Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 10 Jan 2013 01:28

Aman ki aasha journalist promotes non state actor version.

Week before killing, LeT chief stirred trouble at LoC
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 87489.aspx

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 10 Jan 2013 02:12

shiv wrote:
Sushupti wrote:Grow up! Tit for tat is not Pakistan policy: Hina Rabbani

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 130109.htm
I recall when Ms Khar begat
triplets named Pat, Mat and Tat
It was fun during the breeding
but hell during the feeding
for there was no tit for Tat

True Hina RAPEtte Khar! Pakis love for GUBO is legendary...
Pakistaniyat displayed worldwide has shown that as a policy, the Ghazi jihadis of Al Bakistan will not settle with Tit for Twat.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 10 Jan 2013 02:26

Sushupti wrote:

If ex-Soldiers are war mongers then you know what self styled jounalists aka power brokers are - Anti-Nationals and Paid foreign agents.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 10 Jan 2013 02:27

India gives a befitting reply to paki raid and beheading of its soldiers.

This is what the Congressi Bhench*ds and Madarch*ds call proportionate and caliberated response!!!!!!

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 10 Jan 2013 02:31

Aditya_V wrote:
abhijitm wrote:meanwhile BJP wants to shame pakistan in the world. hey bhagwan. Looks like they are on the mission of collecting shame-pakistan certificates from all possible nations and hang them on the wall...a 'wall of shame' they call.

kahan se paida hote hai yeh log?
Err what else can they do, as Yindoo fundamentalists the National, International and Indian Business community neutered them for taking a too aggressive stance on Operation Parakram.

+100 !

kish · Post by **kish** » 10 Jan 2013 02:38

WKKs are already out, proposing more dialogue with pakisatan.
Mani shankar iyer in Rajdeep sardesai show "Dialogue is the only option".

The best thing "beaf eating" Mani shankar iyer could do to the country is to drop his last name "Iyer" before giving interviews. Its an insult to hindus.

partha · Post by **partha** » 10 Jan 2013 02:43

partha wrote: From the article -
Three, there is no point differentiating between the Pakistani state and its people, which our romantic Aman ki Aasha peace-mongers keep drilling into us. The point of this distinction – between state and people – is meaningless since it is the Indian state that is trying to talk peace with the Pakistani state. It is not negotiating with the Pakistani people directly.
Actually Pakis want us to believe these distinctions -

1. Good Pakis and bad Pakistani government (Paki people want peace. It is the politicians who want a fight).
2. Good Pakistani government and bad Pak army (Don't talk to army which will only weaken the fragile democracy).
3. Good ISI and bad ISI (only rogue retired officers of ISI are bad)
4. Good army and bad army (Only the jernails who don't want democracy in the country want enmity with India. Most soldiers come from poor families and they are somebody's father, mother, sister, brother onlee).

There is an interview with Javed Akthar by a Pak army hack called Wajahat Khan on Youtube. It was posted here some pages back. You can clearly see how the interviewer is pushing the above distinctions.

However when it comes to India they make all kinds of generalizations. Yindoos have small heart, banias conspire against Pakistan etc etc..

5. Good bad army and bad bad army.

http://www.brownpundits.com/2013/01/09/ ... ment-44832
Comment by blog author.

Still somehow i doubt that the current army high command would order someone to go and behead some Indian soldiers (I think Kiyani sahib is not that crazy). So if the perps were Pak army soldiers, they more likely acted beyond the high command’s orders…but i can imagine a local commander ordering or agreeing to such a thing
Breaking News: Pakistan not only has independent media and independent judiciary but also independent army soldiers who act on their own with "not that crazy" leadership not taking any action against them.
…which is another problem that the jihadi culture has introduced into the army (it started in 1948 but accelerated in the Zia years): a number of jihadist memes have entered the army and replaced its British-Indian traditions. Even if the high command is not crazy (or moronic, like Musharraf was), lower level individuals can get it into their head to do something dreadful for what they regard as the greater glory of Islam.
But I am still not sure that regular army people did this. One can imagine the “asymmetrical assets” in the area being used BY the army ..or going off on their own?
Its a terrible thing either way.
The US was in the best position to try and fix this, but they may now have made a deal with the army to get out from kabul with a pretend victory, so their leverage is pretty low. China may help out at some point,
hehe.. it is always the fault of others. It is always the others who should clean up the Paki mess.
given their stake in the capitalist world order, but armies are armies, I am sure some PLA generals are inclined to think in more “strategic” terms.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 10 Jan 2013 02:51

