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Jhujar wrote:http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/09 ... s-radical/

FBI Teaches Agents: ‘Mainstream’ Muslims Are ‘Violent, Radical’
This is how a problem that is created by religion gets secularized and describe in secular terms, ensuring that the psychology of religion based violence is never acknowledged, studied or addressed. ever
The FBI isn’t just treading on thin legal ice by portraying ordinary, observant Americans as terrorists-in-waiting, former counterterrorism agents say. It’s also playing into al-Qaida’s hands.

Focusing on the religious behavior of American citizens instead of proven indicators of criminal activity like stockpiling guns or using shady financing ( :roll: :rotfl: )makes it more likely that the FBI will miss the real warning signs of terrorism. And depicting Islam as inseparable from political violence is exactly the narrative al-Qaida spins — as is the related idea that America and Islam are necessarily in conflict.

In this case Al Qaeda (the non existent group) is honest . There is a very real conflict between Islam and non Islamic societies. America is in denial. For a change someone in the FBI has got it right but the same FBI was overcome with secularism when they were asked about late Timurlund Bostonji
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X Posted from the "Islamic Sectarianism" thread.

Intra-Mohammadden Green on Green sectarian hatred seems to have infected the Arabic AV media. Iraq suspends licenses of Al-Jazeera and nine other satellite channels for allegedly promoting violence and sectarianism:

Iraqis Suspend Satellite TV Channels For 'Sectarianism'
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In 1784 America was awakened to radical islam and jihad! Over 200 years ago we faced the same enemy we face to day, they were muslims that waged war upon ALL non believers of Islam! Look it up "The Barbary Wars" "The Barbary Pirates" "Thomas Jefferson and the Barbary Pirates"
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Hamas teaches Palestinian schoolboys how to fire Kalashnikovs

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ikovs.html
Palestinian schoolboys are learning how to fire Kalashnikovs, throw grenades and plant improvised explosive devices as part of a programme run by Hamas's education ministry
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shiv wrote:
Jhujar wrote:http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/09 ... s-radical/

FBI Teaches Agents: ‘Mainstream’ Muslims Are ‘Violent, Radical’


In this case Al Qaeda (the non existent group) is honest . There is a very real conflict between Islam and non Islamic societies. America is in denial. For a change someone in the FBI has got it right but the same FBI was overcome with secularism when they were asked about late Timurlund Bostonji
Shivji,

Well said. I agree with you. More often than not certain words act as road blocks in our mind. When that word arises in our mind our thinking stops and we feel as if we have reached ultimate destination. One such word is Al Qaeda. The word Al Qaeda is used by islamists to say the evil stops with Al Qaeda and prevents people to go to ultimate source of violence koran/hadith. The secularists also stop at Al Qaeda as either they do not understand or do not have courage to go past this road block. My 2 cents.
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Half of Germans See Islam as a Threat
One in two Germans considers Islam to be a threat. 50 per cent of Germans are also convinced that Islam does not fit in in Germany. 18 per cent of Muslims in Germany and 25 per cent of those polled in Turkey also share this opinion. This is the result of the new "Religionsmonitor" from the Bertelsmann Institute, whose numbers are present exclusively in the "Welt am Sonntag".

It shows: Half of the population do not share the view of former federal president Christian Wulff, that Islam is part of Germany. Also internationally Islam is seen as a threat: 76 per cent of Israelis, 60 per cent of Spanish, 50 per cent of Swiss and 42 per cent of US Americans judge it to be dangerous. But also Judaism is seen by 19 per cent of East and West Germans as a threat.

The doubt about the compatibility of Islam and the western world is sharper in East Germany than West Germany (57 to 49 per cent), although fewer Muslims live there. Older people and those with lower levels of education are inclined more strongly to perceive Islam as a threat.

...Significant differences are also apparent with regards to religious behaviour: 39 per cent of Muslims in Germany think that, in religions questions, only their religion is right. Among Christians it is only 12 per cent.

Source: Welt.de
also see Germany: Islam Critics Prosecuted for Comparing Islam to Nazism
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xxpost
Will The 21st Century Be A Horror Show Of Epic Proportions?
(Epic proprotion =My kind of Bhasha is now used)

