RamaY wrote:Must watch debate
(I never ask others to watch NDTV but, it is too much to miss this) Manishankar Iyer made an ass of himself...
Watch video: http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/india- ... oor/267399
Firstly I am impressed by Sashi Tharoors position (not just because he agrees with me)
With all due respect - Can we move on from pleasing one person - this is getting a bit irritating. Why are the forum members giving so much weightage to one person's opinion? I have been a lurker for 12+ years and have seen people thrown out for lesser flame bite offense. One look at ancient "Straight and Crooked Thinking" book and you'll see what is happening here. As some have already mentioned, one cannot have a sane discussion with out taking a position.ravi_g wrote:Theo_Fidel wrote: Ravi_G,
That is not entirely correct either. NM was the Home minister as well during that period IIRC. The fact that a under trial with evidence stacked against her became a minister..... ...I guess worse things have happened in UP...
Theo ji it is still a matter of public debate as to when a public official should leave his office, upon allegations, upon chargesheet or upon conviction. This incidently was one of the issues dealt with by Arun Jaitley ji in one his recent interviews with uber secularist. I wonder what would be your standards of public life.......
read the link for point by point comparisonWhat they don’t tell their listeners about is the Nellie massacre of 1983 which claimed the lives of more than twice the number of people who died during the Godhra 2002 riots. The Nellie massacre happened under a Congress Prime Minister’s rule, when the State was under President’s rule and the findings of the probe that was ordered into the massacre were never made public.
Following is a point-by-point comparison of the two tragedies to help put matters in perspective.
'I agonise for these students that only desired to create a platform to discuss India's [ Images ] challenges and opportunities for growth. The students and the Wharton administration must learn the lessons of consequences even as they seek redemption that can be theirs with the right moves forward, argues Dr Aseem Shukla.
Aseem Shukla, MD, is an associate professor of surgery at the University of Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine and a co-founder of the Hindu American Foundation. The views presented herein are entirely his own.
So the organisers of the petition -- English professors, a social work teacher, and a few anthropologists at Penn -- got together just a dozen or so faculty members from the College of Liberal Studies, and then presume to lecture Wharton B-school students as to the economic model right for India!
So basically, the b@$@%% at UPenn, the low life, the parasitic scum, used the favorite tactic of theirs and their bedfellows, the IslamistsThis pledge to protest in a 'variety of ways' is carefully chosen syntax -- not without precedent at Wharton -- and likely what spooked the conference organisers. Just over a year ago, Penn students supporting the Occupy Wall Street movement forced House Majority Leader Eric Cantor to cancel a Wharton speech with threats to disturb his speech after storming the Wharton campus and forcing a lockdown of classes.
Like now, then too I posted a video link of his comments. He was a congress Vadi when talking to pakis.mahadevbhu wrote:kya hua saaar?RamaY wrote:Must watch debate
(I never ask others to watch NDTV but, it is too much to miss this) Manishankar Iyer made an ass of himself...
Watch video: http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/india- ... oor/267399
Firstly I am impressed by Sashi Tharoors position (not just because he agrees with me)
some time back you were spewing venom on him.
Sanjay Gandhi = demolisher = forced sterilizer = gets things done = good administrator = Modi = hitlerSanjay Gandhi's charm, or appeal, at that time was precisely this -- that he was able to get things done, that he cut through the red tape, that there were many processes and procedures which he was able to bypass.
For example, family planning or population control was high on the priority list of the country, but nobody had been able to do anything about it till Sanjay Gandhi came along with his strong-arm methods and compulsory sterilisation.
He got it done, like he got the slums cleared, the demolitions organised.
To him, the means were not as important as the end.
I think something like that is happening today.
The appeal that someone like Narendra Modi holds is precisely this -- that he is a good administrator, he gets things done. Don't ask too many questions about how he gets it done though.
But that's exactly what is dangerous because that is how authoritarianism comes in. It always comes in with public consent.
