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Carl wrote: OK. Could you explain what exactly Govindacharya types are doing that makes them "enemy of the national aspirations of the state"? Thanks.

For example, what is this "mukhota, mukhota" business about Vajpayee that he carried on for few years?
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http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 130301.htm
Jaitley not the only BJP leader victim of call snooping
The snooping row surrounding Bharatiya Janata Party leader Arun Jaitley appears set to explode into a bigger controversy after the main conspirator reportedly claimed that attempts were made to access the call detail records of over 60 persons, including that of top BJP leaders.

As per reports, private detective Anurag Singh attempted to extract CDRs of over 60 persons including Nitin Gadkari, Vijay Goyal, Lalit Modi, and Sudhanshu Mittal.

Mittal, while confirming that he was in touch with Anurag Singh, told a news channel, "We have been victimised. Our CDRs have been accessed."

Anurag Singh was remanded in judicial custody by a Delhi court on Feb 26. He was earlier accused of tapping the phone of former Samajwadi Party leader Amar Singh in 2005.

The other three accused -- constable Arvind Dabas, Neeraj and Nitish -- are also in judicial custody.
This is a government of spies like James Bond and when any government functions in a mafia style then the people of this country does not forgive it. This is a serious crime," said BJP spokesperson Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi.

However, Water Resources Minister Harish Rawat on Friday termed the attempt to tap phones of BJP leaders as an internal operation of the BJP.

"According to information this phone tapping of BJP leaders is their internal operation. A part of their personal tussle," Harish Rawat said.
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Wharton calling, Narendra Modi is US-bound

HT Correspondents, Hindustan Times
Ahmedabad/Mumbai, March 02, 2013

Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi’s courtship with the US may take some more time to produce results, but he is definitely all set to get some mileage there. Modi is scheduled to deliver the keynote address at the Wharton India Economic Forum (WIEF) at The Penn Museum in Philadelphia via live videoconference.

The 17th WIEF conference, Changing Seas: Steering for Growth, will be held on March 23. WIFE is an annual student-run India-centric conference hosted by the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania.

Modi will talk on government and policy and the ‘Gujarat model of development’.

Earlier, even after being denied a visa in 2005, Modi addressed the Gujarati community in the US via videoconference. :(( / :mrgreen: Now, increasingly being seen as BJP’s potential PM candidate, Modi addressed the students of Delhi’s Shri Ram College of Commerce on February 7.

The UK, too, had denied a diplomatic visa to Modi, forcing him to cancel his London visit after the 2002 riots in which three British nationals were also killed. But during the electioneering in Gujarat earlier this year, it changed its policy.

A group of students and faculty at the University of Pennsylvania have started a campaign to oppose Modi’s talk. The group has so far received more than 150 signatures.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 19786.aspx
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^^^^
I think Wharton is Ambani alma mater.
Also has made some donations to it.
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Anil Ambani went to Wharton. Mukesh Ambani went to Stanford.
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Supratik wrote:
Carl wrote: OK. Could you explain what exactly Govindacharya types are doing that makes them "enemy of the national aspirations of the state"? Thanks.

For example, what is this "mukhota, mukhota" business about Vajpayee that he carried on for few years?
Responded here:
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“Power of Wharton Knowledge” wilting at Leftist Activism over Narendra Modi ?
Today the NDTV’s Surabhi Malik filed this report from Washington DC claiming a move by the University to ask the student body to disinvite Mr. Modi:
The management at Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania is reportedly apprehensive about having Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi as one of the keynote speakers at the prestigious Wharton India Economic Forum to be held in Philadelphia in March, sources have said.

sources now say that the management might ask for Mr Modi to be removed from the speakers’ list.
http://blog.offstumped.in/2013/03/02/po ... ndra-modi/
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No election ticket to party traitors, says Rahul Gandhi
The Congress vice-president visited Mumbai and interacted with office bearers of Maharashtra.
Party traitors == dynasty traitors == consummate evil. So when dyansty's milord orders no tickets to 'em scum by fiat, that is it.

However, while traitors to the party will get no tickets, in a significant omission, RG remained silent on whether traitors to the nation will get Cong tickets or not.... :twisted:
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Would have been nice if NM could address the wharton desi forum crowd. But as happened with SSwamy, the psec-left-lib crowd is overly strong at the univ level in the US (not sure if it will have as much hold at the B-school level, though).