Deep Analization: PurvaPaksha of ME Mushika
In 2006, Mark Steyn reached two conclusions from his study of anemic Western demographics in his book America Alone. The post World War II global order led by the United States is literally dying, and the future belongs to Islam.David Goldman, Spengler at Asia Times Online, dismisses those contentions as bogus. “The fastest demographic decline ever registered in recorded history is taking place today in Muslim countries.” World fertility fell from 4.5 to 2.5 children per woman over the past half-century, but “two or three times faster” in Islamic nations. Moreover, the severity of this drop is exacerbated by the “lapsed time” in which it is occurring. Europe spent two centuries descending to its present demographic nadir. Islamic societies are “attempting it [collapsed fertility] in twenty.”But, this rush towards demographic oblivion is still cause for alarm. It “makes radical Islam more dangerous” because of “Spengler’s Universal Law #1 – A man or a nation at the brink of death does not have a rational self-interest.” As Islamic societies choose de-population, their rational calculus changes. The radicals’ boast that “you love life and we love death” is revealing in this regard. Radical Islamists have chosen to die fighting, rather than watch their societies self-terminate. As Goldman quips, “the flip side of suicide by infertility is jihad.” And, he marshals statistics, history, and philosophy to offer chilling predictions and disturbing recommendations.Goldman draws on mounds of data to diagnose the Islamic world’s ills, and he dismisses Steyn’s thesis with the qualification of poverty. Old people are an existential threat to Islamic nations because they possess a fraction of Europe’s $30,000 GDP per capita circa 2009. The Middle East’s elderly “rely on their children to care for them.” But today’s bulge of young people will find that neither wealth nor descendants will exist to support them in their old age. The first signs of looming ruin are already apparent in states suffering drastic demographic drop-offs such as Iran (six children per woman), Turkey (five) and Egypt (four).

President Ahmadinejad started sounding the alarm back in 2006. His pronouncements have ranged from factual assertions that Iran faces “a tidal wave of elderly” to outlandish claims that Iran’s low birthrate is the result of a Western conspiracy. Yet, his anxiety is not misplaced. Iran’s $4,400 GDP per capita is primarily derived from oil exports. Furthermore, “today there are more Iranians in their mid-twenties than in any other age bracket. But they are not reproducing.” With a European birthrate of 1.7, and an economy dependent on exporting oil, the abyss seems inescapable.And, demographic decay coupled with poverty is yielding a third problem. Beneath the façade of theocracy is social rot. Young women, even educated ones, are increasingly selling themselves as a means to make money and escape unemployment: “90% of Tehran’s prostitutes have passed the university entrance exam.” Others, five million by one estimate, use drugs. Stiff penalties, “a third conviction for alcohol possession merits the death penalty,” are not deterring this behavior. It seems that “on its own terms, Iran’s Islamist experiment has failed.”The oil poor nations of Arab Spring fame are arguably in worse shape. Decades of economic underdevelopment, particularly in agriculture, have left these states dependent on importing half of their caloric consumption. The result is a merciless subjection to market volatility. Indeed, one trigger for the uprisings was the doubling of the price of wheat after a 2.4% drop in supply in 2009 and 2010. The reason for the price spike is cold economics: the increased wealth of Asian consumers has made food prices more inelastic. Stated succinctly, “Chinese and Indian demand has priced food staples out of the Arab budget.” Of course, an arguably bigger driver of nosebleed food prices is not scarcity, or rising demand from India and China, but the global run on paper currencies driven by policies in the U.S. to cheapen the dollar since 2001.Egypt is a microcosm of the economic disaster wrought by the Arab Spring. Despite half the population living on two dollars a day, foreign aid and revenue from tourism kept Egypt afloat under Mubarak. But since the revolution in 2011, the economy has imploded. Unemployment has soared as key industries shrivel, and capital flight is causing foreign exchange reserves to plummet. And, the latter is lethal. Egypt, with five percent arable land and eighty million souls, is running out of money to buy bread. The prospective starvation may become “a catastrophe of, well, biblical proportions.”. Falling fertility is symptomatic of a society encountering modernity; education, urbanization, and women’s emancipation. The onset of modernity has already begun in the Muslim world as demonstrated by the impact of literacy, particularly female literacy, on its birthrates.Increasing education is negatively correlated with decreasing fertility. This is a fact that Iran’s mullahs are painfully learning. Before his overthrow, the Shah launched a program to modernize Iran by eradicating illiteracy. The program was a smashing success. Iran now has literate and highly educated women with respect to the rest of the Muslim world. The result is “university-educated Iranian women had a fertility rate of 1.3.” It appears that Persian females are voting against the theocrats with their wombs.Turkey faces an identical problem. Its strong economy, rooted in a good education system, has yielded women bearing few Turkish children. Perhaps in a moment of distress, Prime Minister Ergodan ranted in 2008: “they want to eradicate the Turkish nation.” Add in the long oppressed Kurds’ fecundity, and Ergodan is probably right. “If we continue the existing trend, 2038 will mark disaster for us.”
Nothing is more dangerous than a civilization that has only just discovered it is dying.” This begs the questions of dangerous to whom and how much so? Certainly weak states cannot effectively project conventional force against industrialized powers. No one expects Libya to invade Britain, let alone succeed. Moreover, even a repeat of the 9/11 terrorist attacks is dangerous. It would invite massive retaliation.Goldman’s response is dying nations make suicidal decisions, consequences be damned. He cites the Ludendorff Offensive of 1918, among others, as proof that suicide occurs when hope of victory is lost. However, the German example is particularly problematic. His claim that “Germany knew it had lost the First World War by 1918” is erroneous. The Germans nearly won. After Russia surrendered in March 1918, German troops out east transferred west and nearly beat the American relief army to Paris. Indeed, a decisive victory before the Americans arrived was Germany’s best hope of ending the war on favorable terms. The offensive’s failure makes the decision wrong, not suicidal.
Moreover, it is difficult to name any state that willingly killed itself. Not even Red China at its revolutionary worst, Mao welcoming nuclear war and killing millions during the Cultural Revolution, self-liquidated. Those who argue that some regimes are irrational seemingly overlook that violence is employed purposefully and, yes, rationally. On the subject of irrationality, Goldman’s lethal logic invariably turns to Iran. Its demographic and economic bind will compel it to undertake one final action of glory: seizing oilfields in Iraq and Saudi Arabia. To secure this scenario, “Iran cannot do without nuclear capability.” Add in its “apocalyptic eschatology” and the U.S. has a mess on its hands: a terminally ill society led by religious fanatics seeking to wound the Great Satan with nuclear martyrdom. The answer is, of course, preemptive war. As Goldman explains:
The lessons of the First World War, the Civil War, and the Cold War point to the same conclusion: preemption with overwhelming force is the appropriate means to contain an adversary who knows that he has nothing to lose. The strategy most likely to avoid war in the Middle East is not to reach out to Iran but to humiliate it.”This is extraordinary threat inflation. The U.S. has no hostile and powerful neighbors or comparable military challengers at present. The previous opponent, the USSR, had an equally disturbing ideology (violent world revolution) as radical Islamists, but collapsed without a nuclear holocaust occurring. What makes impoverished Iran different? And even if it acquires a nuke, it lacks the delivery capacity of a warhead and faces annihilation from a retaliatory attack. It is also worth remembering that a suicide is only such if the despairing individual or nation pulls the trigger.In the final chapter entitled “The Morality of Self-Interest”, Goldman argues for “Augustinian Realism.” He claims “America’s self-interest lies in alliances with countries that share our common love.” He clarifies his meaning this way: “Israel is the example par excellence of a state with a moral claim on American friendship [italics added].” It is a liberal democracy and a hub of economic activity. The same applies for India and South Korea other capitalist democracies.This conflation of values with interests is beyond erroneous. It is dangerous. Alliances, if they have any meaning, force U.S. engagement in conflicts that do not, by themselves, imperil Americans. The Korean Peninsula and the Middle East are two excellent examples.
Goldman’s book is paradoxical. It is an economics tour de force and a set of disturbing policy prescriptions. He brilliantly demystifies Islamic demographics, yet counsels preemptive war against terminally ill Iran. He stylishly suggests a new strategic way forward for U.S. foreign policy that smells of early 2000s neo-conservatism.At bottom, Goldman’s book is an apocalyptic prophecy. He spins a terrifying tale of a world on the cusp of radical change as civilizations fail. His goal is to horrify the reader, and he succeeds. One might even say upon finishing his book, mission accomplished.
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Jhujar wrote:xxpost
Will The 21st Century Be A Horror Show Of Epic Proportions?
(Epic proprotion =My kind of Bhasha is now used)