Hitler was democratically elected. He used that mandate to slowly but surely suppress civil liberties, human rights, violate the constitution, etc.
So there's a parallel there.
Look at the garbage, stinking humans and how frustrated and terrified these despicable humans are. But Indians/BJP ignores these comments at their own expense. You have to confront, ridicule and shut them up. This has gone too far.Sanjay Gandhi's charm, or appeal, at that time was precisely this -- that he was able to get things done, that he cut through the red tape, that there were many processes and procedures which he was able to bypass.
For example, family planning or population control was high on the priority list of the country, but nobody had been able to do anything about it till Sanjay Gandhi came along with his strong-arm methods and compulsory sterilisation.
He got it done, like he got the slums cleared, the demolitions organised.
To him, the means were not as important as the end.
I think something like that is happening today.
The appeal that someone like Narendra Modi holds is precisely this -- that he is a good administrator, he gets things done. Don't ask too many questions about how he gets it done though.
But that's exactly what is dangerous because that is how authoritarianism comes in. It always comes in with public consent.
Hitler was democratically elected. He used that mandate to slowly but surely suppress civil liberties, human rights, violate the constitution, etc.
So there's a parallel there.
The truth is the growth versus human development juxtaposition is flawed. Gujarat is neither among the worst nor the best in terms of child malnourishment. In fact, the real laggards are also high-growth states such as Andhra Pradesh (49 percent malnourished), Bihar (82 percent), Haryana (43 percent), Rajasthan(43 percent), and, surprisingly Sheila Dikshit’s rich Delhi (50 percent).
But other high-growth states do well on malnutrition, with Maharashtra having more than 77 percent normal kids (i.e. not malnourished), Madhya Pradesh 72 percent, and Uttarakhand 75 percent.
So clearly it is not the Gujarat growth model that is the cause of the problem.
But a closer look at the numbers tells a different story: a story of huge improvements in Gujarat over the last four years.
As on 31 March 2007, the figure for malnourished children in Gujarat was the highest in the country – at 70.69 percent, well above the national average of 50.1 percent.
But guess what happened by 2011? Gujarat is the most improved state with malnourishment down to 38.77 percent – the sharpest improvement in India. Not only that, Gujarat is now comfortably above the national average on malnourishment at 41.16 percent.
Says the CAG report: “There was substantial decrease in the malnourished children in six states (Gujarat, from 71 to 39 percent); Karnataka (from 53 to 41 percent); Maharashtra (from 45 to 23 percent); Uttar Pradesh (from 53 to 41 percent); Uttarakhand (from 46 to 25 percent): and West Bengal (from 53 to 37 percent).
With Rahul Gandhi now declaring that he does not intend to marry, the elections of 2014 will be the Battle of the Bachelors – one 42 and the other 62 – both fighting to win India’s heart.
Narendra Modi was reportedly once married but is now famously single and dedicated to Bharat Mata, and Rahul Gandhi has just declared that he does not intend to ever marry as he prefers status quo to having children.
Rahul has also said that he does not want to become prime minister because he feels it is important to be “detached” from power. While “Modi for PM” is the rallying cry of sections of the BJP, Congress is now left with the question, “who for PM?”.
So the search is on to dupe what the CROOKS think the dumb middle class of India. Throw Chidu and Nilekani and see if it sticks and hope they can divert the attacks on DIEnasty termites and stop discussion of Modi's development.So who will be Rahul Gandhi’s Manmohan Singh? Assuming the UPA is once again in a position to stake a claim to the top job, (and this is a big assumption) who will be the technocrat-manager head of government to a Rahul-led Congress ? Lutyensland is abuzz at the moment with two names: P Chidambaram and Nandan Nilekani.
