Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Asha

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 12 Jan 2013 23:03

Media blackout?

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 12 Jan 2013 23:11

RajeshA wrote:I don't think we can expect much from the present Govt. The interests of the nation and those of the Islamo-Christianist Cabal Regime in India simply do not coincide.

And one needs to call the current dispensation by its rightful name - an Islamo-Christianist Cabal Regime!

Agree with you, but this Islamo-Christianist cabal regime did not fall from the sky -- it is a democracy and this abomination was wilfully voted to power by the Hindus by rejecting Hindu nationalists. What does it tell us about the IQ level of ordinary Hindus? What kind of Hindus would reject Hindu nationalists and prefer a Islamo-Chritianist regime to rule them?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jan 2013 23:52

ramana wrote:We will all be hopping mad if we concentrate on Indian media and responses.

All are partial and don't give the picture.
As usual pay heed to US, PRC and TSP to understand whats happening.
We cant rely on the govt or its minions to get an understanding.
The gang rape diverted the attention of these fools from the important goings on since second week of Dec 2012.

While the GOI is paralyzed by corruption, gang rape, criminals in Lok Sabha, remote control by the DIEnasty, slowly the pieces are being moved to make India jump on US bandwagon.

They don't want India to be uncommitted in their global golmal. Not again.

Thanks to stupidity India might be forced on to that great gamble.

Why stupidity you ask?

UPA had 8 years to put in place economic reforms to make inclusive growth and reduce the million mutinies. PC scam meister can take credit for this.
They could have tightened the internal security to prevent TSP a chance to play inside India. Instead they came up with mythical Hindu terror and divided the country even further. National Insecurity adviser MKNeroyanan can take credit for this. pc also weakened the MHA into a partisan Bullice organization and turned the CTC, NIA and other national organizations to combat terrorists into a farce.
They could have beefed up the India Armed forces strength in th elasst 8 years. Instead the do nothing Mr Clean AKA could find no deal he could accept.

Above all MMS and his remote controllers did noting to provide options for India and destroyed every one of them.

The sad state of affairs is Indian citizens get scammed, gang raped in Delhi and Indian Army soldiers get beheaded inside our borders.

And the Cabinet blames the victims in both cases!!!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 13 Jan 2013 00:28

They could have atleast acquired artillery guns!

Nothing says "I protest" like an artillery barrage on forward posts for an hour.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Jan 2013 01:50

and completed Agni 5 and Arihant development.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Jan 2013 02:14

There is rumor out the on the sea that pirate are sinking small boats like Hazamat near Malacca strait.Let Indian Navy provide the security to this puny sail boat from puny country with puny brain.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Jan 2013 02:24

‘A grandmother, a new bunker lead to India-Pakistan clashes’

Pakistan Khush Hua, Hillae pakistan for Praveen Swamy, Khurshi..t, and his Ilks

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 13 Jan 2013 02:43

^^^^ It is a possibility that Praveen Swami's sources are not the Indian Army but the Paki army. He even got the IA commander's name wrong so much for his investigative journalism.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 13 Jan 2013 03:05

it is a democracy and this abomination was wilfully voted to power by the Hindus by rejecting Hindu nationalists. What does it tell us about the IQ level of ordinary Hindus? What kind of Hindus would reject Hindu nationalists and prefer a Islamo-Chritianist regime to rule them?

Hindu nationalism is a chimera. The faster Indians realize this the better for them. Indians or the vast majority will vote a tolerant, pragmatic and a non confrontational larger identity. Indians or again the vast majority will vote in those that bring change reflecting those ideals as a first choice. NM gets votes exactly on those fronts. However it does not imply that when the need for confrontation is there, the party with these credentials will do as well. That the Indian voter is seeing today in the present INC setup. Devoid of ideas. it is appalling to note it is non confrontational even with gross injustice and prefers to suck up than confront. There is going to be a change in voting patterns after this 8 year stint by UPA that the voter will want all 3 characteristics plus the ability to confront ugly forces. NM showed that early on. Is it any wonder that he is getting so much press and popularity today.

