Phone, Tablet and Gizmo Thread #0x02

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 28 May 2013 08:54

Raja Bose wrote:^^Real men use miles - deal with it!

.There is way to change the distance measurement from Miles to KM. So figured that out and problem solved.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 28 May 2013 09:16

^^^Only girly men use kilometers! *hides from breaper bumbari*

pradeepe · Post by **pradeepe** » 28 May 2013 09:35

Sachin wrote:
Raja Bose wrote:Endomondo Sports Tracker is a pretty good free app for that on Android.
Thank you!! Installed the tool and did a pilot run. Works wonders . Though the app does not connect well with Facebook, which is not a real problem. Any idea if we can set the distance to be shown in KMs? Currently it shows the distance in Miles.

For the iphunwallas there is an app called "moves" which has got good reviews.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 28 May 2013 15:16

Bad news: LG exec says the company won't make the Nexus 5
Hopefully the next Nexus is not a crippled turd from Sammy like the Galaxy Nexus...AsusTek deserves to get a chance to do a Nexus phone given the excellent job they have done with the Nexus 7 tablet. I guess most likely its just the Motor Oil phone that's gonna be it. One of the big guys heading that effort is a Paki gentlemard.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 28 May 2013 15:45

So finally after a week of convincing SHQ - I bought a oscilloscope! Not some single channel toilet wipe! Not some China-maal that you need to hook up to your laptop. A propah propah scope! Gone are the $1000+ days.
http://www.batronix.com/shop/oscillosco ... 1052E.html

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 28 May 2013 16:14

Main bhi khareedoonga ek din oscilloscope.

I wonder is anyone has here;

1. Bought an HTC one?
2. Upgraded a old, old laptop with an additional SSD in the optical drive bay.
3. Bought and run a 3D printer?

ANyone? Koi mard hai yahan? Ya sab keyboard Jockeys.....

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 28 May 2013 20:22

Raja Bose wrote:Bad news: LG exec says the company won't make the Nexus 5
Hopefully the next Nexus is not a crippled turd from Sammy like the Galaxy Nexus...AsusTek deserves to get a chance to do a Nexus phone given the excellent job they have done with the Nexus 7 tablet. I guess most likely its just the Motor Oil phone that's gonna be it. One of the big guys heading that effort is a Paki gentlemard.

I really hope Sammy gets the next Nexus.

However, it could be Sony or MOTO. Sony is promising to stick with a version of Android that is either stock or very close to it with little or no bloatware.

LG, HTC and RIM will soon be history. In the mean time, Sammy keeps laughing all the way to the bank. Samsung regains top smartphone sales spot from Apple in Q1 2013

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 28 May 2013 20:37

^^^^Its not Sony or any other lowly handset manufacturer's call whether their precious handset gets bloatware or not....muahahahaha.....Sab saale naukar hain carriers ki ghulami ke!

So Sammy despite its huge distribution network, 10 million different smartphone models with allegedly top notch technologies and gimmicks and huge market penetration couldn't overtake FruitCo consistently till now?

tsk tsk

So much for UX is irrelevant, its shoe horning of as much technology crud into the device as possible that counts.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 28 May 2013 20:45

Raja Bose wrote:^^^^Its not Sony or any other lowly handset manufacturer's call whether their precious handset gets bloatware or not....muahahahaha.....Sab saale naukar hain carriers ki ghulami ke!

Yes, but Sony has committed to stock Android and the bloat may be tolerable or possibly removable. Let's see if the Experia series comes to all the carriers in the US. Sony has issues with Sony Pictures (Columbia) and Sony Music (BMG) and it affects their electronics division.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 28 May 2013 20:56

That's what I said Sony's commitment carries as much weight as Ganja Loin promising to root out L-e-T. Without Kiya-nahi's (carriers') blessings no bloatware will disappear unless Chacha negotiates it with them. Unfortunately Chacha guboed regarding that back in 2008 itself and not shown any inclination to change status quo (it doesn't really benefit Chacha anyhow).