rajanb wrote:As I had said in an earlier post, we did Jhappad the porkis.
<snip>

Unfortunately this is what happens when we start believing in our own secularism and liberalism.

BBC: India moves to cool Kashmir row becomes Kashmir shooting: India's Kurshid warns on escalation when you click the link

India says one of its patrols was attacked by Pakistani troops near the LoC, 500m (550 yards) inside Indian territory.

But Pakistan rejected the Indian accusation as "propaganda", saying it was an attempt to draw attention away from an Indian incursion two days earlier in which a Pakistani soldier was killed.

Perhaps Pakis delivered a better Thappad on India's face in return for the Paki's killing. They came into our territory and took away a soldier's head as trophy.

Now let us get back to being the civilized the society that we are told and send the pakis some visas, sugar and wkks.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 10 Jan 2013 02:53

Pakistani visas ^^^ : keep in mind many may be for Hindus fleeing Islamic tyranny in pakibanland

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 10 Jan 2013 02:55

WHYS 60: Kashmir border killings

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p012vj2m

Listen to that South Asianist Sanjay Choura and that Paksitani nationaist "Peace activist" Sabena Sidique (refer to the bakistan thread for Sabena ).

Sanjay Choura starts with :

i) I am Indian , i love pakistan and paksitani people
ii) Our country Indian and pakistan
iii) Only one who can be believed is "people" of this region.

partha · Post by **partha** » 10 Jan 2013 02:59

kish wrote:WKKs are already out, proposing more dialogue with pakisatan.
Mani shankar iyer in Rajdeep sardesai show "Dialogue is the only option".

Thanks for the puke alert. I was about to watch that show.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 10 Jan 2013 03:07

An old post at Offstumped that still is relevant in the 'Indo-Pak context' : http://blog.offstumped.in/2006/05/09/salami-tactics/

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 10 Jan 2013 03:35

I too can't believe that the Pakistani military could do something like this. I don't believe it was Pakistani military personnel who kiled and raped their way across east Pakistan. That was Indian soldiery besmirching the fair Muslim.

Of course no one on that absurd Arnab show could point this out. There is a history here. Only Indians can be surprised and after all being repeatedly outraged shows many Indians as simpletons.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 10 Jan 2013 05:00

Beijing puppet Stalinist rapist goons' puppet yellows are doing the ultimate == that Indian soldiers also did beheading... strangely, TSP must have complained in private to these scums

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 10 Jan 2013 05:03

Cosmo_R wrote:Pakistani visas ^^^ : keep in mind many may be for Hindus fleeing Islamic tyranny in pakibanland

Ah any means to look for chanakian-ness to unnecassarily feel good in what is essentially a self-defeating and self-harming measure.
You are indirectly meaning to say that the Hindus can and will cross over on foot when and if required. Very much forgetting that crossing over the border is the last of the many steps which is strictly controlled/enforced by the paki establishment and can be easily stopped any time they want to.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 10 Jan 2013 05:09

Cosmo_R wrote:Pakistani visas ^^^ : keep in mind many may be for Hindus fleeing Islamic tyranny in pakibanland

That ought to be publicized widely and special arrangements made to have them settle in, along with media focus created. Such a refugee migration cannot be allowed to happen under cover of "visas for any Pakistani visitors".

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 10 Jan 2013 05:14

Can we follow this incident in a separate thread please? Lets keep this one for generic Paki-news.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 10 Jan 2013 05:20

Pak cross-LoC raid: Brutality similar to 2000 strike by Ilyas Kashmiri

Pakistani attackers took away soldier’s head as ‘trophy’

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 10 Jan 2013 06:03

I request all people living on the border (Gujarat, Rajasthan, Punjab, Jammu and Kashmir) to be responsible for their own security (exercise, learn weapons, etc) as Government of India is not!!

