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Sanku wrote: Yes, Sangh pulled in votes for BJP in Gujarat. When even a small section of Sangh breaks away NaMo loses 4 seats despite gaining vote shares.

BJP is part of sangh, the statement that sangh was against BJP makes no sense whatsoever, this sort of discussion is in MSM not for BRF.
It is not breaking away. It is being inside and sabotaging. BJP is part of Sangh and that is not questions.

The fundamental disagreement with you are the following:

You think person or a leader has no big impact in getting votes but it is only the organization as a whole. What I think is this is wrong anywhere in the world and India is no difference. They always look at a leader and that leader alone can be useless but the organization without the vote-pulling leader is also useless. It it always both.

In the current situation Modi is the vote pulling leader and the Organization needs to instil a culture to rally around the vote puller and not confuse and distract by sundry stuff.
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Seriously?

Give BJP a chance, make Varun Gandhi its President. He is as good or bad as Rahul, no? After all they are from the same family. Let the two Crown Princes fight, and let Modi become the PM.

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the MSM should keep continuing their attacks on NaMo and BJP. everyone in BJP should keep harping on potential candidates as a challenge for NaMo.
In fact this negativity on the part of media psy ops could have a positve effect on NaMo popularity in general all over India.

let many BJP wallahs and their associated partners keep cribbing on suitability or unsuitability of NaMo. this keeps him in limelight in MSM.
Indians will become familiar with him more by default than by chance. It will be good in time for elctions.

Had an encounter with IM in khanland-- my own collegue from my place in India- general discussion on India- somehow veered towards delhi rape etc and politics. NaMo topic came up somehow. IM seem to be open and more talkative. No more shutting up discussions etc or non sense blabbering.
churning is occur in the minds of everyone.


Hope the same is occurring everywhere.

More visbility is a welcome sign for NaMo.
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http://politicsparty.com/shownews.php?newsid=135

This guy writes a lot of crap and sometimes good stuff. I believe he is correct today, something that Muppalla pointed out. Some top sangh leaders with egos as big as the himalayas, are the ones blocking modi
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muraliravi wrote:http://politicsparty.com/shownews.php?newsid=135

This guy writes a lot of crap and sometimes good stuff. I believe he is correct today, something that Muppalla pointed out. Some top sangh leaders with egos as big as the himalayas, are the ones blocking modi
More like ferreting out Modi as PM through media campaign. BJP should him reveal at right time not when Congress and its media want.
It should put a poker face and can give enough hints but have him campaign like Modi not PM candidate till elections are declared.

Congress may want to declare elections based on BJP moves.
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Here is the other angle for those who always have suspicions of yashwant sinha and ram-pakistan-jethmalani

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/3/2 ... horus.html

The chorus within the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) to declare Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi as the party’s prime ministerial candidate by senior leaders Yashwant Sinha and Ram Jethmalani has raised several eyebrows in the party.

Senior party officials are wondering whether their mands are in favour of Modi at all. Both, the BJP and the RSS are not sure if Sinha and Jethmalani are really batting for Modi or someone else.

The Sangh was particularly suspicious of Sinha and Jethamalani. It felt that both of them were needlessly raising the Modi pitch so that NDA allies gang up against Modi. Sources said they were doing this to build a consensus to project LK Advani as the PM candidate once again.

“Otherwise there is absolutely no context for these leaders to raise the pitch now. It is simply too early. Whose game are these leaders playing? Everybody knows Modi is very popular among the BJP cadre, but the Lok Sabha elections are one year away,” said an RSS leader.

Sources said that Advani's followers were trying to divert attention from newly appointed BJP president Rajnath Singh. “It is possible that through such statements we could be giving a handle to the Congress. These statements do not help Modi, Rajnath or the BJP. It only helps our rivals,” said a senior BJP leader.

JD(U) leader Shivanand Tewari, who was the first to oppose Sinha’s endorsement of Modi as PM, said, “Sinhaji is upset that nobody proposed his name for the BJP president’s office. Advaniji took everybody’s name - he had proposed the name of Ravi Shankar Prasad, not Sinha. That must have hurt him.” He added that his party was opposed to Modi because of the 2002 Gujarat riots.

It is not just the JD(U), even the Shiv Sena voiced its preference for Sushma Swaraj as the PM candidate. BJP sources said the Sena is miffed with Modi for the preferential treatment he has meted out to MNS chief Raj Thackeray. Modi had invited Raj to visit Gujarat and acquaint himself with developments there.

BJP spokesman Prakash Javdekar said his party is not worried by any opposition from the allies. “Once the state elections are over, we will do all the work that needs to be done,” he said. As for the “Modi PM” chorus, party leaders dismissed it as a way to improve their appraisal.
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yuvraj faces mental challenges while NaMo faces political challenges. :rotfl:
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Situation in AP is getting bizarre. Today a news journalist committed suicide for Telangana. How did he do it? By driving his bike into an RTC bus coming in opposite direction.

And congress party people made it public that the negotiations on TRS merger failed because he was asking for too many positions and posts.

Poor Telangana public.
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RamaY wrote:Situation in AP is getting bizarre. Today a news journalist committed suicide for Telangana. How did he do it? By driving his bike into an RTC bus coming in opposite direction.

And congress party people made it public that the negotiations on TRS merger failed because he was asking for too many positions and posts.

Poor Telangana public.
I kind of like the KCR speech :). In any other state or country he would be arrested for hate speech. What a language skills he possess. Congress basically succeeded in taking back to couple of years ago regarding the rhetoric.
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KCR and his gang, many COngress leaders from T land are been speaking like that - Kodandaram(a Reddy) on the other day told (warned) Minister Sridhara Babu that he should not forget how the said ministers father died ( he was murdered by Naxals). What more we need. TRS is only interested in collection of money and increase in its power. Now KCR want to end up as T land Czar if the new state is given. INC will never allow it as they will never allow a regional sathrap with some power - they already suffered YSR once in AP and struguling to contain Jagan.