Deep Analization: PurvaPaksha of ME Mushika
In 2006, Mark Steyn reached two conclusions from his study of anemic Western demographics in his book America Alone. The post World War II global order led by the United States is literally dying, and the future belongs to Islam.David Goldman, Spengler at Asia Times Online, dismisses those contentions as bogus. “The fastest demographic decline ever registered in recorded history is taking place today in Muslim countries.” World fertility fell from 4.5 to 2.5 children per woman over the past half-century, but “two or three times faster” in Islamic nations. Moreover, the severity of this drop is exacerbated by the “lapsed time” in which it is occurring. Europe spent two centuries descending to its present demographic nadir. Islamic societies are “attempting it [collapsed fertility] in twenty.”But, this rush towards demographic oblivion is still cause for alarm. It “makes radical Islam more dangerous” because of “Spengler’s Universal Law #1 – A man or a nation at the brink of death does not have a rational self-interest.” As Islamic societies choose de-population, their rational calculus changes. The radicals’ boast that “you love life and we love death” is revealing in this regard. Radical Islamists have chosen to die fighting, rather than watch their societies self-terminate. As Goldman quips, “the flip side of suicide by infertility is jihad.” And, he marshals statistics, history, and philosophy to offer chilling predictions and disturbing recommendations.Goldman draws on mounds of data to diagnose the Islamic world’s ills, and he dismisses Steyn’s thesis with the qualification of poverty. Old people are an existential threat to Islamic nations because they possess a fraction of Europe’s $30,000 GDP per capita circa 2009. The Middle East’s elderly “rely on their children to care for them.” But today’s bulge of young people will find that neither wealth nor descendants will exist to support them in their old age. The first signs of looming ruin are already apparent in states suffering drastic demographic drop-offs such as Iran (six children per woman), Turkey (five) and Egypt (four).
The authors only talk of declining fertility in iran, and other middle eastern islamic countries. Unfortunately there is no declining fertility among muslims of pakistan, or bangladesh, or even indian muslims. A big reduction in fertility rate is badly needed in bangladesh as they cannot sustain so much population when the global warming starts eroding their coastlines in the near future. Unfortunately muslims of the indian subcontinent are waging penis jehad against hindus, buddists, sikhs, and jains.
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^^^ This fertility argument supposedly working against Islamist society is dubious and overplayed by these Western alarmists, from an ideological perspective. In Islamic countries, it is the not-so-enthusiastic-about-Islam citizens who are having less children. Those firmly a part of Islamist networks go forth and multiply.

