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Weeks before hostilities erupted between Indian and Pakistani troops in the Kargil sector in 1999, Gen Pervez Musharraf crossed the Line of Control in a helicopter and spent a night at a location 11 km inside Indian territory, a former aide to the military ruler has said.Col (retired) Ashfaq Hussain, who was a senior officer in the Pakistan Army's media arm, said Musharraf flew across the LoC on March 28, 1999 and travelled 11 km into the Indian side.Musharraf, who was accompanied by Brig Masood Aslam, then commander of 80 Brigade, spent the night at a spot called Zikria Mustaqar, where Pakistani troops commanded by Col Amjad Shabbir were present.Musharraf, who was then army chief, returned the next day. Hussain first made the revelation in his book 'Witness to Blunder: Kargil Story Unfolds', which was published in late 2008. e repeated the assertion last night on a television talk show on the Kargil episode in the wake of Lt Gen (retd) Shahid Azziz's assertion that the intrusions by Pakistani troops were planned by a group of four generals led by Musharraf.
^ Sensationalism. Musharraf crossed LOC and came >1000 miles into indian territory during Agra-summit. So what?
India should make peace with Pakistan. There is a possibility of radical islamists get their hands on paki nuclear weapons. The only way to stop these radical islamists is for India to accept all Pakistani demands including Kashmir, Redfort, Tajmahal and Charminar. If only all indians can convert to Islam, there will be no reason for paki islamist radicals to nuke India.
The only thing stopping india from committing to this peace deal is Hindu terrorism.
Smart quote - Pakistanis are smarter. They will claim that to be another Phantom(*) victory and an Indian loss.
* Lightning is fast, but Phantom is faster.
Anujan wrote:Jasjit Singh Arora crossed into Pakistan. By the time he woke up, he wasn't in Pakistan. It was Bangladesh. Try beating that.
Has anyone been following the "Pakistani women cricket team in stadium" outrage? Apparently the chief complaint is that even though they have good accommodations in stadium club House where they have been put up due to security considerations, they are not being treated equally because other items (like India) get to stay in five star hotels.
As one pisko long ago observed, Pakistan thinks of itself as an Indian province.
Pakistan's cabinet formally agreed to hand over the operation of its strategically located Gwadar port to China on Wednesday. This puts in place China's famed "string of pearls" strategy which may have significant implications for India.
On Wednesday, the Pakistan cabinet, in one of its last decisions, transferred the operations responsibility of the Gwadar port from Singapore's PSA (Port of Singapore Authority) International to China's Overseas Port Holdings. This had been agreed some time ago as PSA International and Pakistani navy fell out over land transfers, security issues and lack of infrastructure. PSA had asked to withdraw from the contract and Pakistan had agreed.
In 2011, the Pakistani defence minister had announced in Beijing that Islamabad would transfer ownership to a Chinese company. China had demurred then, but despite the worsening security situation in Balochistan, the Chinese have apparently agreed to take it over.
China has already encountered opposition from Baloch people, who have objected to the Chinese taking over their traditional lands. And as the transition in Afghanistan draws near, that region, specially Quetta, which apparently houses top Taliban leaders, is likely to see more violence.
Gwadar was built by China but during its operation by PSA, it barely attracted any commercial traffic. There is also a lot of port development that remains to be built. Pakistan expects China to complete that construction in record time, given its past performance.
More than that, Pakistan expects China to turn Gwadar into a naval base. However, China has its work cut out. A container terminal, rail and road links from the port across Balochistan would need to be built, before China can take advantage of the port itself.
For China, Gwadar could also be a conduit for energy flows into northwestern China, by transporting oil and gas from the port through pipelines that traverse Balochistan and the federal agencies to feed into China's Xinjiang province. As China's oil imports increase, it would prefer to insulate its energy flows from the turbulent waters of the Straits of Malacca and the South China Sea.