AP is very improtant for INC MP total so there will be lot of fear in INC losing it. Further fear is what will happen to other pending statehood demands - Azad - Jammu and Ladakh Union Territory demand - Shnde - Vidharbha and so on. Home mnistry already worried about north east and gurkhaland.

The mess in AP can best be discribed as Pigs Breakfast.
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Muppalla wrote: You think person or a leader has no big impact in getting votes but it is only the organization as a whole. What I think is this is wrong anywhere in the world and India is no difference. They always look at a leader and that leader alone can be useless but the organization without the vote-pulling leader is also useless. It it always both.
It is both for sure, but in context of the Sangh, it is the organization which first and foremost is the "leader". Individuals are secondary. Their votes are also by and large in context of organization as a whole.
In the current situation Modi is the vote pulling leader and the Organization needs to instil a culture to rally around the vote puller and not confuse and distract by sundry stuff.
I am very pro-Modi, but it remains to be seen. For example Modi did not pull in votes in Himachal. It was a out and out local sanghatan issue, both in victory and defeat.

The key is the person who can get the Sangh moving, Modi needs some time at center before he can do it.

However if is given the top role before election, you wont see me complaining.

So, is Modi a good option, sure. Is he the only overwhelming possible option? No.
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muraliravi wrote: The Sangh was particularly suspicious of Sinha and Jethamalani. It felt that both of them were needlessly raising the Modi pitch so that NDA allies gang up against Modi. Sources said they were doing this to build a consensus to project LK Advani as the PM candidate once again.
Some one on this forum said exactly the same thing yesterday.
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I feel the worst thing is to Make 2014 a Make it or break it for Modi. He should be put as reluctant candidate so if things don't go as planned, he should have the option of again contesting in 2019 or other elections.
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Aditya_V wrote:I feel the worst thing is to Make 2014 a Make it or break it for Modi. He should be put as reluctant candidate so if things don't go as planned, he should have the option of again contesting in 2019 or other elections.
Violently agree.
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NM is such hot property that the opponent will leave no stone unturned to make sure he is not a threat later on. NM has a strong position inside Gujarat. Outside Gujarat he will get vulnerable.

My view is that BJP should declare him PM candidate. Start attacking using some mass mobilization idea. And basically plan every move, move every plan to one specific objective. Bait the man-baby and his supporters. Force them to come out. Basically anything they say in defence would go against them, because people have already started deciding their stand. The crystallisation of this stand is the requirement. In fact Sanghis do not even have to go look for a fight. Just declare NM as PM candidate the fight will come to them. Then they have the benefit of pre-emption, of public support and the backup of excuses should anything goes wrong.

Make it or break it kind of portrayal, will not happen from within Sangh, it can come only from those who would benefit from such a portrayal. Sanghis actually would like to enjoy him as an insurance policy. 'X nahi to Y sahi' kind of negotiations is a character trait for Indians. This is immediately a door opened for abandoning X even when X is good enough for the job and at the same time allows Y to creep in even when Y is actually a dumb move.

There is one important caveat. A long hard look at the vulnerabilities of NM. You cannot court a fight and then find 2 of your investors have some accumulated karmas that should have been addressed beforehand.
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ramana wrote:Virendra thanks for the vignette. Wasn't late Shekawat responsible for getting the BJP defeated in order to deny Vasundara Scinida the CM post? He raised some bogus Rajput vs rest issue and ensured BJp gets defeated.
Bhairo Singh Shekhawat?? What did he do?
Nothing. He was in reality the least caste motivated politician. Didn't do anything for Rajputs.
Not that I'm complaining but just to refute the point that Shekhawat was playing caste politics at any point of time.
Rajputs were never that galvanized in Rajasthan that he would find political profit in doing so.
Shekhawat was a way more shrewd person. He was good at one thing .. negotiate and jugaad. That helped in some cases like getting help from Congress ruled centre during drought periods etc.
I have personally known too many incidents of Rajputs complaining that he didn't help on individual issues even upon being approached.
People realized that he was just a CM and no one to meddle in Rajput affairs. More than him the others like Devi Singh Bhati (6 time winner from Kolayat), Lokendra Singh Kalvi, Pratap Singh Kachariyavas and Rajendra Singh Rathore have been active.
Congress leader Deependra Singh Shekhawat is seen in the same hopeless manner (from caste angle) like the late CM was seen.
Not sure which Rajput vs. others issue you're talking about. Shekhawat and Madam are 5 years apart.
It is Jaswant Singh who doesn't have a good tuning with Vasundhara and Shekhawat.
Muppalla wrote:Does the above gents can bring any votes? Even for their own seats? Kataria is being propped up by RSS and they are all doing smear campaign. Overall all of them will together look like ....?
These leaders are strong in their limited zones like Kataria is heavy in Mewar. But be it BJP state organization or the vote share they cannot challenge the stature of Vasundhara.
Problem is, they can create ruckus and confusion within. Can blunt the image of BJP as an alternative for the people.
They can harm the interests of BJP if they face-off Vasundhara openly or disceretely.

More than all these things .. I am keen over the dynamics of Jat politics within and the ante forming against them in various other groups that I named before. It is going to be an interesting caste battle in Rajasthan.
Although in all this, the irony for democracy is quite evident.

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Virendra wrote:Although in all this, the irony for democracy is quite evident.
Why though? The fact that Individual exists at many layers, single individual, family, jaati, gram, rajya, varna, rashtra. When a person looks at expressing his democratic vote, he is looking at his self interest through all these layers.

We should not deny
1) The various layers
2) Democracy being a non confrontational way of resolving multiple individual interests (and as mentioned before, a individual interest is a layered interest) in a negotiated manner.

