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habal wrote:I feel pity for his poor father, who is in old age and didn't need this shock. His total sentence initially was for 7 years, I guess, but the father didn't want his son to serve the complete sentence because the ADGP (prisons) knows best about the state of prisons, doesn't he
Hmm.. I tend to disagree. If the father knew how bad the jails in India where, he should have guided his son to become a law abiding citizen. The fact that the father was not really bothered about his son being a rapist does not gel well. Mohanti Sr. used his own clout to keep his son away from the hands of the law. Some one else did the honours and tipped KP off. Best for Mohanti Jr. would be to serve out his complete prison term, and then start up some thing new.

A thief in Kerala had a biography written about him. This chap after robbing a home in Kerala, landed up in a place Hediyala in rural Mysore district. He took up a Muslim name (his wife was a Muslim), took up tobacco cultivation and became a major supplier for folks like ITC. He was all set to contest elections. A fine morning he was walking towards his shop when he heard a call for "Maniyan Pillai". By instinct, he turned back. A familiar jeep and all familiar faces sitting inside. This was after around 5-6 years after the crime was done. Salim Bhai @ Maniyan Pillai came back to Kerala as a pauper and as a criminal.
SSridhar wrote:BTW, the last time, it was a huge drama to arrest him and take him to Karnataka. What will happen now. Will he go back voluntarily or the State government, in collusion with all progressive and secular forces, do something ?
Only the BJP state unit and Comrade VS said openly that Mahdani's speech need to be investigated. I guess the rules of Parole and that of bail are clearly kept out of all this, to give an impression that Mahdani did not violate any law. The Karnataka police team in charge of Mahdani had raised this concern (of him making the speech) then and there. I do expect some drama from Kerala side, when Shri. Mahdani-ji is taken back. Suddenly falling ill, and getting hospitalised may be one such tactic. BTW, the slogans which were getting shouted when this fellow landed up in his home was pure and simple religious calls, so it was as "secular" as it can be. The nature of the supporters, there idealogical leanings were all out in the open.
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Kudankulam: Rs 30L ‘suspicious’ transfer from foreign funds, case registered
http://www.niticentral.com/2013/03/11/k ... 54171.html

With the flow of funds for anti-Kudankulam nuclear plant protests coming under scrutiny, Tamil Nadu police has filed a case against a woman on grounds of suspicion after it found a whopping Rs 30 lakh were transferred from London to her bank account. Police suspect woman’s husband, whois associated with the stir, received funds to promote the protest.
The case against Ambika under Sec 102 CrPC has been registered by police after a branch of Canara bank in Tirunelveli reported the transferof Rs 29,98,782 into her savings bank account, Police said on Monday.
The money had been deposited into Ambika’s account by a London-based software engineer Anand alias Joshua Anand, it added.
“We are enquiring into the suspicious transaction of funds as Ambika’s husband, Thavasi Kumar, is involved in the anti-nuclear project agitation,” he said, adding, they have informed top officials in Tamil Nadu and the Home Ministry in Delhi about the transaction. Thavasi is also Kudankulam local body councillor.
Thavasi Kumar, who was earlierAnand’s driver in 1996, had told the police that the money had been transferred for the purchase of property for his boss, police said.
The case has been registered against Ambika under CrPC Sec 102 which gives powers to police to take action against suspicious and fraudulent dealings.
The transaction came to light ahead of the revival of anti-KNPP activists who laid a siege to the plant on Monday through sea.
However, SP Udhayakumar, convener of the Peoples’ Movement Against Nuclear Energy(PMANE), which is spearheading the stir, denied the charge.
“Government has spent an additional Rs 4,000 crore on a non-functional nuclear plant. Now, they are foisting a case that Rs 30 lakh foreign funds have come to someone from somewhere…,” he said.
Government had in 2012 launched a crackdown on some NGOs in Tamil Nadu for allegedlyproviding funds to stage protests against the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Project.
The PMANE has been campaigning for the closure of the 2X1000 MW nuclear plant being built by the Nuclear Power Corporation of India Ltd (NPCIL) with Russian assistance.
Minister of State in the Prime Minister’s Office Narayanasamy too had alleged many times that the PMANE activists were getting funds from abroad to sustain the agitation. Police have been also on alert monitoring the flow of foreign funds to the anti-nuclear struggle.
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Fishermen's killing: Our naval guards will not return to India, Italy says
ROME: The two Italian naval guards charged in India with killing two fishermen while on anti-piracy duty will not return from a special home visit granted to allow them to vote in last month's general election, the Italian foreign ministry said on Monday.