If demographics is destiny, then that shows most clearly in this generation in Turkey. Over the past 80 years, the Ataturkist Oiropean-wannabe Turks who live in Istanbul or the Aegean coastline adopted Oiropean birthrates. The Anatolian yokel didn't. Result - over the last 40 years Islamist revivalists like Fethullah Gulen have reared a new generation of young Islamists through university groups, and inducted them into all levels of Turkish government and civil society.

Overall, a large elderly population and a shortage of youth will hurt the economies of those Islamic countries. But ideologically it would not necessarily lead to implosion of Islamic civilization. It would lead to increasing polarization and tighter networks where the brotherhood would monopolize resources, adopt austerities, and expand.
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Former girlfriend of now dead Mohammadden Terrorist Tamerlan Tsarnaev who carried out the attack on the Boston marathon is reported as saying “He said I was 'pure' and he took my virginity. I loved him but he slapped me and tried to brainwash me to hate US like he did” :

My boyfriend the bomber
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LAW AND FREEDOM

Britain's last hope?????

http://lawandfreedomfoundation.org/
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Carl wrote:^^^ This fertility argument supposedly working against Islamist society is dubious and overplayed by these Western alarmists, from an ideological perspective. In Islamic countries, it is the not-so-enthusiastic-about-Islam citizens who are having less children. Those firmly a part of Islamist networks go forth and multiply.

If demographics is destiny, then that shows most clearly in this generation in Turkey. Over the past 80 years, the Ataturkist Oiropean-wannabe Turks who live in Istanbul or the Aegean coastline adopted Oiropean birthrates. The Anatolian yokel didn't. Result - over the last 40 years Islamist revivalists like Fethullah Gulen have reared a new generation of young Islamists through university groups, and inducted them into all levels of Turkish government and civil society.

Overall, a large elderly population and a shortage of youth will hurt the economies of those Islamic countries. But ideologically it would not necessarily lead to implosion of Islamic civilization. It would lead to increasing polarization and tighter networks where the brotherhood would monopolize resources, adopt austerities, and expand.
The connection between oil and population growth has to be made to make the equation complete.

This graph shows the population growing exponentially with the petroleum products becoming ubiquitous.
http://www.marketcalls.in/wp-content/up ... lation.jpg[/

Every facet of life has improved because of OIL. But we have been at peak oil for over 15 years now. There are no additional oil finds of the scale of Saudi Arabia for over 50 years. Tar sands, shale gas etc is not going to give the return on investment, nuclear has over 20 year gestation period, solar is good but the battery technology is not good enough yet.

Just like bacteria in Petri dish the world population will die away

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panduranghari wrote:
The connection between oil and population growth has to be made to make the equation complete.

This graph shows the population growing exponentially with the petroleum products becoming ubiquitous.
http://www.marketcalls.in/wp-content/up ... lation.jpg[/

Every facet of life has improved because of OIL. But we have been at peak oil for over 15 years now. There are no additional oil finds of the scale of Saudi Arabia for over 50 years. Tar sands, shale gas etc is not going to give the return on investment, nuclear has over 20 year gestation period, solar is good but the battery technology is not good enough yet.

Just like bacteria in Petri dish the world population will die away

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Since this is islamism thread I want to point out that these population charts may not be applicable to muslim societies and apply only to kafir societies. Kafir societies act rationally based on the current circumstances. Islamic societies act only based on their religious edicts irrespective of current economic realities. Islamists want as much percentage of global population practicing islamism as possible and one of their methods is penis jehad.
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Six admit planning what clearly is a Mohammadden religion inspired act of planned violence given that they were found to be carrying a printed message which said “O enemies of Allah! We have heard and seen you openly insulting the final Messenger of Allah... you should know that for every action there is a reaction.”