NM should quietly go ahead with whatever he has been doing. Barking dogs seldom stopped caravans now, did they...
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https://twitter.com/UtsavMitra/twitternrega

TwitterNREGA
A public list by Utsav Mitra
Overt or covert Congress supporters and potential 'digital volunteers' of the I&B Ministry
A good list to keep track of the congrezi gang without actually following them
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Hari Seldon wrote:Would have been nice if NM could address the wharton desi forum crowd. But as happened with SSwamy, the psec-left-lib crowd is overly strong at the univ level in the US (not sure if it will have as much hold at the B-school level, though).

NM should quietly go ahead with whatever he has been doing. Barking dogs seldom stopped caravans now, did they...
NaMo has till date built many mansions with the bricks thrown at him, this will be no different .
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Hari Seldon wrote:Would have been nice if NM could address the wharton desi forum crowd. But as happened with SSwamy, the psec-left-lib crowd is overly strong at the univ level in the US (not sure if it will have as much hold at the B-school level, though).

NM should quietly go ahead with whatever he has been doing. Barking dogs seldom stopped caravans now, did they...
There have been some reported objections from some of the other speakers. javed akthar and his poisonous wife are among the other speakers.
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Pretty much all of INC starting from Sachin Pilot and Kanishka Singh has been to Wharton. A NM administration must keep such East Coast bad rubbish at a distance.
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So the country that claims to be " the citadel of free speech" is the one that is has the largest contingent of retards opposing the entry of Modi and to Modi conveying his views on governance...Interesting !!!

Lets see how this pans out. The Dynasty and Dynasty supporters should be given the same degree of freedom in expressing their views, as they hand out to Modi.
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Denying visa to NM on trumped up charges is interfering in the internal affairs of India. The Indian-American community is divided into nationalists and leftists (I think calling leftists liberal is an oxymoron) in collaboration with Paki and other fringe elements. The last time his visa denial was extended the likes of Jaffri's son and Angana Chatterjee testified before the relevant committee. If I were NM and I got into the hot seat I would make sure that the US had a very hard time getting my attention. At the moment his interacting with the US is not going to make an electoral difference IMO.
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I dont think he should ever visit the US or UK unless their india ambassador personally hand delivers diplomatic passport and escorts him to the airport in a CD numberplate vehicle.
and there needs to be atleast 10 dark black escalades with SD staffers awaiting on the tarmac and a single BCIS guy with a rubber stamp to welcome his arrival there :)
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Biography of Narendra Modi
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Hari Seldon wrote:No election ticket to party traitors, says Rahul Gandhi
The Congress vice-president visited Mumbai and interacted with office bearers of Maharashtra.
Party traitors == dynasty traitors == consummate evil. So when dyansty's milord orders no tickets to 'em scum by fiat, that is it.

However, while traitors to the party will get no tickets, in a significant omission, RG remained silent on whether traitors to the nation will get Cong tickets or not.... :twisted:
Please do that. In AP anyone who opposed the Party decision to grant Telangana are all party traitors. Please deny tickets to Kavuri, Lagadapati, Rayapati, and all of them. Please clean up the party of these traitors.
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Narendra Modi for PM clamour grows as Rajnath Singh lauds the Gujarat CM at BJP national executive meet

Another day, another MSM hype-up of routine issues to garner eyeballs. No doubt at all that the NM brand sells like hot cakes amongst the educated middle class+ in India aajkal.
Modi's popularity among the BJP office-bearers from across the country, who have gathered here for the conclave, was apparent with the crowd breaking into applause each time his name was mentioned.

Though the main task before this National Council is the ratification of Rajnath Singh's presidentship and no announcement of a national role for Modi is in the offing, the Gujarat chief minister was the star of the meet.

Delhi BJP chief Vijay Goel set the stage when he announced that it appears as if not Manmohan Singh but Modi is the Prime Minister of the country.
And so on and so forth only.
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After boycott threat, Narendra Modi 'retreats' from printing industry conference

After boycott threat, Narendra Modi 'retreats' from printing industry conference


An annual conference of printing industry, which ran into controversy after some of the participants pulled out protesting against an invite to Narendra Modi, was held here today, without the Gujarat Chief Minister.

A Gujarat Government official said Modi, who is in the national capital for BJP's National Executive Meeting, had not accepted the invitation to be the chief guest and a keynote speaker at the day-long conference.


It was third edition of conference of the printing industry – "Romancing Print 2013" – to find new avenues for business.

First held in 2011, the conference was developed with the intention to focus on core elements of the printing business and was based this time on the theme "Care".

"By 'Care' we mean those aspects that can help you remain in business as well as increase profit margins and find new vistas in the field," said Conference Chairman Satish Malhotra.