The ministry said that India had not responded to Italian requests to seek a diplomatic solution to the case and there was now a formal dispute between the two countries over the terms of the United Nations Convention of the Law of the Sea.

"Italy has informed the Indian government that, given the formal initiation of an international dispute between the two states, the naval guards Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone will not return to India at the end of their home leave."
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Waahhh....truly what a self-respecting and feared govt it is...
2-bit howlas are mocking us with impunity...skin crawls at the ineptitude and spinelessness of this GoI.
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Sagar G wrote:Fishermen's killing: Our naval guards will not return to India, Italy says
ROME: The two Italian naval guards charged in India with killing two fishermen while on anti-piracy duty will not return from a special home visit granted to allow them to vote in last month's general election, the Italian foreign ministry said on Monday.

The ministry said that India had not responded to Italian requests to seek a diplomatic solution to the case and there was now a formal dispute between the two countries over the terms of the United Nations Convention of the Law of the Sea.

"Italy has informed the Indian government that, given the formal initiation of an international dispute between the two states, the naval guards Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone will not return to India at the end of their home leave."
Yawn, all of us on BRF knew this would happen...It was probably done to prevent further fallout from vvip chopper scam.
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They transfered them from Kerala's Jurisdiction to a national one based on Supreme court ruling, and then the birds are set free, now the credibility of national investigative agencies is low (that they are relying on dada, pardada age articles that show them in positive light) and hence NCTC should not get any further
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This case also goes onto show that the SC is also compromised.
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Hope the Maoists don't kidnap two Italians.
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A perfect equal equal with the Raymond Davis episode ...

Infact we are worse , US at least was a hyper power.

AAK THOO @ the dhimmi govt at center
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Here is a CT from me. Ram Singh fellow was hanged to let Italian govt justify their decision, blaming Indian jail system and citing risk to the life of Italian marines. Consider it confirmed if MSM starts drum beating by tomorrow.
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Regarding the Italian sailors, the anger is so overwhelming that one just has to laugh at the turn off events.
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SwamyG wrote:Regarding the Italian sailors, the anger is so overwhelming that one just has to laugh at the turn off events.
+108/ My heart sinks while my face smiles. Secularism inflicted pains only.
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habal wrote:Had he continued to remain in Andhra or TN, he would never have been caught.
Curious to know, why you think that way?
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http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... l-violence
SP MLA accused of killing Hindu Yuva Vahini leader
Arshad Afzal Khan, TNN Mar 6, 2013, 06.22AM IST

FAIZABAD: Curfew continued in two police circles of Tanda tehsil in Ambedkarnagar district on the second day on Tuesday after communal violence on Sunday following murder of Hindu Yuva Vahini leader Ram Babu Gupta. Shops and business establishments in other parts of the district remained closed because of the prevailing tension that erupted due to the violence. Though no fresh incident of violence was reported, Gupta's family accused local Samajwadi Party MLA Azimul Haq alias Pahelwan of conspiring the murder.

Indefinite curfew has been imposed in Tanda and Aliganj areas of Ambedkarnagar after agitated HYV activists torched about two dozen houses belonging to minority community on Sunday after murder of Gupta. A large posse of police, rapid action force and provincial armed constabulary has been deployed in the riot-hit areas. As a precautionary measure, prohibitory orders barring assembly of groups have been imposed in the entire district. Subhash Chandra, inspector general of police, said that the situation is under control.

Family members of Gupta have alleged that Azimul Haq alias Pehelwan, SP MLA from Tanda assembly seat, is behind the killing. "We demand a CBI enquiry, as we do not have faith on UP Police. Haq is the person who hatched the conspiracy to kill him because of a political rivalry.

The police also forced us to delete his name from the complaint and has lodged an FIR against unknown persons," alleged Ram Prakash Gupta, elder brother of the slain HYV leader. He also demanded immediate arrest of the guilty.

Hira Lal Yadav, Samajwadi Party's candidate for parliamentary elections from Ambedkarnagar Lok Sabha constituency, held local administration responsible for the violence.

He said had the administrative officers been active and vigilant, large-scale violence as seen on Sunday would not have taken place. "How within few minutes after the incident of murder, the mob went on rampage and torched so many houses," he questioned. He demanded proper inquiry into the matter and arrest of those involved in murder and rioting.
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RoyG wrote:Yawn, all of us on BRF knew this would happen...It was probably done to prevent further fallout from vvip chopper scam.
I dont know who said this, but some one in BR Forum had predicted this long time back. About the high probability of the Italians scooting, and GoI trembling in fear of the scandal related to the VVIP helicopter dealings. The fishermen's family also may be now complaining that the hefty some offered by Italians were also not given, and they had faith in the judiciary which now let them down.