Separately, going by the photographs it appears that these 6 “pious” Mohammadden terrorists out to kill some Kaafirs look like tracing their roots to that font of Mohammadden Terrorism, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Six admit planning to bomb English Defence League rally
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What Muslims Around the World Think About Women's Rights, in Charts

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Another interesting finding was that Muslim women aren't always more likely to support greater freedoms for themselves than their male counterparts are. On the question of whether it should be a woman's right to decide whether or not to wear a veil, "in 12 of the 23 countries where the question was asked, Muslim women voice greater support than Muslim men ... in the remaining 11 countries, opinions of women and men do not differ significantly on this question."
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Boston bombing is very interesting because here it is taking it to the next level -- Bombers were not really pupils of an organized network of brainwashing and training, but rather of the legal Islamic community network. They were self-radicalized consumers of propaganda available easily in the free world at this point. Boston bombing highlights the "franchise" nature of Islamism.

Exclusive: Imam of Mosque Visited by Bombing Suspect Speaks to TIME
Investigators have not revealed any links between Tamerlan and any Islamist groups, nor have they explained his alleged motives. But his acquaintances and members of his family have said that he became an adherent of fundamentalist Islam in the years before the bombings. The other suspect in the Boston attacks, Tamerlan’s younger brother Dzhokhar, told investigators from his hospital bed this week that he and his brother were motivated by the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a report in the Washington Post that cited U.S. officials familiar with the investigation.

The officials told the Post that the Tsarnaev brothers were “self-radicalized,” meaning that their views were shaped by what they saw online and knew of U.S. actions in the Muslim world. But judging by the opinion of the U.S. that Gasanaliev expressed to TIME, Tamerlan’s alleged politics would at least have been reinforced by the views upheld at the mosque on Kotrova Street.

“America will soon collapse. It will disappear,” Gasanaliev said matter-of-factly after sitting down with TIME for an exclusive interview. “How many years did the Arabic Caliphate rule? For hundreds of years, the world was ruled by the Arabic Caliphate. And it was a wonderful ruler. Now America is the great power. But tomorrow it will fall apart, a few more hurricanes, a few more of something else.” Pausing for a moment, he switches to a different tone: “But today, we must all look each other in the eyes honestly, wish each other well, respect each other and love each other. There should be no violence.”

Last week’s violence in Boston confuses him not because it was indiscriminate, but because it has caused such an uproar, bringing a pack of journalists to Dagestan with questions for him and his mosque. “Somebody from somewhere was killed, or something was fabricated, and so much noise because of this,” he says with bewilderment. “How much has America done in Vietnam, in all its wars everywhere. Right now it is turning the entire Arab world upside down. They kill hundreds, thousands, millions of people and nobody is interested. But over there someone does something, blows something up, someone is killed, and because of this they send so many people [journalists] here. They are surprised by this.”

He is adamant that his mosque, a bastion of conservative Salafi Islam in Dagestan, had nothing to do with Tamerlan’s turn to radicalism or with the Boston bombings. “There is no politics here,” he says. “Our sermons are clean.” And indeed, the sermon he gave at Friday prayers this week avoided politics completely, focusing on the need for piety, for all Muslims to stay on the “straight path” set out by Allah. “Do not fear, and do not despair, but rejoice in the paradise that has been promised to you,” he proclaimed to the congregation of men, whose numbers packed the mosque and spilled out into the courtyard. Even amid the steel bars and bricks being used for the mosque’s reconstruction, they laid down prayer rugs and took in the sermon. The vast majority were between the ages of 20 and 30.

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Asked the reason for the state’s attention to his mosque, Gasanaliev smiles and waves his hands dismissively. “They are making elephants from flies,” he says. What matters to him is that his mosque is open to all comers, whatever their views or denominations. “We have no politics here,” he says. “Our law is Shari‘a. You come here to pray and you leave. Anyone can come here. Nobody will ask you who you are. That is part of Shari‘a.” And what his congregants do from there is none of his responsibility.
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The right of the women to divorce is a part of Islam. The problem is that a Sharia courts will only grant divorce to women in very few cases. In U.K sharia courts, women have successful got divorces where that have proved that the children have been neglected by their husband. i.e away in pakistan for 2/3 years. But it is not easy to get divorces because the women is suffering phyiscal abuse. So the right to divorce figures do not tell the whole story. As you all know for the men to divorce is much more easier.
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Arunji thanks for pointing out the mistake.

