China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 27 Mar 2013 06:54

The russians are turning out the be the real winners. The chinese are taking all the hits and protecting their southern flank by keeping the Americans out and the Russians will continue to add to their gold reserves and modernize their military as the financial system continues to sink.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Mar 2013 08:22

There is nothing in the pivot to threaten Russia (yes, I know the Russians have a naval presence way up north). (Just BTW, the USMC has moved out of the region - something missed by most alarmists.) The pivot is not a military move alone - in fact it has very limited direct military impact (if one were to take into total account of what all is moved in and out of the region).

Where Russia will come out ahead is in sales of military hardware. Billions of dollars worth.

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Meanwhile, the real drama continues:

China and Vietnam row over South China Sea clash

While Russia sells Lada class to China I guess she will sell a few Kilos to 'Nam. More Dollars.

ashi · Post by **ashi** » 27 Mar 2013 10:15

First pics: China's J-20 stealth fighter armed with a missile

ashi · Post by **ashi** » 27 Mar 2013 10:17

China’s new stealth fighter’s missile launch rails prove Beijing can improve U.S. technology

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Mar 2013 10:28

ashi wrote:China’s new stealth fighter’s missile launch rails prove Beijing can improve U.S. technology

More moving parts + absence of LOAL missile. This sounds like jugaad that expose Chinesh tech weaknesses wrt to US. Not advances. In any case J-20 has 6 huge aerodynamic surfaces to reflect radar.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Mar 2013 10:32

ashi wrote:China’s new stealth fighter’s missile launch rails prove Beijing can improve U.S. technology

Remember this fake photo?
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dange ... lurred.jpg

It came via the author of the above article., David Cenciotti.

He does look like the jaat-bhai of people we are familar with no?
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/2611 ... rxjww.jpeg

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 27 Mar 2013 15:18

^This is just trying to make a virtue out of a vice. They cant copy the American launch system or maybe wasn't able to steal it and now has made a half-assed system that quite frankly looks like someones fly fell open and something popped out.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 27 Mar 2013 22:51

ashi wrote:First pics: China's J-20 stealth fighter armed with a missile

Am glad to see a Crouching Chinese Hidden Camera picture after long time. Truly they have made it into an art form.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 29 Mar 2013 04:09

The Chinese Navy Has a Problem

Avarachan · Post by **Avarachan** » 29 Mar 2013 06:39

shiv wrote:
ashi wrote:China’s new stealth fighter’s missile launch rails prove Beijing can improve U.S. technology
More moving parts + absence of LOAL missile. This sounds like jugaad that expose Chinesh tech weaknesses wrt to US. Not advances. In any case J-20 has 6 huge aerodynamic surfaces to reflect radar.

I generally am not impressed with China's military technology, but this Chinese solution seems interesting. If this actually works, Chinese scientists have demonstrated flexibility and pragmatism. The consequences of that should not be underestimated.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Mar 2013 07:00

Avarachan wrote:
I generally am not impressed with China's military technology, but this Chinese solution seems interesting. If this actually works, Chinese scientists have demonstrated flexibility and pragmatism. The consequences of that should not be underestimated.

Avarachnji. The Chinese are an intelligent people. One must expect innovation and not be surprised. The presence of innovation pe se among humans means little and must neither be underestimated nor over estimated. On the China military thread the most overused and raped term is "China must not be underestimated". No one is in the business of underestimating China here but too many people repeat that silly sounding line "Do not under estimate..." as if everyone else is busy underestimating and will continue to do that in the absence of such advice.

Sorry but I do not want to see this thread go down the line of this "Do not underestimate China" . An entire new thread was created for people who wanted to show the consequences of underestimating China.

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 29 Mar 2013 18:31

ashi wrote:First pics: China's J-20 stealth fighter armed with a missile

I don't know about the RCS that much. A missile hanging out with its seekers on, contributes a lot to RCS with respect to a thin jagged door. So I don't know how much the RCS is reduced. But there are other pros and cons.
Pros.
1. Essentially translates to a rail launched system from a semi recessed kind of pylon. This would expand the flight envelop from where the missiles can be launched. It is simpler to test as well.
2. Simpler mechanism. The trapeze ejection system needs to create much more force to eject the missile.