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 28 May 2013 21:04

Raja Bose wrote: So Sammy despite its huge distribution network, 10 million different smartphone models with allegedly top notch technologies and gimmicks and huge market penetration couldn't overtake FruitCo consistently till now? tsk tsk So much for UX is irrelevant, its shoe horning of as much technology crud into the device as possible that counts.

Considering where they were in 2010 to now, it is an achievement and besides many people love Sammy's UX.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 28 May 2013 21:12

Raja Bose wrote:That's what I said Sony's commitment carries as much weight as Ganja Loin promising to root out L-e-T. Without Kiya-nahi's (carriers') blessings no bloatware will disappear unless Chacha negotiates it with them. Unfortunately Chacha guboed regarding that back in 2008 itself and not shown any inclination to change status quo (it doesn't really benefit Chacha anyhow).

It does carry some weight as they can make their skin less a PITA than TouchJiz or Sense(less).

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 28 May 2013 21:15

^^^^so despite flooding the market with a million variants and having a TAM about 10x bigger than FruitCo's, Sammy couldn't overtake FruitCo's piddly portfolio of 3 phones (2 of them outdated models) till now?!....tsk tsk.....Sammy is just recycling GB's old playbook with all its inherent deficiencies such as low ASPs. Sammy may sell a gazillion more phones yet FruitCo is reaping the lion's share of the profits.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 28 May 2013 21:35

Raja Bose wrote: Unfortunately Chacha guboed regarding that back in 2008 itself and not shown any inclination to change status quo (it doesn't really benefit Chacha anyhow).

Bloatware is one of the reasons users buy iPhunwa instead of Android. So its removal would benefit Chacha.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 28 May 2013 21:44

This is from the article on iOS7

Jony Ive has inspired the iOS design team to replace many of the linen and leather textures found in iOS, such as in the iPad Calendar app, with flat white and black coloring. For instance, Apple’s Notification Center drop-down panel currently has a dark linen background. In iOS 7, according to people familiar with the software, this design becomes a dark grey/black color with white text.

As we previously reported, the latest iOS 7 builds being tested include new panels for quick access to information. For example, in addition to local weather and stocks information (like as introduced in iOS 5), Apple is testing other widgets for Notification Center. Sources shared examples such as localized news feeds. Additionally, Apple is testing a dedicated, easily-accessible panel for WiFi, Airplane Mode, and Bluetooth toggles.

Additionally, panorama-like wallpapers (images that pan as Home screens are swiped) are also present. This feature makes sense in light of Apple adding panorama photography capabilities to some iOS 6 devices last year. Panorama wallpapers have existed in Google’s Android OS for several years.

Erm, so iOS is becoming Android?

Of course, the fanboi's will find all this "new" stuff revolutionary.

In any case Boseullah, your doubts about Bawarchi should be laid to rest. The revolutionary new iOS7 will start a whole new cycle of crazy sales, soaring Cash reserves and out of control stock price for fruitco.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 28 May 2013 22:17

nachiket wrote:This is from the article on iOS7
Jony Ive has inspired the iOS design team to replace many of the linen and leather textures found in iOS, such as in the iPad Calendar app, with flat white and black coloring. For instance, Apple’s Notification Center drop-down panel currently has a dark linen background. In iOS 7, according to people familiar with the software, this design becomes a dark grey/black color with white text.

As we previously reported, the latest iOS 7 builds being tested include new panels for quick access to information. For example, in addition to local weather and stocks information (like as introduced in iOS 5), Apple is testing other widgets for Notification Center. Sources shared examples such as localized news feeds. Additionally, Apple is testing a dedicated, easily-accessible panel for WiFi, Airplane Mode, and Bluetooth toggles.

Additionally, panorama-like wallpapers (images that pan as Home screens are swiped) are also present. This feature makes sense in light of Apple adding panorama photography capabilities to some iOS 6 devices last year. Panorama wallpapers have existed in Google’s Android OS for several years.
Erm, so iOS is becoming Android?

Of course, the fanboi's will find all this "new" stuff revolutionary.

In any case Boseullah, your doubts about Bawarchi should be laid to rest. The revolutionary new iOS7 will start a whole new cycle of crazy sales, soaring Cash reserves and out of control stock price for fruitco.

