Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 09 Jun 2013 09:39

Mr. Advani's blog may be updated by someone else, but that somebody feels fit to post an update today, that too about a movie.

http://blog.lkadvani.in/blog-in-english ... erful-film

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 09 Jun 2013 10:20

harbans wrote:
If Advani is doing all those machinations for the rise of Modi, then all kudos to him.
If anyone does think so, then he/she/it has got to get something between their ears checked.

There is nothing wrong with them, they are practitioners of super-Chanakyaness onlee.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 09 Jun 2013 11:38

May be Vajpayee himself may show up in Goa! Just a hunch!

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 09 Jun 2013 12:27

Anyone following the press conference live?

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 09 Jun 2013 12:29

saravana wrote:Mr. Advani's blog may be updated by someone else, but that somebody feels fit to post an update today, that too about a movie.

http://blog.lkadvani.in/blog-in-english ... erful-film

This is what his blog contains today:

The story is about a meeting Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini had during the Second World War, in which Hitler tells the Italian Supremo that the sins committed by the two of them would prove very costly for them after death. When Mussolini said to his friend that so far as he was concerned when his own end came he would go to the Vatican and seek help from the Pope who is believed to have a Pass for Heaven. Hitler asked him to commend to the Pope his name also. This anecdote is accompanied by a demonstrative exercise with a pair of scissors, and a sheet of paper, in which the story ends up with both the two Fascist leaders landing in Hell, and only the Pope reaching Heaven.

Advani clearly does not have the mental faculties or IQ at this age to be able to judge how his ramblings would be twisted by the media or the potential impact on BJP electoral prospects....He must be immediately removed from any kind of decision-making position within the party.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 09 Jun 2013 12:48

^^ could not agree more. The reason being India has paid anti national mafia.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Jun 2013 13:21

Digvijaya Singh says his heart goes out to Advani, calls BJP ungrateful

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 09 Jun 2013 13:25

Times Now ticker claiming NaMo has been declared Convenor of Campaign Committee! So LKA gets his way?

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 09 Jun 2013 13:28

^^ conflicting reports. some say chief, some say convenor. Official announcement anyway in a short while.
EDIT: NDTV ,IBN times now headlines today, calls chief/chairman

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 09 Jun 2013 13:32

Named Chairman of Campaign committee..

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 09 Jun 2013 13:33

Narendra Modi has been declared Chairman of the Campaign Committee by Rajnath Singh in front of the BJP's National Executive Meeting.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 09 Jun 2013 13:35

'Modi' era begins: Narendra Modi is the new head of the BJP campaign committee

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 09 Jun 2013 13:36

Phew! The bugle has been sounded! Lot of sekoolar shalwars be browning as we speak.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 09 Jun 2013 13:44

Ok, so I told you so. The only pity is LKA could not be there. Would have been better.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 09 Jun 2013 13:49

Yes the Modi Era begins!

Modi would have to now put LK Advani at ease.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 09 Jun 2013 13:52

Its official: Modi named head of 2014 Poll campaign

Blow to Modi, obviously. But beyond that, what are the implications? Does chairman of this committee have a veto on ticket distribution? Is the quid pro quo that the rest of committee be 'sekular' to counterbalance namo? time will tell of course. Tab tak, ensoi...

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 09 Jun 2013 13:53

^^ rumours on twitter say that NaMo is flying to Delhi to meet LKA.

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 09 Jun 2013 13:54

Bharatavarshaye Namo Namaha!

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 09 Jun 2013 13:58

saravana wrote:^^ rumours on twitter say that NaMo is flying to Delhi to meet LKA.

The plan was for BJP cadre to chose NaMo without LKA;s presence, and for LKA to come by and bless NaMo. It seems he was really unwell, so the blessing would have to happen in New Delhi.

BTW, this event was planned AT LEAST, 3 months back. When LKA and NaMo had met for over an hour at his residence.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 09 Jun 2013 14:00

Badhai-ees to Modi ji,

'Chairman' yes 'Chairman' is the word used my Shri Rajnath Singh, so its final.

Karyakartaas are shouting the slogans "Desh ka Neta Kaisa ho? Narendra Modi Jaisa Ho!"

I remember the slogans "Raajtilak ki hui tyaari, Aage badho Atal Bihari" , used to send goosebumps all over the body, a rush of energy. Jubilation everywhere!!!