Those who addressed the conference included motivational speaker Shyam Taneja, Heidelberg's Ashokan Krishnamoorthy and journalist Vijay Kumar Chopra.


Earlier this week, several members of the All India Federation of Maste Printers, which organised the event, withdrew from it to protest the participation of Narendra Modi as the chief guest.


Two of the media partners for the event – Mumbai-based Printweek India and Delhi-based Indian Printer and Publisher (IPP) - had withdrawn their support to the event, according to Indu Chandrasekhar of Tulika Books.


The conference was organised by All India Federation of Master Printers (AIFMP) in association with PRESSIdeas.
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Hmm...

Looks like Congress system stratgy is to deny any platform for NM to reach out the public after the SRCC fiasco (for them).

The students of SRCC were able to decide whom to invite as the keynote speaker. It may not be that easy in the business circles where C-system is entrenched.

So NM should use Gandhi strategy. Go direct to people. DDM will try to scuttle this. So he need to play smartly and carefully.

May Paramatma bless him all the auspiciousness.
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India’s pro-Obama government may be on its last legs

by Ramtanu Maitra on 01 Mar 2013



http://www.vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=2702

A series of money scams, high inflation, a significant slowdown of
India’s much-touted economic growth, and currying favor with the
globalization crowd at the expense of India’s vast majority of poor,
have brought the Manmohan Singh-led United Progressive Alliance (UPA) to its knees. With a year to go before the next general elections, the
government has very few straws to grasp at right now. The Alliance, if
it can hold itself together until the death knell tolls, has really no
possibility of getting back into power.


It should be noted that during the last general election in 2009, people
did not give a mandate to any party, but the Alliance somehow managed to survive because the opposition to it was unimaginative and equally
incompetent, if not reeking with corruption.

An Alternative?

This time around, some people in India have begun to assert that indeed an
alternative does exist, in the person of a state leader, Narendra Modi,
who is also a leader of the only other national party of note in India,
the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). Modi, who was elected for the third
time in the state of Gujarat, is not a household name across the
country, although many have heard of his successes as chief minister in
Gujarat. Modi’s efforts for development and his ability to keep his
stable clean have drawn attention and pose a challenge to the inept and
increasingly dysfunctional UPA.


Gujarat today is considered a good example of what can be achieved under solid
leadership that is not in power simply to facilitate favors to one
coterie or another. Gujarat is surely the most desired target in India
for investors - manufacturers in particular.

A senior Indian commentator in a recent website posting pointed out that
Modi has strong support from the young. “He is not a complainer. He does things exactly as the young do. Modi is like an entrepreneur who knows
how to squeeze the best out of the system. Modi is a wealth-creator,
precisely what the young seek, and the Gujarat chief minister, unlike
Manmohan Singh and other World Bank/IMF economists” who are in power in
Delhi “is at home with the Indian model.” He comes across as an outsider to New Delhi politics and India is tired of insiders who have come to
be represented by the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty in the main, the commentator
added.
:?:

If Modi is indeed as good as some say, it is important that he emerge as
the prime minister-in- waiting. Apart from the fact that it is not
evident how many Indians have a clear image of who he is or what he
could deliver, his biggest obstacle could be his own party leaders who
have enmeshed themselves with the corruption that has become the
hallmark of the Manmohan Singh-led government. A quartet consisting of
LK Advani, Sushma Swaraj, Arun Jaitley, and Nitin Gadkari of the RSS has not only played along with the corrupt UPA administration, but is
believed by some to have enriched themselves financially from the scams
perpetrated by those whom they purport to oppose. The quartet, unwilling to address India’s real problems, has never shaped a political agenda
that would address reality and build popular support.
{D4:mrgreen: }

That reality is that 400-500 million people live without electricity and
many more millions lack safe drinking water; that millions of children
do not have any opportunity for a fair lot in life; that millions of
poor who live from hand to mouth cannot survive with year after year of
10% or higher inflation; that this nation of 1.2 billion people will not be able to assume its rightful place in the world unless these 400-500
million are provided with education, skill, and a life that offers them
hope.

In all likelihood, this quartet will do its very best to quietly soil
Modi’s positive image and in the process help the failed UPA to secure
yet another term of five years in office
.

Obama’s Guru: Manmohan Singh

President Obama calls Prime Minister Manmohan Singh his economic “guru.” The “success” of Singh’s chela (disciple) in pushing the United States to a path of unmitigated
disaster on every front should not come as a surprise. While Obama is a
handmaiden of the Wall Street-City of London financial mafia, Singh
comes virtually from the same stable. His education at Oxford and his
years with the World Bank imbued him with the absurd notion that money
is the economy, and his ten-year tenure as Prime Minister in India shows that he never grasped, nor even tried to grasp, what a national economy is, or what creates national wealth.