Has anyone jailbroken their IoS. Its really worth it as there are many things you can tweak with the IoS that are considered by Apple as not good enough. Besides US courts ruled against Apple when they tried to sue people who jailbroke their IoS.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 28 May 2013 22:23

nachiket wrote:
Raja Bose wrote: Unfortunately Chacha guboed regarding that back in 2008 itself and not shown any inclination to change status quo (it doesn't really benefit Chacha anyhow).
Bloatware is one of the reasons users buy iPhunwa instead of Android. So its removal would benefit Chacha.

For that Chacha has to convince the carriers to allow it. Chacha wants max number of Android devices out there - for that they need carriers' cooperation and if putting in bloatware achieves that, so be it. In terms of bloat I have observed (in order of zero to max bloat on US carriers):

iOS < WP << Android.

Amongst US carriers:

TMo < VZW << ATT.

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Perhaps, Bawarchi is Sammy's only hope that they will triumph over FruitCo once for all.

Something pissed off Yell-G in context of Android, with statements like this coming out:

Looking further down the line, LG wants to reduce its dependance on other companies. Noting that "the current duopoly of Google and Apple is not healthy for the market," Kim said his company would focus on bringing devices running other platforms to the market.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/28/43719 ... smartphone

Add one more device manufacturer to the list of companies who feel the pain of being just a device manufacturer (remember: HW is high-risk, expensive and at max risk of commoditization). If such a trend continues unimpeded, platform vendors like Chacha and Mickey will dhoti shiver and the entire industry will go vertical.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 28 May 2013 23:08

Actually, AAPL has been quietly doing a lot of work behind the scenes. They are now truly designing their own SoCs that aren't just licensed ARM cores, but do their own CPU/GPU. Also, looking at the job postings after antenna gate, AAPL seems to be working on their own power efficient radio chipsets for GSM, CDMA, LTE, WiFi and BT. At least that's what it appears to me and they may break their reliance on QCOM. It means they are really really going vertical. Fix iOS and give us a 5" phone and we'll come back to them.

Here is a dated article: http://semiaccurate.com/2013/01/02/appl ... -increase/

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 28 May 2013 23:14

Who is really left as the big dog in smartphone SoCs except QCOM right now? TI is kaput, Nvidia is a very distant 2nd (can't even be seen with doorbeen). Currently I am evaluating if QCOM is worth a buy.

I like the GB Mix Radio concept which allows downloading of a mix for offline listening (for long airplane rides etc.) - their Bollywood mixes are not bad at all with all major stuff and some not so mainstream stuff available. The earlier Nokia Music was a turd with very few licensing deals with SDREs producers - I wonder what changed so suddenly?!

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 28 May 2013 23:34

^^^Sammy is still big in SoCs - not just fabrication, but full custom as well.

The SoC is only part of the story. You have to be big in SoCs, NoCs and RoCs. It seems AAPL wants to be big in SoCs and RoCs, or at least the circumstantial evidence points to it.

To answer your question about SoCs for CE, Ax-AAPL, SnapDragon-QCOM, Tegra-NVIDA (will be fabed by Sammy or rumor has it), OMAP-TI (shift from CE to automotive), and Atom-Intel. There are a lot of other companies that do custom SoCs, NoCs and RoCs for other industry such as automotive, defense/aerospace, and end products (such as Canon with their DIGIC line for camera DSP and have really raised the bar).

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 29 May 2013 01:03

Hilarious article on Google Glass by Nilay Patel on TheVerge: Using Google Glass: at the Indy 500 and Coca-Cola 600

At one point during the evening Sarah Palin arrived at the hotel and made a smooth, practiced pass through the bar shaking hands and taking photos with a long line of admirers. I stood next to her for several minutes but she wouldn't take a photo with me or wear Glass. "What's in it for us?" asked her husband Todd, staring squarely at the camera and screen floating just above my hazy, bourbon-enhanced eyes. "We don't know what company you're with."

When I told him I wasn't after an endorsement but was rather a journalist interested in her opinion of Glass, he icily asked me to leave.

These Palins are a bunch of uncouth redneck rustics! And people were going to elect these inbred morons to be the VP of US?!