No India is NOT a Hindu country. It is a Dharmic one. One that likes, admires, cherishes the qualities:

1. Satyam (Truth)
2. Ks’ama (forgiveness)
3. Dhama (self-control)
4. Asteya (non-stealing)
5. Shaoca (cleanliness)
6. Indriyanigraha (control over organs)
7. Dhii (benevolent intellect)
8. Vidya’ (spiritual knowledge)
9. Dhrti (patience)
10. Akrodha (non-anger)

These are the qualities that we are losing out on by our blind pursuit of Ism and negation of Dharma. Yet to defend a society that is based on the above from those that don't believe in the above, the use of ruthless force may be required. When we get rid of our 'Ism' and forge a society on the above, the defense for it will come about.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 13 Jan 2013 03:06

can you define Hinduism, separate from being Dharmic.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 13 Jan 2013 03:48

Ramay Ji, reply in OT thread..burkha forum.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Jan 2013 03:54

Can we take Dharmic discussion out of this thread please?

Thanks, ramana

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 13 Jan 2013 05:30

@harbans ^^^ Items 1-10 seem to have escaped UPA notice. Suggest memo

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 13 Jan 2013 05:55

I think it is time to close this thread. No use getting all worked up over this. The EAM has officially responded. Read and weep...

We think this will pass but concerns remain: Khurshid

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In an exclusive interview to The Hindu, the foreign minister, who was on a two-day visit to France, also said he felt the Indian and Pakistani governments had the capacity to overcome the present crisis: “We think this will pass. We think that we have enough arrangements in place between the Pakistanis and ourselves to counter these issues. But our main and burning concern is what happened to our men. The mutilation and beheading that took place is tragic, unfortunate, inhuman, and we think there should be some clarity, some truth that must be brought out. Even if you have to think of reconciliation, it must come after the truth is brought out. That is important, and we haven’t heard anything very helpful as far as that is concerned.”
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Mr. Khurshid said India will continue to make efforts to get to the bottom of the matter and that truth was a necessary ingredient of any reconciliation. “I think we have tried and we will continue to try to contain emotions to ensure that the matter does not escalate beyond any reasonable limits. [bThere are understandable calls for strong action on the part of India. We are hoping the other side will be more responsive to our cautious approach despite public pressure and we would certainly urge the Pakistanis to respond.[/b] There are various ways and levels at which ceasefire violations or the stopping of trade or movement of people can be treated but our major concern is the treatment of our soldiers and on that we have received no substantial response so far.”

Mr. Khurshid reiterated his earlier remarks on the question of Kashmir saying the mutilation of two Indian soldiers in Kashmir was “extremely shocking and unacceptable, even barbaric.”

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And the government pooh-poohs ACM Browne's comments ...

Air Chief talks of ‘other options’ on Pak

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Though government officials said Browne’s statement reflected the “sense of outrage” within the armed forces over the brutal killing of the two jawans and termed it “tolerable”, they made it clear it should be taken in isolation and did not reflect any move to scale up the issue. India is clearly looking to resolve the matter at the local level with a flag meeting that has already been proposed by the Army.

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pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 13 Jan 2013 07:36

I am wondering what does Indian union of states stand for?

I am puzzled at this Molly codling, caving at every instance of Indian sovereignty is violated

Be it fishermen killed by Italians, citizens killed by TSP

Where is the intelligentsia the elder statesmen opposition

What is that Indians stand and believe
I am unable to rationalize

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 13 Jan 2013 07:38

Indians believe in Vatican.
Hindustanis believe in Saudi Barbaria
Bharatiyas are not allowed to believe in themselves.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Jan 2013 07:52

ramana wrote:
ramana wrote:We will all be hopping mad if we concentrate on Indian media and responses.

All are partial and don't give the picture.
As usual pay heed to US, PRC and TSP to understand whats happening.
We cant rely on the govt or its minions to get an understanding.
The gang rape diverted the attention of these fools from the important goings on since second week of Dec 2012.

While the GOI is paralyzed by corruption, gang rape, criminals in Lok Sabha, remote control by the DIEnasty, slowly the pieces are being moved to make India jump on US bandwagon.

They don't want India to be uncommitted in their global golmal. Not again.

Thanks to stupidity India might be forced on to that great gamble.

Why stupidity you ask?