Neither Singh’s Congress Party, the single largest party in the 2009 general
elections, nor Manmohan Singh himself, were the people’s choice. The
Congress Party bagged less than 25% of the parliamentary seats. The UPA
cobbled together state parties lured by Cabinet positions (if not by
money outright), to gain a majority. Singh never even ran in the
election.

Manmohan Singh is a packaged product delivered from outside by the international financial and corporate power-brokers who saw him as the pawn that he
is. He was foisted upon the Indian people by Congress Party president
Sonia Gandhi, the Italian-born widow of Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi (d.
1989). Singh was sold to the electorate as an economist, an honest and
apolitical technocrat. All those qualities have now pretty much
vanished.


Bowing to the Financial Mafia

This is why - Singh is considered by many in India as the most pro-US Indian politician ever to sit in the prime minister’s chair. The problem is
that the United States that Manmohan Singh kowtows to so slavishly is
currently led by a financial-corporate mafia whose principal objective
is to use the military to indiscriminately kill people anywhere in the
world and to create toxic financial instruments to suck out the real
wealth of other nations. They have their collaborators within India’s
corporations, many of which have become global. This mafia “likes”
Manmohan Singh because he believes in “reform” - by which he and they
mean unshackling the Indian economy from its legacy of state-controlled
“bondage,” and paving the way for the global corporations to grab up
large chunks of India’s economy.


Last November, millions in India took to the streets to vent their anger
over a move which could see international bulk retailers like Tesco,
Carrefour, and Wal-Mart, entering the $500 billion Indian consumer
retail market. Last week, millions participated in a general strike
protesting two recent decisions of the UPA government: preparing the
ground for Tesco, Wal-Mart, et al to enter India’s retail sector, and
allowing corporations to open up private banks. Earlier, protesting
against Singh’s Foreign Direct Investment (FDI - some in India call it
the “Foreign Destruction of India”) reform policy, which helped foreign
companies like Wal-Mart to enter the lucrative Indian retail market, a
key ally, Trinamool Congress, the ruling party in the state of West
Bengal, left the UPA, making it a minority alliance in the Indian
Parliament.

Why Singh and his two major props, the finance minister and the deputy
chairman of the Planning Commission, took such extreme risks to satisfy
Wal-Mart while facing such strong public opposition and political danger is not hard to explain.
Wal-Mart prepared its entry into India in 2010
with a $100 million investment into a consultancy that had no employees, no profits, and a scant $14,000 in revenue. The company, called Cedar
Support Services, is now the focus of an investigation by India’s
financial crimes watchdog, to find out whether the company broke the FDI rules by putting money into a retailer before the government had thrown open the sector to other global players.

The pressure on Singh to push the FDI reform bill surely came from
higher-ups who are not Indian, but global. The US wish list vis-à-vis
India - from nuclear commerce to Wal-Mart’s entry into the Indian market - as former Indian Ambassador M.K. Bhadrakumar pointed out in an
article, is lying on Obama’s desk. Obama would have known that changes
were likely in the stewardship of India’s finance ministry. The Western
media had been criticizing then-Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee as the main hurdle in the way of “reform”; he was shoved out in July 2012 and
made the President of India - a position of great honor, but almost zero political power.

The Obama Administration has acknowledged Singh’s delivery to the financial mafia of at least one item from the White House’s wish list. On Feb.
12, US Undersecretary of the Treasury for International Affairs Lael
Brainard told reporters ahead of the G-20 Meeting of Finance Ministers
and Central Bank Governors in Moscow: “I have been very favorably
impressed by some of the recent reform efforts undertaken by the Indian
government. We have seen some important reform commitments subsequent to that, which I think bode well. Of course he is going to continue to
want to improve its investment in areas such as infrastructure and in
financial markets to enable more vibrant investment response. We support those efforts, and we’re going to continue to engage India through our
bilateral dialogue and also in the G-20.”

In addition to this endorsement of Singh’s penchant for “reform,” last
December, Goldman Sachs issued a statement expressing its continuing
faith in Manmohan Singh, while asking for yet another pound of flesh.
“India in many ways remains the most complex of the four [BRIC nations,
Brazil, Russia, India, China], with its demographics giving it the best
potential GDP growth rate, but its inability to introduce effective
policy change is a persistent source of disappointment,” said Goldman
Sachs Asset Management Chairman Jim O’Neill.