Indian ships among others patrol the former as an anti-piracy measure. In the latter, China is involved in a territorial dispute with Vietnam and Philippines among others. In a conflict, it would be easy to shut off China's energy supplies. But not if they can be routed through Gwadar where Pakistan Navy can also add to the security.
According to recent figures, over 60% of China's imported oil travels through the Straits of Hormuz. Having Gwadar under its command would change the security dynamics for China.
As China moves into the Indian Ocean, Gwadar port would be ideal as a staging ground for Chinese ships. China already has a steady presence in Sri Lanka's Hambantota port, it is wooing Maldives, though no port presence is planned yet. China is also building a port in Chittagong, Bangladesh, as well as Sonadiya, near Cox's Bazar.
From the security point of view, India could find itself considerably constrained. It's not for nothing that India has ramped up its relations with Oman, though there is no security presence there yet. India has been pushing to develop the Iranian port of Chahbahar, but that remains a long-term project.
^ GMR got Maldives airport in competitive bidding. Did India keep it?
It is better the ToIlet stops this nonsense as if they have indian interests in their heart. This is pure nonsense and they better shut up instead of writing such nonsense.
Anujanullah, you are wishing for chicken to grow boobs...
Dear Nadir, please at least wait for a militant attack on a cricket team before you jump the gun. Given how we are going, I am sure it will happen one day, at the hands of either the Lashkar-e-Toiba or the Abhinav Bharat, and then we can decide whom to blame. Okay?
That is right, we will see imminent attacks on foreign cricket teams like the one we saw in pakiland...... by Abhinav Bharat
The element of schadenfreude in India-Pakistan bickering is an old constant – the more shit happens in one country the better the other feels about oneself. But I find it particularly acute amongst Pakistanis. It goes to such ridiculous extremes that when Manmohan Singh said he was going to address the nation on TV on the issue of FDI in retail, the military-obsessed Ejaz Haider tweeted that the Indian PM was going to tell Indians ‘why the shine’s come off India’. Hello, we got to know the truth about ‘India Shining’ back in 2004 when the BJP-led coalition lost power on that slogan. Besides, the FDI in retail issue was not about whether India is shining! Please at least keep yourself informed and updated about India; it will help you better with your India-bashing.
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I digress. Coming back to cricket in Cuttack, Mosharraf Zaidi (until recently an advisor to the Pakistani foreign ministry) is not satisfied with the explanation that the Pakistani team was put up in the stadium premises because of security reasons. He asks on Twitter, “As if hotels cannot be secured?”
Yep, had to digress. As in "bliss to include me in your next iftaar party"
The Cuttack organizers probably thought they were giving Pakistani women special privileged treatment by accommodating them at the stadium.
Pakistanis are desperately trying to get India written off the international cricketing schedule and desperately trying to win moral high ground over all Indians which they feel is their right as purer Muslims. So be prepared that Pakistanis will equate any public demonstration in India to an attack of mass murder by jihadis. Pakistanis will equate any group publicly protesting as a civic right in India to a trained armed jihadi group indoctrinated on hate literature and with a 20 year killing record.
^ It was posted here earlier. It appears that this Shi'a attack was a revenge for the Shi'as eliminating a top cleric of Jamia Binoria in Karcahi earlier, which itself was a revenge for targetted Shi'a killing in Karachi. The chain continues.
Official media and strategic analysts here on Friday played down the strategic significance of a Chinese company taking over management of Pakistan’s deep-sea Gwadar port on the Arabian Sea, stressing that Beijing’s interests were purely commercial. Islamabad earlier this week agreed to transfer control of the port project, which has struggled to take off, from a Singaporean firm to the Chinese Overseas Port Holdings company.
The Communist Party-run Global Times newspaper said in a report on Friday that the port’s major attraction to China was in providing “an alternative to the Strait of Malacca”, through which 80 per cent of China’s oil imports pass — a reliance dubbed by Chinese analysts the country’s “Malacca dilemma”. China is also considering building a pipeline from the port to its far-western Xinjiang region.