Kerala Govt under command Chandy & Co would now say that they did all they could do, but the courts ruled against them. They then wash their hands off. Comrades get a chance to do more public property destruction (in Kerala).

I am waiting for the expert opinions of folks like Markandey Katju etc. etc. Or better still some one from the judiciary who was involved in this.
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Sachin wrote:
RoyG wrote:Yawn, all of us on BRF knew this would happen...It was probably done to prevent further fallout from vvip chopper scam.
I dont know who said this, but some one in BR Forum had predicted this long time back. About the high probability of the Italians scooting, and GoI trembling in fear of the scandal related to the VVIP helicopter dealings. The fishermen's family also may be now complaining that the hefty some offered by Italians were also not given, and they had faith in the judiciary which now let them down.

Kerala Govt under command Chandy & Co would now say that they did all they could do, but the courts ruled against them. They then wash their hands off. Comrades get a chance to do more public property destruction (in Kerala).

I am waiting for the expert opinions of folks like Markandey Katju etc. etc. Or better still some one from the judiciary who was involved in this.
Our spineless colonial mentality and kowtowing to the goras as seen in the purulia arms drop case by repatriating the perpetrators and getting pissed on by a two bit, third rate country like denmark and now getting pissed on by the eyetalians is well known.

Our judiciary had no business giving them bail when the same was long denied to sadhvi Pragya. as a country we seem to suffer from very low self esteem. Four weeks bail for voting?? :evil:
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I had not realized that the fellows were let go for voting..what an excuse! The Indian state is indeed harsh on its own people but kowtows to outsiders.
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On the Italian Marines issue, why did the SC not get an assurance from the Italian embassy before letting them go ? There is a conspiracy here.
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My CT (as much as I dont want to float CTs):

The deal to release the white murderers was reached long back between the agents of the empress and the eyetalian representatives. The trick was to use plausible-deniability for the Italian Empress in exchange for the freedom of the marines (and presumably truck loads of money).

This was BEFORE the first time the marines were let go to "Celebrate" Christmas.

The white murderers were let go the first time, and they were promptly returned, making mango admi believe that Italy stands by its words. The second time they wanted to "vote", the court had no trouble to let them go because they were returned before and EyeTaly stands by its words.

EyeTully according to the deal, said no way we are going to return the white murderers. Now everyone is happy. The empress can make her stand as follows: "Oh, GOI took Italy for its word, because they have returned them before." . The Marines are happy: "We are home and we murdered a few brown mofos". EyeTully is happy: "We rescued our white sons, from those savage brown people and their savage laws". Ofcourse, the least powerless of all (Indian Aam Admi) has been as usual made chh**tiyas in the game.

Nothing that is not obvious, nothing more to see here either, I guess. It is indeed a very hopeless (but sophisticated) Banana Empire (not republic).
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SSridhar wrote:On the Italian Marines issue, why did the SC not get an assurance from the Italian embassy before letting them go ? There is a conspiracy here.
Apparently it did?

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/keral ... t/1086806/
A Bench led by Chief Justice Altamas Kabir relied on an affidavit by the Italian ambassador that the accused marines Massimiliano Lattore and Salvatore Girone could not cast their votes through postal ballot while permitting them to travel on an undertaking by the ambassador.

"We are inclined to allow the prayer. The petitioners are bound by the orders of this court dated January 18, as also Italian laws. Republic of Italy shall take full responsibility to ensure they comply with all the conditions and come back as scheduled," it said.
Amazing bunch of turds. (Eyeties that is)
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Nothing that is not obvious, nothing more to see here either, I guess. It is indeed a very hopeless (but sophisticated) Banana Empire (not republic).
This sort of thing will keep repeating until Hindus develop a strong sense of nationalism and learn to support the nationalists through votes.
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Wasn't this Honourable Judge daughter running a NGO which is Funded from EU/Scandinavia, the same Scandinavian/EU entity funds Teesta's NGO.
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Sorry to say, but the Italians have justification this time around not sending the marines back with what happened at Tihar just yesterday. It was stupid, maybe planned to send them back for 'voting'. But once that had been done, the Ram Singh incident gives them the moral high ground not to get back to India.
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German Bakery blast accused calls Pune builder 8 times, demands Rs10 crore

http://www.dnaindia.com/pune/report_ger ... re_1810111
In a sensational turn of events, German Bakery blast accused Mohsin Chowdhary is alleged to have called a prominent city builder seeking extortion money of Rs10 crore.The builder, who is considered to be close to Union agriculture minister Sharad Pawar, received as many as eight calls from Chowdhary who is also said to be the top operative of Indian Mujahideen and has been absconding for months.