After all what is a nations interest but the collective of all its constituents -- the problem IMVHO is that we in India have seen democracy as some sort of a notion where all the Indian identities would suddenly be removed with all individuals being "same". IMVHO that is neither desirable, nor practical.

Yes there are cases when the national interest will and should supersede all the above layers, but that sort of polarization rarely happens, and should rarely happen. One has to live through the humdrum of life, and normally those issues take precedence.

Yes but at the very least, a smaller (of a smaller group) intrest, should not be at least against, or at the cost of, larger interest, in a traitorous manner. Rest is ok.
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I hope the two cousins see sense and unite again. The NDA will need 25+ seats from Maharashtra if they want to have a fighting chance of taking power at the centre. A BJP-SS-MNS allience may well be able to attain this.
Will welcome alliance offer, Uddhav Thackeray to cousin Raj

Mumbai: In signs of a thaw, Shiv Sena President Uddhav Thackeray today said he would welcome any offer of an alliance between his party and the Raj Thackeray-led Maharashtra Navnirman Sena (MNS) in the interests of the Marathi people.

http://www.indianexpress.com/comments/w ... aj/1066772
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Sanku wrote:
Virendra wrote:Although in all this, the irony for democracy is quite evident.
Why though? The fact that Individual exists at many layers, single individual, family, jaati, gram, rajya, varna, rashtra. When a person looks at expressing his democratic vote, he is looking at his self interest through all these layers.

We should not deny
1) The various layers
2) Democracy being a non confrontational way of resolving multiple individual interests (and as mentioned before, a individual interest is a layered interest) in a negotiated manner.

After all what is a nations interest but the collective of all its constituents -- the problem IMVHO is that we in India have seen democracy as some sort of a notion where all the Indian identities would suddenly be removed with all individuals being "same". IMVHO that is neither desirable, nor practical.

Yes there are cases when the national interest will and should supersede all the above layers, but that sort of polarization rarely happens, and should rarely happen. One has to live through the humdrum of life, and normally those issues take precedence.

Yes but at the very least, a smaller (of a smaller group) intrest, should not be at least against, or at the cost of, larger interest, in a traitorous manner. Rest is ok.
Choosing a democratic representative for general assembly should not be meddled with our affections of caste and creed. Those are not means of achieving individual interest but ways or organizing the society in order and placeholders/targets for our duties and responsibilities.
You should have your caste and creeds if you want but those aren't means of influencing democracy. Making caste and creed as factors indemocracy will give us narrow leadership and similar agendas.
The moment one votes for caste and creed, they have already superseded the greater interests. If there was a system of choosing many reps where one would look after their caste and other would see larger interests then I don't mind. But its just one man to be chosen and he is the go-to guy for folks of all caste and creeds.
If people themselves vote for their own caste and creed, how will the leaders chosen care for all and not just the few ??
Currently people blindly vote for "Mere Mohalle ka" Mere Mazhab ka", "Meri Jaat ka" candidates such that even the good work done by the incumbent MLA is conveniently forgotten. The idea of inclusive development 'samagra vikaas' is lost to the public. One group doing it triggers the other and so on.
This attitude deserves the kind of parasites that rule us today.

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sunnyP wrote:I hope the two cousins see sense and unite again. The NDA will need 25+ seats from Maharashtra if they want to have a fighting chance of taking power at the centre. A BJP-SS-MNS allience may well be able to attain this.
Will welcome alliance offer, Uddhav Thackeray to cousin Raj

Mumbai: In signs of a thaw, Shiv Sena President Uddhav Thackeray today said he would welcome any offer of an alliance between his party and the Raj Thackeray-led Maharashtra Navnirman Sena (MNS) in the interests of the Marathi people.

http://www.indianexpress.com/comments/w ... aj/1066772
I think Sena, MNS and Akali etc. would eventually agree to Modi. Jaya is ready and will show her cards at the right time. But we have the hint :)
Problem is with JD-U. Sorry I diverted to national scene.
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Virendra wrote:Choosing a democratic representative for general assembly should not be meddled with our affections of caste and creed. Those are not means of achieving individual interest but ways or organizing the society in order and placeholders/targets for our duties and responsibilities.
You should have your caste and creeds if you want but those aren't means of influencing democracy. Making caste and creed as factors indemocracy will give us narrow leadership and similar agendas.
The moment one votes for caste and creed, they have already superseded the greater interests. If there was a system of choosing many reps where one would look after their caste and other would see larger interests then I don't mind. But its just one man to be chosen and he is the go-to guy for folks of all caste and creeds.
If people themselves vote for their own caste and creed, how will the leaders chosen care for all and not just the few ??
Currently people blindly vote for "Mere Mohalle ka" Mere Mazhab ka", "Meri Jaat ka" candidates such that even the good work done by the incumbent MLA is conveniently forgotten. The idea of inclusive development 'samagra vikaas' is lost to the public. One group doing it triggers the other and so on.
This attitude deserves the kind of parasites that rule us today.

Regards,
Virendra
This can change only if we require that a candidate has to cross 50% of votes cast to win, and if none can, there is a run-off election.

Only then would the candidates be willing to create a wider appeal and project a non-caste agenda.
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Yeddyurappa tastes his own medicine, out of KJP post

http://news.oneindia.in/2013/01/29/yedd ... 39109.html
As BS Yeddyurappa was engineering fall of BJP government in Karnataka by making 13 MLAs quit BJP, he himself has been removed from his newly adopted party's president's post. Though technically it was not an 'expulsion', the founder president of Karnataka Janata Party (KJP) has taken advantage of a letter sent by the Election Commission and removed Yeddyrappa from the presidentship of the party. KJP founder Padmanabh Prasanna on Tuesday wrote to the EC that the party at its emergency executive committee meeting has withdrawn its earlier decision and decided to continue with Prasanna as the party president. On Dec 9, at the Haveri convention of the KJP party, Yeddyurappa had assumed the post of KJP presidentship from V Dhanjay Kumar, who had become temporary president after an informal agreement with founder Prasanna. Questioning this process, the EC had raised several queries on the president's election as the party went for regional party status. Currently, Dhanjay Kumar is talking to Prasanna to resolve this tricky issue and hammer out a face-saving solution.
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Virendra wrote: Choosing a democratic representative for general assembly should not be meddled with our affections of caste and creed.
Why?