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 29 May 2013 06:13

BAwarchi on D11 today.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 29 May 2013 06:23

Yeah I know....he better provide some juicy hints on what's Cooking @ Apple

Bawarchi D11 interview live blog here: http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/28/appl ... -liveblog/

Meanwhile why are Chacha and Mickey stocks moving up so high based on tickling by anal-e-cysts?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 29 May 2013 08:05

^^^Notice how AAPL has picked up former EPA head Lisa Jackson, Chemical Engineer from Princeton, for environmental issues. Looks like AAPL under Cook is learning from the other companies about hiring former government heads and executives to prominent positions. This helps the company grease the skids of government. Jobs didn't do this, but GOOG and MSFT have spent tens of millions each year in lobbying congress and executive branches of government, so Cook is following a pattern. This will help keep any anti-trust action off their backs. The defense and aerospace industry are notorious for picking up former high ranking military and lobbying government.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 29 May 2013 09:42

Lisa Jackson will keep the tree huggers off FruitCo's back, not the anti-trust wallahs. Mickey has always been politically active since the days of billg and Chacha is now actually #1 when it comes to spending on political lobbying. When one looks at the amount of information on the world's citizens that is owned and stored by the combo of Chacha, Teetar and FB its scary how much leverage the US govt has in times of war. On top of that companies like ChipZ, Mickey are defense contractors for US govt and control the vast majority of processors and software in the world. Who in the world has aukaat to take takkar with GOTUS hain ji unless they are already living in the stone age like the Pakis?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 29 May 2013 13:52

Raja Bose wrote: So Sammy despite its huge distribution network, 10 million different smartphone models with allegedly top notch technologies and gimmicks and huge market penetration couldn't overtake FruitCo consistently till now? tsk tsk So much for UX is irrelevant, its shoe horning of as much technology crud into the device as possible that counts.

Point is, through whatever means, deal making, component sourcing, component design, investment in R&D (yes R&D), marketing, splashy events and 10,000 models Sammy has overtaken FruitCo in smartphones shipped. Neither traditional phone companies like Nokia or Motorola did it, nor did traditional PC companies like Dell/HP/Lenovo did it. So they must be doing something right. Somehow for whatever reason users are not buying magical pixie dust coated offerings of other companies but buying "turds" from Sammy.

By the way:

Apparently after 1 million vendors selling 10 million types of PCs, combined they are nowhere near FruitCo in profits. So seems Sammy did better in mobiles than what PC makers did in PCs -- and that is not counting tablets. Apparently nobody in the Music player, PC, tablet or Mobile industry seems to have competed well with FruitCo except Sammy.

Look at it the other way: what prevents FruitCo from introducing 10 million different smartphone models? It is certainly not against their modus operandi. Count the number of ipod models they have introduced over the years in various pricepoints and functionalities. There is one without a screen, one with a screen but without a touch screen, one with a touchscreen, one with a wheel and harddisk and each one of them has 3 generations! And every generation has a different shape!

And meanwhile, apparently the turd from Sammy has a fantastic camera: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-575860 ... mera-test/

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 29 May 2013 14:38

@mahadevbhu - I've installed a 256GB Samsung 830 into a 4 year old Acer Timeline at SHQ's office. Boom!

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 29 May 2013 15:02

As I type, this is being written from a 375$ Samsung Princeton which I bought in October 2011 from Staples. This has an i3 2357ULV , 4GB RAM.

Came with 320 GB HDD. I just migrated to a 250 GB SSD.

As you said, Boom !

I am going to order another , smaller SSD , of 60GB, and install it in my year 2007, Lenovo/IBM Thinkpad Z61T {That T is for titanium....yes, they do not build laptops today, like they did then

}

That would cost me, maybe 3500 Rs from flipkart.com. Probably a good investment. I don't like to throw my old laptops away, even though I can afford new ones. That one has 3GB RAM, 750GB HDD, etc...and is kind of my repository for stuff. I just took it apart yesterday, and I marveled at the solidity of the construction, the use of a proper aluminum chassis, and the general build quality. That's a desktop right there now.