The report also hinted at China’s concerns over the slow-moving project. “Worsening security in the extremist-ridden Baluchistan, a lack of warehouse facilities, and slow pace in building rail and road links have clouded prospects that the port can soon be fully operational,” said the newspaper.
Foreign Ministry spokesperon Hong Lei told reporters at a regular briefing that China “will actively support any programme that benefits China-Pakistan relations and the prosperity of Pakistan”.
Chinese analysts have sought to play down the strategic significance of the deal. Pakistani officials were quoted as saying by local media last year that they wanted China to build a naval base at Gwadar. Wang Weihua, a scholar at the Shanghai Institutes for International Studies, told the official China Daily newspaper that “the Gwadar project as a port, and not as a naval base, may provide supplies for Chinese merchant ships and escort vessels”. Chinese investment, he added, “can help Islamabad to better develop the Baluchistan province and help boost Islamabad’s influence in the Muslim world”.
A commentary in the Global Times on Friday also sought to address any anxieties in India over China’s involvement in port projects in the neighbourhood – Beijing is also involved in port construction in Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Myanmar.
“Due to China’s rise, many Chinese companies’ overseas activities have been painted with a heavy military tint.
If observers interpret China’s every move on the premise that China’s rise will definitely challenge the current international order, all China’s overseas moves would be seen as having a military purpose,” the commentary said.
“In fact,” it continued, “China is not so powerful, nor is India so weak, so as to make it possible that the transfer of a mere civil project can ‘encircle’ India.”
Militants attacked an isolated army checkpost in Pakistan's restive northwest on Saturday, with at least 31 people killed in the initial assault, subsequent crossfire and a rocket attack on a house, officials said.
The Pakistan Taliban claimed responsibility, saying the attack was in response to a US drone strike in neighbouring North Waziristan last month in which two commanders were killed.
The Pakistani military and pro-government militias have since 2009 regained territory from the Pakistan Taliban, who once controlled land a few hours' drive from the capital of Islamabad.
krithivas wrote:Another honest question - If the volume of such martyred accelerate, how does the heavens guarantee the Houri commitment (72 per soul)? Can there be defaults? Does the Q or opinions from scholars address such black swan events?
Well, my chaiwalla from Deoband gives away this secret to me. As soon as they reach heaven they realize that there are grand total of 72 hoors arranged for ALL of them together. All 72 have a common name. 'Virgin'. The average age of these hoors is more than 72 and look even older due to excessive workload throughout their career.
Highly NSFW and not be seen while eating food (not even popcorn).
Watch from 14:00
Pakis are now munching
>Dead animals from disease and flood - Buffaloes as shown in the video.
>Turd like Vanaspati extracted from decomposing carcasses - Buffaloes , Donkeys , Horses. (i suspect even dogs and humans)
Hopefully all those Chapli Kebabs and "thick and rich" gravies which our fat arsed WKKs stuff their faces with in La'Whore and Karachi are oozing with this turdish material and may this halve the time left for them to really reach their aman ki asha Jahunum .
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A match made in heaven, Shitistan being run by someone who is blaming the current state of paki affairs to the country being run by politicians having fake degrees!!!!
Ulta chor kotwal.......
Anujan wrote:I said half opens for a reason. A sensible person would have retorted that if Pakistani team feels discriminated despite special arrangements
1. Why are you still visiting?
2. Why is it that Indians hate Pakistanis and not Sri lankans or Bangladeshis? After all a srilankan killed our PM.
This guy is uber WKK. While there are lot of rubbish equal equals and most likely he will write a compensatory article next, I am surprised that he wrote such an article at all. Obviously we can't expect him to become BRF oldie in a short span. If *this* guy can be affected by Pakistaniyat, I am sure lot of regular folks would be disgusted by the pigsty.
A spokesman of ISPR has termed the Human Rights Watch (HRW) recent report a pack of lies, propaganda driven and totally biased. He said it is yet another attempt to malign Pakistan and its institutions through fabricated and unverified reports, Completely favouring an anti Pakistan agenda. The HRW has based its opinion on imprecise facts and biased views.