Those are not means of achieving individual interest but ways or organizing the society in order and placeholders/targets for our duties and responsibilities.
Well democracy is also a way of organizing society. So you have two ways. Why be surprised if they work together.

BTW where from do you get that ways of organizing society are not in Individual interests? The very foundation of organizing society is to best serve individual interests, since many working together are better than 1.

1+1==11 theory.

What else is society for? The nature between individual and society is symbiotic.
The moment one votes for caste and creed, they have already superseded the greater interests.
NOT TRUE.

Consider interests as laddered. In meeting individual interests, interests of Gram are served. In meeting Gram that of rajya and so on.

Unless there is conflict, and democracy is precisely the conflict resolution mechanism.
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Virendra wrote: More than all these things .. I am keen over the dynamics of Jat politics within and the ante forming against them in various other groups that I named before. It is going to be an interesting caste battle in Rajasthan.
This has impact in few states. Delhi, Rajathan, UP, Haryana. I do not know how it will play in Rajasthan. However, the congress party is Jat heavy for sometime and they have courted jats in a very calculated way. Haryana Jats via Hooda, W.UP jats via Ajit Singh are in kitty. Chautala in jail means consolidation or backlash? The important thing is that even at Sonia Gandhi level they worked very seriously. They made it sure that Delhi University elections are won by jats and the winners are actually planned/managed at the highest levels of INC. I was talking to friend about this topic. INC ensured that they are is serious game in about 40 seats where Jats are prominent community in the states that I mentioned above. They could win upto 20 if the plans work out. BJP has to work to breach this barrier.
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How Sukhbir Badal won the Delhi Sikh Gurdwara committee elections after 12 years of Congress-Sarna rule.

Chandigarh January 30
Like the 2012 Assembly elections, SAD president Sukhbir Singh Badal’s micro-management won the Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Management Committee (DSGMC) election for his party and has paved the way for making him the community’s trans-country leader.

The SAD (Delhi) leadership failed to understand the impact of Sukhbir’s micro-management and that proved their undoing, sources said. Unlike the old Akali leadership that relied on sentiment to win elections, Sukhbir brought in a dedicated team from Punjab, gave his men specific duties and made inroads into the homes of the Sikh electorate. This strategy has borne fruit with SAD recording a landslide victory.

Sukhbir has been trying to build a national image for himself for quite some time and the DSGMC victory will give him just the platform needed to realise his ultimate goal of bringing the entire Sikh community under the SAD banner, sources said. The win also serves an immediate goal -- it will give SAD an advantage in the forthcoming Delhi Assembly elections as well as launch the party in states such as Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh having a large Sikh population.

The election has also established Sukhbir as the tallest moderate leader in the SAD after his father and Punjab Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal. The SAD president, who is at times compared to a company’s chief executive officer, has also shown his mettle in handling religious affairs by venturing into the DSGMC poll arena and emerging victorious.

Sukhbir’s hold on the SAD is also complete. He has delivered back to back victories for the party, which began with the 2007 Assembly election and improved his score considerably. His latest victory in the DSGMC elections in the face of Congress opposition has increased his stature in the party and proved that his brand of aggressive and proactive politics delivers results.

The party will also be charged up for the February 23 Moga bypoll, as the DSGMC win will have a psychological impact on its workers. In direct contrast, Punjab Congress workers are likely to be dejected, especially since state chief Capt Amarinder Singh had wholeheartedly supported Sarna and even campaigned for SAD (Delhi).
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I strongly feel JJ is waking or waken a sleeping problem. She seems to be instrumental in instigating the TMMK against Kamal - akin to USA supporting Afghani mujahideens. If the reports are true, she should be thrown out ASAP. She is vendetta queen. Once the ball is set rolling the Muslim groups will just cry hoarser, leading to problems. Leader continue to Fvck the people and screw the country.
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The CON MAFIA is hoping that dumb folks who vote for them get dumber and dumber...

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/is-so ... 130130.htm
In the midst of the ongoing controversy over Home Minister Sushil Kumar [ Images ] Shinde’s remarks on ‘Hindu terror’ and the offensive launched by the Bharatiya Janata Party [ Images ] and other Hindu organisations asking that the home minister be sacked, Congress president Sonia Gandhi [ Images ] will visit Allahabad for the ongoing Kumbh Mela which is currently on and has attracted crores of devotees. Renu Mittal reports.

Congress vice president Rahul Gandhi [ Images ] is also likely to make a visit to Allahabad with preparations afoot for the visit of the Gandhis to the Maha kumbh which comes every 12 years and is considered to be an auspicious event by devout Hindus.

While Sonia and Rahul are expected to visit Allahabad between February 5 and 9 as the exact dates are still being finalised, it may be recalled that during the last Maha Kumbh in 2001, Sonia had visited Allahabad and had taken an ardha snan (half-dip) and not a full one as is customary, in the Sangam.


That one act had earned her a great deal of goodwill. It helped her softened to some extent the image of Sonia's foreign origin.

And soon after that in 2004, when the elections took place, that the Congress-led United Progressive Alliance [ Images ] defeated the Bharatiya Janata Party-led national Democratic Alliance and wrested power at the Centre.

Apart from the controversy over the Hindu terror remarks, the general elections are due next year, where the congress is hoping to beat 10 years of anti-incumbency and return to power at the Centre.

