minister
Who needs this bl**dy certificate ? And from whom and for what purpose ? The next time the US gives massive amounts of money & military hardware to Pakistan we can question it on the basis of this certificate ?
Hawks may question the Indian generosity in the Miandad episode
How do sensible questions become 'hawkish' and on what yardstick ?
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RAW does not need to interrogate Miandad to find out where his relative lives. He lives in various addresses and safe houses, under ISI protection, and he is living in plain sight, running his criminal empire.
The bhai is an important track II entity in himself.
He handles our netas hawala transfers into their swiss accounts, he handles several of ISI's Indian ops by providing the all important local element.
The guy has his fingers almost everywhere.
The guy is untouchable not because his location is unknown, but because our netas are his business partners.
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WRT Miandad,
If everyone thought that Rehman Malik is an idiot who displays his pakistaniyat, people haven't seen D's samdhi speak.
The guy is an out and out galli ka lafanga, potty mouthed inthe extreme.
If people recall his numerous India visits as a player and then as a coach and otherwise, he has created controversy each time he visits by his vocal farts.
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I suspect that 'aman ki asha' being run out of the PMO and Madam's joint offices, this case was referred to them by Shinde for due disposal. There is a political minefield in Nai Dilli that babus and netas have to negotiate when living under the dynasty's tutelage. Whims and fancies are known to change suddenly and a 'new' neta like Shinde would probably play it safe.

Congress is not a democratic organization at the very top.
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Whims and fancies are known to change suddenly and a 'new' neta like Shinde would probably play it safe.
Gagan-ji, this is the same HM who said while taking oath:
Shinde thanked Singh and Gandhi for giving him the responsibility of home ministry, saying after Buta Singh, who was home minister in early 1980s, he has become the second Dalit to hold the key post.

He said Rajiv Gandhi had given the responsibility of home ministry to Buta Singh and now Sonia Gandhi and Manmohan Singh gave him the task.

"The Gandhi family has always taken care of the welfare of backward castes. Dalits can also take bigger responsibility. "
So can pretty much join the dots that the only reason he is there is because of the need to allow MMS and Madam-ji to run roughshed over the TSP policy

GP did mention on TV 2 days back that no way in hell would have Miandad been given a Visa if Chidu was still HM. The day Shinde took over, the TSP policy also changed 180 degrees.
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Karachi is burning as usual. Bomb blast and firing...so far 2 met their 72.
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Yawn is reporting in pissawar health workers have refused to participate in polio drive.
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SSridhar, thanks for the reply.
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sum wrote:These are the people passing off as "analysts" these days:
Miandad visa episode is a pointer to India’s Pak strategy
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Herein lie answers to the questions that I first raised. India not only has to be reasonably engaged with Pakistan diplomatically but also seen to be doing so before the international community for the larger cause of international peace. India’s large heartedness cannot go unnoticed by the international community because

:rotfl: :roll: :roll:
Bascially, keep showing every cheek there to look good in front of Unkil, our own interests be screwed.
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Who are deciding international equations here. Those who bite away at national interests under excuses of International diplomacy should be taken to courts for that itself reduces outlook of national interests within India by breaking it down to individual/entity levels. Who has given rights to whom all to do this?

India's large heartedness cannot go unnoticed - does it even noticed in bakistan where some official accused Indian medicines? Where is the guarantee that India's "large heartedness" - as per bakistani conditions - and who controls such so-called effects?
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Bruce Riedel says US and India should be vigilant about Pakistan in 2013, when many changes in Pakistan are coming. (Which will shovel pakistaniyat in the direction of India)

http://www.brookings.edu/research/opini ... tan-riedel
The changes in Pakistan are unlikely to come peacefully and will have major implications for India and America. The stakes are huge in the most dangerous country in the world.....One measure of Pakistan's instability is that the country now has between 300 and 500 private security firms, employing 3,00,000 armed guards, most run by ex-generals {They have solved the unemployment crisis :mrgreen: }....Two-thirds of 185 million Pakistanis are under 30, and 40 million of the 70 million 5 to 19 years old are not in school. The youth bulge has yet to spike. Less than one million Pakistanis paid taxes last year. Most politicians don't pay any taxes. Power blackouts are endemic. Clean water is increasingly scarce even as catastrophic floods are more common. Growth is 3%, too little to keep up with population demand.
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The demographic situation offers yet another reason for leaving TSP to its fate...the youth better spend their time distilling ever purer versions of Islam instead of pursuing kufr passions like money and business..By the time that generation is gone and ages, oil era would be over, drying up funds from Barbaria and India would be ten times bigger.
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Let's have a dialogue with TTP because they can strike us at will
The strength of militants has increased so alarmingly that now, they can reach anywhere they want to carry out their activities, said provincial information minister Mian Iftikhar Hussain on Friday.