“This being said, there are lots of policy changes being discussed and the
Indian stock market seems to be quite excited about something. We think
2013 Indian GDP will probably exceed expectations, as there are indeed
signs that policymakers might also positively surprise,” O’Neill added.
He did not put any figures to his estimates.

The Headley Fiasco

Besides the UPA’s slavish approach, led by Obama’s guru, there is yet another
giveaway that Manmohan Singh turns almost into an invertebrate when it
comes to standing up to irrational and dangerous diktats of the Obama
Administration. For instance, consider the case of David Headley, a
terrorist.

The Mumbai attack in November 2008 is considered by Indians as similar to
the US 9/11 in all its dimensions. There was never a question that the
people in India wanted to punish all those who were involved in
committing that crime. David Headley, an American, who was an FBI
agent-cum Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist-cum drug runner, made public under a plea bargain that he was in Mumbai doing reconnaissance work for the
attackers. Headley was tried in the US courts and given a 35-year
sentence. Why did the Singh government authorize the United States to
enter into a plea bargain with a terrorist wanted in India? Or, why did
the prime minister not stand up against it?

Headley was deeply implicated in a massive terrorist operation within India.
Prior to his sentencing, the Singh government declared that India wanted him to receive the death penalty. However, the Obama Administration’s
Attorney General Eric Holder announced that the United States would not
extradite him to India unless he was to violate the terms of his plea
bargain. As one senior Indian commentator pointed out, this was an
“unreachable lollipop for Manmohan Singh and his pro-American cabinet.”


The author is South Asian Analyst at Executive Intelligence Review
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I like this turn of events in Delhi and Wharton. It basically confirms that it is now legitimate to register one's protest against an elected Indian government by boycotting the said government's presence....All it takes is for someone to calculate the total negative accrued to India on account of the Dynasty in terms of lost growth, loss of legitimate democracy and millions left to rot and die because of the pathetic governance track record of the Dynasty - and a case can built up against the Family that is far more of an indictment than anything ever mentioned against Modi.
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RamaY wrote:Hmm...

Looks like Congress system stratgy is to deny any platform for NM to reach out the public after the SRCC fiasco (for them).

The students of SRCC were able to decide whom to invite as the keynote speaker. It may not be that easy in the business circles where C-system is entrenched.

So NM should use Gandhi strategy. Go direct to people. DDM will try to scuttle this. So he need to play smartly and carefully.

May Paramatma bless him all the auspiciousness.
Why there is no retaliation from RSS/BJP to these vicious nip in the bud kind of attacks?
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What retaliation they can do?

Try to read this way. The RSS/BJP elements in Printing Industry Chamber of commerce (PICC) invite Modi. The congress elements oppose this move. Sinc the majority lies with congress system, BJP/RSS faction loses this proposal.

Yes they can make a mess and cancel the whole PICC annual meet. But that is not their social role. The business meet must go on as their main social duty is to develop this industry sector.

This will repeat in every industry.

What can BJP/RSS elements do? Encourage Modi in the areas they dominate. This is exactly what happened in SRCC case. Majority students opted for Modi, eventhough they are not overt RSS/BJP cadres. Of course they will be blamed thus ;)

There are two solutions
- NM goes to common public (which is the real audience and voting group) directly and connects with them. It will take a term or two for the business and media groups to fall in line.
- BJP/RSS elements split from these chambers of commerce and make their own chambers and invite NM. I am not sure what this would accomplish in the long run.
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Far too much is being made of the Wharton matter. They are an external institution, and whether or not they invite or disinvite Modi is ultimately their problem. For Modi himself, there is no bad publicity here. If he's invited, he wins. If his invitation is taken away, he's a man facing the pettiness of others and again wins. Modi should retain an ABV demeanor and not go down to that level of pettiness - he's not losing anything here; his political acceptability continues to grow with each utterance of 'we are open to alliances'. The political process ultimately is a very efficient process - it recognizes a winning poll momentum and attempts to ally with it. The UPA has no momentum - it depends entirely on Modi and BJP screwing up, or splitting the NDA vote. The problem is that the BJP are good at screwing up, and UPA are very good at political maneuvering...
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RamaY wrote: - NM goes to common public (which is the real audience and voting group) directly and connects with them. It will take a term or two for the business and media groups to fall in line.

+ 1. In India there is no other option than to get into the mud. The PM is unlikely to be decided at the US visa office or Wharton, CTs notwithstanding.
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^^^^
good points.