UPA had 8 years to put in place economic reforms to make inclusive growth and reduce the million mutinies. PC scam meister can take credit for this.
They could have tightened the internal security to prevent TSP a chance to play inside India. Instead they came up with mythical Hindu terror and divided the country even further. National Insecurity adviser MKNeroyanan can take credit for this. pc also weakened the MHA into a partisan Bullice organization and turned the CTC, NIA and other national organizations to combat terrorists into a farce.
They could have beefed up the India Armed forces strength in the last 8 years. Instead the do nothing Mr Clean AKA could find no deal he could accept.

Above all MMS and his remote controllers did noting to provide options for India and destroyed every one of them.

The sad state of affairs is Indian citizens get scammed, gang raped in Delhi and Indian Army soldiers get beheaded inside our borders.

And the Cabinet blames the victims in both cases!!!

India Today has a story on Order of battle for India and TSP.

It hasnt changed from 2001 when Operation Parakram was underway.

Instead of stealing Rs 100,000 crores they could have raised two more strike corps and given us options.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indi ... 41932.html

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RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 13 Jan 2013 07:59

^ are you saying that the UPA1&2 put together did nothing with the of Rs 3 Lakh crore planned expenditure for past 8 years = Rs 24 Lakh crores ($500b) except for

Rs 1lakh crore = $20b for NREGA?

Where did all the money go?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Jan 2013 08:04

Even Swiss banks dont have lockers for the wealth they have stolen.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 13 Jan 2013 08:18

I think it is time to close this thread. No use getting all worked up over this. The EAM has officially responded. Read and weep...

Now this is something I can agree with more than other posts. It is time to stop creating threads and take charge of the country. Retards who we have put in charge by conveniently staying absent from political process have NO INCENTIVE to respond differently than the way they are responding. Taking any sort of tough measures requires serious planning, preparedness for taking short-term economic hit, and risking political career which NO ONE wants in the establishment. Want to fix it, take charge of the country. Let BRFite be the next prime minister and let Pranab Mukharji do the blogging.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 13 Jan 2013 08:21

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India Today has a story on Order of battle for India and TSP.

It hasn't changed from 2001 when Operation Parakram was underway.

Instead of stealing Rs 100,000 crores they could have raised two more strike corps and given us options.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indi ... 41932.html

@ Ramana ^^^ Are there any stats on the growth of VIP protection in India? That would clue us into who they think is the real enemy—us or the pakis. Last I heard 20 cops per VIP and some 0.95 per 1000 per aam admi. What's the ratio 20K times the protection?

Google 'how many police per person India'

Keep in mind JLN wanted to do away with IA and just wanted police.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 13 Jan 2013 08:31

chanakyaa wrote:
I think it is time to close this thread. No use getting all worked up over this. The EAM has officially responded. Read and weep...
Now this is something I can agree with more than other posts. It is time to stop creating threads and take charge of the country. Retards who we have put in charge by conveniently staying absent from political process have NO INCENTIVE to respond differently than the way they are responding. Taking any sort of tough measures requires serious planning, preparedness for taking short-term economic hit, and risking political career which NO ONE wants in the establishment. Want to fix it, take charge of the country. Let BRFite be the next prime minister and let Pranab Mukharji do the blogging.

Close the thread and you have a lot of muttering middle aged guys fuming. And that's ex post facto just about what you can say about the 2500 years of being doormats (as Abdul Kalam said).

At least all of our fulminations get captured forever on the Internet/Google cache/Wayback and our progeny see we tried.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Jan 2013 09:03

Cosmo, Straight from kudremukh!

Shinde said out of 86,000 Delhi Police personnel, nearly 7,000 were deployed for VIP security.

"Out of this, 2,500 policemen are deployed for security of Z-plus (highest category) VIPs and the rest for security of high court and vital installations," he said.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 13 Jan 2013 09:34

venug wrote:^^^^ It is a possibility that Praveen Swami's sources are not the Indian Army but the Paki army. He even got the IA commander's name wrong so much for his investigative journalism.

It is quite possible some journalists are on ISI rolls. See for example this interview of Karan Thapar where he is told by Madhu Trehan point blank that a senior minister in the central government told her they have information Thapar is on ISI rolls. He propagates the Pakistani view in India. Why is no action ever taken against these traitors?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 0pgz2biUmE

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Jan 2013 10:03

ramana wrote:Instead of stealing Rs 100,000 crores they could have raised two more strike corps and given us options.