“The time has come to take the final decision on whether to hold dialogue with militants or to begin a meaningful operation against them,” the minister told the provincial assembly on a point of order about the recent acts of militancy, especially the killing of seven aid workers, including six women, in Swabi.

Mr Hussain said a lot had been spoken in condemnation of militant attacks and therefore, it was direly needed to take militancy to its logical end.

He said there were two options with the government either to hold dialogue with militants and if it was not possible, then the second option was intensive operation against them.

The minister said all political parties and security agencies should get together to make an effective strategy before the government held dialogue with militants or went for operation against them.

He said former prime minister and Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz chief Nawaz Sharif had favoured the stand of ANP chief Asfandyar Wali Khan, who pushed the country’s political leadership for taking decisive steps against militancy.

He urged the leadership of other political groups to come forward for ending the evil of militancy forever.

Mr Hussain said militancy had increased in the province so dangerously that all other issues had become non-issues.

He said assassination of vaccinators and aid workers in the province, assault on Bacha Khan International Airport, assassination of minister Bashir Bilour and the kidnapping and subsequent killing of Levies personnel in a short span of time showed how strong militants had grown.
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Miandad Unlikely to Visit India - DAWN
Former Pakistan captain and now a key official of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Javed Miandad is unlikely to go to India to watch the last ODI between Pakistan and India in Delhi on Sunday.

Miandad was to leave for India on Saturday, but soon after the report of issuance of visa to him by the Indian High Commission in Islamabad, a strong reaction from the Indian media and section of public erupted, forcing Miandad to reconsider his decision.

“I am waiting for permission from PCB chairman Zaka Ashraf, which I am expecting to get some time late on Friday night. I will then take a decision whether to go to India or not,” Miandad told Dawn.

He said, in fact, the propaganda in India against his visit had done nothing in forcing him to reconsider the decision, but actually heavy workload in PCB offices and an upcoming meeting of the Asian Cricket Council on Jan 9 are keeping him busy.

He said India had also given him visa to watch the World Cup semi-final in 2011 but he could not go because of heavy workload.

He dispelled the impression that his relationship with Dawood Ibrahim was creating problem for him in visiting India, adding that all close relatives of Dawood were living in India.

He alleged that some sections of the Indian press, after losing the ODI series, wanted to settle the score by hitting his visit to India.

He said the Indian High Commission has also issued him visa for Ajmer Sharif and if he goes to India, he would definitely visit the holy city.
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India & Pakistan Unite to Bowl Out Polio
Ack thoo. .
In an innovative move towards polio eradication, the Indian and Pakistan cricket teams, though fierce rivals on the field, will be united in their mission to “bowl out polio” when they clash for the third One-Day International in New Delhi on Sunday.

“We need to ensure a world free of polio paralysis for children. We need to win against polio, to ‘Bowl Out Polio’,” said Pakistani cricket stars Yonous Khan and Imran Farhat, who on Saturday administered polio drops to children in New Delhi :rotfl: and joined the appeal for eradication of the debilitating disease.
Image - The Hindu
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Anujan wrote:Bruce Riedel says US and India should be vigilant about Pakistan in 2013, when many changes in Pakistan are coming. (Which will shovel pakistaniyat in the direction of India)

http://www.brookings.edu/research/opini ... tan-riedel
The changes in Pakistan are unlikely to come peacefully and will have major implications for India and America. The stakes are huge in the most dangerous country in the world.....One measure of Pakistan's instability is that the country now has between 300 and 500 private security firms, employing 3,00,000 armed guards, most run by ex-generals {They have solved the unemployment crisis :mrgreen: }....Two-thirds of 185 million Pakistanis are under 30, and 40 million of the 70 million 5 to 19 years old are not in school. The youth bulge has yet to spike. Less than one million Pakistanis paid taxes last year. Most politicians don't pay any taxes. Power blackouts are endemic. Clean water is increasingly scarce even as catastrophic floods are more common. Growth is 3%, too little to keep up with population demand.
No worry. Allah will look after Pakistan. Young BRFites will not remember that in 1965 during the war when the Indian kafirs attacked innocent Pakpisstan green djinns appeared and rescued them.