Any publicity is more or less in negative for NaMo -- actually has thrived on it.
In fact any publicity is good for NaMo - as more neutral folks will get to know him.
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Sushupti wrote:Image
Her stock has fallen precipitiously in the recent months amongst paid congi media.
So far she has not wavered in her writings.
Madhu kishwar is one rare person who writes as she sees it.
keep it up.
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Vedant ‏@ved1408

@sorbonne75 Rise of NaMo has some striking similarities with the way hitler rose in Germany. Hasn't it?
B.RAMAN ‏@SORBONNE75

@ved1408 I myself had this concern before, but no longer.We shd evaluate NaMo fairly & objectively.
B.RAMAN ‏@SORBONNE75

NaMo shd come out of the Gujrat well and be seen & heard more & more nationally sans getting involved in contentious debates.
NaMo shd come out of the Gujrat well and be seen & heard more & more nationally sans getting involved in contentious debates.
from B Raman,

changing attitudes. Seeing his recent tweets, has undergone radical transformation-- U turn. :mrgreen:
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Secularists and leftists are like weasels. They poke their head out of the ground when it suits them and then run back into their hole when the hawk circles overhead. They don't have what it takes to take India forward. If Modi becomes PM many of these guys will go into early retirement and live a comfortable life in the west by writing books about India mired by the numerous -isms for their type A personality college student fan base who only see social justice everywhere they look.
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/opi ... 740894.cms
If you were looking for another example that illustrates the yawning disconnect between the UPA government and the people of this country, then Budget 2013 is a good start. This Budget is a piecemeal exercise, and it appears that the UPA somehow wants to play safe and complete its period in office before it faces general elections in 2014.

This Budget reflects that desperation and, hence, has disappointed people at large. There is no direction for improving the growth rate; nor is there any linkage of the Budget with the 12th Five-Year Plan. This being their last executable Budget, UPA has lost this opportunity to do something good for the country.

Today, India is facing a crisis; we are at a critical juncture. We are facing the threat of downgrade in ratings, declining growth, dismal job creation, acute shortage of skilled workers, high current account deficit and fiscal deficit, total lack of new projects and decrease in investment in infrastructure.

But has the UPA Budget addressed any of these issues? Against the much-needed Rs 55 lakh crore for infrastructure development, the Budget attempts to mobilise a meagre Rs 50,000 crore through tax-free bonds and infrastructure debt bonds, and that too in the backdrop of policy paralysis. This Budget has also failed to address one of the grave problems of shortage of skilled workers, something that even US President Barack Obama has taken note of. The UPA government has allocated a mere Rs 1,000 crore for skill development.

Contrast that with the Rs 800 crore that just one state, Gujarat, has allocated for skill development. Moreover, there is no move to bring down the total outstanding debt from the level of 40% of GDP.

The attempt to keep the fiscal deficit below 5.2% in current year and 4.8% in 2013-14 without any clear measures to mop up tax revenues and increase the collection efficiency leads us to only expect cuts in development spending. This would further affect the investments and, therefore, the creation of jobs. Moreover, the Centre may resort to arbitrary cut in allocation to states.

The move to set up the 'world's first public sector women's bank' is a mockery of facts. Cooperative banks, including those for women, are functioning for long in Gujarat. But it is unfortunate that the UPA government is levying income tax on them, and making them unviable. There are other issues like tax collection.

The states have been requesting the Centre to address the issue of deficit of trust that hinders the creation of consensus on indirect tax reforms. It can be seen that CST compensation has been budgeted at Rs 9,000 crore.

However, for Gujarat alone, the outstanding claims of compensation will be Rs 3,800 crore. This provision, totally inadequate, will hinder the march towards GST. One cannot help wondering if the announcement of PMGSY- II for mostly Congress-ruled states such as Andhra, Maharashtra, Haryana and Rajasthan wasn't driven solely by political bias. To conclude, I would say that the common man will continue to feel the pinch of price rise, the unemployment of the youth will continue and investors will experience economic uncertainty.

Even where on paper some projects are shown and allocations done, given the poor record of governance of the UPA and corruption that plagues this regime, it is doubtful whether these measures will ever be implemented in the desired spirit. This Budget lacks vision and is devoid of any strategy for growth of the nation or welfare of its people. But to its credit, a disconnected and desperate UPA has been consistent in disappointing the country.
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RamaY wrote:What retaliation they can do?