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 Jan 2013 06:53

Read and weep.

Praveen Swami of the Hindu with a story claimed to be an “exclusive” on the beheading of Indian soldiers.

Looks like our Congress Party led UPA Administration is trying to absolve itself for its pusillanimous dhimmi-like response to this latest provocative action by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan by spreading some of the blame for the beheading onto the Indian Army

:

Runaway grandmother sparked savage skirmish on LoC

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 Jan 2013 07:47

The return of Maulana Qadri: Paki Journalist

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 10 Jan 2013 08:00

Someone celeberating 911 wearing that shirt.

Could someone spot the location? Is it Hyderabad by any chance... Someone ought to crack his skull open and feed the brains to the local street dogs.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 10 Jan 2013 08:13

From Arun's link above, the premise that IA crossed the LOC to kill anybody is a complete conjecture - although in subsequent, news items, the fact that this is a conjecture will be papered over; the whole thing will be presented as Indians crossed over first.

Pakistan insists its post, Sawan Patra, was raided by Indian troops. India has denied the allegation. “None of our troops crossed the Line of Control,” said Jagdish Dahiya, an Indian army spokesperson.

Either way, though, a Pakistani soldier was dead before the shooting ended — and another critically injured.

“Let’s just put it this way,” a senior government official in New Delhi said, “there was no formal permission to stage a cross-border raid to target Sawan Patra. However, in the heat of fighting, these things have been known to happen. Pakistan has done this, and our forces have done this, ever since fighting began in Jammu and Kashmir in 1990.”

partha · Post by **partha** » 10 Jan 2013 08:28

http://tribune.com.pk/story/491693/ajma ... s-of-hate/

In India, in turn, Pakistani designers, music, television shows, poetry and so much more are widely respected

Hain?

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 10 Jan 2013 08:41

This is 26/11 all over again. Same people, same reaction...everything. All iz well in the end.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 10 Jan 2013 08:44

Classic Stalinist mass murderers' yellow journalism, they always find someone willing to 'admit' (privately) that it is their fault...usually it is BJP leaders doing the 'admitting' anonymously, of course, but now the same taknik is applied with IA..

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 Jan 2013 08:45

arun wrote:Read and weep.

Praveen Swami of the Hindu with a story claimed to be an “exclusive” on the beheading of Indian soldiers.

Looks like our Congress Party led UPA Administration is trying to absolve itself for its pusillanimous dhimmi-like response to this latest provocative action by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan by spreading some of the blame for the beheading onto the Indian Army :

Runaway grandmother sparked savage skirmish on LoC

The Congress Party led UPA Administration’s strategy of covering up its pusillanimous and dhimmi-like behaviour in the face of provocations from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan by spreading the blame for the beheading of our soldiers onto the Indian Army seems not to be limited to Praveen Swami and the Hindu.

Yet more motivated (?) leaks from unnamed Government source this time from Saikat Datta of the DNA:

Uri Commanders Forceful Retaliation Led To Beheadings?

Muns · Post by **Muns** » 10 Jan 2013 09:18

Cease fire 2003 treaty also known as Treaty of Hudaybiyyah, the 10 year allowance truce has passed with it being 2013.

After taking Mecca and 'cleansing" the Kaaba PBUH gave 4 months for the pagans to leave Arabia. Post that came revelation 9.5 :

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolators where ever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to Salat(islamic prayer) and pay the Zakat(islamic alms), allow them to go their way.

Perhaps more than a coincidence.

Maybe it was better that the 2 Jawan's weren't captured alive. Their torture would have been more horrific like Saurabh Kalia.
I have a image in my mind of Saurabh, being forced to recite shahada as above. Post his refusal he was tortured and then mutilated.