Pakistan has survived. That is a defeat for India. So there.
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pakistan players are perhaps much safer giving polio drops here than in their own homeland . would be hard to find volunteers for that over there :)
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SSridhar wrote:He said, in fact, the propaganda in India against his visit had done nothing in forcing him to reconsider the decision, but actually heavy workload in PCB offices and an upcoming meeting of the Asian Cricket Council on Jan 9 are keeping him busy.
Lets analyze this statement. If this PoS was so busy with his current work load, why did he actually for a visa to watch the ODI? If he did not, then did the GoI on its own offer him a visa? Something smells and its just not just the unwashed paki.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

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Can the visa to Miandad, be considered an act of chanikian brilliance.
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The corrupt in India and Pakistan use the same hawala route, D-Company runs bollywood, etc. GoI and PA have a really cozy relationship.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

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Singha wrote:pakistan players are perhaps much safer giving polio drops here than in their own homeland . would be hard to find volunteers for that over there :)
Polio is not a problem in India. Such pictures mean nothing other than riding on decades of hardwork by Indians to eradicate polio in India. Should be very careful of this polio talk by bakis when there is no polio epidemic in India.

All pukis can do is puke on others and then blackmail others to stop puking on others.
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Administration of polio vaccine at home would lead to the drop in their team strength.
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SSridhar wrote:India & Pakistan Unite to Bowl Out Polio
Ack thoo. .
Yet another instance of TSP piskology on display: the obsessive desire to conquer us SDRE Kafirs. Of course, such rubbish would be dismissed with contempt in any other self respecting country by asking the mofos to first go and administer vaccine in their country, but our shameless eunuch elite and their followers actually celebrate this condescension.
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SSridhar wrote:India & Pakistan Unite to Bowl Out Polio
Ack thoo. .
“We need to ensure a world free of polio paralysis for children. We need to win against polio, to ‘Bowl Out Polio’,” said Pakistani cricket stars Yonous Khan and Imran Farhat, who on Saturday administered polio drops to children in New Delhi :rotfl: and joined the appeal for eradication of the debilitating disease.
Just like how RAPEs safely organize protest marches in New York against blasphemy laws, Shia genocide, Ahmedi persecution :rotfl:
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Anujan wrote:Bruce Riedel says US and India should be vigilant about Pakistan in 2013, when many changes in Pakistan are coming. (Which will shovel pakistaniyat in the direction of India)

http://www.brookings.edu/research/opini ... tan-riedel
The changes in Pakistan are unlikely to come peacefully and will have major implications for India and America. The stakes are huge in the most dangerous country in the world.....One measure of Pakistan's instability is that the country now has between 300 and 500 private security firms, employing 3,00,000 armed guards, most run by ex-generals {They have solved the unemployment crisis :mrgreen: }....Two-thirds of 185 million Pakistanis are under 30, and 40 million of the 70 million 5 to 19 years old are not in school. The youth bulge has yet to spike. Less than one million Pakistanis paid taxes last year. Most politicians don't pay any taxes. Power blackouts are endemic. Clean water is increasingly scarce even as catastrophic floods are more common. Growth is 3%, too little to keep up with population demand.

So ex-generals have become pehredaars!! Its but natural for kabila guards to continue the bad work even when out of uniform and in shalwars.
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From Bruce Riedel's article
http://www.brookings.edu/research/opini ... tan-riedel
The incumbent General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani was given an unprecedented three-year extension in 2010. He is the epitome of the Pakistani officer corps and the so-called 'deep state'. Pervez Musharraf made him Director General of the ISI in 2004. It was on his watch that the Afghan Taliban recovered and regrouped in Quetta, Osama bin Laden built his hideout 800 yards outside Kayani's alma mater the Kakul Military Academy in Abbottabad in 2005, and planning began for the Lashkar-e-Taiba attack on Mumbai. He was DG/ISI when David Headley, the American serving life for his role in the 2008 attack, began his reconnaissance trips to Mumbai to prepare the way for 26/11. Kayani probably authorized the funds for Headley's cover and travel. He is the first DG/ISI to become COAS. His term expires in September, 2013.
So much common gyan but the end result is zilch X-(
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New chief of Pak Taliban faction fought Indian troops in J-K
Bahawal Khan, the new chief of a Taliban faction in Pakistan's South Waziristan region after the killing of Mullah Nazir in a US drone strike, is a militant who fought Indian troops in Jammu and Kashmir.