This time around Rahul will not only co-ordinate the election strategy for 2014 but will also lead the election campaign. Congress leaders say it would be in the fitness of things if Rahul also takes a dip during the Maha Kumbh, and like his mother sends a signal that he is also sensitive to Hindu sentiments.

Congress leaders say that the nation wide and world wide pictures of Sonia and Rahul Gandhi in Maha Kumbh would go a long way in the image projection of the mother-son duo as sensitive to the Hindu religion and culture and diffuse to some extent the campaign being run by the BJP and the sangh parivar that the ruling party is not sensitive to ‘Hindus’ and that is why Hindu terror and saffron terror are words being used to describe terrorist activities by some sections.

Senior leaders of the Vongress feel that the use of the word Hindu by Shinde had not been well received in large sections of the people
with Dwivedi making it a point to publicly state that the Congress does not agree with the use of the words Hindu and Kesaria and instead it should have been called Sanghi terror.
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I don't know how true is this. Looks to me like a spin

Telangana: Decoding the Congress gameplan in Andhra Pradesh
But contrary to what most believe, the Congress is playing to a plan in Andhra Pradesh. It may not fetch them electoral dividends in Telangana but the strategy seems to be to occupy the ‘United Andhra Pradesh’ political space that has been vacated by TDP’s Chandrababu Naidu. Which is why Naidu is being pilloried as the villain of the piece in Seemandhra regions for having said a vague ‘yes’ to Telangana. The plan also is to cut Jagan to size so that he does not run away with the Seemandhra seats, as opinion polls suggest his party would.

It is significant that PCC chief Botsa Satyanarayana attended the anti-bifurcation meeting in Rajahmundry last week. Though he now claims he went there to do ‘political management’, anyone who follows and understands Congress politics will tell you that such events at such a sensitive juncture would not happen without the High command’s blessings.

Simultaneously, the Congress is also encouraging its leaders to attack KCR. On Monday, the TRS chief was very critical of the Congress and blamed everyone – from Jawaharlal Nehru to Indira Gandhi to Sonia Gandhi – for the mess. “The Congress had become a curse for Telangana. First it was Nehru, then Indira Gandhi killed people and now Sonia Gandhi is crushing us,” he said. KCR also used language unbecoming of a leader for Dr Manmohan Singh, provoking an angry reaction from Kiran Kumar Reddy. Asking KCR to mind his language, the CM tried to put him down as “after all the leader of a sub-regional party.”

Kiran wasn’t the only one. Rajahmundry MP Arun Kumar, a known KCR baiter, ridiculed his attempts to divide the state. Even Nizamabad MP Madhu Yashki Goud, who till recently was close to KCR, is now seeking to demolish his stature as the sole spokesperson of the region. Such pinch-hitting in the last overs, the Congress hopes, will help it demolish the TRS in Telangana.

While it knows it has lost significant ground in Telangana, the party plans to test how well this strategy works to help it regain lost ground in Rayalaseema and coastal Andhra. If it does in the next few months, the Congress could take a position against bifurcation and offer a development package instead. If it does not, it can carve out Telangana closer to elections and ride on that wave to do well in the region.
It is a gamble the Congress is taking, with high chances it may come a cropper in 2014. Having read the writing on the wall, the party is trying to rewrite the script, with new twists to the tale. The risk is that the script could well be its epitaph in Telangana.
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SwamyG wrote:I strongly feel JJ is waking or waken a sleeping problem. She seems to be instrumental in instigating the TMMK against Kamal - akin to USA supporting Afghani mujahideens. If the reports are true, she should be thrown out ASAP. She is vendetta queen. Once the ball is set rolling the Muslim groups will just cry hoarser, leading to problems. Leader continue to Fvck the people and screw the country.
I think this is a Congi + DMK game to defame JJ. Even if she allows KH movie, they will instigate some riot thus making a mess for her. Remember someone threw a petrol bomb already on a theater. Imagine that happening when the hall had people in it....
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I was driving on the road and saw youngsters of 15,16 years and not muslims are attacking hordings etc clearly with the JJ support. Clearly she has not changed from her old ways. Hope she stays with NDA for real.
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RamaY wrote: I think this is a Congi + DMK game to defame JJ. Even if she allows KH movie, they will instigate some riot thus making a mess for her. Remember someone threw a petrol bomb already on a theater. Imagine that happening when the hall had people in it....
No this is not a congi game. Regardless of what anyone else might think, JJ has a laser like focus on vendetta. There is no one around her who would dare call for a bit of prudence.

This movie business will be forgotten quickly, but similar behavior on other fronts will lead to electoral debacles.
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Vendetta on whom? Kamalhasan?
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SwamyG wrote:I strongly feel JJ is waking or waken a sleeping problem. She seems to be instrumental in instigating the TMMK against Kamal - akin to USA supporting Afghani mujahideens. If the reports are true, she should be thrown out ASAP. She is vendetta queen. Once the ball is set rolling the Muslim groups will just cry hoarser, leading to problems. Leader continue to Fvck the people and screw the country.
Oh Yes, TMMK and secular goons who cry Human rights violations bear no responsibility.

What if say the film was not banned and like Dhule in Maharastra a few of the petrol bomb throwing peaceful protesters got injured/killed. Her Govt would have been dismissed for law and order problem.