Cheers folks.

negi · Post by **negi** » 29 May 2013 15:09

^2006-07 was the year when IBM handed over it's lappy business to Lenovo, I think T60 was the last one in T series to be built by IBM after that T61 onwards it has been lenovo. I still have my T60 and it works fine.

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 29 May 2013 16:10

Negi moshai, it was 2004-05.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 29 May 2013 17:09

Raja Bose wrote:Lisa Jackson will keep the tree huggers off FruitCo's back, not the anti-trust wallahs. Mickey has always been politically active since the days of billg and Chacha is now actually #1 when it comes to spending on political lobbying. When one looks at the amount of information on the world's citizens that is owned and stored by the combo of Chacha, Teetar and FB its scary how much leverage the US govt has in times of war. On top of that companies like ChipZ, Mickey are defense contractors for US govt and control the vast majority of processors and software in the world. Who in the world has aukaat to take takkar with GOTUS hain ji unless they are already living in the stone age like the Pakis?

I meant the lobbying will help keep anti-trust off their backs. Gates got slammed in the 90s and learned his lesson, as did the others, except Jobs didn't want to do this. Now Cook has ramped up spending on lobbying.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 29 May 2013 18:09

Anujan wrote:
Point is, through whatever means, deal making, component sourcing, component design, investment in R&D (yes R&D), marketing, splashy events and 10,000 models Sammy has overtaken FruitCo in smartphones shipped. Neither traditional phone companies like Nokia or Motorola did it, nor did traditional PC companies like Dell/HP/Lenovo did it.

Funny you should mention those 2 companies becoz they dominated in their days doing exactly what Sammy has done. So its not a question of whether Sammy is doing something right but rather what exactly are they doing which protects them from the downside risk that both Nokia and Motorola faced - I for one don't see any difference in their current trends vs the trend followed by other such companies historically (Motorola, Nokia). And the very fact that it took so long for Sammy to gain an upper hand from Apple despite much higher market penetration, range of models, what-not shows how fragile that approach is and that is no surprise becoz historically it has been so - the mobile device industry didn't start 5 years ago after all. On top of that despite those millions of models and gazillions of sales the profit share is still fairly lopsided after all these years. Also consider the RoI for Sammy - how much capital did they have to invest to get the profit they are getting now vs FruitCo (even if you discount NREs such as R&D cost, manufacturing setup costs ityadi). Those are telling indicators. When smartphones reach the kind of HW stablility as the PC market you will see the same type of behavior as you see in the PC market charts when it comes to profit share. The PC market is purely a cost/pricing play now and the Windows has ensured that (great for Mickey, not-so-great for the Dells, Yech-Pees and Lenovos hain ji). Smartphones are getting there unless something else disrupts the current trends so once it does then you can do an apples-to-apples comparison but not yet - the inevitable commoditization of HW onlee!

Now considering commoditization of HW, if you look at the charts for profit share in the PC industry guess whose profit keeps growing YoY? Its Mickey the platform vendor, not the poor HW manufacturers. The only HW manufacturer whose profit is super solid is FruitCo who has gone vertical. So going forward Sammy can ensure it doesn't meet the typical HW manufacturer's fate in smartphones by going vertical. For that it has to seriously develop and push stuff like Tizen and reduce its dependency for apps and services on platform vendors like Chacha (and/or Mickey if they ever get around to doing a major push on Windows phones).

Anujan wrote: Look at it the other way: what prevents FruitCo from introducing 10 million different smartphone models? It is certainly not against their modus operandi. Count the number of ipod models they have introduced over the years in various pricepoints and functionalities. There is one without a screen, one with a screen but without a touch screen, one with a touchscreen, one with a wheel and harddisk and each one of them has 3 generations! And every generation has a different shape!

It is actually against their modus operandi. The iPhone/iPad are not closed limited functionality devices like the iPod (ok comparatively speaking

) so FruitCo will not do a million variants unless someone in their management blinks and panics. And even if one looks at the iPods each model is fairly different from the others so while they are marketed as "iPods" they are essentially totally different devices when it comes to the HW and SW (touch vs nano vs shuffle etc.). But a lot of Sammy's phone variants only have minor differentiation amongst themselves just like how GB's Symbian line-up used to be like.