Khan was named the head of the faction shortly after Nazir and 12 other militants were killed in the drone strike in Angoor Adda area on Thursday.

He fought as a militant in Jammu and Kashmir, sources were quoted as saying in Pakistani media reports.

A member of the Kakakhel sub-tribe of the Ahmedzai Wazirs, Khan is an illiterate former bus driver.

The 34-year-old father of two also ran a hotel. He fought alongside the Afghan Taliban before the 9/11 terror attacks.

Khan, who is also known as Salahuddin Ayubi, was chosen by the 'Shura' (council) of the Mullah Nazir group and elders of the Ahmedzai Wazir tribe.
But the interesting part:
US intelligence officials told The Long War Journal, a website that closely tracks the war on terror, that Khan is closely allied with Al Qaeda, the Afghan Taliban and a plethora of terrorist groups in the area.

"Little will change with Khan's appointment to lead Nazir's faction of the Taliban," one unnamed US official said.

"It will be business as usual, and we'll continue to have to take shots at Al Qaeda leaders and others in the Wazir areas" of South Waziristan, the official said.
The US intelligence officials denied reports that the Pakistani military and government aided in the drone strike against Nazir.

They said the Pakistanis were "upset over the killing".

"These reports (that Pakistan aided in Nazir's death) are preposterous," said one official involved in targeting Al Qaeda and other terrorist leaders in Pakistan.

"Nazir was an asset to and a tool of the Pakistani state," the official said.
"If the Pakistanis wanted to remove Nazir from the playing field, they could have easily done so," another intelligence official said. There is an army garrison in Wana, the main town of South Waziristan where Nazir operated, the official said.


"The Pakistanis are piqued that we've killed Nazir," another official said. "We just knocked off a good Taliban, or to them, perhaps the best Taliban." :twisted: :twisted:
Seems to be a Amriki size 13 on the mush of TSPA
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I think the TSPA got uncle to bump off Nazir mian to show good faith to Hakimullah Mehsud of TTP.

And the unnamed official is thinking he got one better on TSPA. What is to be knocked off are the bad Taliban ie those who belong ot Quetta Shura and Haqqani who are the real TSPA snakes.
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Pak’s former cricketers cash in on series
The current crop of Pakistani cricketers may have missed out on a few seasons’ worth of IPL earnings, but the ongoing India-Pakistan series has given some of the former cricketers from across the border an opportunity to rake in big bucks as commentators and experts on Indian television.

Pakistani cricketers Imran Khan, Waqar Younis, Inzamam-ul-Haq, Shoaib Akhtar and Aaqib Javed, among others, are pocketing Rs 10 lakh-20 lakh each for making half-hour appearances as panelists on TV discussions during the T20 and ongoing ODI series. For each half-hour slot during the five matches of the series, the former cricketers are earning Rs 2 lakh-4 lakh.{Ack Thoo} :evil:

While India is a large market for cricket-based advertising, there is also a thriving cricket analysis and discussion industry. “Most news channels these days have their in-house experts to deliberate on the games. And the demand for such experts is so high that most channels sign exclusive contracts with them, which means they cannot appear on a rival network for the period of contract,” says Jeet Banerjee, director, Gameplan Sports Pvt Ltd, a sports marketing agency that represents many cricketers.

Industry sources say most leading Hindi news channels spend over Rs 1 crore per year for their exclusive set of cricket analysts. English channels and networks that have over two news channels spend around Rs 3-4 crore a year on such contracts. “Cricket is a major news-making event in our country. Therefore, we make sure we cover it in its entire width and depth,” says the sports editor of a leading news channel.
Pathetic DDM helping the TSP-ians earn more and more moolah.