A request to Jhujar bhrajee, we need a fresh slogan like that on this Yug Parivartan, please oblige.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 09 Jun 2013 14:05

krisna wrote:Atriji posts have some put of the box thinking ideas. Seems to have seen the big picture.
Whether by design or deceit, LKA seems destined to behave as predicted by Atriji.

Hope he takes all the more muck till the remaining weeks/months and shield NaMo as long as it takes.

For his services, can be made president after pranabda has completed his term.

Everyone standing against Modi are using LKA as a bogeyman. It helps Modi because it tells him and us clearly who could stick a knife in the back.

The silence of Advani is even better because its forcing the Jaichands within BJP to take a stand. The one thing remains very clear is these Jaichands will not have a major role in the future irrespective of NDA in power or not.

Just look how Swaraj and Uma came crawling back into the meeting in Goa after delaying tactics. Perhaps they too can see the writing on the wall.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 09 Jun 2013 14:06

SwamyG wrote:All kewl onlee. I have no ill towards Advani. If Advani is doing all those machinations for the rise of Modi, then all kudos to him. But if Advani is playing politics for his ambition or his protege's ambitions, sadly BJP would have to force him to retire. It is politics, and there is no good or evil per se, baring some universal/human values that all politicians are expected to adhere - but probably don't.

Swamy ji,

Exactly my point. You see, in the quest if seeing NM at top job we really do not need to curse LKA (criticism is different than curse). Inly saying ," NM for PM" in louder voice and in unison will do the trick. Cursing LKA, calling him names by BJP supporters and overenthusiats within NM supporters creates a bad image and gives INC and their PAIDMEDIA a chance to denigrate BJP in particular and whole PIF forces in general.

Instead of taking baits from anyone, I really like how NM handled this matter and so did mist if the real leaders within BJP. They supported NM and thats it. Whatever was planned materialized anyway. But it did at the cost of LKA getting the bad name. If LKA's statements were baiting, sekoolars within and without took the hook in their mouths and displayed heartburns. Why should BjP supporters share this? And demonstrations and egg-pelting at LkA's residence was totally uncool.

There ready are jigs being circulated widely on internet comparing NM with Aurangzeb and LKA with Shahjehan. This was totally avoidable. That is all I was saying.

Regarding LKA's behavior you are right I am speculating onlee. Do not claim any inside informartion. Krishna ji said it beautifully - whether by design or deciet LKA has donned soosai vest and purging BJP of asuras. Having seen the man closely in early 90s I would like to believe it is by design.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 09 Jun 2013 14:07

Sanku wrote:
saravana wrote:^^ rumours on twitter say that NaMo is flying to Delhi to meet LKA.
The plan was for BJP cadre to chose NaMo without LKA;s presence, and for LKA to come by and bless NaMo. It seems he was really unwell, so the blessing would have to happen in New Delhi.

BTW, this event was planned AT LEAST, 3 months back. When LKA and NaMo had met for over an hour at his residence.

I belive you sanku

(blowing my own sanku)

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 09 Jun 2013 14:08

Only only on ABP news they're showing direct telecast of swaagat of Shri Modi, please watch whoever can.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 09 Jun 2013 14:11

Sanku wrote:
saravana wrote:^^ rumours on twitter say that NaMo is flying to Delhi to meet LKA.
The plan was for BJP cadre to chose NaMo without LKA;s presence, and for LKA to come by and bless NaMo. It seems he was really unwell, so the blessing would have to happen in New Delhi.

BTW, this event was planned AT LEAST, 3 months back. When LKA and NaMo had met for over an hour at his residence.

I really wish people resolve the differences or there were no difference in the first place because the battle is bigger than any of them. Feeling a ray of hope for the first time in years.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 09 Jun 2013 14:21

UUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooooo !!!!

I wrote to Meenakshi Lekhi day before yesterday on email:

Meenakshi ji namaskar,

Although we have decided never to write suggestions or criticism to BJP policies, but just provide info that might help you to counter anti-nationals across the board.

But this incident is too much.

How can media be allowed to make such an issue of Advani ji's illness. Of course media can be understood but how can BJP spokespersons are entertaining them and giving safai to these media jokers? When Sonia Gandhi goes to america this very media respects her privacy, nobody questions does she really have cancer OR not.