Try to read this way. The RSS/BJP elements in Printing Industry Chamber of commerce (PICC) invite Modi. The congress elements oppose this move. Sinc the majority lies with congress system, BJP/RSS faction loses this proposal.

Yes they can make a mess and cancel the whole PICC annual meet. But that is not their social role. The business meet must go on as their main social duty is to develop this industry sector.

This will repeat in every industry.

What can BJP/RSS elements do? Encourage Modi in the areas they dominate. This is exactly what happened in SRCC case. Majority students opted for Modi, eventhough they are not overt RSS/BJP cadres. Of course they will be blamed thus ;)

There are two solutions
- NM goes to common public (which is the real audience and voting group) directly and connects with them. It will take a term or two for the business and media groups to fall in line.
- BJP/RSS elements split from these chambers of commerce and make their own chambers and invite NM. I am not sure what this would accomplish in the long run.
I was talking about colonial connection of the Dynasty. If i were in position of RSS/BJP leader position i would create non state actors with deniability and direct them (only verbal no physical attacks) towards Dynasty. Many in cow belt still sincerely believes Dynasty to be Brahmins.
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Sushupti ji, with due respect why not you? You are articulate; I have full faith that you have greater good of the nation at heart. Why don't you? Why leave it to RSS or BJP (whom you have on many occasion accused of being sold out, by that, I am not accusing or instigating you, but pointing towards the fact that they are either incapable or their allegiance is suspect). I understand that you have a living to earn, but I assume you do spend few hours every day at BR. Do that search, point out here, go and paste at other location on the web. Maybe that you have done the hard work already, some with wider audience reach will pick it up and run with it.
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fanne wrote:Sushupti ji, with due respect why not you? You are articulate; I have full faith that you have greater good of the nation at heart. Why don't you? Why leave it to RSS or BJP (whom you have on many occasion accused of being sold out, by that, I am not accusing or instigating you, but pointing towards the fact that they are either incapable or their allegiance is suspect). I understand that you have a living to earn, but I assume you do spend few hours every day at BR. Do that search, point out here, go and paste at other location on the web. Maybe that you have done the hard work already, some with wider audience reach will pick it up and run with it.
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Looks like i touched some raw nerve. I would ignore the ad-hominem. But don't you think there is something seriously wrong or hidden which we all can't see. Even a EX-RSS chief is dropped like a hot potato and left at the mercy of dynasty barking dogs.
Ex-RSS chief Sudarshan in eye of storm over anti-Sonia remark

NEW DELHI: Former RSS chief K S Sudarshan was Thursday in the eye of a storm following his derogatory remarks against Sonia Gandhi, provoking the Congress to launch an offensive against the sangh parivar.

On its part, the RSS distanced itself from the controversial comments.

Reacting angrily to Sudarshan's remarks, AICC general secretary Janardan Dwivedi said that the reaction of the society should be such that no one dare speak in such language in future.

Branding Sudarshan as a "fossil", he lamented that a person associated with an organisation which boasts of culture and decency should stoop so low by using such a derogatory language and make false charges.

"If someone gets agitated then who is responsible... everybody has a right to oppose such things... if Congressmen and people the country do something (untoward), they (RSS) will be responsible for it," Dwivedi said.

Congress members also rocked Parliament over the issue, with treasury bench members in the Rajya Sabha storming the Well holding copies of a Hindi daily in which Sudarshan's comments appeared.

Hitting out at Sudarshan, parliamentary affairs minister Pawan Bansal said the Sangh leader has lost his mental balance and demanded an apology from the BJP.

While interacting with the media in Bhopal on Wednesday, Sudarshan had called Gandhi a CIA agent and accused her of plotting assassinations of her husband and former Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi and his mother Indira Gandhi.

"The BJP, which draws its inspiration from the RSS, should apologise for it," Bansal told reporters outside Parliament.

Seeking to steer clear from the controversy, the BJP distanced itself from Sudershan's statement, saying Gandhi was an elected representative and should be treated with respect.

"As a democratically elected leader she (Gandhi) should be respected. She is the chairperson of a ruling coalition and as a democratically elected Indian leader she deserves our respect. Whatever political differences we have with her must be addressed within an accepted, democratic framework and behaviour," BJP spokesperson Tarun Vijay said here.

The RSS distanced itself from the issue, saying Sudarshan's views were not that of the organisation.