Disgusting to see each TV channel having 3-4 TSP-ians and 1 Indian in their discussion panels. Seems as if it is a Paki channel instead of a Indian one.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/06/world ... .html?_r=0
The Obama administration is considering keeping a force of 3,000 to 9,000 troops in Afghanistan after 2014, American officials said Saturday.
So US is definitely out of the region by 2014. Not sure if anyone in India has woken up to the consequences.
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sum wrote:New chief of Pak Taliban faction fought Indian troops in J-K
The US intelligence officials denied reports that the Pakistani military and government aided in the drone strike against Nazir.

They said the Pakistanis were "upset over the killing".

"These reports (that Pakistan aided in Nazir's death) are preposterous," said one official involved in targeting Al Qaeda and other terrorist leaders in Pakistan.

"Nazir was an asset to and a tool of the Pakistani state," the official said. "If the Pakistanis wanted to remove Nazir from the playing field, they could have easily done so," another intelligence official said. There is an army garrison in Wana, the main town of South Waziristan where Nazir operated, the official said.


"The Pakistanis are piqued that we've killed Nazir," another official said. "We just knocked off a good Taliban, or to them, perhaps the best Taliban."
Seems to be a Amriki size 13 on the mush of TSPA
sum, I do not believe that it was a Size 13 to the TSPA's hinds. The US will not do anything to upset the TSPA at this crucial stage when they are seeking an honourable-looking and a bloodless exit from the Afghan quagmire. One can easily predict that there will be a divorce (sixth, won't it be ?) after the neo-Geneva accord.

The Americans and the TSPA are playing a drama here. Though Maulvi Nazeer (of SWA) and Gul Bahadur (of NWA) have indeed been having an uncomfortable co-existence with the Mehsuds as part of TTP, they all owe allegiance to Mullah Omar. Of course, TSPA could have easily taken out Maulvi Nazeer but they would have lost the Waziri support in South Waziristan where they have already lost the Mehsud support. That would have meant SWA would have become out of bounds for the TSPA and they have a large contingent present there bottled up in fort-like garrisons scattered all over the place. Their lives & limbs would be in grave danger if the Waziris & Mehsuds decide to bury their enmity (even if only temporarily) for fighting a common enemy, the TSPA.

Another reason why TSPA could not have finished off Maulvi Nazeer is that he was very close personally to Mullah Omar. TSPA cannot afford to antagonize Mullah Omar. So, what better way to get rid of him than asking the 'born-again tight buddy' to do so on their behalf and pretend as though they were upset and ask American buddies to mouth lies ?

If the Americans feel that the TSPA has lost an 'asset' and that they could have easily eliminated him anytime if they really wanted to do so, that nameless US official must be asked if the American have ever indeed asked TSPA to do so and what was their response ? After all, Maulvi nazeer was an implacable enemy of the US and was sending soldiers into Afghanistan to fight, kill and maim the Americans.

Why was the TSPA interested in taking out Maulvi Nazeer ? We can only hazard a guess. He should have been a stumbling block in resuming dialogue with the TTP and TSPA might have concluded that his elimination was the only way. Maulvi Nazeer had everything to lose if GoP/TSPA recognized Hakimullah Mehsud as TTP leader and have peace deal with him. Maulvi Nazeer might have also threatened the TSPA with spilling the beans, of which he might have some. All the news reports of TTP's peace offer emerged only after Maulvi Nazeer was seriously injured in a suicide attack on him a couple of weeks earlier. When the suicide attack failed to eliminate him, he was taken out with a drone immediately thereafter. Soon, all kinds of stakeholders within Pakistan have been speaking of the peace dialogue with the TTP.