Ramana, what more options ? Has GoI used up existing options ? Do you believe that the two extra strike corps would have made GoI retaliate ? GoI is on a self-destructive trajectory with TSP.

The arrogant statement from Kurshid that GoI "will not give in to 'wild calls' for revenge" says it all. His predecessor was stupid but the incumbent is stupid and arrogant. If the justified anger of Indians is a 'wild call for revenge', this government must be charged with serious violation of the oath of office. He is echoing his TSP counterpart Birkin Babe’s words.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 13 Jan 2013 11:12

Well , his immediate predecessors during last eight years had been as stupid as this pathetic apology of a human being now currently holding it. His call easily resonate with Khar Houri who talked of worthless voice of a billion Indians not worthy of even a statement. The problem is he is also included in that insult, i.e. if he thinks he is indian and not a closet paki.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 13 Jan 2013 11:15

ramana wrote:Cosmo, Straight from kudremukh!

Shinde said out of 86,000 Delhi Police personnel, nearly 7,000 were deployed for VIP security.

"Out of this, 2,500 policemen are deployed for security of Z-plus (highest category) VIPs and the rest for security of high court and vital installations," he said.

Muns · Post by **Muns** » 13 Jan 2013 11:15

Salman Khurshid, Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi are perpetrators of Hindu/Indian Genocide. They are active supporters of Hindu suffering and seek to destroy the cultural lineage of all Indians. Their apathy now results in dead by the tens of thousands. Even stories of Indians brutally tortured and mutilated goes unaccounted for. The torturous pain and suffering of families goes on unabated for years, with no justice offered.

Over the last decade according to satp.org where i totalled the dead, it adds up to 20,392 to have died since 2000. Apparently in all our wars with pakistan and china since independence, we have lost 8050.

Salman Khurshid, Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi are perpetrators of Hindu/Indian Genocide and responsible for the active suffering of millions.

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries ... alties.htm

http://www.boloji.com/index.cfm?md=Cont ... icleID=241

Muns · Post by **Muns** » 13 Jan 2013 11:40

I thought to mention a story I heard. A peaceful mother polar bear with two cubs ambling along comes across another male polar bear. Male polar bears are sometimes known to kill other bears for food and pose a serious threat. Enraged, the mother polar bear stands up, fierce, threatening and vicious. She will do what she can to protect her cubs and fight a deadly attack.
Perhaps, this is a good analogy of Mother Kali, who takes a fierce form to protect us from such harm. Like many things, there is a symbolic nature to many stories.
The story of Narasimha and Prahlad, is a extremely thought provoking story. It would be a shame, if we would use such a story for adding weight to lets say evisceration of pakis.

Perhaps beheading of various figures in mythology is symbolic for removal of the ignorance that they possessed. It is their blinding ignorance and ravenous greed that caused such great harm, and the necessity of battle to rid the earth of their cruelty.
Everything i believe is tied to the law of Karma.
I don't believe we need to follow the paki suite of beheadings to equate justice. A Pinaka battery can do just as well....

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 13 Jan 2013 12:32

The speed with which Pak has "mobilised" part of its army ,while the Indian reponse has been akin to that of a fish out of water,indicates that we have yet again been taken in by surprise at Paki perfidy,which in the current situ has been a well thought out and well planned exercise.Knowing that the "window of opportunity" to achieve a quick "victory" in another spat,is fast diminishing-with the UPA-2 totally at sea over the nation-wide protests against the Delhi gang rape,apart from the Modi juggernaut rolling on towards Delhi after his hat-trick of victories in Gujarat,the death-knell for the UPA-2 has been sounded.The next govt. will be voted in on a tsunami of outrage against the fast deteriorating security within and without India,the tsunami of scams the other side of the coin.

With the weak Zardari regime also on its way out shortly,the time for mischief is now.Unfortunately for Paki machinations,we now have a CDS and CoAS,an Air Chief Marshal who has sounded a clear warning to Pak,that an Indian response can take on many forms other than a ground offensive.If the IN also transfers the cutting edge of its eatstern fleet to the west and plans for a massive attack to destroy the PN in any misadventurous spat by it.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 13 Jan 2013 13:25

Narendra Modi govt asks Pakistani delegation to leave Vibrant Gujarat Summit after tension escalates along LoC
http://t.co/INdRRS5j

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 13 Jan 2013 13:28

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Discussions on at Army HQ to bestow posthumous decorations on Lance Naik Hemraj & Lance Naik Sudhakar Singh on Republic Day.