TMMK and their Ilk have cultivated by DMK, by weakening cases against key accused in Coimbatore blasts and those were convicted in spite of that were given early release. the HIndu, DMK, XDTV, INC all cheered this, the Tamil Film Fraternity many of whom praised this behavior. Now the yellow stuff is hitting the fan conviniently blame JJ and not past appeassement and Hindu Bashing has lead to this.
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Tamil actor-filmmaker Kamal Haasan’s woes, ostensibly related to Muslim protests over an unflattering portrayal of the community in his Rs. 125-crore blockbuster, Vishwaroopam, could be linked to his advocacy of Union Finance Minister P Chidambaram as the next Prime Minister

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/01/cast ... oopam.html
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Sushupti wrote:
Tamil actor-filmmaker Kamal Haasan’s woes, ostensibly related to Muslim protests over an unflattering portrayal of the community in his Rs. 125-crore blockbuster, Vishwaroopam, could be linked to his advocacy of Union Finance Minister P Chidambaram as the next Prime Minister

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/01/cast ... oopam.html
That is pure CT by Karunanidhi, See those Innocent TMMK are not responsible? Truth is UPA policies will utimately lead to Sharia law in this country, it is better that these effects come out early when something can be done to reverse the trend.
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SBajwa ji thanks for that update. Woke up to this news and wanted to be the first one to post here. But the backgrounder in your post does a much better job.

Also what exactly is Kamal Hasan doing in political sphere to deserve such a forceful backlash from whichever quaters. TN govt. not being in the know or not being the drivers seat is not digestable. And State politics is always vendetta driven. But Kamal Hasan is no big deal. So why such a fuss.

The general atmosphere of tushtikaran is only the background and is the essence of the trouble but what is the foreground? What act of KH forced this upon him. The boodhijeevi on Headlines today yesterday were very angry as if there is only a constitutional angle to it.
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Sanku wrote:
Virendra wrote: Choosing a democratic representative for general assembly should not be meddled with our affections of caste and creed.
Why?

Those are not means of achieving individual interest but ways or organizing the society in order and placeholders/targets for our duties and responsibilities.
Well democracy is also a way of organizing society. So you have two ways. Why be surprised if they work together.

BTW where from do you get that ways of organizing society are not in Individual interests? The very foundation of organizing society is to best serve individual interests, since many working together are better than 1.

1+1==11 theory.

What else is society for? The nature between individual and society is symbiotic.
The moment one votes for caste and creed, they have already superseded the greater interests.
NOT TRUE.

Consider interests as laddered. In meeting individual interests, interests of Gram are served. In meeting Gram that of rajya and so on.

Unless there is conflict, and democracy is precisely the conflict resolution mechanism.
I am unable to understand how voting blindly for your caste will pave the way for interests of gram, zila or state to ever be served.
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Muppalla wrote:
Virendra wrote: More than all these things .. I am keen over the dynamics of Jat politics within and the ante forming against them in various other groups that I named before. It is going to be an interesting caste battle in Rajasthan.
This has impact in few states. Delhi, Rajathan, UP, Haryana. I do not know how it will play in Rajasthan. However, the congress party is Jat heavy for sometime and they have courted jats in a very calculated way. Haryana Jats via Hooda, W.UP jats via Ajit Singh are in kitty. Chautala in jail means consolidation or backlash? The important thing is that even at Sonia Gandhi level they worked very seriously. They made it sure that Delhi University elections are won by jats and the winners are actually planned/managed at the highest levels of INC. I was talking to friend about this topic. INC ensured that they are is serious game in about 40 seats where Jats are prominent community in the states that I mentioned above. They could win upto 20 if the plans work out. BJP has to work to breach this barrier.
True that Congress has covered Jats very well but remember that Jats are very aggressive voters and they can switch sides in blip if they don't see Congress playing ball. In politics they are tough guys to bargain with.
What is interesting is .. now the caravan is oversized, losing agility and infighting has appeared. They are making new enemies in other groups.
We've had Shekhawat -> Gehlot -> Vasundhara -> Gehlot flip flops between BJP-Congress. Lets see what happends this time.
As far as Rajputs are concerned .. except Jats we have cordial to neutral relations with almost everyone .. even Muslims in some areas. Bigger problem for us is that our people don't vote enmasse with unity .. like the Jats or muslims do. Percentage is not healthy and what is there is divided, directionless.

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Virendra wrote: I am unable to understand how voting blindly for your caste will pave the way for interests of gram, zila or state to ever be served.
I did not say vote blindly for the caste, I am only saying is that jaati is as much a legitimate social grouping as gram, zila and rajya. Each of these are likely to play a role.

If Modi is PM candidate, BJP WILL get more votes at least in Guj, purely regional sentiments -- is that wrong? Similarly, some one from the similar caste, or an allied caste will ring a closer bell in minds.

As long as it is not blind, i.e. voting for a traitor just because he is from your social group. It is ok.

I would not take a right/wrong blanket statement. May be right/acceptable/understandable in some cases and not in others.
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SwamyG wrote:I strongly feel JJ is waking or waken a sleeping problem. She seems to be instrumental in instigating the TMMK against Kamal - akin to USA supporting Afghani mujahideens. If the reports are true, she should be thrown out ASAP. She is vendetta queen. Once the ball is set rolling the Muslim groups will just cry hoarser, leading to problems. Leader continue to Fvck the people and screw the country.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

JJ instigated TMMK?! Yea, right! It is not islamists who are sleeping problem, it is those who cannot see the rise of islamists that are sleeping(or pretending to sleep).

Islamists are raising the decibel levels. They want to be noticed. They are getting assertive and aggressive. The state machinery(including the vaunted judisiary) is abjectly surrendering to this menace. And this phenomenon is not limited to one state. This is happening all over the region(south-asia?). One just needs to open the eyes and see.


-In Maldives, muslims smash buddhist statues in national museum in feb, 2012. Link

- In Hyd, Apr, 2012(Ram Navami), tensions in old city.
Wiki:
In April 2012, Owaisi made derogatory and demeaning comments against Hindu god Rama and his mother Kaushalya. Owaisi asked "Where all did Ram’s mother go wandering and where did she give birth to him".[3] This was met with loud cheers from the audience.[3]
-First incidents of Assam riots started in july, 2012.