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Kmkraoind,

The website from which you posted the above article describes itself thus:
The Wadiyan is an online satire newspaper that publishes fictional news reports, articles and multimedia content with the intention of providing pure humour.
Accordingly I think you ought to delete your post.
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Perth mother pleads for Saudi release of sons
One son has been detained for 18 months over alleged terrorist links and the other is in hiding after being jailed for protesting his brother's imprisonment, while their mother is pleading for the Australian Government to help get them back to Perth.
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arun wrote:Accordingly I think you ought to delete your post
No need to delete it, the infidels sense of humour is what will save us.
Yes it is satire, but as the saying goes "the devil hates to be mocked" :D
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More analysis of the data from the Pew Poll:

Bostom: Sharia Über Alles
Responses to four related questions on the Sharia, comprise the surveys' salient -- and pathognomonic -- findings. The questions were, "Do you favor or oppose making sharia law, or Islamic law, the official law of the land in our country?", and these three internally validating (and equally edifying) queries, "Do you favor or oppose the following: punishments like whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery?", "Do you favor or oppose the following: punishments like whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery?", "Do you favor or oppose the following: the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion?" Summary data from the nations with the five largest Muslim populations (as per 2010) surveyed, Indonesia (204 million), Pakistan (178 million), Bengladesh (149 million), Egypt (80 million), and Nigeria (76 million), revealed:

• 72% of Indonesian Muslims, 84% of Pakistani Muslims, 82% of Bengladeshi Muslims, 74% of Egyptian Muslims, and 71% of Nigerian Muslims supported making Sharia the official state law of their respective societies. The population-weighted average from these 5 countries was 77% supportive. (Composite regional data confirmed these individual country trends -- 84% of South Asian Muslims, 77% of Southeast Asian Muslims, 74% of Middle Eastern/North African Muslims, and 64% of Sub-Saharan African Muslims favored application of the Sharia as official state law.)

• 37% of Indonesian Muslims, 85% of Pakistani Muslims, 50% of Bengladeshi Muslims, 70% of Egyptian Muslims, and 45% of Nigerian Muslims favored Sharia-based mandatory ("hadd") punishments "like whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery"

• 42% of Indonesian Muslims, 86% of Pakistani Muslims, 54% of Bengladeshi Muslims, 80% of Egyptian Muslims, and 37% of Nigerian Muslims favored the Sharia-based hadd punishment of stoning for adultery

• 16% of Indonesian Muslims, 75% of Pakistani Muslims, 43% of Bengladeshi Muslims, 88% of Egyptian Muslims, and 29% of Nigerian Muslims favored the Sharia-based hadd punishment of execution for "apostasy"

Furthermore, the Pew survey results confirm the abject failure of the U.S. midwifed Iraqi and Afghan "democracies" to fulfill the utopian aspirations of the much ballyhooed "(Bernard) Lewis doctrine." Instead, the negative prognostications, epitomized by my colleague Diana West's evocative description "Making the world safe for Sharia," have been realized. Specifically, the Pew data indicated:

• 91% of Iraqi Muslims and 99% of Afghan Muslims supported making Sharia the official state law of their respective societies

• 55% of Iraqi Muslims and 81% of Afghan Muslims favored Sharia-based hadd punishments "like whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery"

• 57% of Iraqi Muslims and 84% of Afghan Muslims favored the Sharia-based hadd punishment of stoning for adultery

• 42% of Iraqi Muslims and 79% of Afghan Muslims favored the Sharia-based hadd punishment of execution for "apostasy"
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From the above link - good synopsis of data and summarized opinion on institutionalization of Sharia.
Religious piety, as evidenced by frequency of prayer and "Following the Prophet's Example," increased support for Sharia, which was unaffected by age, gender, or educational level.

The Pew report fails to elaborate on these strong associations, offering no explanation about why increased compliance with prayer and pious conformity with the behavior of Islam's prophet Muhammad might result in broad Muslim approval for mutilating thieves, stoning adulterers to death, or executing those who simply exercise freedom of conscience and forsake Islam. Yet the Pew investigators readily proffer these mollifying comments, insisting the predilection for Sharia "varies widely," noting "many favor democracy over authoritarian rule," and even concluding,

Overall, Muslims broadly support the idea of religious freedom. Among Muslims who say people of different religions are very free to practice their faith, three-quarters or more in each country say this is a good thing.

First, even the Pew data on Muslim support for "killing" apostates do not reflect sentiments for the less draconian punishments for apostasy: imprisonment with beatings (for women under Shiite law, timed to each of the prayer sessions, i.e., 5 times per day) until "recantation"; dissolution of marriage and both parental and property rights. These adjunct non-lethal "punishments" -- often applied to "private" apostates who do not manifest their apostasy in public -- would likely have registered far more "popular" appeal. Also, both "religious freedom" and "freedom" -- ("hurriyya"; discussed below) in Islamdom bear no resemblance to Western conceptions of these ideals, as this ranking of Christian persecution -- dominated by countries from sub-Saharan Africa (where 94% affirmed to Pew "it is good that others are very free to practice their faith" ) and the Middle East/North Africa (where 85% affirmed to Pew "it is good that others are very free to practice their faith") -- makes plain.