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 10 Jan 2013 09:42

IIRC, treaty of Hudabiyah was violated in 2 years by PBUH forming much of the basis of Taqqiyah in the Quran, thus making any Islamic society untrustworthy. Infact an Islamic society cannot be trusted by another Islamic society itself, for one Islamic society may think they are true Muslims and the other society is not.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 10 Jan 2013 11:30

Anther person trapped by WKK propoganda,

Ahmedabad woman killed by husband in Pak, claims family

People in India have innocently belived the media are now lambs for slaughter

on some channels like XDTV I have seen many pro pakistani programmes but never even remotely praisign VHP, RSS or BJP or anything bad.

could it be that all these elements which constitute say about 40% of Indian society be all Bad, rotten and there is nothing good about them but Pakistanis are generally good with a few bad isolated retaliotary reactions.

or is it.

These folks are connected at the Hip with Pakistani Elite and see many Indians as the Enemy and the TSP politicos and Army as thier friends??

partha · Post by **partha** » 10 Jan 2013 12:20

x-post from media thread -

partha wrote:
partha wrote:Keep an eye on Smita Sharma, a journo with IBN who visited Pakistan recently as part of media delegation from India. I see increasing bhai-chara with some "jernailists" from across the border.
Remember this warning some months ago? Now see this -

Now India it seems has a deep state. Nice ==.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Jan 2013 12:22

India-Pakistan Dialogue Must Continue - B.Raman

The validity of our strategic objectives towards Pakistan should not be allowed to be distorted by any jingoistic reaction to the incident in Jammu & Kashmir on January 8, 2013, in which two Indian soldiers were killed well inside Indian territory by a Pakistani Army group and where one of them was allegedly decapitated.

While Pakistan has denied any decapitation, it has sought to project the incident as in retaliation for an earlier incident on January 6 in the Uri sector in which, according to it, a Pakistani soldier was killed by a raiding Indian Army unit. This has been denied by the Indian Army. According to it, it merely countered covering fire by Pakistani units in the area to facilitate the infiltration of some militants into J&K across the Uri area.

In the present state of contentious relations between the two countries, it would be difficult to establish the real sequence of events. Each government and Army will assert the veracity of its version.

Dialogue process

Our strategic objectives are to work for good neighbourly relations marked by normal trade, people to people contacts, greater sporting and cultural interactions, hassle-free travel and a confidence-building mechanism. A sustained dialogue process is necessary to achieve these objectives.

It will be unwise and short-sighted to allow our justified anger over the incident of January 8 to undermine the dialogue process. It will be in the interest of the people of both countries to resist the urge to discontinue the dialogue process.

At the same time, one has to recognise that such incidents of tactical gravity will continue to mar bilateral relations so long as there is no genuine change of mindset in the Pakistan Army towards India. This mindset is marked by sustained hostility towards India and a determination to annexe J&K and keep India destabilised through the use of terrorism as a strategic weapon against India.

Having achieved a reduction of the nuclear and conventional asymmetry through the acquisition of a nuclear and missile capability, Pakistan has built up for itself a set of tactical options to keep India bleeding and destabilised through terrorism and other means without triggering off a conventional and nuclear war.

The January 8 incident arose from the Pakistan Army’s confidence that India has limited tactical options to retaliate without running the risk of starting a conventional and nuclear war. Pakistan’s experience in helping the United States in waging a covert warfare against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan with the help of surrogates has taught it the importance of building for itself a mix of covert tactical options that it can use against India.

Prime Ministers Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi and P.V. Narasimha Rao knew the importance of a covert tactical armoury to act as a disincentive against Pakistan for increasing the cost of its using terrorism against India and encouraging it to seek accommodation with India.

Our subsequent Prime Ministers and our elite have had no understanding of the importance of such an armoury to supplement our conventional and nuclear arsenal.

As a result, we are totally bereft of any tactical options for riposte against Pakistan when it indulges in actions such as the 26/11 terrorist strikes in Mumbai or the January 8 incident in J&K. A power without suitable means of covert riposte will find itself a paper tiger.