Cons.
1. It is more voluminous with swing arms.
2. The number of missiles per bay is most probably limited to 2. If there are more, then the ejection of the missiles must follow a fixed sequence.
3. Every missile firing requires the door to actually open twice instead of once.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 29 Mar 2013 19:52

saravana wrote:
ashi wrote:First pics: China's J-20 stealth fighter armed with a missile
Am glad to see a Crouching Chinese Hidden Camera picture after long time. Truly they have made it into an art form.

Of course, if striptease can be termed as art.

vsunder · Post by **vsunder** » 31 Mar 2013 05:24

To paraphrase Churchill after El Alamein, This is not the beginning of the end
but just the end of the beginning:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/30/world ... .html?_r=0

May the games begin.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Mar 2013 10:40

china is building LPH ships and has already deployed a couple I think. more are surely on the way. these can do sea control with suitable ASW helicopters and SSNs.

Don · Post by **Don** » 31 Mar 2013 13:51

Singha wrote:china is building LPH ships and has already deployed a couple I think. more are surely on the way. these can do sea control with suitable ASW helicopters and SSNs.

http://imageshack.us/a/img690/18/98247730.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img819/4718/134702352899577.jpg

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 31 Mar 2013 14:16

^How does this one compare to those European ones?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 31 Mar 2013 21:04

China’s Long March 5 Will Not Launch Until 2015

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Mar 2013 21:09

Arun Menon wrote:^How does this one compare to those European ones?

similar to the HMS Ocean concept...not as big and through deck as the big dogs like mistral or juan carlos class but pretty useful all the same. can be a good base for ASW helicopters and island landgrab units.

and this design in no way restricts the PLAN from building some other bigger design with more helicopter capacity a pure play LPH and a through deck.

or a smaller faster ASW oriented ship taking off where the JMSDF Haruna class left off. maybe 6 instead of 3 ASW choppers. if the submarine threat from US/japan increases , they will go for this.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 31 Mar 2013 22:48

vsunder wrote:To paraphrase Churchill after El Alamein, This is not the beginning of the end
but just the end of the beginning:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/30/world ... .html?_r=0

May the games begin.

Very interesting read, as the Chines people who are mostly atheist are coming in contact with people and their religions from other parts of the world for example Pakistan and the west. Some of them will start believing and converting to the new religions.

In a country where there is shortage of women, and no possibility of finding a wife in their lifetime, the philosophy of fighting and dying in a war and having dozens of women available in the after life could be very appealing and the only alternative to get a women.

joygoswami · Post by **joygoswami** » 01 Apr 2013 00:17

PLAAF Su-27 crashes in East-China. Both Pilots killed. RIP

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Apr 2013 06:20

joygoswami wrote:PLAAF Su-27 crashes in East-China. Both Pilots killed. RIP

If the photo below is authentic t is really strange. The plane is virtually intact with cockpit section remaining attached to fuselage and tail. Maybe the pilots were trying to do a crash landing? If both engines failed and the plane was out of control, it would be coincidence that it happened to land belly down. Why did the pilots not eject? Was this a Russia build plane or a China build clone or a hybrid?

arijitkm · Post by **arijitkm** » 01 Apr 2013 13:14

^^^ As per Global Times the pilots had been ejected but they could not make it, which is unclear.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/772056.shtml

Don · Post by **Don** » 01 Apr 2013 18:42

shiv wrote:
joygoswami wrote:PLAAF Su-27 crashes in East-China. Both Pilots killed. RIP
If the photo below is authentic t is really strange. The plane is virtually intact with cockpit section remaining attached to fuselage and tail. Maybe the pilots were trying to do a crash landing? If both engines failed and the plane was out of control, it would be coincidence that it happened to land belly down. Why did the pilots not eject? Was this a Russia build plane or a China build clone or a hybrid?

One of the original Russian made su-27 UBK.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 02 Apr 2013 04:12

Why China's Debt Is a Problem

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 02 Apr 2013 06:09

They must have tried to belly land Su 27, but something somewhere went wrong.

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 02 Apr 2013 09:48

the ground looks like river/coastal land which must be soft/soggy. the flyers must have faced some problem in the air and decided to land. it looks pretty flat land and they must have thought it was safe. the touch down on soggy/soft land could have caused their death. they probably were already on the ground and it was too late to eject.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 02 Apr 2013 12:15

Since the pilots baled out, the plane would be out of control or on autopilot and would not be able to achieve any kind of "landing" without being smashed. More likely it entered into a flat spin and pancaked hard on its belly which would keep the airframe relatively intact as seen in the photo. Would be rare for parachutes/ejection seats to malfunction for both simultaneously so they could have been severely injured before (fire, explosion) or during ejection or were too low for the parachute to open fully.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Apr 2013 12:18

maybe they blacked out during the spin and did not manage to eject at all, suffering big concussive injuries that proved fatal. RIP.