Wiki:
In July 2012 violence in the Indian state of Assam broke out with riots between indigenous Bodos and illegal immigrant Bangladeshi Muslims.[2][3][4] The first incident was reported to have taken place on 20 July 2012.[5] As of 8 August 2012, 77 people had died[6] and over 400,000 people were taking shelter in 270 relief camps, after being displaced from almost 400 villages.[7][8][8] Eleven people have been reported missing.[9][10]

On 27 July 2012, Assam's Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi blamed the national government for a "delay in army deployment to riot-hit areas".
- Threats are issued to north-eastern Indians in other states like Maharashtra(Mumbai & Pune), Uttar Pradesh, and Karnataka(Bangalore), AP(Hyd). There are even incidents of violence.

Wiki:
On August 8 and 9, some Manipuris were attacked in Pune. Students and professionals were beaten up by Muslims in Pune's Kondhwa and Poona College areas.[33] Attackers asked victims which state they belonged to, and those who replied Manipur [North East India] were beaten.
-In Mumbai, Major mob gathers and goes on a rampage, even desecrating Amar Jawan in Aug, 2012. BTW, what angst would they have against Amar Jawan? Why would an islamist in Mumbai hate Indian army? Is it possible that these islamists also support their ummah brothers in pakiland?
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India: Muslim mob locks police into police vans and sets vans on fire

-In Uttar Pradesh, Muslim mob desecrates Buddha statue in Aug, 2012. Link
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Wiki:
On August 17, 2012, Muslim mobs resorted to large scale violence against mediapersons, bystanders, shops, vehicles and tourists in several cities including Lucknow, Kanpur and Allahabad.[50][51] In Lucknow, after the Friday Namaz, a mob of 500 ravaged various landmarks of the city including Buddha Park, Haathi Park, Shaheed Smarak and Parivartan Chowk,[50] and vandalized many statues including those of Gautam Buddha and Mahavira.[51][52]
- It triggers a fearful exodus of people of north-east from Bangalore, Hyd, Mumbai, Chennai ...etc.

Wiki:
30,000 people from North East India have fled Bangalore after attacks[53] and threats of more attacks to come after Ramzan (Ramadan). Shiyeto from Nagaland, resident of Bangalore, was attacked by a group of people who threatened to kill him if he did not leave the city before Ramzan which is on August 20.
- In Sep, 2012, Ganesh festival arrives. And as usual, it means muslims desecrate the holy idols of Lord Ganesha at various places in India. Such incidents were reported from Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh and Andhra Pradesh.

- In pakistan, sep 2012, large-scale violent protests against a movie. Pakistan hit by anti-Islam video protests
The US embassy in Pakistan's capital, Islamabad, has become the latest target of protesters angry at an anti-Islam video that triggered protests in the Arab and Muslim world.

The total number of protesters reached around 5,000 later on Thursday with the arrival of protesters carrying the flags of hardline Islamist groups. At least 50 people were injured as police fired tear gas and live rounds towards the crowds.

Hundreds of students from various colleges and educational institutions in Islamabad had begun clashing with police as security forces tried to block them from reaching the embassy compoud, which also includes the British and French diplomatic missions.
- In Chennai, US consulate attacked over on the pretext of anti-islam film in sep, 2012. Link

Protest turns violent, city police chief shifted
On the fifth day of the protest against the American film, over 5,000 people belonging to nearly 25 Islamic organisations gathered near Holy Dargah Hazrath Syed Moosa Sha Khaderi, popularly called Mount Road Dargah, around 3.30 p.m. They shouted slogans against U.S. President Barack Obama; flung footwear at his pictures and burnt his effigies and the American flag.
-In Bangladesh, 25,000 muslims torch atleast 10 buddhist temples and several homes in sep, 2012. Link
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- In Hyd,
Wiki:
In September 2012, Owaisi said that he will not tolerate if the illegal Bangladeshi immigrants in India are sent back to Bangladesh.[17]
- UP is rocked by riot after riot. Dushshera, oct, 2012.
Riot after riot: UP under Akhilesh takes a dangerous turn
UP under Akhilesh was on a short communal fuse this Dussehra

- In Hyd, oct, 2012, Bakrid triggers tensions due to illegal cow slaughter. Police try to enforce the law, but face stiff opposition.There are several rumour floating around and several low-scale communal skirmishes(and assaults on small temples) that are not reported by the media. The riots seem imminent. Link

- In Hyd, nov, 2012, Tension prevails in Hyderabad Old City
Violence erupted in Old City here on Friday as namajis coming out of Mecca masjid after completion of noon prayers clashed with police, burnt vehicles and attacked property in lanes and bylanes.

Mobs torched four cars and four motorcycles even as policemen in riot gear chased them in different directions from Charminar and lobbed teargas shells. A policeman sustained injuries, while some youths were caught hurling stones.

As news about violence spread, tension gripped the entire Old City, which had been witnessing frequent communal incidents beginning with burglary in the Lal Darwaza temple a month ago. Filing out of the mosque, slogan-shouting crowds surged towards the Bhagya Laxmi temple, which abuts Charminar. Alleged expansion plans of the temple had become a bone of contention between two communities.
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In November 2012, Owaisi spoke in Hyderabad, referring to the police force of Andhra Pradesh using the derogatory phrase "army of impotent people". He then incited the audience by challenging the Chief Minister to remove the police and then see who has more power. He further added that they (Hindus or the police force) do not have the courage to fight Muslims.[3] Owaisi claimed in another speech that "lakhs (hundreds of thousands) of Muslims were killed after Indian independence.[3]
- In Dec 2012, Akbarruddin continues with hate-speeches. One such speech in Nirmal, Adilabad goes viral on youtube and triggers (non-violent)protests from the Hindus.
Wiki:
On December 24, 2012, Owaisi addressed a rally of twenty to twenty-five thousand people in the Nirmal town of Adilabad district of Andhra Pradesh. In his two-hour long speech, Owaisi made multiple comments against Hindus, Hindu deities, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, Vishva Hindu Parishad, Bharatiya Janata Party, Narendra Modi, India and United States of America.[6][7][8][9][10][12][18][19] In his speech, Owaisi said that the 250 million Indian Muslims needed only 15 minutes without the police to show one billion Hindus who is more powerful.[6][20] Punjab Kesari reported that Owaisi referred to the Hindus as "impotent" and the Indian police as the "impotent army".[19] He said that not even one crore impotent men can together father one child.[19] He said that these people (Hindus) cannot face the Muslims, and whenever the Muslims start dominating the Hindus, the impotent army (police) intervenes.[19][21][22][23] Owaisi said that "we (Muslims) will not let you (India or Hindus) live peacefully,"[24] and added that the Muslims could "teach the rest of the country a lesson".[12]
He was already making many such derogatory speeches and getting away without any punishments.
On December 8, 2012, while speaking at Nizamabad, Owaisi made fun of Hindu festivals by saying "we (Muslims) have only two festivals, they have so many - one every 10 days." He referred to the Bhagyalakshmi temple in Hyderabad several times as "illegal temple".[3]