While no one wants to come on record yet, a senior police officer confirmed that a formal complaint had been lodged by the builder. “His office received eight phone calls last week. The caller identified himself as Mohsin Chowdhary and sought Rs10 crore towards protection money from him. The caller was speaking in Hindi,” the officer said.

Scared, the builder then approached the police who scanned his call records and found that the complaint was genuine. “All the calls were made using voice over Internet protocol and it seems they have masked the servers,” the officer said.

“Chowdhary is one of the trusted lieutenants of Iqbal (Bhatkal) and is independent enough to head a sleeper cell,” the officer said. Incidentally, Mohsin’s brother Akbar has been arrested by the Mumbai crime branch and was thereafter taken into custody by the Gujarat police for his alleged role in the July 26, 2008, serial bomb blasts in Ahmedabad.

A concerned home minister RR Patil held an urgent meeting with senior police officers at the Pune police commissioner’s office last week. Patil is said to have heard the phone conversations recorded by the builder, in the meeting that went on till late in the night.

When asked to comment, police commissioner Gulabrao Pol refused to confirm or deny.A senior ATS told DNA on condition of anonymity, “The crime branch of the Pune police have sought help from us. We are providing them with all possible help.”

Who is Mohsin Chowdhary?
He is a resident of Manishanagar Complex in Kondhwa, Pune. Mohsin was last seen in the city in 2008. That was just before the Mumbai crime branch busted an IM module in Kondhwa.
Chowdhary managed to escape then and had reportedly fled to Bangladesh.

The agencies and the police were left baffled when it was learnt that Chowdhary sneaked back into the country and executed a terror strike at German Bakery on February 13, 2010. A senior police officer said that Chaudhary is a close friend of Iqbal Bhatkal, who is the brother of Riyaz Bhatkal alias Roshan Khan.
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harbans wrote:Sorry to say, but the Italians have justification this time around not sending the marines back with what happened at Tihar just yesterday. It was stupid, maybe planned to send them back for 'voting'. But once that had been done, the Ram Singh incident gives them the moral high ground not to get back to India.
Yes Yes, never has anyone died in any EU prision, if anyone has then as per your logic no Indian should be ever arrested by EU countries.

By the way then given that Italian Armed forces on a ship have killed Indian citizens, then any ship with Italian armed forces is a potential to harm Indian citizens and Indians are morally justified in sinking it.

Ram Singh death is unrelated hear and Italians have no moral ground,
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Aditya_V wrote: Ram Singh death is unrelated hear and Italians have no moral ground,
The person offering excuses on behalf of Italians is talking about high moral ground?
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harbans wrote:Sorry to say, but the Italians have justification this time around not sending the marines back with what happened at Tihar just yesterday. It was stupid, maybe planned to send them back for 'voting'. But once that had been done, the Ram Singh incident gives them the moral high ground not to get back to India.
You are absolutely right, see we must also send our prisoners to Italian jails so that they can enjoy a high standard of living there I mean after all that's why jails are made for isn't it and while we are at it I would also like Italian agencies to investigate Hindoo terrorism which is destroying our country and terrorising the secular muslim community and the uber secular Pakistan.
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SSridhar wrote:On the Italian Marines issue, why did the SC not get an assurance from the Italian embassy before letting them go ? There is a conspiracy here.
How dare you question the words of goras don't you know that anything said by a gora is god's word only. Typical fanatical hindoo huh.
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There is total incompetence or deliberately done. Could be former - letting that plane fly off from Amritsar or letting the Marines go. Once let go there is much more to be done to get the culprits back. In both cases the culprits have escaped.
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If Italians can get what they want from India when they want it, and more importantly from the fiercely independent wings of the Indian rashtra, do they need to have formal representatives in India? India is a free country no longer under European colonialism, and it is delusional to think that European power still leverage and can trump each and every organs of Indian state power. So we must understand what happened as magnanimity between friends and equal partners. We could also look at it as Italians coming in supplication to us - and we granting them their wish from our superior position of strength.
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harbans wrote:Sorry to say, but the Italians have justification this time around not sending the marines back with what happened at Tihar just yesterday. It was stupid, maybe planned to send them back for 'voting'. But once that had been done, the Ram Singh incident gives them the moral high ground not to get back to India.

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Guys, no personal attack on anyone. Take it as a Warning.
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Harbans, your theory of linking the non-return of the Italian marines with Ram Singh's death in Tihar jail looks very far-fetched.