The HRW report seems to be a clear attempt to further fuel already ongoing scectarian violence and to create chaos and disorder in Pakistan. HRW has no credibility and has been criticized world wide for raising controversies through its biased reports and funding from certain quarters and its reports have been rejected by many countries of the world.
KARACHI: A major fire broke out in a Naval Police Headquarters located at Shahra e Faisal in the wee hours of Sunday, fire brigade official said.According to ISPR, the fire broke out in a barrack which was empty at that time. It said that cause of the fire has yet to be ascertained.18 fire brigade vehicles and snorkels are busy in extinguishing the fire, ISPR said. Meanwhile, emergency has also been imposed in Jinnah hospital.
Anantha wrote:Pakis were all out for 49 today against Saffers. Pakis have scaled skiied down to a new low, their lowest total in tests. Inshaalah may these lowness continue.
http://ispr.gov.pk/Gyari%20Shuhada.pdf
This pdf seems to be a link to all those who met their 72 in the Siachen avalanche. Why does it say "100%" after the word "wife" - as if some men had 50% or 33% wives?
There indeed are some 50% wives in that list. My guess is that this was how compensation was paid out. Note the list of workers no photos who were at the base at the end. Also the long list of unmarried.
Theo_Fidel wrote:There indeed are some 50% wives in that list. My guess is that this was how compensation was paid out. Note the list of wives who were at the base at the end. Also the long list of unmarried.
Yes it seems to denote share of compensation... Many of these barbaric animals show 2 wives... If this is the story of ordinary sepoys, what about jarnails? Wonder where they find so many women.... May be recycling same among various ghazis after talaq? Puts paid to the lie of secular liars that its not demographically possible for many to have two or more wives.... This random sample, had so many, amongst ordinary men
shiv wrote:http://ispr.gov.pk/Gyari%20Shuhada.pdf
This pdf seems to be a link to all those who met their 72 in the Siachen avalanche. Why does it say "100%" after the word "wife" - as if some men had 50% or 33% wives?
This refers to the amount of insurance money in percentage terms that the deceased had allotted to his wife. In many cases a portion of such insurance amount, say 33% may be allotted to the mother or sister or whatever.
Take a look at serial 4 He has allotted 50% equally to each of his two wives.
4. PJO-141544 N/Sub Khurshid Ahmed S/O
Mir Fateh Ali
(82201-7877839-7)
Vill : Kel Bala
P/O : Kel
Teh : Sharda Neelum
Dist: Neelum
Muzaffarabad
Phulang Hoor
(1st
Wife) 50%
Khanum Noor
(2nd
Wife) 50%
X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread.
Death toll in the Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden religious motivated demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan on Friday, the day of the Mohammadden Sabbath, in Hangu climbs to 27.
It boggles the mind that a religion whose adherents claim is the religion of peace not infrequently sees violence targeting people for nothing more than following a different variant of Mohammaddenism that to on the day of the Mohammadden Sabbath of Friday in a country, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, that is self-claimed to have been founded as a safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent. :
Aditya_V wrote:Is the Pak Army or the ever self sacrificing Frontier Constablury.
Confirmation that the Green on Green violence in Serai Naurang near Lakki Marwat was also a case of the Ununiformed Jihadi’s taking on the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. The Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan suffered 9 dead while the Frontier Constabulary suffered 4 dead.
Apparently lots of excitement in the military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as three of the slain Ununiformed Jihadi’s were not ……… ahem ……… Circumscribed .
What’s with this homo-erotic obsession of taking a peek at the privates of the dead by the uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan?
To gurus,
Can we interpret GOI moves as chankian of the greatest degree?By professing amankey asha,we are letting pakhanastan auto-cannibalise itself giving them no chance to gang up?
TSPA personnel are being sent to jannat,not just FC men.Also Lakki marwat is in KP,not FATA.This is causing enormous khujli in deffndumb forums.