Now one can see the same media creating this circus around illness of BJP leaders, calling it 'Namonia' and all sorts of stupid names, while BJP spokespersons are coming across very timid, almost speaking placatingly to Mainsteam Media instead of pointing out their different way of treating the illness of 'Sonia Gandhi' vs 'Advani ji'!

Although I admit you do not owe any explanation to me as I'm not a BJP member, but just associated with various think-tanks like :

Bharat-rakshak.com
India-forum.com
Rajiv Malhotra's forums

Best Regards
Manish

And she has just now on ABP news SLAPPEd the red part on ConMedia's face. Jai Ho !!!

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 09 Jun 2013 14:41

Finally! After such a long shadow games, finally!
Jai ho...

Now, here is what I think happened...

Loh Purush did not want NaMo to become the chairman of election committee. He proposed separate committees for assembly and loksabha. He was desperate enough to propose Gadkari(even though Loh Purush was the one who played decisive role in ousting Gadkari from the position of party position just a short time back). Why did Loh Purush do this? What was his strategy?

BJP is expected to do well in these assembly polls. If NaMo is the chairperson of the election committee during these polls and BJP does really well, then NaMo's claim on PM nomination becomes difficult to thwart for the Loh Purush. So, he was keen that NaMo should not be the one to get the credit. But, he failed.

He decided to absent himself. He sent some of his acolytes. Some of his acolytes also absented. I think the game plan was to postpone the decision sighting the absence of 'tall leader'. Indeed, that may have happened. BUT, RSS stepped in. (Kudos to RSS for doing the right thing at right time).

Once RSS stepped in support of NaMo. Loh Purush faction was weakened.

Now, if NaMo gets to monitor the ticket distribution, many of the acolytes(mostly people with no mass base) will not be able to get tickets. These are the ones doing all the halla gulla in media against NaMo.

Loh Purush was one last card to play: i.e. he will hope(and perhaps actively work) to limit BJP to around 160-170. In such case, he may be hoping to emerge as a consensus candidate. NaMo would need BJP to get more than 180(and he has the capability to do that).

But, the problem for Loh Purush is that if NaMo monitors the ticket distribution, he will cut out the Loh Purush acolytes and encourage his own faction. That means, post-election, people picked by NaMo cannot be depended upon by Loh Purush even if BJP falls short by some seats. That is the real khujli for Loh Purush. I think Loh Purush will continue to play spoilsport just like Keshubhai. The only difference is that he will remain within the party and try to do the damage.

Anyway, NaMo is unstoppable...

Loh Purush should have shown statesmanship and himself transferred the baton. Instead, he chose to show pettiness. I think Loh Purush wants to be remembered by the history books. So, he wants to be PM. Maybe, he should have been projected as president candidate.

I think what really forced the Loh Purush faction to compromise is the protests outside his house. Thumbs up to whoever did that and it was about time too.

Now its clear that Loh Purush was behind the antics of Nitis Babu. This is typical style of Loh Purush. He always shoots from others' shoulders. As soon as, the spotlight was directly on Loh Purush, it was an indicator that this was an endgame. It is a pity to watch the Loh Purush stoop to such pettiness. The same man had literally created an alternative to Kongis by breaking their monopoly at national level. Before this man, Kongis had complete monopoly. He broke it and broke it in style. He was the one who stuck by Hindutva and even groomed(or supported or protected) many budding guys(including NaMo). He had truly changed the landscape of Indian polity. But, that was then. Now, he is in cohoots with the kongis to damage his own party. He is desperately trying to stop the people favourite NaMo from getting his rightful chance.

Poor Nitis fell in the trap of MSM and Loh Purush. Now, his own govt. is in danger. Laloo was given a new breather. Otherwise, Laloo's party would be been dead and burnt. Of course, Nitis still has the chance to remedy the situation. In fact, Nitis may even benefit from NaMo wave in assembly elections.

Notice that Ganga valley leaders are getting jumpy about NaMo. Many of these guys fell behind the Loh Purush. Meanwhile, there seems to be a silent wave in Ganga valley for NaMo among the masses.

SS was the main person behind the decision of BJP supporting Telangana. Now that their faction has been cut down to size and may soon be relegated to dustbin, it would be interesting to see the policy of BJP on small states. Remember, there is potential separate saurashtra thingy. Also, under NaMo, BJP may aim at entire states with development and hindutva as the agenda instead of depending on sub-regionalism.