Pakistan’s mistaken belief that its nuclear, missile and covert capabilities have reduced India to a paper tiger has to be removed through the acquisition of covert options. Covert action does not mean doing to Pakistan what it has been doing to us. It means creating strong disincentives for its hostile actions. It does not mean tit-for-tat action. It means creating concerns and uncertainty in its mind about the consequences of its actions.

Covert action, to be effective, has to be sustained and unpredictable and must be based on the support of objective allies in its population. We have such objective allies in its population. It is for us to identify them and make common cause with them. {Intriguing proposition here}

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 10 Jan 2013 12:25

This Pak journo on @bdutt show knew about American SV's Hindu hit job on Indian Army in advance

partha · Post by **partha** » 10 Jan 2013 12:33

B Raman brings an interesting angle of Pak elections. Pak army trying to escalate tensions with India with the aim of taking over or influencing the election results? Or to install its pet care taker government?

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 10 Jan 2013 12:34

We have such objective allies in its population

Let us count the ways:

Balouchis
Balwaristanis
Bhangis
Christians
Shias
Hindus
Sindhis (many)
Seraikis (some)
Pakhtoons (some)
Democrats
Free agents (bought)

There is already a stalemate/equilibrium in Pakistan-there is a mutual slaughter ongoing only some of which makes it to the media. So if India sponsers random killings courtesy of military intelligence or RAW, it will not make an iota of difference. Pakistanis are innured to violent deaths. It is a process of Islamisation which they recognise from Indian and Arab history. Pakistan is becoming Islamic, finally discarding the Indian residuum.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Jan 2013 12:43

Is it time for India to inject greater realism in India's policy ? - Brahma Chellaney, Economic Times

Words like "brutal", "heinous" and "savage" aptly describe the way a Pakistani army unit raided Indian territory and chopped two soldiers, taking away one severed head as a "trophy". The Indian outrage, however, must not blind us to the unpalatable truth: India is reaping what it sowed. New Delhi is staring at the bitter harvest of a decade-long policy seeking to appease a recalcitrant neighbor with unilateral concessions and gestures.

The "peace-at-any-price diplomacy" was started by prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee in an abrupt policy U-turn in 2003, and has been pursued with greater vigor by his successor, Manmohan Singh — interrupted only by the Pakistan-orchestrated Mumbai terrorist rampage of 2008. {Absolutely}

Regrettably, no policy lessons were drawn by New Delhi from the Mumbai terrorist siege, which occurred because India presented itself as a weak and tempting target. The latest episode — one of the worst acts of Pakistani savagery in peacetime ever — has followed a dozen Pakistani violations of the line of control in the past one month. The question to ask is what has prompted the Pakistani military establishment to adopt an overtly aggressive posture visa-vis India of late.

The Pakistani military is drawing encouragement from two factors. The first factor is that the US-Pakistan relationship, after being on the boil for more than a year, has gradually returned to normalcy. That the US-Pakistan rift has healed is apparent from Washington's resumption of large-scale military aid and its coddling of the Pakistan army and ISI.

US aid to Pakistan is now at a historic high — at more than $3 billion a year. US policy, because of the exigencies of an exit strategy from Afghanistan, has permitted political expediency to trump long-term interests vis-a-vis Pakistan. The US has allowed even a key issue to fade away: how was Osama bin Laden able to hide deep inside Pakistan? The reason for that is the same as to why the US didn't pursue the AQ Khan case.

The second factor is the series of unilateral political concessions by India, including delinking dialogue from terrorism, and recognising Pakistan, the sponsor of terror, as a victim of terror. Whereas US policy has increased the Pakistani military's room for maneuver against India, Indian policy has both solidified Pakistani reluctance to bring the Mumbai-attack masterminds to justice and emboldened the Pakistani military to commit yet another act of aggression.

India has considerably eased pressure on Pakistan, both on the Mumbai-attack issue and on Hafiz Saeed, the militant leader who still preaches terrorism against India. India has also pursued a host of goodwill gestures, including resuming high-level political exchanges and cricketing ties and introducing a less-restricted visa regime for Pakistanis. All these moves, unfortunately, have sent the wrong message to Islamabad.