Palaniappan Chidambaram is the star performer of the UPA. Whether in Home or in Finance, Chidambaram is a highly efficient and clear minded minister, setting a spanking pace for whichever ministry he is entrusted with, accompanied with an impressive knowledge of governance and adminstration. Chidambaram is not a mass leader thus not a threat, broadly loyal to 10 Jan Path except for his one fling with the Tamil Manila Congress in the 90s, can’t speak Hindi and is not known to be team player.
Yet he’s popular with the middle class and corporates and Chidambaram as Prime Minister would build perception of a “can-do” economic growth oriented government. Chidambaram heads the list of Rahul’s Manmohan Singh probable list.
Next on Rahul’s list of outsourced Prime Ministers would be Nandan Nilekani, chairman UIDAI. A complete outsider in politics, beloved of the middle class, untouched by scandals and known for his integrity, even somewhat of an youth icon and poster boy of young new India, Nilekani is once again not a mass politician and unlikely to be seen as a threat by any of the party heavyweights. But Nilekani as Prime Minister would mean draining the PMO of all political content and turning the office into a determinedly and almost completely non political executive with political power located elsewhere.
RajeshA wrote:The praaablum is that RSS walas don't play football. Professional football teams, as well as hockey teams, study the opponent very closely. Each move by the opponent, each play by the opponent is internalized and the necessary torh worked upon.
Those who are in the forefront of the media war need to develop rhetoric which deflates all claims and all rhetoric of the Kangressias!
Don't let them get away with anything. In fact BJP wallas are often on the defensive, rather being on the offensive in cultural, social terms.
Reddy saar, I mostly agree with what you are saying. But this discussion is bringing out some information that I was never aware of before. If we do not debate the issues with Theo saar, what we have is an echo chamber. Pretty much every one else is in agreement. What's the point in having this forum?Reddy wrote:With all due respect - Can we move on from pleasing one person - this is getting a bit irritating. Why are the forum members giving so much weightage to one person's opinion? I have been a lurker for 12+ years and have seen people thrown out for lesser flame bite offense. One look at ancient "Straight and Crooked Thinking" book and you'll see what is happening here. As some have already mentioned, one cannot have a sane discussion with out taking a position.
I apologies if i am missing some thing here but, some people cannot be reasoned with. My best friend is from Kerala, a catholic a true patriot, but he'll never vote for BJP, let alone NaMo. This has nothing to do with his intelligence or patriotism. It is just that some people have stubborn belief and i respect their stand and leave it at that. Pushing will make them more defensive and irrational. Please leave it for now and take it up again after few months when the ego factor gets out of the way. So can we please move on?
.one of them lovely adorable "dogs" have something "foxy" about it saar, that's whymahadevbhu wrote:Carl wrote:
why this dogs photo saar?
That is because true secularism has never been practiced. UP, where a large percentage of Muslims live has been influenced by BSP and SP. BSP caters to SC/ST and OBCs; SP caters to OBCs. So in the absence of INC or BJP, these parties have narrow interests.Theo_Fidel wrote: Personally I also notice that most of these mofo's are relatively well off middle class muslims as well. How do you go from there to saying muslims are disgruntled. The more connected and internet aware types seem to be prone to being radicalized. There is a lot of radical muslim garbage floating around the world and a certain sliver of the patass crowd appears to become seduced. Are large chunks of muslims economically disadvantaged, yes, mostly of their own making. These sections are not comfortable with the mode of modernity being projected. I don't know what the answer is to that. AFAIK removing the congress has not changed this.
Can you point to those sections? And what are Hindu Laws? I never talked about Hinduism, I talked about our own tradition which I am sure you will agree gave rise to Hinduism and its sister religions. Is Dharma (an important idea/contribution from the sub-continent) find its way? We wax eloquent on Bhutan giving importance to GHP than GDP. Does our Constitution reflect Purushartha? There is nothing religious about these items.I don't know how you can say the constitution ignores local values. Take a look at the original hindu marriage act or the property inheritance laws. Some sections are taken word for word from hindu laws. Of course since then hindus has edited those sections and modernized to a large extent, in fact more modern than christian law. If there is chaffing it is that muslim modernization has not kept up with hindu.