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Hearing BJP workers in Rajouri plan to get into vans and drive towards LoC Mendhar to protest. Sigh. Army won't allow them anywhere near.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 13 Jan 2013 13:38

NM has "seized the day",the mood of the nation,unlike the asinine e*n*chs of the UPA,who are adding insult to injury by making outrageous statements that Indo-Pak relations "will not be affected"!

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 13 Jan 2013 14:46

Philip wrote:NM has "seized the day",the mood of the nation,unlike the asinine e*n*chs of the UPA,who are adding insult to injury by making outrageous statements that Indo-Pak relations "will not be affected"!

Philip ji, why use the asterisk? Say it openly. Because that is what the UPA govt is. A govt of eunuchs. and MMS is the head eunuch.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 13 Jan 2013 15:26

chanakyaa wrote:
I think it is time to close this thread. No use getting all worked up over this. The EAM has officially responded. Read and weep...
Now this is something I can agree with more than other posts. It is time to stop creating threads and take charge of the country. Retards who we have put in charge by conveniently staying absent from political process have NO INCENTIVE to respond differently than the way they are responding. Taking any sort of tough measures requires serious planning, preparedness for taking short-term economic hit, and risking political career which NO ONE wants in the establishment. Want to fix it, take charge of the country. Let BRFite be the next prime minister and let Pranab Mukharji do the blogging.

Excellent Chanakyaji! We've got a 100 votes.. now we need to get the rest of the educated Indians to vote.. any ideas on that?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 13 Jan 2013 16:21

nitin gokhale ‏@nitingokhale
Flag meeting between Indian and Pakistani commanders at Chanknabanda in Poonch sector at 1 pm tomorrow

nitin gokhale ‏@nitingokhale
India to protest strongly the incident of beheading and demand the return of the head of the soldier during the flag meeting on Monday

partha · Post by **partha** » 13 Jan 2013 17:21

abhishek_sharma wrote:nitin gokhale ‏@nitingokhale
Flag meeting between Indian and Pakistani commanders at Chanknabanda in Poonch sector at 1 pm tomorrow

nitin gokhale ‏@nitingokhale
India to protest strongly the incident of beheading and demand the return of the head of the soldier during the flag meeting on Monday

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 13 Jan 2013 17:27

Basically, no one on our side wants to escalate the incidents. We are waiting for things to quieten down (both media and the other side lowers their guard) before we respond.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Jan 2013 17:48

^Yes, that is what is happening. Another 'good conduct certificate' will follow.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 14 Jan 2013 07:40

Shonu wrote:
chanakyaa wrote:
Now this is something I can agree with more than other posts. It is time to stop creating threads and take charge of the country. Retards who we have put in charge by conveniently staying absent from political process have NO INCENTIVE to respond differently than the way they are responding. Taking any sort of tough measures requires serious planning, preparedness for taking short-term economic hit, and risking political career which NO ONE wants in the establishment. Want to fix it, take charge of the country. Let BRFite be the next prime minister and let Pranab Mukharji do the blogging.
Excellent Chanakyaji! We've got a 100 votes.. now we need to get the rest of the educated Indians to vote.. any ideas on that?

Haha..I saw that response coming. 100 votes is a good start..all we need to do is vote multiple times, as some do, and there you have it... Just kidding. Ok, now on a much serious note. Sir, I'm not after increasing educated people to show up at the voting booth. If the people running for office are the scum of the society, as majority, not all are, attendance of 100% of educated at the voting booth is not going to give you a better result. What BRFites can and should do in its current form is actively seek to influence decisions makers in government, military, media, finance/banking to effectively control the population to get the desired results. This faceless but highly effective opposition to the the establishment (pick a name of your favorite political party or leader) is very difficult to pick on and supress. BRFites are capable of offering a better platform for millions of indians to participate. If BRFites don't take charge, after thousands new threads and millions new posts we will find out ourselves back to square one (existence of paki state, more paki brutalities and god know what else)..