Sanku wrote:Actually no, IA ordered 124 tanks in 1999 which are perhaps delivered by now, perhaps not.
It has also ordered for 124 tanks of the next version.
You can keep repeating the same lies, but that does not change the truth.
It's funny to see how you call others liars (you've done that with me many times including the nuclear discussion thread) but when someone returns the compliment you run to the Admins and make a complaint - the classic action of an Internet bully who knows he can get away in the anonymity provided by the medium.
Don't worry I'm not going to complain against you, neither am I going to call you a liar. For some reason that I fail to fathom why you're a "protected species" on BRF!
Now let's see in MK1 we have a "working product" MBT which is better than the tin cans that we are buying from Russia. So the Army buys 124 tanks and when they are delivered the production line would be closed for two years till the MK2 becomes a "working product". And then the Army would contend to place another piddly order for 124 tanks.
And in the meantime, more tin cans are imported from Russia with money that will be used by Russia to develop their next gen tank which would be suited for its conditions. And then at a later date that tin can would be offered to India and the cycle will repeat itself.
And this is what you wrote in reply to Misraji:
Sanku wrote: Maybe you didnt get the note -- It is standard truth in the world, you buy what is a available working product while working on next gen including the case for domestic production.
So can you tell me, Mr Expert, why is it OK for the Army to buy 124 MK1s and then say they will only buy another 124 MK2 when it become "working product" keeping the line idle for more than two years when there's a pressing requirement for more MBTs?
Do you stand by what you said to Misraji, that
it is standard thruth in the world that you buy what is available working product
while working on the next gen including in the case for domestic production. Why does this truism on your part fail the smell test when applied to the Arjun?
You certainly got a note which the rest of us didn't. I just hope it was not promissory in nature. One thing I admire about you is the steadfast way you plug for the best possible interest of a certain entity. I'm sure Bharat Mata would have loved the devotion you show to the Bear.
Just for record let me post something along with this post. Nothing new for folks here but bears repeating.
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The Indian army didn’t even stand up its 1st Arjun armored regiment until May 2009, 35 years after the program began. To underscore the point, even that milestone followed a development that seemed to end the platform’s future. In July 2008, India had announced that production of the Arjun would be capped at the already-committed total of 124 vehicles. Instead, development would begin on a new next-generation tank, designed to survive and serve until 2040 or so.
That appeared to close the book on a failed project, but opinion in India was sharply split. Many observers cited this as the final failure. Other were noting the problems with the T-90s, and the Army’s refusal to conduct side-by-side tests, alongside recent test successes that began earning the Arun some military fans. In May 2010 desert trials alongside the T-90S, the Arjun did surprisingly well.
In response, the government and the Army changed course somewhat. Arjun production would double to 248. That’s an improvement, but DRDO insists that a 500 vehicle order is needed to give them the volume needed to iron out all production difficulties, and provide a platform for future development.
The Army’s plan still calls for 1,657 T-90S “Bhishma” tanks at about 12 crore (INR 120 million, about $2.78 million) each if prices remain stable. About 1,000 of those are slated to be built in India by Avadi Heavy Industries, the same firm that builds the Arjuns. They will be joined by just 248 Arjuns at about 16.8 crore (INR 168 million, about $3.92 million) each, as well as 692 older T-72 tanks upgraded to the T-72M1 “Ajeya” standard . This overall plan changes the force structure proposed in 2006, from 3,780 tanks (1,302 T-90s and 2,480 T-72s) to 2,597 higher-end tanks.
So 1000 T90s, an impressive 692 T-72s and just 248 Arjuns. And you say you have the best interests of India in mind.
This is a hacck thoo moment.
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You expect any one to ask for Poor Arjun from Avadi. Let us face it unless we prohibit all imports of defence equipments and involve Private Sector in defence production, we will be having more Arjun like things.