Leonard · Post by **Leonard** » 03 Apr 2013 07:35

Newest "Reverse Engineering Techniques" ..

Follow "Xerox Khans" specialized engineering techniques -- Blatantly steal ..

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-0 ... china.html

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Case 1:

Zhao had been conducting pharmacology research at the university as an assistant to Dr. Marshall Anderson, according to Shinneman’s affidavit.

On Feb. 22, Anderson reported to university security that three bottles of a powdery compound identified only as C-25, for which he held the patent, had disappeared from his office, the FBI agent said. The vials were worth about $8,000, Shinneman said.

A review of security video showed Zhao was the only person to enter or leave Anderson’s office around the time the bottles disappeared, according to the affidavit.

University security also learned Zhao had been in China from December to February and stated on his resume that he was an assistant professor at Zhejiang University, Shinneman said.

Zhao also claimed on the website ResearchGate that he had discovered a cancer-fighting compound and wanted to bring it to China, the FBI agent said.

Case 2:
Hanjuan Jin, a former Motorola software engineer, last year was sentenced to four years in prison for stealing trade secrets from the company. While accused of planning to share that information with a company that had ties to the Chinese military, she was acquitted of economic espionage.

Case 3:

A former Dow AgroSciences researcher, Kexue Huang, was sentenced to seven years and three months in federal prison in 2011 after pleading guilty in two consolidated cases to stealing trade secrets to benefit a Chinese university.

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The newest wannabe super power showing us its very best approaches ..

kmc_chacko · Post by **kmc_chacko** » 03 Apr 2013 08:10

NRao wrote:Why China's Debt Is a Problem

It will not going to Happen in near future

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 03 Apr 2013 10:27

Esin: China completes the development of missiles capable of overcoming missile defense

China is currently completing a block missiles that are capable of overcoming missile defense (NMD) USA, told reporters on Tuesday, former Chief of Staff of Strategic Missile Forces Colonel-General Viktor Esin retired.

"All missiles China has so far been one-piece, now it develops and is finalizing MIRV warheads with" - said Esin at the "round table" at RIA Novosti. He noted that these missiles are equipped complexes decoys.

According to a former chief of staff of the Strategic Missile Forces, the development of these missiles is an asymmetrical response to the establishment of an American missile defense system. Esin added that the warheads in the future will be equipped with intercontinental missile "Dongfeng 31" - similar Russian "Topol".

Esin also spoke about the new Chinese nuclear submarines, ballistic missiles which have a range of up to 8,000 kilometers. "Now being tested missiles," - said the expert, saying that the boat had already handles tasks in coastal waters.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Apr 2013 08:49

Russian officials deny Chinese deal on Su-35s, submarines Janes
By Reuben F Johnson
3/27/2013

Russian defence officials have denied reports over the weekend of 23-24 March by China's Central Television (CCTV) of a major arms deal between the two countries.

According to CCTV, Beijing and Moscow signed two major arms export contracts during President Xi Jinping's first foreign visit as the Chinese Communist Party chief and titular head of state.

CCTV and others reported that the deals signed were for "24 Sukhoi Su-35 fighters and four Lada-class submarines" and heralded the development as "the first major weapons sale in 10 years between the two nations".

On 25 March the press office for the Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSVTS) responded by stating that "no agreements on the delivery of either Russian weapon systems or military technology to China were signed. Questions on the issue of military technology between Russia and China during the visit of People's Republic of China [PRC] Chairman Xi Jinping to Moscow were not even raised," said a FSVTS spokesman.

CCTV coverage stated that there had been additional agreements on Russian and Chinese co-operation for the Almaz-Antei S-400 air defence system, the Saturn/Lyulka 117S jet engine, and the Ilyushin Il-476 airlifter and Il-78 aerial tanker aircraft.

ashi · Post by **ashi** » 04 Apr 2013 08:54

Austin wrote:Russian officials deny Chinese deal on Su-35s, submarines

Now this is interesting... First reports from Russian about the deal, China was silent about it. Now China reports the deal, Russian denied. LoL....