Furthermore, the current Pew report includes no data on "blasphemy," i.e., a simple question about Muslim attitudes toward public criticism of Islam's prophet or the creed itself by both non-Muslims and Muslims, ignoring Pew's own August, 2011 data from its analysis, "Rising Restrictions on Religion." This report, released August 9, 2011, examined the issue of "defamation" of religion, tracking countries where various blasphemy, or criticism of religions are enforced. "While such laws are sometimes promoted as a way to protect religion, in practice, they often serve to punish religious minorities whose beliefs are deemed unorthodox or heretical," the report noted. These Pew findings indicated that application of the Sharia at present resulted in a disproportionate number of Muslim countries, twenty-one -- Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Brunei, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Maldives, Morocco, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Tajikistan, Turkey, Western Sahara, and Yemen --registering the highest (i.e., worst) persecution scores on their scale. Furthermore, the Pew investigators observed,

Eight-in-ten countries in the Middle East-North Africa region have laws against blasphemy, apostasy or defamation of religion, the highest share of any region. These penalties are enforced in 60% of the countries in the region.

As a predictable consequence of this Sharia-based application of apostasy and blasphemy laws by Islamic governments, the Pew report also documented that

...the share of national governments that showed hostility toward minority religions involving physical violence was much higher in countries where laws against blasphemy, apostasy or defamation of religion are actively enforced than in countries without such laws (55% versus 22%).

Pew's reticence to present its own April 2013 findings without clumsily recasting, or ignoring their doctrinal roots, with obvious implications, can be traced to the dominant, post-modern Western narrative regarding Islam, where objective understanding has been replaced by pure apologetics. Indeed, simply presenting doctrinal Sharia without camouflage, and then demonstrating how Muslims, overwhelmingly, continue to cherish the application of this ancient system of religious totalitarianism, shatters the prevailing, rigidly enforced Western apologetic narrative.
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(n+1)th article on this issue...

....root cause of islamic jihadism....(by Ali Rizvi)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-riz ... =pulsenews
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The rise of anti-Islam right wing activities is happening all across Europe. Not today, but as an underground phenomenon over the past few years
German Neo-Nazi Trial: The victims are classified as Turkish, but I believe that Islamophobia is a significant factor.
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The Bible says "Sow the wind and real the whirlwind"

But why 70 years only?
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The anti-Islam campaign is beginning to gather force in several place across the globe. The 969 campaign in Burma is just one example of what is happening outside Europe. Similar opposition to Islamic practices is beginning to gather steam in parts of Sri lanka for example.

‘969’: The three digits that are terrifying Muslims in Burma
Brightly-coloured posters and stickers bearing the number "969" are popping up in cities all over Burma. These look innocuous enough at first glance. However, “969” actually denotes an anti-Islam campaign led by hardliner Buddhist monks. Burmese Muslims say it has stirred up hatred and paranoia, resulting in a string of bloody anti-Muslim riots across the country over the past weeks.

The three digits ‘969’ originally refer to the Buddha’s “three jewels” , but they are now being used as a brand name for a nationalist, anti-Muslim campaign led by a prominent monk based in Mandalay. Wirathu, who likes to refer to himself as the “Burmese Bin Laden”, was jailed in 2003 for inciting riots against Muslims, but was released as part of a general amnesty in 2012. Since then, he’s spearheaded the fast-growing ‘969’ movement, making numerous speeches calling on Buddhists to “buy 969” and boycott Muslim-owned stores.

Anti-Muslim sentiment has boiled over repeatedly since the ‘969’ campaign first emerged several months ago. In late March, rioters went on a three-day rampage in the central town of Meikhtila, burning down Muslims’ homes, businesses, and mosques. About 40 people were killed. The remnants of Muslim-owned stores were spray-painted with the digits ‘969’. Many witnesses said that during all this, the police stood by and watched. Shortly afterwards, more riots erupted in the Bago region after travelling monks preached the ‘969’ ideology. And early this week, fresh clashes broke out in Oakkan, a town north of Rangoon, where at least one person was killed.
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http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/06/my-we ... el-moyniha
My Week as an E-Jihadist: Michael Moynihan's Cyber-Pilgrimage to Extreme Islam
Over at The Daily Beast, former Reason staffer Michael C. Moynihan writes about spending a week surfing Facebook and the web as an electronic jihadist:My first few days as an e-mujahid were prosaic and predictable. On the innocuous-sounding Facebook group “Islam for Teenagers,” a moderator complained about the baleful influence of Hollywood on Muslim children because “Cinderella comes home at midnight,” “Dumbo gets drunk and hallucinates,” and “Snow White lives with seven guys.” If this was meant as a joke, the commenters missed the humor. Elsewhere, one of my new pals precipitated a discussion on the Prophet’s supernatural intervention into the produce department: the Arabic word “Allah” had been discovered in a bisected piece of fruit.Scrolling across my newsfeed was an image of the World Trade Center towers with the caption: “Twins: I’d Hit It ... With a 747.” This was followed by a marked-up photo of a $20 bill that, it was claimed, revealed the letters J-E-W-S. It was unclear if this was an attempt at humor.For Moynihan, the experience was less about radicalizing jes' plain jihadists and more about desensitizing existing nutjobs to maximum violence:It seemed implausible that the Web had somehow made Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev into jihadists. But it did strike me that the world of online jihad could have had another effect on the Boston bombers: it might well have inured them to violence. The further I crawled down the extremist rabbit hole and the more caved-in skulls and headless corpses I saw, the more I found that my natural revulsion, usually an uncontrollable instinct, was easier to suppress.
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This guy Kunwar Khuldune Shahid is asking for it :mrgreen:

A letter of gratitude to #MuslimahPride social media jihadis
Dear Muslimaat,

I don’t have words to express my gratitude and appreciation for your noble battle against evil. Your #MuslimahPride movement against #Femen was a slap on the collective face of Western imperialists who believe that Muslim women can’t fight for a cause. It was also a resounding reminder for the rest of the world that you have what it takes to spark a revolution. What the ignorant world does not realise is that once you have the permission of your husbands, fathers, brothers, uncles, the approval of your neighbours, in-laws, their relatives and the consent of your spiritual guardians, their God and their scriptures, you can be quite the rebels.
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New jihadi magazine appeals for help against drones
Dard E Drone, Mujahide e Moan
The first issue of the English-language online magazine, called “Azan”, was published on May 5, the SITE intelligence monitoring group said. It compared Azan to “Inspire” magazine, set up by al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP).
In what appeared to be an acknowledgement of the effectiveness of US drone strikes, the magazine said these were affecting the war in the Waziristan tribal areas of Pakistan – where al Qaeda is based along with the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and Afghan Taliban fighters.Devoting a section of the 80-page issue to drones, it said these represented a challenge to the Muslim community, or Ummah.“With the death of so many Muslim assets, this is one of the utmost important issues that the Ummah must unite and come up with an answer to,” said the magazine, which opens with excerpts from speeches from Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Muhammad Omar and late al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.“Any opinions, thoughts, ideas and practical implementations to defeat this drone technology must be communicated to us as early as possible because these would aid the Ummah greatly in its war against the Crusader-Zionist enemy.”Western officials say drone strikes have been highly effective in disrupting the activities of al Qaeda and its allies in the tribal region bordering Afghanistan. Critics object to the secrecy of the drone programme, question its legality and raise concerns about civilian casualties.
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Is Al-Bhikari the most authentic source of Hadeeths?
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Parody Greeting Card Shows Muslim Doll As Terrorist

Truth Stranger Than Fiction
Executive director Ahmed Rehab says the card was brought to his attention by a staff member. The original package shows a doll in traditional Muslim dress. The issue? The photo-shopped version on the card, Rhab says, “basically correlates Muslims and terrorism.” “It’s playing to an ugly ravenous stereotype that suggests that anybody who looks a certain way is a terrorist,” he said.The card maker is from New Jersey and the card itself is being sold all over the country, including at a small stationary store in Chicago’s Lakeview neighborhood. Known for having avant garde and somewhat offensive items, the shop now finding itself the subject of this controversy…“I would urge him to make fun of us, but do it intelligently,” said Rehab. “Humor ought to have even a minimal amount of intelligence but when it lacks all intelligence and is the same kind of message that you would get out a white supremacist group then, it’s not so funny.”
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Is that guy's last name real? Rehab short for rehabilitation?
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it’s not so funny

Now they want to set the standards for sounding funny.....
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Shiites reel at desecration of holy shrine
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BEIRUT: The destruction of a holy Shiite shrine near Damascus and exhumation of the body within, allegedly at the hands of Sunni rebels, was met with fury and condemnation by Shiite leaders across the region Friday.

News of the desecration of the shrine and removal of the body of Hujr bin Uday al-Kindi – one of the Prophet Mohammad’s companions – emerged late Thursday. It further raises the specter of regional sectarian strife as the fighting in Syria increasingly pits Sunni rebels against Alawites, Shiites and other minority loyalist forces.
Wondering these Saudi-funded hardcore Wahabis will do the same to Ajmir Dargah.

A question to gurus, what is the best way to spread this message to Indian shais so that they will know the ugly colors of these Saudis.
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^ No need to worry about Ajmer or anything.

There is the biggest shrine close to arapians in Mecca. They should remove it too for it is blasphemy in Islam to have a shrine, that too with pagan gods hiding in it.
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