Within the TTP, there are two groups. One, under the control of Hakimullah Mehsud and the other under the combined control of Maulvi Nazeer and Gul Bahadur. The former are stronger in terms of numbers and geographical spread while the latter are confined to just the Waziristans. The Mehsuds have accommodated the Uzbeks among them after they fled from Afghanistan and the particularly vicious Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) is close to Hakimullah Mehsud. Besides, the Punjabi Taliban (a loose term that includes many Punjab-based terror tanzeems of the Deobandi/Salafi/Wahhabi/Takfiri dispensation) are also with Hakimullah Mehsud. There are some pointers here from Col. Imam's capture and assassination two years back. At that time, it was the Hakimullah Mehsud's group that held him captive and eventually an unheard of Punjabi group claimed to have killed him for being a US spy. Maulvi Nazeer vowed to take revenge for this proving close connections between him, Col Imam and the TSPA. In fact, Hamid Gul was also furious and predicted bad times for Hakimullah Mehsud for Col. Imam's death. The Punjabi Taliban are aligned with Hakimullah's group. Qari Saifullah Akhtar, Amir of HuJI and the original Punjabi Taliban, fled to South Wairistan after 9/11. Ilyas Kashmiri, who was initially the head of HuJI's Kashmiri chapter who later became Al Qaeda's operational commander, was eventually kiiled in South Waziristan. In this milieu, Maulvi Nazeer was not a significant partner though he was close to Mullah Omar, participated in Afghan operations by lending foot soldiers and was friendly to TSPA.

Because of the strength of the Hakimullah Mehsud faction,it is reasonable to assume that the TSPA has decided it is better to have an understanding with them and eliminate anyone opposed to that. This is in view of the developments in Afghanistan. The fate of Gul Bahadur in NWA also now hangs in balance. What will happen to the other Gul, Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul now ? I see many more names on the 'list'.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

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Thanx SS mian... It's crystal.
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SS,

The US is not a monolith. Whatever wet dreams State Dept wallahs can cook up may not always go down well with those facing the business end of a jihadi AK-47.

There is less than 0 chance that TSPA either wanted or actually helped kill Nazir. While some weak kneed pussies in Foggy Bottom or in the White House may be placing their hopes on a "face saver", other elements are preparing for a big residual force with enough air and drone power to keep TSPA assets in check.

Maulvi Nazeer made himself an easier target after the failed suicide attempt on him, which required him to move less frequently and to and from medical facilities. That's what got him killed. The DoD, uniforms and spooks can and will take out Gul Bahadur, the remaining Haqqani brothers etc. if they make a mistake.

P.S: Ilyas Kashmiri was killed in a property belonging to Maulvi Nazeer and a key Nazeer lieutenant died in that same drone strike. The jihadi good/bad types have too many incestuous ties.
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Rman, which do you think will prevail? Foggy bottom or dod? Or will it be a constant tussle, which has the added benefit of being able to make all sides of a case... Sort of like our chaps do?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

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sum wrote:New chief of Pak Taliban faction fought Indian troops in J-K

Khan, who is also known as Salahuddin Ayubi, was chosen by the 'Shura' (council) of the Mullah Nazir group and elders of the Ahmedzai Wazir tribe.
But the interesting part:
They said the Pakistanis were "upset over the killing".

"These reports (that Pakistan aided in Nazir's death) are preposterous," said one official involved in targeting Al Qaeda and other terrorist leaders in Pakistan.

Seems to be a Amriki size 13 on the mush of TSPA


Be that as it may, unkil should spread some fud by leaking 'thanks TS PA for your help' kind of news
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Not sure if "big residual force" wallahs will win out. Today NYT reports that Ombaba wants about 6000 soldiers in A'stan. So it is a complete withdrawal, even SoKo has ~30,000 US soldiers!

The thing about Pakis you need to admire is that in their single minded pursuit of "Strategic depth" and wanting to hurt India, they are willing to make vast swathes of their country into real pakistans. In such a context, With 6000 soldiers and only money as carrot and stick to control the Pakis, from US perspective it is better to "take their sensitivities" into account.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

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The unkil TSP relationship reminds me of a line from the old Tamil film song that parodies the tambrams...

It goes like 'they quarrel and argue but eventually reconcile, for each quarrel and rift the Lady gets a silk saree' ... change that to F16 and you have the same situation...
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

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Apparently our fellows raided a Pakistani post in Haji Pir sector called Sawan Patra and gave a Paki his 72. Wonder what the provocation was. Heavy firing going on in the area.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

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JEM,

As Anujan says, the signs point to smaller residual force, but an insider once told me that a force of 5,000 doesn't mean just 5,000 people - it means 5,000 uniformed people i.e. spies, contractors, etc. can be another 10-12,000. So who knows.

Either way, there will be enough assets to ensure that if Siraj Haqqani or any known face pops its ugly mutt out off the ground, he can be sent to his 72 in short order. That's going to keep at least one pressure point active.
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