The Italians planned it well, it appears. The first time around (for X'mas), they went and came back. There was apparently a specific assurance by the Italian consul in the kerala High Court that he would ensure the return of the two accused. They stood by that promise. The case was transferred to the SC citing a lack of jurisdiction by the Kerala High Court. Then the SC allowed them to go to Italy for four weeks to cast their vote. Four weeks to cast a vote when it could have been cast through a postal ballot ?

Secondly, it appears that the Italian ambassador did not specifically promise to return the marines to India. He simply assured the SC, "the two accused would be kept under its [Italian government] constant custody, supervision and control in Italy during this [four-week] period". This is no admission of return of the marines. probably, the SC posited the previous return of the marines from Italy and the above words of the Ambassador and imagined that His Excellency, the Ambassador, was indeed promising a return of the two accused.

As soon as the SC announced the decision, the Italian Foreign Minister said, "the decision confirms a spirit of trust and cooperation with the Indian authorities that gives us hope for a positive outcome". Surely, that trust stands terribly breached by the Italians. The EU said immediately, "The EU views the Indian Supreme Court decision favourably and is committed to being by Italy's side, in the hope this complex legal case can be concluded quickly,"

Then the Italian government, while the marines were safely on Italian territory, sent a mail to GoI saying that the matter should be settled amicably through diplomacy. From the timing of the communication, GoI probably knew then and there itself that Italy had decided not to return the marines because, a reply either way, would have resulted in the same fate. All these happened much before the death of the brutal rapist in Tihar.
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Cops claim Bangladeshi student body guided Sabarmati tunnel diggers

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 940729.cms
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Terrorists attack CRPF camp

5 CRPF jawans & 2 terrorists killed
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Secondly, it appears that the Italian ambassador did not specifically promise to return the marines to India. He simply assured the SC, "the two accused would be kept under its [Italian government] constant custody, supervision and control in Italy during this [four-week] period". This is no admission of return of the marines. probably, the SC posited the previous return of the marines from Italy and the above words of the Ambassador and imagined that His Excellency, the Ambassador, was indeed promising a return of the two accused.
Sridhar Ji, the explicit promise of return was made under a sworn affadavit. The excerpt is here. I had posted it yesterday, but reposting same.
Firstpost is making available two crucial documents: (i) the Supreme Court’s order of 22 February 2013 on the Italian marines and (ii) the Italian marines’ Special Leave Petition in the Supreme Court on 9 February 2013 which includes a sworn affidavit by Italian ambassador in India, Daniele Mancini, wherein he has given a sworn undertaking to the apex court that the two accused marines will be kept under his “round the clock custody, control and supervision”. The ambassador had also pledged in his affidavit before the Supreme Court that he “will take full responsibility for securing the return” of the two marines to India on or before the expiry of the period of the leave given to them by the apex court.
Firstpost: Documents and Affadavits

Added later: The question arises what was different this time around after returning the 1st time? Specially so even when it seems India was even ready to put up a special court, host the marines in the Italian embassy and even have their sentences run in Italy!
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Sanku wrote:
SSridhar wrote:On the Italian Marines issue, why did the SC not get an assurance from the Italian embassy before letting them go ? There is a conspiracy here.
Apparently it did?

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/keral ... t/1086806/
A Bench led by Chief Justice Altamas Kabir relied on an affidavit by the Italian ambassador that the accused marines Massimiliano Lattore and Salvatore Girone could not cast their votes through postal ballot while permitting them to travel on an undertaking by the ambassador.

"We are inclined to allow the prayer. The petitioners are bound by the orders of this court dated January 18, as also Italian laws. Republic of Italy shall take full responsibility to ensure they comply with all the conditions and come back as scheduled," it said.
Amazing bunch of turds. (Eyeties that is)
Amazing bunch of turds. (Eyeties that is), why not the Indians, saar??

When the facility of a postal ballot was available to the eyetalians why did the cji poke his nose ?? Four weeks for voting ??

The executive is paramount in matters of relations between foreign states.

The judiciary has erred grievously and also far exceeded it's brief.
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Re: Internal Security Watch

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chetak wrote:
Amazing bunch of turds. (Eyeties that is), why not the Indians, saar??
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What to say Saar? The most anti-Indian entity today in the world is not even Pakistan, its is in India.
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Re: Internal Security Watch

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Harbans, thanks. I stand corrected on the issue of the undertaking by the Italian ambassador
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Re: Internal Security Watch

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SSridhar wrote:The Italians planned it well, it appears.
The GoI as well as the SC were a solid part of the plan. How much more clear signals do you want to see than the one already visible ???
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