"The RSS has noted with concern reports in a section of the media attributing it to former Sar Sanghchalak K S Sudarshan. However, those are not the opinions of the RSS," the organisation's spokesperson Ram Madhav said.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... ed-remarks
Therefore, question is why RSS/BJP so helpless and defensive or may be some Chanikyan strategy ?.
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First Sushuptiji,
Please decrease your aham a little. If you looked hard, we are in the same team. And to answer your question, no you did not touch a raw nerve. I don't buy your theory that RSS/BJP is sold out, that does not mean than I am in any way a less of a person (even PBUH does not demand that kind of obedience). If you agree that given whatever viewpoint I have (even if it does not align to you), I have the right to exist, to have those view point and post it here, then please read ahead.
I do share my frustration with BJP/RSS and probably everyone else in this world, even it's maker!! But I know then that I am not perfect, and I have given up the right of being right always, my way or the highway approach. So I will not be nasty with you (whether you are with me or not, that is your prerogative).
Did it occour to you that most of these media news is cooked up. Balasaheb was asked before his death that if people cannot agree on NM who should be BJP candidate, he said Sushma Swaraj. The newspapers and magazines and umpteen discussion in BRF has reported that SS prefers Sushmaji. Now this is the level of sensitization and overt falsification.
Even if the news were true, for Surdarshan ji on whose watch in 2004 we lost because he wanted to teach ABV/BJP a lesson, personally I have no sympathy. That big a miscalculation at that level cannot be pardoned. As far as RSS abandoning him, do you realize that he is virtually a state guest of MP govt, with RSS people taking care of him (he suffers from very serious dementia)?
Also my suggestion about finding 3G links was not to 'fix' you. It was a genuine suggestion. I suggest you get out of the I vs them world. In here at BR, 95% of us are with you.
rgds,
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fanne wrote:First Sushuptiji,
Please decrease your aham a little. If you looked hard, we are in the same team. And to answer your question, no you did not touch a raw nerve. (1)I don't buy your theory that RSS/BJP is sold out, that does not mean than I am in any way a less of a person (even PBUH does not demand that kind of obedience). If you agree that given whatever viewpoint I have (even if it does not align to you), I have the right to exist, to have those view point and post it here, then please read ahead.
I do share my frustration with BJP/RSS and probably everyone else in this world, even it's maker!! But I know then that I am not perfect, and I have given up the right of being right always, my way or the highway approach. So I will not be nasty with you (whether you are with me or not, that is your prerogative).
Did it occour to you that most of these media news is cooked up. Balasaheb was asked before his death that if people cannot agree on NM who should be BJP candidate, he said Sushma Swaraj. The newspapers and magazines and umpteen discussion in BRF has reported that SS prefers Sushmaji. Now this is the level of sensitization and overt falsification.
(2)Even if the news were true, (3)for Surdarshan ji on whose watch in 2004 we lost because he wanted to teach ABV/BJP a lesson, personally I have no sympathy. That big a miscalculation at that level cannot be pardoned. (4)As far as RSS abandoning him, do you realize that he is virtually a state guest of MP govt, with RSS people taking care of him (he suffers from very serious dementia)?
(5)Also my suggestion about finding 3G links was not to 'fix' you. It was a genuine suggestion. I suggest you get out of the I vs them world. In here at BR, 95% of us are with you.
rgds,
fanne
(1)Neither i believe it nor i ever meant it.
(2)Sudarshan was on video saying that. search youtube it may still be there.
(3) Every body is responsible for 2004 except diluting BJP's ideology mould it in the image Nehruvian ideas, starting across the border puppy-jhuppy while in power and riling up Hindu sentiments while in opposition, without ever thinking about cadre and making them look like an idiot.
(4) Do you know the standing of RSS-Chief in the mind of a "Swayam-Sevak"?. Dementia?. what happened to Bhartiya Sanskaras regarding treating Seniors?. By the way they never disowned "AtalJI" and defend all his Nehruvian deeds (at the cost RSS/BJP interests) until now. FYI Sudarshan Ji is dead.
(5) ??

I avoid making personal comments but take this one in good spirit from a friend. Resorting to personal comments,midst of a argument non personal in nature, is sign of a "Sookshma-Abhimani".
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2) On 2 I meant that RSS not defending him (not that Sudarshan ji not said that or he is right or not),

Coming to 5, we have enough info (and insinuation) that SG is a foreign plant. I guess there has never been a one place comprehensive with proof doc. It would help if one (you?) can make it and then it can be spread on the net and pray that it will get into the general discussion. Just be aware, that SG and their followers will drag you to court or worse if if you say something that cannot be proved or if they can trace the author.
Let me tell you another thing, I believe we live under a foreign dictatorship in India. If you cross the dictator, God help you. Maybe that has something to do with people holding back.
rgds,
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