If your argument is that it works, then Indic system has worked for thousands of years, no? The economic models propagated by the Europeans is making only us measure and compare dicks, like what is done in the Indian Economic dhaaga.That said as I pointed out the structure and logic of the Indian constitution, western constitution and even British ones are all based on Roman law. Most modern societies only tinker around the edges of this precedent. Why do we use? Because it works and cultures that use such rule by law have become rich and prosperous.
Not in UP. Kamal Nath is still a central minister IIRC. And was a minister all through while local commissions were on the job, and while he had a lawsuit pending in federal court.Theo_Fidel wrote: The fact that a under trial with evidence stacked against her became a minister..... ...I guess worse things have happened in UP...
Not really, net net, Vishwaroopam made a 200 cr (or million?) something. Everyone concenered seems to have pulled a fast one on the aam junta.ramana wrote:Didn't Kamalhasan get a taste of that!
disha wrote:^^Sanku ji, I just forgot to put :ROTFL: beside the statement on "Arjun the tank". It was more meant of a satire. Anyhoo, missed the mark.
I think the morons @Wharton need to get the mesage. The fight back by Indian interests seem to be getting stronger. You have the understand that shrill and low life tactics of COMMIE scoundrels has scared off most US folks since they see no downside to not giving VISA or removing Modi. Now that they realize Indians can bite too with money which is a big issue, they will ponder over satifying the useless crap in Liberal Arts.After Adani group, Hexaware Technologies, another Indian company, today withdrew sponsorship for the Wharton India Economic Forum (WIEF) and company chairman Atul Nishar opted out of the event.
The decision follows controversial cancellation of Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi‘s key-note address (through video conference) at the Forum by the host, Wharton School of Business.
“Mr Atul Nishar wouldn’t be able to attend this Forum due to his other business engagements. The sponsorship matter is a call of the Marketing department and not of Mr Nishar,” company spokesperson Sreedatri Chatterji said.
Nishar was to speak at the Forum while his company was a `bronze sponsorer’ of the event. The name and logo of Hexaware Technology was removed from the portal of WIEF later today.
On Sunday, the prestigious business school cancelled the Gujarat CM‘s keynote address, after opposition from a section of university professors and students, triggering reactions in India.
Ahmedabad-headquartered Adani group’s chairman Gautam Adani, who was the platinum sponsorer of the event, withdrew the sponsorship, and opted out of the event, citing commitments here.
prahaar wrote:Frankly speaking, the only reason there is limited involvement by middle class in RSS activity is because it is all volunteering work. No one gets anything in return, so people with busy lives cannot spare time even if they support the idea. Also, there is a significant amount of people who are afraid to be associated with RSS due to fear of government machinery. When we were starting a shakha, my father who is an RSS supporter, asked me to reconsider it and be careful.
Nice to see someone spell his name together. One minor nitpick there should be an "a" after 'Kamal', it is 'Kamalahasan' - at least that is how many referred him before his solidarity exercise. Another variation was "Kamala Hassan". Oh, who am I to comment, he wanted to change his name to 'Qamal Hasan' or something like that onlee. He must have been reading our BENIS dhaagaramana wrote:Didn't Kamalhasan get a taste of that!
vnmshyam wrote:I would like to donate to BJP party fund and I need advice. Should contribute to the general BJP fund or should I contribute to the Andhra Pradesh BJP party fund or directly to the BJP candidates in AP?
http://www.bjp.org/donate
People here have suggested that BJP is a lost cause in AP and hence I'm reluctant to contribute directly to people representing BJP in AP. The national party may be able to better utilize the contributions and concentrate on areas that BJP stands a chance of winning.
Any advice folks?
Whatever helps relieve the tension.Sushupti wrote:Twitter is filled with buzz that congress's symbol of "Hand" is the inspiration behind Raul's decision to remain unmarried.