Under Loh Purush and Bajpayee, BJP gave up its Hindutva(as soon as it came to power) and started depending on fanning separatist movements to remain relevant. And BJP started following the model of Kongis i.e. dilli billi culture.

With the advent of NaMo, all that may change. Lets celebrate the new beginning.

I think NaMo will become PM. He has it in him. Baba Ramdev says that BJP can get 300 under NaMo. Maybe not 300, but 220 - 250 is a realistic possibility, specially if there is a silent wave in UP.

For now,
NaMo Namah
Jai Ho...

Sanku wrote:
saravana wrote:^^ rumours on twitter say that NaMo is flying to Delhi to meet LKA.
The plan was for BJP cadre to chose NaMo without LKA;s presence, and for LKA to come by and bless NaMo. It seems he was really unwell, so the blessing would have to happen in New Delhi.

BTW, this event was planned AT LEAST, 3 months back. When LKA and NaMo had met for over an hour at his residence.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 09 Jun 2013 14:54

rohitv · Post by **rohitv** » 09 Jun 2013 15:00

Manish_Sharma wrote: And she has just now on ABP news SLAPPEd the red part on ConMedia's face. Jai Ho !!!

She just said it again on Times Now!!

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 09 Jun 2013 15:01

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 09 Jun 2013 15:06

Namo saar, now that you are in the saddle, kindly boot out this useless vijay goel as CM candidate in delhi.... Dr Harshvardhan is the way better choice.

Actually no appointing anymore please, a more formal primaries-like process that takes into account the voice of the cadre is crucial.

rohitv · Post by **rohitv** » 09 Jun 2013 15:07

Meenakshi Lekihi put that clown from PDP (or NC) in place. Talks about kashmiri hindus getting thrown out from kashmir.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 09 Jun 2013 15:19

What's next - can ex-bjp mass-leaders like yeddy and babulal marandi be wooed back? just thinking aloud.

BTW from twitter...

>>@FCBtheChamps Sources: Anandiben Patel to be soon appointed as Dy. CM of Gujarat.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 09 Jun 2013 15:19

Sushupti wrote:

Thank you Sushupti ji.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 09 Jun 2013 15:20

rohitv wrote:
Manish_Sharma wrote: And she has just now on ABP news SLAPPEd the red part on ConMedia's face. Jai Ho !!!
She just said it again on Times Now!!

Excellent job Manish ji!! Great going.

James B · Post by **James B** » 09 Jun 2013 15:38

MSM have their panties in a twist.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 09 Jun 2013 16:01

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 09 Jun 2013 16:07

If there’s no breaking news, break the news

The day began with wild speculation over LK Advani’s absence at Friday’s meeting. Once again, the media chose to speculate on his absence without bothering to check with his office or family as to why he had not travelled to Goa ahead of the National Executive meeting. Had reporters done their basic homework they would have known Advani was unwell and unable to travel. At his age, this should not have come as a surprise. But nobody did a fact check because that would have killed a story manufactured with great effort.

Witness the manner in which Narendra Modi is demonised as a politician who ‘polarises’ — since when has politics been devoid of polarisation? — and who won’t be able to attract allies. In the same breath, those who mocked at Atal Bihari Vajpayee through 1996 and 1998, praise him and seek to elevate LK Advani to a stature they have insisted on denying him all these years.

The dishonesty is truly stark and stunning. It’s moral dishonesty and it’s intellectual dishonesty. You can’t like Advani and dislike Modi, just as you can’t like Vajpayee and dislike the BJP. These are not identities that are independent of each other. Nor are they individuals who can be de-linked from the party and the ideology they represent. But who is to tell the commentariat so? Smug and secure in the conviction that they shall never be confronted by those who know better, they continue to play Bible-thumpers.

sums up the congis pressittutes attitude.

nice article.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 09 Jun 2013 16:31

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 09 Jun 2013 16:34

The dishonesty is truly stark and stunning. It’s moral dishonesty and it’s intellectual dishonesty. You can’t like Advani and dislike Modi, just as you can’t like Vajpayee and dislike the BJP. These are not identities that are independent of each other. Nor are they individuals who can be de-linked from the party and the ideology they represent.

So true.