Being nice with a determined adversary in the hope that this will change its behavior is not strategy. With Singh dreaming of open borders with terror-exporting Pakistan, India's Pakistan policy remains driven by hopes and gushy expectations, not statecraft. In fact, some of the public statements Singh has made in recent years have not only been insensitive in relation to those slain by Pakistan-trained terrorists but may also have inadvertently encouraged Pakistani intransigence and aggression. Consider the following examples:

"We both [Pakistani Prime Minister Gilani and myself] recognise that if there is another attack like Mumbai, it will be a setback to the normalisation of relations". In other words, if there were another Mumbaistyle terrorist attack, it will merely be a "setback" to ties — that, too, a temporary setback followed by Indian concessions.

"India-Pakistan relations are prone to accidents." Were the attacks on the Indian Parliament and Red Fort, the Mumbai terrorist strikes, and the myriad other Pakistan-scripted outrages just "accidents"? Will the latest savagery also be treated as another "accident" after the current public indignation fades?

"We cannot wish away the fact that Pakistan is our neighbor". And, therefore, "a stable, peaceful and prosperous Pakistan" is in India's "own interest". But the breaking away of South Sudan, East Timor, and Eritrea and the disintegration of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia since the 1990s have shown that political maps are not carved in stone. In fact, the most profound global events in recent history have been the fragmentation of several countries. Didn't Indira Gandhi change political geography in 1971?

India and Pakistan are locked by a "shared destiny", and thus "our objective must be a permanent peace with Pakistan, where we are bound together by a shared future and a common prosperity". How can a plural, inclusive and democratic India share a common destiny with a theocratic, militarised, fundamentalist and failing Pakistan?

"It is in our vital interest to make sincere efforts to live in peace with Pakistan ... Unless we want to go to war with Pakistan, dialogue is the only way out." This reflects the classically flawed argument that the only alternative to one extreme (appeasement) is another extreme — war. The simple truth is that any country must avoid either extreme. After all, between bending backwards to please Pakistan and waging war lie a hundred different practical options for India. For more than two decades now, every Pakistani aggression against India — covert or overt — has been greeted with Indian inaction. India has shied away from employing even non-military options to discipline a wayward Pakistan.

Will the latest strike also evoke mere Indian condemnation and no reprisal. Any right-minded citizen would want peace between India and Pakistan. India indeed has tried everything possible to build peace with Pakistan, but the Pakistani military establishment, in particular, has construed India's overtures as signs of weakness. Today, India's Pakistan policy is adrift because it is not backed by any goaloriented strategy. It is past time for India to inject greater realism into its Pakistan policy.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Jan 2013 12:45

sanjaykumar wrote:. . . Pakistan is becoming ~~Islamic~~, . . .

Islamist, to be accurate. And, that too, a Sunni Deobandi/Wahhabi/Salafi/Takfiri Islamist.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 10 Jan 2013 13:16

[quote="SSridhar"]India-Pakistan Dialogue Must Continue - B.Raman
Who benefits from this 'strategic objective'? why it is being imposed on the general public by the ruling elites when the public opinion does not support it? What will go wrong if we give up this so called objective? And last but most important, what will go wrong if we continue with this 'objective'? Who analyses this and why there is no transperancy? what is really going on? public ko chu@@ya samaz ke rakha hai kya?

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 10 Jan 2013 13:21

kish wrote:WKKs are already out, proposing more dialogue with pakisatan.
Mani shankar iyer in Rajdeep sardesai show "Dialogue is the only option".

The best thing "beaf eating" Mani shankar iyer could do to the country is to drop his last name "Iyer" before giving interviews. Its an insult to hindus.

This man is stupid.

What we should be doing is handing over the country to zardari and his team. They will take care of us.

member_23252 · Post by **member_23252** » 10 Jan 2013 13:28

Here is real reason why WKK briagde of Indian journos have been over the years advocating all this bhai chara.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3vX4uMjo1s

Watch video after 3:30, Gilani took a group of Indian journalist on tour to POK at time of Son's wedding.