Anujan wrote: And meanwhile, apparently the turd from Sammy has a fantastic camera: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-575860 ... mera-test/

I never understood for the life of me how reviewers would claim with a straight face that the iPhone has a fantastic camera. Every iPhone I have used all the way till the current iPhone5 have a horrible camera - somehow the Mahdi convinced folks that pixie dust made the turd revolutionary. The S4's camera is decent but hardly great or fantastic when compared with some of the other flagships out there.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 29 May 2013 20:34

RB,

I see Sammy closer to MOTO in its hey day rather than NOK because Sammy is an electronics company first and less a mobile communications company. Right now, Sammy has hitched its wagon to Android, but if they see WP becoming prominent, they will jump to it and explore their own OS and at the same time push their services. MOTO is going to have a near death experience; and NOK is still losing money, but may turn it around with WP even though they are hedging their bets with Asha. Sammy on the other hand, even if it is out of the hand set business, still makes a bunch of other CE items and components. Sammy is very big in display panels and semiconductors (larger than QCOM and smaller than INTEL), so any direct analogy to NOK or MOTO is IMHO not accurate.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 29 May 2013 20:39

I am comparing Sammy's mobile phone and smartphone divisions onlee which are comparable to GB and Motorola. Sammy is much larger than CE so it doesn't make sense to look at them as a monolithic company...heck,they even make self propelled arty and assemble F-16s. In that context they can only be compared with certain Japanese companies.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 29 May 2013 20:58

Iphone5 does have a great camera. It is not just unicorn tears coated lens and sensors. They do several computational photography techniques like shoot several pictures and combine them transparently without the user noticing etc.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 29 May 2013 21:17

The S4 camera is apparently not that bad even compared to that of the HTC One. Here is one detailed comparison in different conditions: http://www.androidcentral.com/megapixel ... a-shootout

The HTC One's camera is king of low light due to the large pixels, but the S4's camera does better in most other areas.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 29 May 2013 21:38

Raja Bose wrote:I am comparing Sammy's mobile phone and smartphone divisions onlee which are comparable to GB and Motorola. Sammy is much larger than CE so it doesn't make sense to look at them as a monolithic company...heck,they even make self propelled arty and assemble F-16s. In that context they can only be compared with certain Japanese companies.

The mobile phone division is part of Samsung Electronics. It is not a separate company out side of Samsung Electronics. Both Nokia and Motorola were also large companies and at one point the mobile communications division were part of the larger company, but they were separated out in the past. Your analogy would be correct if Samsung Electronics separates the mobile phone division, but there is no indication of it.
Samsung parent company is like LG and Hyundai which are Korean Chaebols (conglomerates). If LG decides to get out of mobile communications business, the LG Electronics division still makes TVs, ACs, fridges/washers/dryers and would be profitable. My guess is that LG Electronics will dump their mobile phone business in the next couple of years as it's causing them losses.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 29 May 2013 22:15

Raja Bose wrote:So its not a question of whether Sammy is doing something right but rather what exactly are they doing which protects them from the downside risk that both Nokia and Motorola faced - I for one don't see any difference in their current trends vs the trend followed by other such companies historically (Motorola, Nokia).

Isn't GB doing the same again? Release a tonne of models. Will it develop Asha into a full fledged OS to replace WP eventually?
Or will it be a part of Tizen? It has some parts of the eco system in place if it decides to go vertical like Nokia Music, maps. So far it has its superior build quality and imaging differentiating it from other vendors, but how long will it be able to stay in front in those departments? The cost of going vertical is also high. The losses if you cannot gather a good sized pie of the market is way higher than just being a hard ware vendor.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 29 May 2013 22:26

^^^Yes, multiple exposures and High Dynamic Range (HDR) capability.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 29 May 2013 23:25

Anujan wrote:Iphone5 does have a great camera. It is not just unicorn tears coated lens and sensors. They do several computational photography techniques like shoot several pictures and combine them transparently without the user noticing etc.

Every top end smartphone camera assembly does that - nothing special there. The state of the art has moved on.

Plus piling software on top of poor camera hw can only take you so far.