On December 12, 2012, Owaisi made derogatory remarks with hand gestures about Hindu goddess Bhagyalakshmi at a public rally in Nizamabad.[3] He said making hand gestures - "She, who is sitting," and added, "What is this new name Bhagyalakshmi, never heard of her. Shout such slogans such that the Bhagya also shakes and Lakshmi also falls down." The crowd then shouted slogans of Allahu Akbar.[3]
Finally, administration is forced to take action. Akbarrudding, who was making tall challenges, fled to London. He finally returned to Hyd in Jan, 2013.
Owaisi returned to Hyderabad on January 7, 2013 and was welcomed by hundreds of supporters and MIM leaders at the Hyderabad airport.[29][35] He later drove to his house in the Banjara Hills area of the city.[35] Owaisi failed to answer police summons at Nirmal town on January 8, citing ill-health, and asked for four days' time to appear for investigation.[36] A team of doctors examined Owaisi at his home twice on January 7 and the police declared that he was fit for investigation, even though he complained of bad health.[37] Owaisi also petitioned the High Court of Andhra Pradesh to quash the cases filed against him in lower courts.[37] On January 8, doctors examined him at the Gandhi Hospital and confirmed that their tests showed no medical grounds to prevent his arrest, following which he was arrested by Hyderabad police.[12] At the Gandhi Hospital, Owaisi alleged that that the doctors were trying to murder him by giving lethal injections.[38] Owaisi was shifted to the Adilabad district jail where he is currently housed
- In Jan, 2013, muslim groups protest against Kamal Hassan's movie Vishvaroopam. State bans the movie citing security concerns. Kamal Hassan moves to court. Meanwhile, theaters in Hyd and Bangalore also do not screen the movie fearing security to threats from muslim groups.

Vishwaroopam ban: Experts criticise high court’s suggestion to Kamal Haasan
NEW DELHI: Legal experts have criticised HC's suggestion to Haasan to settle "amicably" with those objecting to the screening of his film Vishwaroopam.

Lawyers said the court should not have taken on face value the Tamil Nadu government's concern that the screening of the film could threaten law and order. "The suggestion to negotiate was unusual," says senior Supreme Court lawyer CS Vaidyanathan.

"The court has to come to the aid of the person complaining . If the judge felt the movie was objectionable... he should have dealt with it. If he felt that the apprehensions raised were trivial, it should have told the state that it has no business to raise such apprehensions."

Vaidyanathan said the division bench erred in taking the apprehensions of the state on "law and order" at face value. Citing SC rulings that frown on any censorship after a movie is cleared for release by the Central Board of Film Certification, Vaidyanathan said the apprehension expressed by the state has to be genuine.

"The court has to take a subjective decision based on examination of objective material placed by the state, it cannot be on the say so of a person," he said.
And I have only listed major incidents in major cities. Many smaller incidents are not remembered by anyone. For example:
Sushupti wrote:Image
What do 'secular', 'moderate' 'muslims' do?
Sushupti wrote:Image

A modern day Maulana Azad,masquerading as ardent nationalist in order to fight the battle for Islam from within India.
Inspector Sujata Patil defended her poetic outpouring as a mark of protest. “I wrote the poem, Azad Maidan, to mark my protest against rioters who molested my fellow policewomen and desecrated the city’s Amar Jawan Jyoti last August. I do not think it was communal,” the 46-year-old said on Saturday.

Nagrale today said Patil had tendered an unconditional apology.

In August last year, a 20,000-strong crowd had gathered at Mumbai’s Azad Maidan for a rally organised by the Ulema board’s Maulana Athar and Islamic scholar and secretary of the Mumbai-based Raza Academy, Saeed Noori, to protest attacks on Muslims in Assam and Myanmar.

The crowd soon turned violent and attacked journalists and police personnel, allegedly molested two women cops and damaged public property and vehicles.

The 700-strong police contingent, heavily outnumbered, could neither control the crowd, nor defend their women personnel. Two persons died and 63 were injured in the violence.
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Alright, someone like Dalrymplestiltskin can come and say that this happen only in South-Asia. So:

- Belgium: Muslim Mob Attacks Police Station Following Burka Check in June, 2012.

Poor innocent muslims are never at fault. Muslims only react when they are 'provoked'. It is always others who are trying to hurt sentiments of muslims. One must understand that they are very sensitive and can get 'provoked' by anything(for example, the very existence of non-muslims). Of course, when muslims are 'provoked', they go on a mob rampage actively egged on by their 'leaders' while the state watches impotently. This occurs again and again and again.

Meanwhile, mainos and mantris are busy propping up 'Hindu' terror.

One state where these 'minority' shenanigans are conspicuously absent is: you guessed it, GUJARAT!
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