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 04 Apr 2013 16:23

What gives? How come there are two contradicting reports?
If China gets hold of the Amur,etc.,it will be a quantum leap of capability by it.

1. Russia’s state arms exporter Rosoboronexport has signed a framework agreement with China on the joint development and construction of four non-nuclear Amur-1650 conventional submarines for the Chinese Navy.

The contract, worth $2 billion, is expected to be finalized by the parties around 2015. Russian media and experts predicted the two countries may go much further on cooperation in the field of submarines.

According to the agreement, two of the submarines will be built in Russia and two in China.

The contract includes special provisions which stipulate "China cannot copy Russian technology."

Analysts say introducing Russia’s state-of-the-art submarine technology through joint design and production will help enhance the combat effectiveness of the Chinese Navy submarine force. The Amur class submarine will hopefully provide the Chinese Navy with a powerful platform for waging undersea warfare.

2. China's military is expanding its unmanned aerial vehicle forces with a new Predator-like armed drone and a new unmanned combat aircraft amid growing tensions with neighbors in Asia, according to United States intelligence officials.

China is working to develop the drone capability to persistent watch fixed and moving targets out to 3,000 kilometers of Chinese shores.

Vinit · Post by **Vinit** » 05 Apr 2013 18:44

An article in today's NYT points to two interesting developments: (a) the growing Chinese influence in the Golden Triangle region (albeit for law enforcement rather than direct military) - so, soft power and (b) the suggestion that use of armed drones was considered, which if true, points to some capabilities in that direction as well - hard power.

The article is about Chinese efforts to apprehend Naw Kham, a Myanmar national, who was accused of killing Chinese nationals. He was hunted across Laos, Myanmar and Thailand for six months.

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/05/world ... wanted=all

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 07 Apr 2013 15:48

aal eez vell
on India China Border: Army Chief

BARRACKPORE ( West Bengal): Indian Army chief General Bikram Singh on Sunday said "peace and tranquility" now prevails on the China-Indian border.

"There is peace and tranquility on the Line of Actual Control with China. There is no problem," General Bikram Singh told the media on the sidelines of an ex-servicemen rally here.

vivek_ahuja · Post by **vivek_ahuja** » 07 Apr 2013 23:42

chaanakya wrote:
BARRACKPORE ( West Bengal): Indian Army chief General Bikram Singh on Sunday said "peace and tranquility" now prevails on the China-Indian border.

"There is peace and tranquility on the Line of Actual Control with China. There is no problem," General Bikram Singh told the media on the sidelines of an ex-servicemen rally here.

All is indeed well. You know, apart from the hundreds of square kilometers of Indian territory that the Chinese continue to sit on for half a century.

But I should not be a buzzkill. Sorry.

All is indeed well.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 08 Apr 2013 01:48

Are Chinese arms fuelling NE insurgents’ arsenal?

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Two photographs accessed by TOI show Chinese characters (possibly indicating firing modes) on an AK-56 rifle, and ULFA cadres assembling sophisticated Heckler & Koch 33 assault rifles somewhere in the jungles of the region. A senior Assam Police officer involved in counter-insurgency operations says they are aware of ultras using sophisticated weapons.

"The favourite sidearm of insurgents nowadays is what we call the star pistol. It's highly accurate and very stable. The ones we have seized don't have the 'Made in China' tag, but have a star and a logo. The star probably is the red star that communist countries use. We have not seized any HK 33 rifle so far, but we know they have it," he says.

The HK 33 assault rifle has a higher muzzle velocity and rate of fire than the AK-47, the preferred weapon of guerrilla fighters all over the world.
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svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 08 Apr 2013 11:02

Chinese Navy has deployed offensive capability in IOR

Published on Dec 5, 2012
Indian Naval Chief Admiral D K Joshi has stated that in case Indian economic interests in the South China Sea be threatened it will move its naval fleet to protect it. India had signed a deal with the Vietnamese to explore oil and gas in the region. India has sparred diplomatically with China in the past over its gas and oil exploration block off the coast of Vietnam. This region has vast reserves of oil and gas and China also has disputes with the Philippines, Japan, Brunei, Malaysia and Taiwan over parts of the South China Sea that are reportedly claimed by them. China has claimed that it fully within its rights to stop vessels that intrude in its waters. Given its growing economy China is keen to explore virtually the entire mineral-rich South China Sea and has stepped up its military presence there.

Sanjay Sethi, Press TV, New Delhi